Flying straight and level hands off how to adjust for ?

[BOBC]

Hi,
Spitfire or Me109E or Hurricane, and no doubt others, My aircraft will not fly hands off straight and level . On the real aircraft one could dope cord along the aileron edge to stop any rotation to stbd, and the elevators had trim tab control in the cockpit. The 109 had a metal tab to tweak on both Ailerons and Elevators.

What controls are there that we adjust to stop this as I am forever pushing stick fwd and to left just to fly and keep straight and level. Reading BoB books I have yet again recently read of a pilot doing this.

I sem to remember altering trim tabs on elevators and no effect achieved, but I await the proven CoD method for both that roll and climb nuisance factor.

I have just re-calibrated by Saitek HOTAS X45 and yet the aircraft still do this.

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BOBC

[TWC_Fatal_Error]

Not going to happen with full realism, you may at one point have a perfectly trimmed aircraft but as your speed, torque,altitude and angle of attack change so does the trim required for straight flight. As you mentioned there were trims available in some of the aircraft but usually it was a ground crew personnel that tweaked a certain aircraft a certain way for a certain pilot with a spanner as every aircraft was different. This is a hands on aircraft unless you fly blennies or german bombers you are going to hold against the control surfaces in some manner.

[FightingSteel1]

I can get the 109 in the right conditions, at a certain airspeed and altitude to fly generally straight and level with no input. But things change, and it will eventually roll a little or start gaining altitude again.

You can go short distances hands off, but don't expect to cross the channel while sipping coffee and watching

[ATAG_EvangelusE]

Just add a little rudder trim on the Spit and it will stop rolling and if you are trimmed for horizontal then you will be 'hands off' but there isn't much point unless you need to roll a cigarette, or struggling to open a can of beer, etc.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Any aircraft with trim tabs can be adjusted to fly straight and level at a given speed, rpm and boost, but if those are changed, the aircraft will go out of trim.

For example, the 109E only had pilot operated elevator trim controls, the ailerons and rudder only had trim tabs adjusted on the ground... they could not be adjusted in the air.

Historically the 109E had its trim tabs and elevator at '0' adjusted to provide straight and level flight at 320 kmh at cruise rpm and boost. That is what you have in the game.

The same applies to the Hurricane and Spitfire... they fly straight and level at cruise rpms/boost at cruise speeds at '0' adjustment.

[ATAG_Ezzie]

One of the nice things about the 110 is trim in all 3 axis so I can usually fly it hands off while I'm climbing towards my intended AO. Also possible to fly hands-off single engined which is nice as well.

[1lokos]

Spit, with low RPM, Pitch and rudder trim fly leveled for a good distance.

The most "complicated" is Hurri, if trim then for fly leveled, the thing fly "crab".

[Vlerkies]

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[9./JG52 Mindle]

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[BOO]

After some experimentation ive come up with the following solution for flying a Hurricane

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[BOBC]

I can get the 109 in the right conditions, at a certain airspeed and altitude to fly generally straight and level with no input.

Just to see if i have everything set, what would that airspeed and altitude be ?

You know when you do quickflight and start in the air over the channel, I am immediately climbing and rolling, so would like to get this better if poss, as my saitek X45 is known for a powerful spring and despite using two nylon fasteners to pull the coils together, it is a grunchy frictional push to left all the time to keep from rolling and pulling back, cant do anything without immediately climbing. Pilots would have had their aircraft tweaked for hands off at certain speeds and height, as I was reading in their actual accounts. Real events, so realistic setting should allow for realistic tweaking.

Historically the 109E had its trim tabs and elevator at '0' adjusted to provide straight and level flight at 320 kmh at cruise rpm and boost. That is what you have in the game.

what is the cruise rpm to set throttle to and boost ? I wasnt aware of a boost gauge in the 109, I know where it is in the spitfire.

Spit, with low RPM, Pitch and rudder trim fly leveled for a good distance.

so it sounds possible then.

Just add a little rudder trim on the Spit and it will stop rolling and if you are trimmed for horizontal then you will be 'hands off'

which way to rotate the rudder trim wheel ?
How can I trim for horizontal as its an erk with a piece of slotted wood that does that to aileron edge.

BOBC

[1lokos]

Just to see if i have everything set, what would that airspeed and altitude be ?
You know when you do quickflight and start in the air over the channel, I am immediately climbing and rolling,

In all these useless "Free Flight" air start missions the planes are set for maximum performance, so is natural that engine torque and air pressure over controls surfaces are big that ones that trim are set for.

I wasnt aware of a boost gauge in the 109, I know where it is in the spitfire.

The instrument labeled ATA.

which way to rotate the rudder trim wheel ?
How can I trim for horizontal as its an erk with a piece of slotted wood that does that to aileron edge.

In spitfire you can click over trim wheel for adjust elevator (and rudder) trim, but in this plane the wheel is bugged and don't spin as should, although the trim is adjusted, or use keys/joystick buttons.

In Spit you achieve leveled flight by use elevator trim, reducing boost pressure, RPM, prop pitch, and consequently plane speed and using rudder trim for compensate engine torque, so dont expect fly around trimmed at ~320MPH.

[Vadr]

After some experimentation ive come up with the following solution for flying a Hurricane

That works for the 109 as well.

[FightingSteel1]

Just to see if i have everything set, what would that airspeed and altitude be ?

To be honest, I don't know. I mainly fly the 109, and I would say it's usually somewhere in the mid 300 km/h area, at around 3k altitude, or flying pretty low. But I think it depends on the map/conditions and even the direction you're flying at the time.

Usually I can dial in flying level because of the elevator trim, but it's typical to have a slight roll most of the time.

Now, the Bf-110 is much easier to get to fly straight and level. It's easier to adjust, and possibly the twin engines "balance" it out. Don't quote me on that though.

[ATAG_((dB))]

Hi BOBC I found this for you, it is how to use the trim and this is valid on all the aircraft

http://www.pilotfriend.com/training/..._wing/trim.htm

and this

http://www.aeroskytech.com/english/trim/trim.html

[Baffin]

Another option is to use flight controller software to enable aileron trim at the device level. Thrustmaster offers this in their "TARGET Script Editor", software for their products. I'd be surprised if some other joysticks do not come with similar utilities.

[Vadr]

Doh

[Vadr]

Usually I can dial in flying level because of the elevator trim, but it's typical to have a slight roll most of the time.

You can usually counteract that in level flight with just a *touch* of rudder. Just a touch, or you'll get out of coordinated flight and the drag will take over.

Also, per Buzzsaw above, the 109 trim tabs are set for 320KPH.

[BOO]

That works for the 109 as well.

but with Steins presumably....