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9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-06-2014, 22:46
Bliss and I have been discussing this for some time but I feel now might be the time to move forward. The community is growing and in need of more squad based events. I want to get a feel for the level of interest in running a campaign on ATAG server #2. My idea is as follows:

- Spiritual successor to Air War campaign I helped administer on Storm of War in March/April 2013. Incorporates lessons learned from that campaign.
- 2 teams with equal numbers (50 max).
- Max 1/3 (17) of each team can be bombers.
- Each team starts the campaign with equal # of airfields, equal air defenses, & equal detection capabilities. Objective is to destroy all of the other teams airfields. Campaign continues each week until one team is eliminated.
- Target airfields would require equal effort to destroy.
- You may spawn one time. <rr is allowed but if you are shot down, bail out, crash land you must leave server immediately. Failure to follow this rule results in your removal from future events.
- Emphasis on low maintenance. No counting of destroyed aircraft or purchasing aircraft, bases, etc. Over time these might be considered but initial campaign focuses on simplicity.
- Squads fly together to achieve a common goal developing their own attack & defense strategies. This is not designed to be a recreation of a historical event.

What would be needed to start campaign:
- Consensus on the fighter aircraft believed to be the most equally matched (Ex. Spitfire Mk Ia 100oct vs Bf 109 E-4 or Hurricane I 100oct vs Bf 109 E-1). These aircraft would be unlimited. Other "inferior" types would be available to use but only as an option.
- Consensus on bomber/s believed to be the most comparable. Teams either choose to fly the same bomber or select a/c that have similar attributes or bomb loads. Strengths of target airfields scaled dependent on bomber type selected.
- Equal RDF type detection system or no detection system and both teams rely on existing Tab-7-1 option.
- Both sides believing they have an equal chance of victory.

Is there interest in this type of campaign?

VO101_Tom
Apr-06-2014, 22:56
Sounds great, MKHL are interested in. :salute:

darkside3/4
Apr-07-2014, 00:16
+infinity yes

Bowsewr
Apr-07-2014, 01:27
Absolutely, +1 for me.

sounds fantastic!

EG14_Marcast
Apr-07-2014, 06:17
+1, I like every kind of campaigns.

ATAG_Naz
Apr-07-2014, 08:10
I'd be Very interested HG
:thumbsup:

LBR=H.Ostermann
Apr-07-2014, 08:37
S!


+1

Looking forward to a campaign

69th_Spiritus_Mortem
Apr-07-2014, 08:40
Yes, but do you have to be part of a squad?

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
Apr-07-2014, 08:51
92 Sqn would almost certainly be up for this.

darkside3/4
Apr-07-2014, 09:18
Yes, but do you have to be part of a squad?

Although I'm debating whether to squad up eventually I'd hope there would be say 5 open slots for a first come first serve non squad affilliated team. TS3 participation would be req'd between those flyers.

Mysticpuma
Apr-07-2014, 09:20
Same question, do you have to be part of a squad. Second question, you must leave the server immediately......but can rejoin straight away?

Either way it sounds great. Personally I would love a scorched earth style server, on 24-hours and with an evolving battlefront depending on results of each mission?

All in all though, good idea....buy this would also.mean that Server 2 which is the non low on the deck furball server, which currently generates Ai bomber streams, would be dropped for this, or is the campaign an 'event' rather than constant running on the sever?

Cheers, MP

darkside3/4
Apr-07-2014, 09:25
No worries Spiritus, well start a devil dog squad if they lock us out. Off topic, quick guess on your sig pic...hyd failure landing 29 palms?

69th_Spiritus_Mortem
Apr-07-2014, 11:20
Yeah! Us lonewolf pilots like partaking in these events! Just think of us as those American pilots who came over and helped fight before December 7th. I'd augment squads who fly spits, hurries or blennies.

Jarhead, not sure, it does look like the stumps but I saw that picture on google, most of mine are subpar quality or of EA-6Bs.

I'd guess it was quals or hot brakes, but any type of emergency a plane had would often mean an arrestment, scariest ones were the hung ordnance ones. Quals were cool cause I was the lighting/marking NCO so I actually got to set up and play with the FLOLS system and got away from the PAPI's.

I miss that, especially now that I feel like I am rotting away in a windowless classroom.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-07-2014, 11:29
Same question, do you have to be part of a squad. Second question, you must leave the server immediately......but can rejoin straight away?

Either way it sounds great. Personally I would love a scorched earth style server, on 24-hours and with an evolving battlefront depending on results of each mission?

All in all though, good idea....buy this would also.mean that Server 2 which is the non low on the deck furball server, which currently generates Ai bomber streams, would be dropped for this, or is the campaign an 'event' rather than constant running on the sever?

