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    Fall Rot (Case Red)

    A semi-historic mission centered around the German operation Fall Rot (Case Red), the second phase in the conquest of France. The attack began on June 5, 1940 with an offensive on the Somme. The purpose of the mission is to explore a new part of the map as well as provide ground pounders a target rich environment. This is a mission where the Stuka is truly in its element. The aircraft set is roughly historic with some additions for gameplay. Although they were not historically involved in this phase of the Battle of France, Spitfire I (100 Octane) & Ia (100 Octane) variants are available from some airfields. The Br.20 is also available to red to supplement their medium bomber force. Blue AI bombers will spawn periodically to attack red targets in order to advance the mission. Mission length is 4 hours. Special thanks to ATAG_Bliss for scripting/hosting & 5./JG27 Vogler for support.

    Blue briefing

    Fall Rot v2.1

    June 5, 1940 11:00

    "Fall Gelb" ("Case Yellow") was huge success. The bulk of the BEF was trapped on the beaches of Dunkirk and forced to swim back across The Channel. The amount of material and equipment abandoned on the beaches is impossible to imagine. Now we turn our attention south and launch "Fall Rot" ("Case Red"), the drive on Paris. Smash the enemy air force and defensive positions so the panzers can move forward.

    Jagd & Zerstörer Gruppen:

    Peform frei jagds over the front lines & provide close escort to our bomber forces.


    Stuka & Kampf Gruppen:

    Destroy the Infantry positions near Dieppe (AW10.5), Amiens (BE09.4), & Rouen (AW05.5).


    Destroy the Armoured formation outside Poix-de-Picardie (BC08.5).


    Destroy the HQ & supply base at Le Havre (AP05.5).


    Destroy the airfields at Dieppe Saint-Aubin (AW09.7), Haute-Fontaine (BC06.5), Le Havre Octeville (AO05.9), Poix Nord (BC09.2), Creil (BG02.7), & Montdidier (BG07.6).

    Red Briefing

    Fall Rot v2.1

    June 5, 1940 11:00

    Operation Dynamo, the evacuation of the BEF from Dunkirk, is complete but the battle for France continues. The French army has formed defensive lines along the river Somme, ready to delay any German advance on Paris. RAF units still operating in France will do their best to support the defense.

    Fighter Command:

    Patrol the front lines for Luftwaffe fighter & bomber formations. Jerry has been using Abbeville & Amiens as a rally point. Spitfires have been operating from Le Havre (AO05.9), Haute-Fontaine (BC06.5), & Creil (BG02.7). Protect these bases at all costs. Failure to do so will result in the Spitfire squadrons being pulled back to England.

    Bomber Command:

    German panzer formations have begun massing near Abbeville (BB12.1) & Amiens (BF10.1).


    Infantry and supply columns have been spotted south of Arras (BI13.7) & west of Frevent (BE14.1).


    Luftwaffe bases at Abbeville (BB12.5), Ligescourt (BB14.3), Cramont/Yvrench (BC12.9), Barly (BE13.2), Achiet-Gravillers (BI12.1), & Arras Saint-Liger (BI13.3).
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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    It could really be a nice mission, to be fought in different places than the usual ones. I especially appreciate the recon photos that you have eclosed. What I like less is the british Br20; not only because unhistorical, but also in my opinion it doesn't add anything to the Blenheim, if not the possibility to carry a greater quantity of small bombs, but at the price of a much smaller handling and an unfitness at low level. Anyway, I'm eager to try this map

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Cool, Hans Gruber! I specially like the fact that the AI bombers go for real mission targets. That makes them worth escorting. I'm just not sure about the Br.20.

    Is it in the rotation already? Looking forward to it.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    This mission is now in the rotation!


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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Really a beautiful map, I enjoyed it a lot. Maybe 4 hrs are not enough for all those targets, I quitted after 2 hrs and there was a still lot left to do. I didn't understand well how the airfields are destroyed...We did Haute-Fontaine and Grandvilliers, but there were still some intact buildings on them.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    looks like a good mission looking forward to trying it out!


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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    I flew two red sorties today....really really enjoyed it.

    Great to see a different area of the map...having to learn new landmarks again, relying on my compass again....great stuff.

    The guys who were on comms all banded together to cooperate and it was great listening as a flight of Stukas began attacking the airfield at Dieppe.

    Can't wait to fly it again. I haven't had a chance to see the other new missions yet but it's fantastic to see them in rotation. Thanks for all your work guys,


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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by Naz View Post
    I flew two red sorties today....really really enjoyed it.

    Great to see a different area of the map...having to learn new landmarks again, relying on my compass again....great stuff.

    The guys who were on comms all banded together to cooperate and it was great listening as a flight of Stukas began attacking the airfield at Dieppe.

    Can't wait to fly it again. I haven't had a chance to see the other new missions yet but it's fantastic to see them in rotation. Thanks for all your work guys,

    +1

    Cannot wait to play these!

    Were these missions, or some similar to them, on the ACG server at some point over the past 6 months? I can't swear it but they sound similar.

    Happy Hunting,


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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Some spawn points at Le Havre for the Spit MK1a 100oct cause 'flipping' during start - caused problems for a few Reds this morning. (I notice this also on the Spits v 109 server which uses Le Havre on one of its maps).
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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Awesome map, flew a few hours yesterday, nice change to the cross channel lets go low over Hawkinge and get killed scenario.

