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    VKB KG-12 grip

    Prototype - in plastic, the final model will be in Aluminium Alloy, with corrugated surface.



    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1427864816.jpg

    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1427864836.jpg

    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1427864861.jpg

    The grip dont pretend be a 100% replica, the design was adapted for more convenient use in flight simulators.

    The original spring system - not safety for user thumb nail - was changed for dual spring that allow stop the trigger in three positions, as show in pictures.
    Trigger button in steel, with Japanese linear 40 ball bearing, switch (OMROM) rated to 1M cycles.
    The top and top left side buttons work as HAT with central press button.
    The left button house has inclination adjustable.
    The little finger button will receive a lever (trigger) allowing use without move the hand like in original.
    The holes on sides allow optional install of:
    Left - brake lever with MaRS sensor (Yak-3)
    Right - adjustable palm rest (Mig-21).
    12 available functions (buttons) preserving the original (4 button) look.

    Versions "PnP" for VKB Mamba and King Cobra base and for Tm Warthog and Cougar. The connector allow adjust the grip angle (left/right).

    Price estimated - 200-250$.
    Last edited by 1lokos; Apr-02-2015 at 19:52.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    I'm not sure why the 3 positions for the trigger instead of 2 but I want one!!!

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Is for protect the user thumb finger nail. Military pilots use thick gloves, "virpilov" no.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Is for protect the user thumb finger nail. Military pilots use thick gloves, "virpilov" no.
    Then add $5 to the price and include the gloves

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    It looks like the same grip as the new VKB Gladiator stick which I will probably get. Cool!

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    The planed "trigger" over the pinkie button, is possible fold forward 70 degrees, in safety position.
    For one that desire a more "historic" approach, there be a version without this "trigger".


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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    The planed "trigger" over the pinkie button, is possible fold forward 70 degrees, in safety position.
    For one that desire a more "historic" approach, there be a version without this "trigger".


    That isn't the brake module UIV has been talking about, is it?
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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    I think the optional brake lever is to be installed in the place this 'diamond" cover on the left side, I see something in this way in Russian grips for early jets or helicopters.
    On the right side is possible fit a palm rest.

    This "trigger" is to make this button more accessible - seems a demand from Russian simmers.
    Last edited by 1lokos; Apr-22-2015 at 22:43.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    But, will it fit on my MS FFB2 joystick?

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Quote Originally Posted by badfinger View Post
    But, will it fit on my MS FFB2 joystick?
    I don't think it will out of the box but you should be able to make some adapter fairly easy.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    The grip is planned to be fitted "PnP" out the box in VKB Mamba and Tm Warthog (or Cougar) bases.
    In other joysticks will be need some work with wires.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Other render.


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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Other render.

    I bought all the small parts and still got them to a KG 13 stick. I lack the connection box below the stick . I was about to build myself one. The small parts included the marking plate cost over 200€ and are exact copies made in same quality as the real thing. Bought it from here 2 years ago http://www.aeroart.de/en/artikel.php
    HE still got some parts back then but the shop is closed.
    I guess I will build mine from a molded aluminium piece when I got the time and energy, it will be a just for fun project when time permit

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Anything new on this?

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    No, delayed. They are work in make a new center mechanism, based on cam system (like T-Rudder, MFG Crosswind and new Slaw F-16 pedals or like in Bauer Project 1 stick/rudder) for their joysticks...

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Like this?

    f17_236.jpg

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Yes.

    The cam system allow, be change the cam, get a different feel - more soft or more defined center position.
    For example, MFG Crosswind pedal have 3 cam options.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

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    A nice addition to this grip will be if they add a internal switch to mimic DCS Bf 109 K-4, Fw 190 D-9 "Guns Safety Lever" (default LShift+Space):

    So, when the KG-12 trigger is bent upward, the switch send a signal for the game flip the virtual trigger and commanding the "Guns Safety Lever" function without need press a additional key or button, and same for bend downward.

    The "hardcore virpilov" will love this.

    People that make DIY grips for DCS Ka-50 add this functionality.
    Last edited by 1lokos; May-16-2015 at 13:04.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    2º prototype, the buttons cap will be redesigned for more "vintage" look.


    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1433048828.jpg
    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1433048816.jpg
    Last edited by 1lokos; May-31-2015 at 10:48.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    VKB! Hurry up and take my money!!!!
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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    verry nice. !!!! 109 stick ?

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Looks pretty good especially the vintage one.

    Price for that one will be the same as for normal version I presume?

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Looks Great

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    I'm still on my first logitech 3d pro.

    *sigh - one day this will be available.
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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Looks like this is the final form of VKB Kg-12 grip:





    The top buttons are 8 position HAT + central click.

    Colander edit: For some reason images are not showing up so here are the links:
    http://postimg.org/image/y2ds2hwyj/
    http://postimg.org/image/ceots1wkb/
    http://postimg.org/image/tuiztqviz/
    Last edited by ATAG_Colander; Jul-16-2015 at 18:58.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post

    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1427864861.jpg

    I'm not sure why the 3 positions for the trigger instead of 2 but I want one!!!
    I am converting a M.Terlizzi KG-12B 1:1 resin kit for "joystick", and looking at trigger retain mechanism is just a ball plunger.

    So what VKB did in their KG-12 is add a detent for middle position, removing this extra detent, the trigger will jump... over your thumb nail.

    But that VKB KG-12 was postpone for... after TF 6.0.
    Last edited by 1lokos; Nov-16-2016 at 10:09.

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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post

    But that VKB KG-12 was postpone for... after TF 6.0.
    Hehehehe !!

    Last I heard was that Gunfighter probably be around Easter. Though which year is still to be confirmed.


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    Re: VKB KG-12 grip

    I read about a mixed experience about the cheapest Gladiator, what I can see it is small issues, but all of them related to quality control. Gunfighter would be a high end stick and the price will reflect this. I hope they deliver a all round quality product when it finally arrives

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