Cheers, MP

It would be a 2 or 3 hour long event where the server is password protected. There will be red & blue forums on ATAG where the teams will make mission plans and so forth. No respawn is necessary so that others may join throughout the mission time frame. So once you lose your a/c you're done for the day but can come back next week. The event is geared towards squads but there is nothing preventing the creation of ad hoc group flying under the same banner for the campaign.

Does <rr work with bombers?

69th_Spiritus_Mortem
Apr-07-2014, 11:34
Does <rr work with bombers?

I haven't made it back to base without damage yet so I can't tell you. haha

darkside3/4
Apr-07-2014, 11:39
It would be a 2 or 3 hour long event where the server is password protected. There will be red & blue forums on ATAG where the teams will make mission plans and so forth. No respawn is necessary so that others may join throughout the mission time frame. So once you lose your a/c you're done for the day but can come back next week. The event is geared towards squads but there is nothing preventing the creation of ad hoc group flying under the same banner for the campaign.

Does <rr work with bombers?

No chance for a persistent campaign 24/7?

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
Apr-07-2014, 12:00
No chance for a persistent campaign 24/7?

every chance.

Attila
Apr-07-2014, 12:34
Hi sounds great!
I think EG14 would be interested too. (first i have to ask for it:recon:)

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-07-2014, 12:46
Please spread the word to all red & blue squads. The more interest the sooner it becomes reality.

Cassius
Apr-07-2014, 12:50
Great news! Looking forward!!:)

darkside3/4
Apr-07-2014, 15:24
Would love to see unknown targets that rotate making it more immersive. You don't find out you're target until the briefing. Maybe even integrate some recon like the 401 server campaign.

LG1.Farber
Apr-07-2014, 19:14
LG1 interested, bout time someone else ran something. 50 players max? or 50 players per side?

EG14_Marcast
Apr-07-2014, 19:41
every chance.

That would be real fun!

JG4_Widukind
Apr-07-2014, 19:45
JG4 interested ! Sure!

III./ZG76_Saipan
Apr-07-2014, 20:33
this might be similar to Ghost skies which uses IL246. sounds awesome....keep us posted.

=vit_unit=
Apr-07-2014, 22:04
When do we start? I can't wait for it :)


<rr doesn't work for bombers.

darkside3/4
Apr-07-2014, 22:36
Hans do we have an estimated ETA of this? Week, a month, several months from now?

9./JG52 Ziegler
Apr-09-2014, 19:46
LG1 interested, bout time someone else ran something. 50 players max? or 50 players per side?

Per Side.

1lokos
Apr-09-2014, 21:54
Nice idea. Looks forward to this.

Sokol1

No.401_Wolverine
Apr-09-2014, 21:59
What time are you considering running this at? What day of the week?

Little_D
Apr-10-2014, 06:01
Hi Gruber,

1./JG2 is in on this :)

"What time are you considering running this at? What day of the week?" is a good question.

on weekends would be good i think 19:00 gtm?

regards

Little_D

=WFB=Charger
Apr-10-2014, 06:58
WTG! Hans, nice idea. Looks forward to this :thumbsup:

J-HAT
Apr-12-2014, 04:59
I'm interested, yeah. Some others from ATAG would play too.

Gladio
Apr-14-2014, 09:43
Please, do it

Osprey
Apr-14-2014, 10:41
on weekends would be good i think 19:00 gtm?



Note that we (UK) moved our clocks forward last week so that would mean 2000 UK and 2100 CET. That's quite a late start.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-14-2014, 13:29
It looks like we have enough interest to proceed. Campaign sub-forums will be created and a sign-up process started. The earliest possible start date will be in early May with a 1900 GMT / 1500 EST start time. Each mission will run for 3 hours and flown on Saturdays so as to not conflict with SoW. Unless somebody has a working RDF system for both red & blue, aircraft detection will rely on the naked eyeball and whatever help Tab-7-1 provides.

My plan is to clean up some public mission items this week and dive into campaign startup tasks next week. Mor details to come soon.

Roblex
Apr-14-2014, 14:10
Re 24/7 missions. I used to play WW2-Online which ran 24/7 and one of the big problems with it was that you could spend 3 hours capturing a town with 50 players either side, tanks, dive bombers, sappers etc in an intense battle then while the UK and the US were asleep three Aussies would walk in unopposed and take it back without firing a shot. They ended up putting in loads of AI defenses for the quiet periods so it was impossible without a large number of attackers which is something ATAG would not want. You could possibly make airfields etc rebuild very fast so it takes a large co-ordinated attack but then you ruin the game for the people who can only fly when numbers are low. I am not saying we should not try to find a solution, just pointing out some pitfalls.

