100% fuel for all!

[Sandy1942]

In real war all planes fuelled completely. In missions on the ATAG server level of fuel is defined by the player. For realism: to include to ALL planes of 100% of fuel. It will be honest!

[♣_Spiritus_♣]

I know this is a different era but on FARPs we would fuel up birds to whatever the stick wiggler requested, often times 3/4 of a tank for both rotary and VTOL. I think the refuel options are good.

[III./ZG76_Keller]

stick wiggler

That's awesome, never heard that one before!

[ATAG_Lewis]

Did aircraft really fill up 100% even if a mission would take 20%?..I mean the Blennie takes 20% will fly all day....easily to its objective in Normandy and back....I haven't heard this before but it doesn't make sense if the extra fuel will slow you down so much ....I mean 80% extra fuel for no reason seems a bit extreme to me....

[Bear Pilot]

I just finished David Baker's autobiography of Galland and somewhere in there it mentioned the 109's during the BoB taking full fuel all the time if they were going in to combat. Now, the 109 was operating at the end of it's combat radius but if I remember correctly, and that is a big if, the same applied to escorting Stukas to convoys. Still that would be a fairly lengthy flight for an Emil with no drop tank.

I think the standard protocol for Spitfires and Hurricanes was also a full tank if combat was at all expected or flying in insecure airspace. I think the thought for all sides concerned is it would be a damn shame for a pilot to be shot down because he runs out of gas if he doesn't have to. Combat drains fuel exponentially faster than cruising.

Also, it's important to remember that often raids across the channel were made up of hundreds of aircraft. Rarely does the average CloD aviator fly in formations of squadron strength let alone wing/gruppe numbers. It all takes time and time in the air takes fuel. So their limited range was already less than ours as they headed across the channel.

So I think there is definitely some credence to the OP's claim. However, I can't speak on the German bombers of the period although, as already mentioned, they were making much longer flights than we do and flying in larger numbers.

Personally, I don't feel a huge difference between 100% and say 30-40%. Yes there are vengeance-filled situations when 10% fuel to get the guy who just strafed you on approach can help with acceleration. I fly with a full tank because BnZ tactics negate the extra weight as long as I retain my E, I make a point of RTBing somewhere between 50-100L (25% or less) depending on my position, and often by the time I get into combat I'm at 75% anyway and on more than one occasion my fuel tank has been hit and had I taken any less fuel I would not have made it back without making a dead stick landing. Also, it's what the real 109 pilots flew with.

In regards to actually implementing it, in my opinion the headaches it will cause to admins on a public server just aren't worth the effort. On a public server I think choice is imperative to keeping numbers. I can see something like this being implemented in a campaign or something to that standard.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

The fuel consumption for various aircraft is something we will be looking at for TF 5.0.

Right now, the vanilla consumption rates in the game are probably not accurate... thus people can get away with loading far less than pilots would take in reality.

This is especially the case with Fighters... not so much Bombers... some Bomber types would regularly load less than 100% fuel on shorter range missions in order to carry more bombs. However, loading 25% is not realistic.

Anyway we hope to have it sorted for the next release.

[Incog]

Buzzsaw, where does all this dedication come from?

[EG14_Marcast]

.. some Bomber types would regularly load less than 100% fuel on shorter range missions in order to carry more bombs. However, loading 25% is not realistic.

In fact, it looks a bit strange to me that loading 35% fuel on a He111 I can fly from Caen to Portsmouth and back and still keep half tank...I think I could get to Norway with full tank

[ATAG_Lewis]

Buzzsaw, where does all this dedication come from?

Some of us have a hypothesis from the evidence we have collected on this subject....Some of us are pretty convinced that Buzz doesn't know what dedication means.........We actually believe Buzz is a new breed of master computer based somewhere in the US....Man. just take a look at his collection of avaition graphs...There's no way your telling me that any human understands those things!

[Skoshi_Tiger]

With the game version of the Blenheim if you try to take 100% fuel and a full bomb load you become overloaded. (Don't know about the real aircraft). I doubt they would try to take off above MTW unless it could be avoided.

[9./JG52 Ziegler]

Back then in a fighter, one would always take full fuel if possible. They would rather jettison than not have it onboard. Bombers were a different story and depended on the mission. Today fuel load is dependent on take off weight as SM stated. Personally in game, I always take 100% because I cannot tell any difference in performance by taking less.

[Incog]

Some of us have a hypothesis from the evidence we have collected on this subject....Some of us are pretty convinced that Buzz doesn't know what dedication means.........We actually believe Buzz is a new breed of master computer based somewhere in the US....Man. just take a look at his collection of avaition graphs...There's no way your telling me that any human understands those things!

it makes sense all of a sudden.

amazing how just changing your perspective and expanding the borders of what's "possible" suddenly opens one up to an amazing understand of what's really going on in this world.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Actually I am a lazy slob like everybody else... I just like playing good flight sims and was lucky enough to become involved in something that just grew and grew.

There are many more talented and hard working members of the team than me.

Right now I am taking a long rest from modding to catch up with real life chores and relax.

[ATAG_Colander]

I am taking a long rest from modding to catch up with real life chores and relax.

Just like your avatar

(and I'm just like mine)

[ATAG_Lewis]

Just like your avatar

(and I'm just like mine)

Col..I really do hope...and for your sake more than ours..that you are nothing like your avatar!!

[AKA_Recon]

Flew some missions on 401 server, and 100% in a Spitfire will get you back to base with a drop left after an escort of bombers and a tad bit of hunting, we have to go easy at alt or we won't finish the mission

[LuseKofte]

I think he meant the Fighters, Bombers got fuel tanks adapted to their bomb bay most of them anyways, but I am not sure this was done in the BOB campaign. If you read up on how it worked , Firstly you read about fuelcapasity and then bomb load capacity service ceiling endurance all this kind of things.
The JU 88 did not ever use full capacity of bombs, In russia the used one of their bomb bays for a fuel tank to get greater range, to increase it further they reduced the bomb load.
When you think of it how stupid it was building this aircraft as a dive-bomber , at least all of them. I wonder how much lighter it could have been if it was not.
So I am afraid you need to be more specific. If you meant fighters I think you are right, Bombers No. They fueled it and loaded it for mission at hand.

[VII.Racetrack]

Did aircraft really fill up 100% even if a mission would take 20%?..I mean the Blennie takes 20% will fly all day....easily to its objective in Normandy and back....I haven't heard this before but it doesn't make sense if the extra fuel will slow you down so much ....I mean 80% extra fuel for no reason seems a bit extreme to me....

Agree! Because even if by chance the plane will been shot down... 80% Unused fuel would be lost for no reason... And fuel IT IS important almost as pilots.....