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    July 2014 update

    from ED forum:
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    Dear all,

    In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable. However, the restructured system still provides an excellent value for your backing contribution. For example: each aircraft will retail at $49.99; however, you will receive the item instead at only $20.00. This is in addition to other items such as the Normandy map ($20 contribution and above) and other perks as the backing contribution level rises.

    We also feel this new system dramatically reduces the chance of reward delivery confusion and delays.

    As software deliverables (aircraft and map keys) are ready for release, keys will be sent to backers based on their contribution level. Physical items like shirts, hats, etc. will be sent when the entire DCS: World War II: Europe 1944 project is complete per deliverable items stated in the rewards list at the bottom of this update.

    Per the update last week, we are pushing hard to deliver the originally planned aircraft and assets as fast as we can. Because we have additional staff assigned to this effort, this will accelerate the process and dramatically lessen the impact on our other projects (insert: “where is my Hornet?!” comments).

    Our ultimate goal is to create a unique battlefield environment within DCS World that is specifically tailored to Second World War air combat. This is a combination of the period aircraft, maps, navigation, communications, and objects that creates a total experience. DCS World is designed to encompass multiple time period and locations, and we see this as a keystone endeavor for just one slice of DCS World.

    As each part of DCS: World War II: Europe 1944 is created (aircraft and map), we will release it as a unique DCS World module (like we are currently preparing DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora for). Backers will get each part based on their contribution level. When all the pieces are done, we will create a bundle package that puts them all together in a single download / boxed purchase. In other words, there will be no separate installation that runs outside of DCS World. That would defeat the primary goal of DCS World.

    As we get closer to the launch of DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora in August 2014, we are working on a mechanism to provide an Alpha copy to $40 and up contributors.

    DCS World War II: Europe 1944 Backer Rewards:

    $1-19
    Bronze Backer credit in manuals

    $20
    Bronze Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map

    $40
    Bronze Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual

    $60
    Silver Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual

    $80
    Silver Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual

    $100
    Silver Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual

    $120
    Gold Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual

    $140
    Gold Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access

    $160
    Gold Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product

    $180
    Platinum Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product
    TFC Polo Shirt

    $200
    Platinum Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product
    TFC Polo Shirt
    TFC hat and calendar

    $250
    Platinum Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product
    TFC Polo Shirt
    TFC hat and calendar
    Two keys for each aircraft

    $500
    Diamond Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product
    TFC Polo Shirt
    TFC hat and calendar
    Two keys for each aircraft
    One existing aircraft skin with your name below the canopy

    $1,000
    Diamond Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product
    TFC Polo Shirt
    TFC hat and calendar
    Two keys for each aircraft
    One existing aircraft skin with your name below the canopy
    One custom paint scheme for the aircraft of your choice

    $2,000
    Diamond Backer credit in manuals
    DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map
    DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Bf-109K, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Spitfire, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: P-47D Thunderbolt, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    DCS: Me.262, Alpha access, and print-ready PDF manual
    Normandy Map Alpha access
    Copy of any DCS product
    TFC Polo Shirt
    TFC hat and calendar
    Two keys for each aircraft
    One existing aircraft skin with your name below the canopy
    One custom paint scheme for the aircraft of your choice
    Your face on the pilot model of your plane of choice

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Thank you!

    Seems fair. At least at my level ($120).
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    Re: July 2014 update

    I am happy. I always thought the original level of gifts was crazy unsustainable anyway.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Well I backed at $110 but added $10 for posting and packaging of the manuals....does that make me a $120 backer?
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    Re: July 2014 update

    I lost the p47 out of this new restructure and get 2 planes I might never fly...


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    Re: July 2014 update

    One of the big reasons that I put in as much as I did was to get the physical manuals. Now it's down to just a PDF. Not thrilled but I am still lookin forward to the aircraft, though now it looks like I won't get the ME-262 anymore either....
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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by AKA_Recon View Post
    I lost the p47 out of this new restructure and get 2 planes I might never fly...
    I hear ya, Recon. I'm in the same boat since I already own the P51D (paid full retail) and was looking forward to the Spit IX and the Jug. That said, I'm just glad the project is still going ahead and not abandoned altogether. We'll see what the future holds, I'm sure ED is not happy at having to do this restructuring.


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    Re: July 2014 update

    Since we will not be getting as many planes as before, we should have a choice of which ones we do get. I already have the P-51, so I left it off my choices. Now, I get a second copy of it I don't need/want, without getting what I do want.