Regarding the three hour map, I love the idea of the 'single sortie' then go away for a week (though how about twice weekly?) I was tempted to say that it will be hard to find bomber pilots willing to risk being out of the game after half a sortie but on second thoughts, it is in your teams best interests to protect bomber pilots like they were family and keep them safe because once they have all been killed they have no way to hurt the enemy (though I am sure there will still be many people who are more interested in racking up kills than achieving team objectives). This could finally be the mission design that gets people up high defending and attacking bombers!


I wonder if it is possible to let every pilot have *two* sorties per session, one in a fighter and one in a proper bomber (ie not a fighter bomber)? This will help us get enough bombers on each side.

DUI
Apr-14-2014, 14:20
The earliest possible start date will be in early May with a 1900 GMT / 1500 EST start time. Each mission will run for 3 hours and flown on Saturdays so as to not conflict with SoW.

Looking at the experiences made in the SOW campaigns Sunday seems to be the day on which more pilots can participate. I think it was also a good idea to have the 4 hrs SOW campaign start earlier (already at 17 GMT).

The current Mega BoB campaign will only last for another 5 weeks max (1 week Easter break and two missions taking up to 2 weeks each) if I am not mistaken.
So if the ATAG campaign would start end of May both campaigns would get as much attention as possible and deserved.

Roblex
Apr-15-2014, 06:40
Can you clarify exactly what a squad is being asked to commit to? I am confused by the comment "No respawn is necessary so that others may join throughout the mission time frame" Do we just have to say '56 will be arriving with 4-8 pilots some time during the three hours' or do we need to say '56 will have exactly six pilots ready to take off at exactly 18:30'? I am guessing that when you said 'No respawn is necessary' you meant 'No respawn is possible' Also, do we make up our own mission based on what is happening when we arrive or do we need to agree a plan in advance?

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I don't want to add another post just to say thanks so...Thanks for the reply Gruber :thumbsup:

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-15-2014, 13:13
It means in the event that each side has more than 50 pilots signed up you leave the server so somebody else can join. How I envision this working is you sign-up for the campaign with your squad and choose your team. In your private team forums you will coordinate with other squads the air operations for the mission. Who will start the mission? Who will join later as reinforcement? Who will fly defensive patrols? Who will fly bombers or escort? The mission is flown, results are posted, and a new planning period begins.

No respawn will be allowed but <rr will be, provided it is updated to work with the new mod release.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-16-2014, 19:30
Let's discuss bomber types. We have a few options as I see it:

1) Both teams use the same bomber - Least desirable option to me, I think there would be a lot of friendly fire incidents. Also, depending on the bomber chosen one side is likely to have a significant advantage in experience with the type. While the campaign is not strictly historical, it does add an immersion factor if the plane types stick to what we are used to seeing and expect.

2) Blenheim vs Ju 87 - Probably the closest match-up in terms of effort required to destroy & defensive armament but has some inequalities in obvious areas (# of engines & lack of bomb sight). How do top speeds & range compare in 4.312 with bomb load?

3) Blenheim vs Ju 88 - Ju 88 is more resiliant and also has dive bombing capability. Although I have not flown in 4.312 I have read that Ju 88 performance has been reduced from previous versions. How do top speeds compare now?

4) Blenheim vs He 111 - He is one tough bird but slow.

5) Blenheim vs Br.20 - I know nothing about this plane. I suspect most casual bomber pilots are the same. It's inclusion would seriously limit the field of available bomber pilots I think.

Bomb loads do not matter as targets will be scaled to require an equal effort to destroy. Thoughts?

ATAG_Freya
Apr-17-2014, 11:28
For what it's worth, I'd go for Blenheim vs Ju-87, Ju88, He111, and Br20. Give bomber pilots the options for attack, which I'm sure they'll weigh out carefully to protect their virtual lives. IF only one Blue bomber is to be included, then I vote for the JU 88. She's a work horse and I get great satisfaction from shooting them down, and given it's multiple possible attack types, it will appeal to those who can't high level bomb, while those who can will still thrive. :salute:

Roblex
Apr-17-2014, 11:52
I have always seen the Blenheims closest analogue as the Me110. They have very similar handling and bomb loads though this only applies when you are using them purely as tactical low level bombers. The 110 obviously has much better forward guns while the Blenheim has level bombing capability.

No.401_Wolverine
Apr-17-2014, 12:05
In a campaign where the capability to intercept player flown bombers is crucial to creating a competitive and engaging combat experience for everyone, I do not believe 110 or Jabo 109s have any role in such a campaign.

The coordination and use of RDF to intercept such raiders, especially if the RDF system has been tuned to only pick up larger groups of targets to cut down on the 'chatter' of the reports in high player environments, is incredibly difficult. If someone were able to edit the RDF script to ONLY report bomber type aircraft (or give the option to request fighters or bombers in the report), the story might be different.

But those types weren't given as options anyway.