    Flew the E1 the whole evening against Hurri's and Blennes, did not see any Spits and was quite grateful for that
    Managed a low flight to Dieppe where I caused a little havoc around the airfield with a few airborne Blennies and a Hurri or 2 just getting off the ground. Rest of the evening they seemed to swarm up to Abbeville before we could head south.
    Lots of action, all good fun.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Many thanks to all that the mission became available.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassius View Post
    Many thanks to all that the mission became available.
    Flashbacks of BoF?

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    I am wondering why the B model 109 is available on French/Dunkirk maps as the service date seems to be July 1940?

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gromit View Post
    I am wondering why the B model 109 is available on French/Dunkirk maps as the service date seems to be July 1940?
    There are no fighter-bombers on this map.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Currently my favourite map! Nice combat area, nice targets, nice plane set.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hans Gruber View Post
    Flashbacks of BoF?
    Yes...It was a glorious battle

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassius View Post
    Yes...It was a glorious battle
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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Great map, I spend a lot of my time map reading my way from one place to another!

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    Re: Dynamo

    Gruber, the hangers at Liegescourt are impossible to kill, the bloody things respawn within 5 minutes. It's impossible for a single Blenheim to take that target out seemingly. We just hit it with 2 blennies and it still doesn't go up!

    If they are "repairing" then they're doing it FAR too quickly.

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    Re: Dynamo

    Scratch that, 3 blennies can't take out that target.

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    Re: Dynamo

    Just returned to Liegescourt with 3 blennies.

    Bombs going off inside hangars and not destroying them.
    Hangars repairing themselves between sorties.

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    Re: Dynamo

    Quote Originally Posted by 92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P) View Post
    Just returned to Liegescourt with 3 blennies.

    Bombs going off inside hangars and not destroying them.
    Hangars repairing themselves between sorties.
    Thanks for the feedback. I somehow neglected to put the static target down at Ligescourt. It would look like either of the targets below if it was there.


    I will include this fix in a future update. I am working on making it so when an airfield is destroyed the spawn point will go away as well.

    As it is now reds can still win the map as not every target needs to be destroyed to win. Each side needs 50 points to win, the aifields are worth 5 pts ea, the other targets are worth 10.

    Sorry for the confusion.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Briefing needs updating tool:

    Target for allies at ARRAS is not at BI13.9, but actually BH13.9

    cheers!

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Even noting that 50pts wins the map, am I right in seeing that the Blues have to defend 60 pts worth of targets including :
    2 armoured formations which only Blennies carrying 4 bombs at a time can destroy, or the Br20 which is certainly not a "core" strength of the Regular red flyers I'd expect and from what I've read one of the trickiest aircraft to fly ingame
    1 target which doesn't even exist
    1 target in completely the wrong grid square

    while the reds have to defend 80pts worth of targets including only 1 armoured formation???

    While I'm perfectly happy with asymmetric victory conditions, this seems a bit of a stretch too far for me. Apologies of course if I've misunderstood anything here.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    I admit a mistake in the briefing for one target and another is missing. I can correct these errors easily and get that working as it should. However, I think you are oversimplifying the ground targets. Yes, there are fewer blue targets to destroy. However, they are considerably less robust than the red targets due to the capabilities of the red bombers. The red targets are smaller and closer to red airfields than the majority of the blue targets. The panzer targets are indeed tough nuts to crack but that is why the Br20 is available. It's the choice of the player to use it or not. The two infantry targets for red consist almost entirely of soft vehicles which could be destroyed by fighters alone. The airfield targets for blue are mostly the larger design requiring more objects to be destroyed. The defensive positions at Dieppe, Amiens, & Rouen are primarily hard targets requiring bombs to destroy, the Poix-de-Picardie armour has more hard vehicles than their panzer formation counterparts and the Le Havre HQ is a larger target than all of those combined. So it's not quite as cut & dry as counting how many targets each team has to defend, if you were even interested in defending them all, which the player is not even asked to do in the briefing. In terms of effort required to win the map I would argue it is very close.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Sorry Gruber, was a little frustrated earlier, having spent an hour bombing the wrong target repeatedly and getting slaughtered then a long sortie to arras only to find, or not find the target as it was, not where it should be and in doing so end up getting found by a fighter before being able to bomb. Such is war. Forgive the vent please.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    There is still something not clear to me....In the airfields do we have to destroy all the buildings that are shown in the briefing's pics or we need only to saturate that area with bombs? It seems that some airfields are destroyed also when some building are still there.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by marcastel57 View Post
    There is still something not clear to me....In the airfields do we have to destroy all the buildings that are shown in the briefing's pics or we need only to saturate that area with bombs? It seems that some airfields are destroyed also when some building are still there.
    The targets are buildings & statics like the ones shown in the recon photos on the airfield. There might be hard coded building (hangars) around the edges of the airfield but they are not part of the target. Look for what is shown in the photos (control tower, hangars, workshops, fuel storage, trucks, parked aircraft) lined up close to the runways.

    There is an error at Ligescourt which I will correct soon.

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hans Gruber View Post
    .... Look for what is shown in the photos (control tower, hangars, workshops, fuel storage, trucks, parked aircraft) lined up close to the runways.
    Yes, I understood that the target are the buildings close to the runways….what I mean is that one of last nights the airfields (at least Haute-Fontaine, if I remember) were given as destroyed with still some of those buildings sane, so I thought it was a saturation zone like the Portsmouth harbor in Kanalkampf….but yesterday I dropped two Ju88 full loads in the Poix Nord buildings’ area (not aiming to the single buildings) without any result...

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    Re: Fall Rot (Case Red)

    I am quite positive that you have to hit the buildings and equipment but that you only have to destroy a certain percentage of the target to achieve the goal. Or in other words you do not have to hit the last truck on this airfield - the same for the other targets.

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