    If I qualify for two, I want to choose them, not get the ones they are willing to give me.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    A 'pick 3 of 5' at 'level x' would have been a better solution.


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    Re: July 2014 update

    I'm hoping they may sell us the previously-promised planes at a discount from the full retail price. Who knows?



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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper View Post
    I'm hoping they may sell us the previously-promised planes at a discount from the full retail price. Who knows?

    Hi Snapper,
    Is this what you mean?

    "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable. However, the restructured system still provides an excellent value for your backing contribution. For example: each aircraft will retail at $49.99; however, you will receive the item instead at only $20.00. This is in addition to other items such as the Normandy map ($20 contribution and above) and other perks as the backing contribution level rises."

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    Re: July 2014 update

    While I understand the original offer to supporters with lower contributions to give them all the aircraft is likely unsustainable, I don't like the way the aircraft choices are awarded.

    I am fortunate in having made a larger contribution and receive all the choices, but what if I didn't?

    I happen to be most interested in the P-47 and the Spitfire IX... but if I only contributed $40, I would receive neither.

    Why is this the requirement?

    I think people with a lower level of contribution should have the choice of any two aircraft.

    For those who didn't contribute as much money, having to accept only the earlier choices of the P-51 and 190D does not strike me as reasonable.

    I think some people would be perfectly prepared to wait for the other later build aircraft choices to become available.

    DCS already has these player's money, why the requirement their choices be restricted?

    Sorry, I don't like this solution... It is not fair in my opinion.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Now is somehow clearer why Ilya isn't there anymore.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Any solution that offers 'something' is better than nothing, which is exactly where the kickstarter left everyone that backed before ED stepped in.
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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    While I understand the original offer to supporters with lower contributions to give them all the aircraft is likely unsustainable, I don't like the way the aircraft choices are awarded.

    I am fortunate in having made a larger contribution and receive all the choices, but what if I didn't?

    I happen to be most interested in the P-47 and the Spitfire IX... but if I only contributed $40, I would receive neither.

    Why is this the requirement?

    I think people with a lower level of contribution should have the choice of any two aircraft.

    For those who didn't contribute as much money, having to accept only the earlier choices of the P-51 and 190D does not strike me as reasonable.

    I think some people would be perfectly prepared to wait for the other later build aircraft choices to become available.

    DCS already has these player's money, why the requirement their choices be restricted?

    Sorry, I don't like this solution... It is not fair in my opinion.
    While I agree it is unfair, every piece of paper, no matter how thin, has two sides. I assume there is a financial reason....like most of the work on the 190 was already done and is out of another budget, or something like that. Good thing we don't have to deal with beancounters!

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by AKA_Recon View Post
    I lost the p47 out of this new restructure and get 2 planes I might never fly...
    Similar here, I only backed it for the spit, but unless p and p is included I just missed out.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Catseye View Post
    Hi Snapper,
    Is this what you mean?

    "In this July 2014 update, the primary news is in regards to the restructured backer rewards. After a careful review of the older system under RRG, we found it financially unattainable. However, the restructured system still provides an excellent value for your backing contribution. For example: each aircraft will retail at $49.99; however, you will receive the item instead at only $20.00. This is in addition to other items such as the Normandy map ($20 contribution and above) and other perks as the backing contribution level rises."

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    That's EXACTLY what I was thinking of. Hey, I'm a fast reader. It just takes a day or two to be assimilated.....

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper View Post
    That's EXACTLY what I was thinking of. Hey, I'm a fast reader. It just takes a day or two to be assimilated.....

    Thanks, Cats!


    I have a feeling they mean that the restructured reward tiers mean we are getting an aircraft for each 20 bucks we pledged, plus the map, not that we'll get additional aircraft for 20 each as backers, rather than paying retail. Hope I'm wrong, it's not worded well, but that's how I read it. So my pledge now means I get an aircraft I already paid full price for, two I probably won't use, and missed the one I actually want by $8 and will have to pay $49.99 for it.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Don't know but, I'm not getting the 262 because of the exchange rate cutting a few bucks bellow their new mark

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper View Post
    I hear ya, Recon. I'm in the same boat since I already own the P51D (paid full retail) and was looking forward to the Spit IX and the Jug. That said, I'm just glad the project is still going ahead and not abandoned altogether. We'll see what the future holds, I'm sure ED is not happy at having to do this restructuring.
    ^^ This. It's not an ideal solution but the KS failed, I'm just glad ED are still making the content. I backed to support the project, not primarily for freebies and whilst it is a shame people aren't getting all they had hoped, at least we are getting something. That said it would be nice if people could pick their free a/c rather than the new system where many of the lower tier backers will end up with duplicate P51 keys and miss out on an a/c they really wanted but I do understand why they are doing it this way.
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    Re: July 2014 update

    I, for one, don't understand why they are doing it this way. How will giving me a choice "break the bank", if the planes are all the same price?