Intercepting single raiders (unless the player pilots are able to fly together in tight formation to their target - which they would quickly stop doing in order to prevent themselves showing on Radar) is still difficult, no matter what the bomber type. So I say use the slowest type possible to maximize the interception possibility. It will still be hard to find them (depending on the campaign map size and target locations). There simply isn't the chance to put a big enough fighter screen in the air to spot them approaching on every possible vector and it becomes a guessing game. And as previously mentioned the RADAR for both sides is not going to pick them up, or if it does they'll look like every other contact on the map and you're back to guessing whether it's a fighter or a bomber.

At least with the slowest types, you can track them on RADAR for a bit and identify their speeds. Then make an EDUCATED guess as to whether it's a bomber type. This would require a player or players to monitor RADAR almost exclusively and make computations during the match. Something sort of like the real filter room, actually.

Any takers to do that role? I've already done it, so don't ask me! :P

JG6_BigglesCDN
Apr-17-2014, 12:32
We have used a radar operator in SEOW campaigns in IL2 1946. It works great but some one has to volunteer their time.

Cheers!

B

Cassius
Apr-23-2014, 10:31
I translated and published Multi-Squadron Campaign I hosted by ATAG Rules & Sign Up at Sukhoi/Сlod forum. Think we are in. :)
We are already in the business. Count the members...:-)

Stab/JG1_Britchot
Apr-23-2014, 15:31
I'm currently gauging interest from II./JG1 and will post in the sign-up thread once I can get an accurate head count. Thank you for creating this, I look forward to participating!:-)

kampf
Apr-23-2014, 16:27
Hi Hans,
I'm interested in taking part, maybe with =RA= team.
Just a few questions.

Red: Destroy (5) blue airfields in France. Defend (5) red airfields in England.
Blue: Destroy (5) red airfields in England. Defend (5) blue airfields in England.

I think a little error here: Blue defend in France not England, is this ok?


After takeoff if the player’s aircraft is destroyed for any reason (enemy fire, engine mismanagement, launcher crash, etc..) they are eliminated from the mission & must immediately exit the server.

What about "Connection Timeout" ? It happens often to me.


- Participants must use squadron or group tags during the mission.

This means I have to change Steam nickname? or there's another way?
Thanks

Kampf

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-23-2014, 18:36
I translated and published Multi-Squadron Campaign I hosted by ATAG Rules & Sign Up at Sukhoi/Сlod forum. Think we are in. :)
We are already in the business. Count the members...:-)

Thank you for spreading the word, Cassius.


I think a little error here: Blue defend in France not England, is this ok?
Fixed. Thanks!


What about "Connection Timeout" ? It happens often to me.
This would be the same as a death. From an administrative view it removes any ambiguity. I don't see any other way to handle it as somebody who is about to be shot down could just quit the server and say it was an internet problem.


This means I have to change Steam nickname? or there's another way?
Yes, wear your group tags for the campaign missions. Just edit Steam profile before launching CloD and change back after if you wish.

92 Cdt. Kiwikillemoff (QJ-Z)
Apr-23-2014, 19:12
What time are you considering running this at? What day of the week?

Id be very keen but us Southern hemisphere may struggle with times. Would it be possible to make a mini version and run it at a time that suit us? I.e Two Campaigns, one northern Hemi the other Southern?

Kiwi

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-24-2014, 09:54
So far we have a good 40+ pilots enlisted for the blue team but no red pilots. Hopefully, we see that change soon because without red participation there is no campaign. Please help get the word out to our red friends.


Id be very keen but us Southern hemisphere may struggle with times. Would it be possible to make a mini version and run it at a time that suit us? I.e Two Campaigns, one northern Hemi the other Southern?

Kiwi

I don't know why not if there are enough players for it. What time would be ideal?

III./ZG76_Ezzie
Apr-24-2014, 16:42
So far we have a good 40+ pilots enlisted for the blue team but no red pilots. Hopefully, we see that change soon because without red participation there is no campaign. Please help get the word out to our red friends.



I don't know why not if there are enough players for it. What time would be ideal?

HG,

Thanks for being open to a Southern Hemisphere version. Some options could include

Around midday sydney time on a Saturday or Sunday. Midday Saturday down here in oz would be around 2000 friday night on the east coast us so we might be able to get kiwis oz and us players. Some kiwis oz might find it hard to make it if they have busy weekends though

Same same for Sunday midday / sat evening in us

Optimum time for me would be 0600 sat and sun morning sydney time. Often see around 100 on server and I can sneak a couple of hours in before my weekend gets busy. But might not suit all kiwi / oz players tho.