    Could it be that the P-51 has, by now, no incremental cost to them, since the development costs have been covered by sales? If so, that's really small of them.

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    ^^ This. It's not an ideal solution but the KS failed, I'm just glad ED are still making the content. I backed to support the project, not primarily for freebies and whilst it is a shame people aren't getting all they had hoped, at least we are getting something. That said it would be nice if people could pick their free a/c rather than the new system where many of the lower tier backers will end up with duplicate P51 keys and miss out on an a/c they really wanted but I do understand why they are doing it this way.
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    Re: July 2014 update

    I don't get it either. I am glad to support this project, like many, and am grateful for any and all who contribute to the flight sim genre, and I understand that business is business and the almighty dollar rules us, but still I'm quite cheesed that all I get now is a key to a plane I already have plus another that I don't really want. I want a jug dammit! I hope things change and we can at least pick the a/c what we want. I'm just a measly peasant who coughed up a lowly 40 hard earned bucks, so I'm glad I didn't sell a kidney or something! Now... where did I put my pitchfork and my torch? I feel like going for a little walk...

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Maybe you should have sold a kidney Freya, then you'd be a diamond backer!

    I can see why they have done it, my guess is they know that most if not all backers already have the p51 and that the higher tiered aircraft are likely to be the highest sellers. Feels like we have been tossed a bone, but by giving us a choice of aircraft they would be seriously denting potential earnings from the project. I can understand why they have done it, but I wish we could have a choice, I would swap my 3 for a spit ix!

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    I kinda get this as the KS funds probably only allowed the making of 1 plane or the map or not even that. The timescale for release of the other planes (i.e. not the P51 or D9) and the map is long-term(ish) and they'd run out of money if they couldn't sell other aircraft along the way.

    August 2014 – Fw 190 D-9 Dora
    October 2014 - BF-109K
    December 2014- Spitfire IX
    March 2015 - P-47D-30
    May 2015 - Normandy Map with period AI units
    Other features like the Me.262A-1 and AI-only B-17G are also in development we but do not have a delivery data estimate at this time until these other features are further along.


    Personally I'd rather have the map and choice of 2 aircraft (D9 and Spit for me) but it is what it is and thankfully it is moving forward despite the absolute frustration we all must feel.

    I'm assuming everyone has to pay full price for new aircraft after the D9, though backers get the map as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Monkeynut View Post
    Maybe you should have sold a kidney Freya, then you'd be a diamond backer!

    I can see why they have done it, my guess is they know that most if not all backers already have the p51 and that the higher tiered aircraft are likely to be the highest sellers. Feels like we have been tossed a bone, but by giving us a choice of aircraft they would be seriously denting potential earnings from the project. I can understand why they have done it, but I wish we could have a choice, I would swap my 3 for a spit ix!
    Confused... How does having a p47 instead of Dora and 109k lose them money?

    I contributed $85 - you'd think that would be enough ?

    It's not like I've received keys already


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    Then to add, when I'm ready to get those, they will make money on it

    IMO they will do well if the map and online play is good - but if not I suspect the excitement will wear down fast.

    Also I think online play will suffer without any ground attck/bombers


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    I'm also not sure the ww2 market is good for them.

    I think they should have stuck with jets.

    I'd contribute KS money for them to churn out new jets/ maps for current setup


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    Re: July 2014 update

    Christ I'm glad they didn't. I don't give a hootin' holler in hell for anything past the F86. I wouldn't have given them a penny, but now I'll practically write them a blank check.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    They only need to add A8s, G10s and Typhoons plus a host of ground objects then it'll be good for multiplayer. As it is the game experience aka fun will be short lived for me - I'm more action orientated than click every single control.

    Maybe if it takes off we'll have a full on experience in a couple of years. The cost puts BOS into perspective though.

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    Re: July 2014 update

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    Don't know but, I'm not getting the 262 because of the exchange rate cutting a few bucks bellow their new mark
    Same here, I put in 110.00, now I'm short 10.00 bucks of getting the 262
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