During the week in the evening down here is when the servers are most quiet. I tend to play around 2100 sydney time and sometimes see day-players from uk/euro coming onto server. Maybe a 2100 syd time might work if the oz kiwis get on board and some euro /uk day players get involved. But this prob wouldn't get the same numbers as midday on the weekends. And that is getting late for my kiwi cousins

Just some ideas. Other southern hem guys might have other thoughts

Ezzie

Cassius
Apr-25-2014, 03:20
Hi Hans!
After connecting the players to the server, is it possible to set pilot of the one side, to the other side, for reconnaissance what of airfields is the target?
In any case, this action will be recorded in the server logs. Мy suggestion If it possible, it is better to change the rules to prohibit this action and the strictest punishment - removal the squad from the campaign.
And about "External View Utility for Recorded Tracks"...
Does this tool works for the tracks recorded on the server ATAG#2? I hope we don't need that, but the temptation is too great take advantage of that by somebody. :)

9./JG52 Ziegler
Apr-25-2014, 09:31
So far we have a good 40+ pilots enlisted for the blue team but no red pilots. Hopefully, we see that change soon because without red participation there is no campaign. Please help get the word out to our red friends.



I don't know why not if there are enough players for it. What time would be ideal?

I might have missed it but is there a specific sign up thread for participation? Maybe we can provide a link to it?

Spinal Tap
Apr-25-2014, 15:38
Let's discuss bomber types. We have a few options as I see it:

1) Both teams use the same bomber - Least desirable option to me, I think there would be a lot of friendly fire incidents. Also, depending on the bomber chosen one side is likely to have a significant advantage in experience with the type. While the campaign is not strictly historical, it does add an immersion factor if the plane types stick to what we are used to seeing and expect.

2) Blenheim vs Ju 87 - Probably the closest match-up in terms of effort required to destroy & defensive armament but has some inequalities in obvious areas (# of engines & lack of bomb sight). How do top speeds & range compare in 4.312 with bomb load?

3) Blenheim vs Ju 88 - Ju 88 is more resiliant and also has dive bombing capability. Although I have not flown in 4.312 I have read that Ju 88 performance has been reduced from previous versions. How do top speeds compare now?

4) Blenheim vs He 111 - He is one tough bird but slow.

5) Blenheim vs Br.20 - I know nothing about this plane. I suspect most casual bomber pilots are the same. It's inclusion would seriously limit the field of available bomber pilots I think.

Bomb loads do not matter as targets will be scaled to require an equal effort to destroy. Thoughts?

As a serious blue bomber pilot, I would be saddened if we were restricted plane wise. I think what should be done is have each airbase require equal bomb loads to destroy, but give the British fewer bases to destroy to even everything out.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-25-2014, 18:47
I might have missed it but is there a specific sign up thread for participation? Maybe we can provide a link to it?

The sign up thread can be found here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10429

We need some red squads to make this campaign happen. I've seen some big groups of Blenheims bombing from altitude so we know the skill & experience are there for red to be successful.


As a serious blue bomber pilot, I would be saddened if we were restricted plane wise. I think what should be done is have each airbase require equal bomb loads to destroy, but give the British fewer bases to destroy to even everything out.

I'm not sure what you mean by restricted. Each team will pick their bomber of choice for the campaign and the targets are weighted specific to the bomber.

Jugdriver
Apr-26-2014, 00:24
Thanks for the heads up Gruber, the AKA are interested. We would love to see a North American time slot considered as well. Middle of the day (North American time zones) on a weekend will get very tough as spring turns to summer.

AKA_MattE

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Apr-26-2014, 06:45
S! MattE, there has been some talk of a separate Kiwi Campaign which could work for US evenings & Australia mid day. For those interested would a Friday 2000 EDT / Saturday 1000 AEST start time be good?

III./ZG76_Ezzie
Apr-26-2014, 08:34
S! MattE, there has been some talk of a separate Kiwi Campaign which could work for US evenings & Australia mid day. For those interested would a Friday 2000 EDT / Saturday 1000 AEST start time be good?

It would work for me HG.

Ezzie

9./JG52 Ziegler
Apr-27-2014, 17:52
Lets go Red team and sign up if you want this ATAG campaign to happen. Phil, Lewis, Snapper, Gromit etc..? Link below. :salute:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10429

Orph3us1
Apr-29-2014, 04:36
PFT is interested, probably already tomorrow we will sign. I need to know how many pilots of us will be participating.

69th_Spiritus_Mortem
Apr-29-2014, 11:29
Bomb loads do not matter as targets will be scaled to require an equal effort to destroy. Thoughts?


If this is the case why try to get a fair match plane wise? Let the reds have the Blenny...haha, and the blues have all their bombers... unless I am reading that wrong.

If the targets are adjusted so the amount of tonnage required to take them out are equal, I see the disparity.


Why not scale the target based on this: Max bomb load for blues is either 88 or 111, (I don't know). So, you take the available planes and whichever has the max bomb load, you set the blue targets so it takes 2 or whatever of those planes to destroy each target. Then you do the same for red, you scale down their targets so it takes 2 or whatever number of Blennies to take out their targets.

No.401_Wolverine
Apr-29-2014, 15:40
69 to 4 so far.


The few indeed.

EG14_Marcast
Apr-29-2014, 20:49
What do you mean as "team killing"?

Stab/JG1_Britchot
Apr-30-2014, 13:42
What do you mean as "team killing"?

Intentionally shooting down other members of your own team. Fratricide.

Foul Ole Ron
May-01-2014, 03:04
I'm not part of any squad but would be interested to team up with a red squad if they needed a player. Fly Hurricane or Spitfire.

Incog
May-03-2014, 04:36
I need to find a squad I guess. q_q

Does that mean ATAG's server won't be accomodating lone-wolves like me Saturday evening, or is this done on ATAG's second server?

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-03-2014, 06:57
I'm not part of any squad but would be interested to team up with a red squad if they needed a player. Fly Hurricane or Spitfire.
I'm sure we have space for you.


I need to find a squad I guess. q_q

Does that mean ATAG's server won't be accomodating lone-wolves like me Saturday evening, or is this done on ATAG's second server?
This campaign will be run on server #2.

You & Foul Ole Ron could be the beginning of an ad-hoc group that other loners can join.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-03-2014, 07:01
Due to low numbers on red I am forced to push the start date back a few weeks to May 31. Please help get the word out to the red squads. This is a call to arms for 71st_AH, 56RAF, 92 Sqn., ATAG, No 310, OBT~, etc. A lot of players expressed interest but have yet to register. If any squads currently registered to fly blue would like to switch it's not too late either.

Would Sundays be better? Does that make the campaign more attractive? Please speak up if there is an issue with the structure of the campaign.

Gladio
May-03-2014, 08:22
Due to low numbers on red I am forced to push the start date back a few weeks to May 31. Please help get the word out to the red squads. This is a call to arms for 71st_AH, 56RAF, 92 Sqn., ATAG, No 310, OBT~, etc. A lot of players expressed interest but have yet to register. If any squads currently registered to fly blue would like to switch it's not too late either.

Would Sundays be better? Does that make the campaign more attractive? Please speak up if there is an issue with the structure of the campaign.

Regia Aeronautica CO agreed to switch Red. I will talk with him in few hours so I'll be back for the confirmation soon but I'm pretty sure will be fine.

AKA_Recon
May-03-2014, 08:56
Re 24/7 missions. I used to play WW2-Online which ran 24/7 and one of the big problems with it was that you could spend 3 hours capturing a town with 50 players either side, tanks, dive bombers, sappers etc in an intense battle then while the UK and the US were asleep three Aussies would walk in unopposed and take it back without firing a shot. They ended up putting in loads of AI defenses for the quiet periods so it was impossible without a large number of attackers which is something ATAG would not want. You could possibly make airfields etc rebuild very fast so it takes a large co-ordinated attack but then you ruin the game for the people who can only fly when numbers are low. I am not saying we should not try to find a solution, just pointing out some pitfalls.


This is the issue to me. The opposite problem is that your excluding basically the other half of the world in these setups. I'd fly RED, but I'm not flying in the middle of the afternoon, or at 3 in the morning.

How about to counter what you described, the server does run - and different timezones have representatives from RED and BLUE available to fly.

CloD more than any game I've played because of its small, yet very active community needs events that spans timezones. So for me the trick to create these is to make them such.

Perhaps it would even help the game, as it might motivate more people to come out during the slower times. I know for me, I play EST. Whenever a new patch comes out, the server is much busier than normal, so I know the people are there. Eventually the excitement wanes, and numbers slip back down again.

I'm very interested in signing up, and I'd fly either side to make it more balanced in numbers... however, I tend to fly 9pm EST not during the day hours. Again, it's less about interest and more about timing.

Maybe different timezones have slightly different scenarios running. ie. when less people, the shift moves to escorting and defending against high alt bomber raids ?

Glad to see these events forming, I think it will take some creative thinking and openness to new ideas to pull it off.

Gladio
May-03-2014, 09:07
Regia Aeronautica CO agreed to switch Red. I will talk with him in few hours so I'll be back for the confirmation soon but I'm pretty sure will be fine.

Just got CO confirmation, =RA= will be red this ATAG Campaign.

Catseye
May-03-2014, 11:39
ATAG_Catseye will fly for red.

For me, it is 11.00 hrs west coast NA and this is a problem on a Saturday . . . . shopping etc. Sunday is better for me.

Cheers,
Cats . . .

Foul Ole Ron
May-04-2014, 06:54
Would Sundays be better? Does that make the campaign more attractive? Please speak up if there is an issue with the structure of the campaign.

Sundays would probably be better? I'm gmt and Saturday evenings can often be taken up with going out, meeting friends, etc. Not sure how Sunday would work with other ongoing campaigns though.

Gladio
May-04-2014, 09:05
Will be possible to join the mission after the start ? I mean from 19.00 to 20.00 GMT is usually dinner time for most european Country, expecially during the week end, so I'm just wondering if people are allowed to join the mission while in progress.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-05-2014, 20:58
I hear you guys loud and clear. Campaign mission will be on Sundays.

Rules & registration updated: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10429

=vit_unit=
May-06-2014, 02:28
I suggest to vote. Let's see what people think of campaign date overall.
For me it is not convinient to fly in Monday morning, for example...

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
May-06-2014, 02:58
92 was in process of trying to get numbers for Saturday slot. We would probably have 6 to 8 for Saturday slot.
Sundays are not best for us - it's Monday morning for our Aussies.

Roblex
May-06-2014, 03:00
I am trying to get an answer from 56 at the moment. I actually reposted the details to our own forum 23rd April and for some reason it did not arrive until yesterday! That might partly explain the lack of response :D I am guessing that even if it had arrived on time the response may have been luke-warm because we were getting disillusioned with the SoW campaign at the time. Saturdays are also a bad time for most 56 anyway. SoW was fun for the most part but kind of fizzled out at the end with neither side that happy.

Hopefully 56 will be a bit more receptive now, especially as there will now be a short break to give us withdrawal symptoms :D

BTW, you asked us to speak up if there is anything that might reduce our numbers so I will mention that starting at 19:00 UK time (BST) does stop a few of us from attending and makes it tricky for a few others. I understand if other squads have a more pressing problem with starting an hour later at 20:00 BST, I am just putting out some info to go into the mix with others peoples thoughts. We do also have a couple of pilots in Europe who might be happier with things as they are so it's swings & roundabouts.

Kling
May-06-2014, 04:29
I dont get it, under the section "Campaign duration" the starting date keep changing. Is that on purpose? Now its june 1st, a few days ago it was 31st of may and before that 10th of May IIRC... whats going on there?

Cheers

9./JG52 Meyer
May-06-2014, 05:10
Confirmed, =RA= flying for red.

OP updated to reflect current roster. Still need more pilots for both teams but especially red.

Overwhelming support for Sunday mission instead of Saturday so new start date is June 1. This is final and will not change.

Kling see 2 posts up, there is a lack of reds signing up so the date has been pushed back to allow more reds to sign up so the sides are some what even.

Kling
May-06-2014, 05:15
Kling see 2 posts up, there is a lack of reds signing up so the date has been pushed back to allow more reds to sign up so the sides are some what even.

Yup saw it now! :)
Thx

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-06-2014, 06:08
OK there is a now a poll open in this thread so vote away.

vosk
May-06-2014, 07:17
For me convinient to fly in Saturday. Morning or evening irrelevant.

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
May-06-2014, 09:58
Kling see 2 posts up, there is a lack of reds signing up so the date has been pushed back to allow more reds to sign up so the sides are some what even.

overwhelming? 11 votes to 10 is "overwhelming"?

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-06-2014, 10:49
I've moved some posts out of the registration thread to try and keep any discussion focused in this thread.

I received PM's from several squads who expressed interest but only on Sunday and the response to Saturday was lukewarm at best. Now the Saturday folks are making themselves heard which is good. There is very little maintenance mission to mission so it is not out of the realm of possibility to offer a mission both days. As long as the minimum # of players are met the mission could be flown. Depending on numbers your team might need to focus on attack or defense. There is no requirement to participate in every mission so fly the session that is more convenient for your group.

Just please keep the discussion civil.

I hope to have the forums setup this week as work needs to start by each team deciding which airfields to use and positioning AAA. That is something that cannot wait to the last minute.

Also poll results might be skewed as anybody can vote whether they intend to participate or not. That is why it might be better to start with both days and see who shows up.

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
May-06-2014, 11:36
HG, Maybe the campaign could run BOTH nights?

A bit controversial perhaps.. but maybe the teams could progress actions over the two nights or something? Some kind of persistence (dunno what though)?

92 could fly Sats, but much less likely for Sundays. Getting numbers for SOW on Sundays has not been easy for us....

Roblex
May-08-2014, 03:12
56 RAF look like we can provide at least 6 players, possibly 8.

9./JG52 Meyer
May-08-2014, 06:41
overwhelming? 11 votes to 10 is "overwhelming"?

Eh ?

ATAG_Bliss
May-11-2014, 12:13
Roster updated. Registration for blue team is open again. While we wait for campaign forums to be created I will be sending PM's to other red leaders and VO101_Tom contacting blue leaders to discuss which airfields & bomber the teams will use. These things must be finalized before the campaign begins so please participate in the discussion if you receive a PM and once the forums are open.

You can't see the campaign forums?

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-11-2014, 13:34
You can't see the campaign forums?

Negative.

ATAG_Bliss
May-12-2014, 12:12
Negative.

All should be good now. Squad leadership should also have their respective permissions very shortly. The campaign section should be available right above the DCS discussion to those that have access. (So essentially the next one down!)

Catseye
May-12-2014, 13:34
Roster updated. Registration for blue team is open again. While we wait for campaign forums to be created I will be sending PM's to other red leaders and VO101_Tom contacting blue leaders to discuss which airfields & bomber the teams will use. These things must be finalized before the campaign begins so please participate in the discussion if you receive a PM and once the forums are open.

Hmmmm,
Maybe I did this wrong but I posted somewhere to fly for the Red team.
Who should I contact to get registered?

Thanks,
Catseye

9./JG52 Ziegler
May-12-2014, 17:42
I believe you are on the Red team Catseye. Page one Post one.

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
May-12-2014, 19:50
Campaign forums are now live. Those assigned permissions should be whoever posted in the registration thread but I can't guarantee I got everybody. If you need forum access PM me please.

Catseye
May-12-2014, 20:25
I believe you are on the Red team Catseye. Page one Post one.

Geeze, now you know why I can't hit a barn door!

Can't see a blessed thing!

Humbled thanks!

But happy:).

Catseye
May-15-2014, 18:34
II./JG1 has read and agrees to the rules posted. We estimate 6-10 pilots available per session and wish to fly blue with the II./JG1 tag and I./JG3 aircraft markings as was historically accurate.

II./JG1_Klaiber
II./JG1_Britchot
II./JG1_Baron
II./JG1_Thomas
II./JG1_Pragr
II./JG1_Moxy
II./JG1_Labroisse
II./JG1_Maus
II./JG1_Lipfert
II./JG1_Trev
II./JG1_vonGreim

II./JG1_Pfeil
II./JG1_Erhardt


S! Herr Klaiber and to my old squadron II./JG1,

Welcome to the ATAG server. Finally nice to see you guys make the transition to CLOD.

Everything I know about squadron flying and comms protocols I learned from II./JG1. But . . . . now that I'm flying for the Red side, I have to pass on to my ATAG Group some of those lessons. Paying it forward so-to-speak.

And also, . . . . tell all the Reds to watch out for an elite squad.

S!
Best regards chaps looking forward to meeting you in the skys!
Catseye
(II./JG1_Katze)

ATAG_Knuckles
May-17-2014, 10:45
I would love to be part of this however as most are aware of due to a stroke i only have one usable hand, so i can not fly but can certainly join a Blenheim in the rear turret.

ATAG_Septic
May-17-2014, 10:55
I would love to be part of this however as most are aware of due to a stroke i only have one usable hand, so i can not fly but can certainly join a Blenheim in the rear turret.

Great Knuckles, your calm presence in the gunner seat will be most welcome if we are on the Blenheim. If we can't fly them maybe airfield defense in AAA?

I'll add you to our rota.

Septic.:salute:

9./JG52 Ziegler
May-17-2014, 11:35
I would love to be part of this however as most are aware of due to a stroke i only have one usable hand, so i can not fly but can certainly join a Blenheim in the rear turret.

Dang Knucks, Hope you get well soon my friend. :salute:

Stab/JG1_Klaiber
May-18-2014, 18:25
S! Herr Klaiber and to my old squadron II./JG1,

Welcome to the ATAG server. Finally nice to see you guys make the transition to CLOD.

Everything I know about squadron flying and comms protocols I learned from II./JG1. But . . . . now that I'm flying for the Red side, I have to pass on to my ATAG Group some of those lessons. Paying it forward so-to-speak.

And also, . . . . tell all the Reds to watch out for an elite squad.

S!
Best regards chaps looking forward to meeting you in the skys!
Catseye
(II./JG1_Katze)

Hi Catseye,

Great to talk with you again! Really looking forward to flying with / against you in this event. It took us a while to make the switch from 46 to CLOD, but we're glad to be here! See you in the air!

-Klaiber

Catseye
May-24-2014, 11:59
I would love to be part of this however as most are aware of due to a stroke i only have one usable hand, so i can not fly but can certainly join a Blenheim in the rear turret.

Hi Knuckles,
Hope all is progressing with treatment as best it can!

I don't know what the bombardier has to do but I'm wondering if you could perform that role as well?

Cheers,
Cats . . .

Attila
Jun-02-2014, 06:41
@ Gruber or Bliss

Does any website with stats and progress of the campaign exist?

Salut EG_14 Attila:salute: