What other theaters would you like to see?

[Anjelus]

Does anyone here have a strict interest in just the Battle of Britain and not too much in other stuff? I've hung out a lot on A2A and I know that's the case with many people who frequent BoB2: Wings of Victory. Also there's people I play WOFF with who have zero interest in anything outside of World War 1 aviation; if it's not a biplane, they won't bother.

Or do you fly CloD for the simulation and physics and would fly in virtually any theater on this engine?

Personally, the most historically recent sim I've ever played was MiG Alley (Korea) and I don't have great interest in flying sims about post 1945 eras. But I would love to fly, say, the Pacific Theater and do full blown carrier ops on this engine. However, I am an enthusiast of sorts of the BoB, have been since I was a kid, and I'm thrilled to fly Spitfires in as much detail as this sim provides.

[ATAG_Lewis]

I'd fly almost anything WW2....I had WW2 stuff all around me as a child even though I was born 20 years after it...and that stems my fascination....I had WW2 helmets and badges that my father bought me...and my ceiling had models of WW2 aircraft....My Grandparents bought me my first large scale kit which was a silver Grumman Wildcat....and then the large scale Bf109 kit too

I flew IL2 1946 and pacific fighters for many years...My favourite aircraft were the Spit, Fw190, Tempest and Mosquito

[ATAG_Endless]

I would love to see a Africa campaign with this game engine because you could enhance the landscape and aircraft graphics and not worry about graphics fps hit because there will be hardly any trees and buildings

[JG4_sKylon]

I´d love to see any theater as long as it has mountains.
I am getting tired of all the flat landscape.
Not sure if this is possible

[darkside3/4]

Africa, Pacific, Norway

[MJDixon]

I'd like to see the Med or Norway, as they're both under-done in flight sims, and both quite close in terms of Aircraft used compared to later war or far east stuff.

[ATAG_Lewis]

Malta....

Both my Grandfathers were there at some point during WW2....and I have been there too....

[EG14_Marcast]

Malta and North Africa. I think they are also the easiest to get as we can use the same planeset.

[gavagai]

Malta and North Africa. I think they are also the easiest to get as we can use the same planeset.

A big yes to those, but with the addition of the 109F-4, Spitfire Mk V, Hurricane IIC, and Mc 202.:thumbsup:

[9./JG52 Ziegler]

Malta and North Africa. I think they are also the easiest to get as we can use the same planeset.

Same for me.:thumbsup:

[ATAG_Headshot]

The pacific for me a thousand times over. I love the plane set, and being able to do carrier ops in this engine would be fantastic!

[AKA_Recon]

Or do you fly CloD for the simulation and physics and would fly in virtually any theater on this engine?


Yes for me.

[Pirabee]

Wanna know my ultimate theater? It's the RAF bombing raids of 1943-45 over Europe. It's those big Lancaster bombers based at East Anglia laden with Tall Boy bombs and loads of incendiary. It's those twilight take-offs and climbing into the gathering dusk. It's the path finder force of Mossies that have gone ahead of the bomber stream to mark the target.

It's searchlights probing night skies and winking flak and the ever present threat of prowling night fighters, those lethal Ju88s with their nose mounted radars. It's the whistle and thud of bombs going in; the eerily lit faces of tail gunners behind their four MG muzzles scanning the inky sky for the first sign of danger.

It's the glimpse of a bomber going down with a pennant of flames behind it. It's the chant of the bomb-aimer over the ether; the rattle of shrapnel on the fuselage; the smell of cordite as the nervous top gunner lets fly at a shadow only he saw. It's the...

Well, you get the drift. Throw in the USAAF and their B17s and ooh lala!

Pirabee.

[darkside3/4]

I know we have tons of support, but from the Team Fusion boys, is it a realistic expectation to have even half of the content that 46' had? I ask this because it seems that this sim has much more complexities then 46' requiring more man hours to get content. This question is more geared towards long term vice between now and 5.0.

[Mysticpuma]

I know we have tons of support, but from the Team Fusion boys, is it a realistic expectation to have even half of the content that 46' had? I ask this because it seems that this sim has much more complexities then 46' requiring more man hours to get content. This question is more geared towards long term vice between now and 5.0.

Currently Team Fusion have long-term plans and these will most likely stay early war for at-least TF v5.00 and probably v6.00 although moving into new Theatre(s)

We are a small team and we can only do so much in our spare time. It is important to understand we don't have a studio where we meet and sit and work 8-10 hours a day together on this, it really is what can be done, when it can be done so expectations have to be reeled in. This is why we put a post in the Updates section asking 3D modellers to come onboard and help as this is the area which will slow us down the most. Currently we have a roadmap for where we want to go with v5.00 and the aircraft (existing variants of and also complete new models) are going to be intense to create. If I can give the example of Monguse and buster_dee who spent over 2-years creating the B-24 for IL2 between them.....now you may get an idea of the task ahead!

So it will be slow going but we are interested in this as it is our hobby as well as yours and we, as community members ourselves, are well aware of popular issues and requests :)

We're working on it...slowly but steadily :smash:

Cheers, MP

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Currently Team Fusion have long-term plans and these will most likely stay early war for at-least TF v5.00 and probably v6.00 although moving into new Theatre(s)

We are a small team and we can only do so much in our spare time. It is important to understand we don't have a studio where we meet and sit and work 8-10 hours a day together on this, it really is what can be done, when it can be done so expectations have to be reeled in. This is why we put a post in the Updates section asking 3D modellers to come onboard and help as this is the area which will slow us down the most. Currently we have a roadmap for where we want to go with v5.00 and the aircraft (existing variants of and also complete new models) are going to be intense to create. If I can give the example of Monguse and buster_dee who spent over 2-years creating the B-24 for IL2 between them.....now you may get an idea of the task ahead!

So it will be slow going but we are interested in this as it is our hobby as well as yours and we, as community members ourselves, are well aware of popular issues and requests :)

We're working on it...slowly but steadily :smash:

Cheers, MP

+10 ;;)

[ATAG_Dave]

Ill be very happy & grateful to play in any theatre in this fantastic game that TF can provide :thumbsup: Though I hope whatever comes next (I suppose if i was choosing i'd prefer early rather than late war) supplements what we already have rather than replaces it - Id be absolutely gutted to lose what we have today

Dave

[implicit A]

mediterranée with isles, south of france, norten african.
there are some mountains too.

should be great as it's an historical WWII place.

Don't think it has ever be done except malta mod.

[Infinity]

Love the Pacific theatre. My favorite missions in 1946. I still go back and play them on occasion. But anything WW2 is good.

[LuseKofte]

Me thinks it will be a long way ahead to get to land and take off from carriers. And boy it will mean a totally new plane set.
I would love some US planes in this game and the possibilities for an 4 engined bomber

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Me thinks it will be a long way ahead to get to land and take off from carriers. And boy it will mean a totally new plane set.
I would love some US planes in this game and the possibilities for an 4 engined bomber

Actually we can land and takeoff now... but all the other aspects of carrier ops are more complex... :doh:

By the way... Hurricanes operated off Carriers, as well as Gladiators... don't need a new planeset. ;)

Sea Hurricane I was essentially the same as the Hurricane Rotol 100 octane... except it used +16 boost.

[fly4ever]

...Definitely would really - and I mean REALLY,only God knows - love to see a real North African and Mediterranean theater in the nearest future possible.I mean the whole theater rather than parts of it,containing except North Africa also Malta,Sicily and Southern Italy and of course Greece (at least the part from 41 or 40 deg. North Lat!) in a single map.I know this would be an absolutely huge map extending from 12th Meridian to the 31,an almost 1000NM of lenght and from 40N Lat to 29N which covers almost 700NM.But the North African theater took place over a substantially large area extending from Tripoly Lybia all the way to Alaxandria and Cairo Egypt.

Although it may seem in a first place as a huge area needs to be covered comparing with our present ClOD map coverage (almost 4-5 times bigger map) in fact most of it contains mostly water,small islands (except Sicily and Crete) and desert.However,I don't have illusions and I know very well how much efforts must be made and what something like this would mean in terms of personal work,especially when such a work is simply just a hobby.But as I already have seen from TF marvelous works so far,anything is possible with something like ClOD.I only wish I had an expert knowledge on 3D map rendering to offer my help,sometimes if feels so sad I don't know almost anything on such matters.

Even though I'm pretty sure you guys have already saw this video in Youtube made by "Ph0b0s95" in the past,I couldn't resist to link it here not to show you (because you already know what I mean) rather to remind you what I mean by saying North African Theater.I still don't know how in the world this guy actually made this video back then...!!!
Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tugifv2YIw8

Cheers
Nick

[SamJoDo]

Pacific theatre or the heavy bomber campaign for Europe (B17, B24)!

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

CoD map sizes are limited to an area approx. 150% the size of the current map.

Which is a very large map compared to most games, but it can't cover whole continents. :salute:

[fly4ever]

CoD map sizes are limited to an area approx. 150% the size of the current map.

I didn't know that Buzz!In this way the largest map possible would be an area of 300x300 Nautical Miles,which will give a 375NM total diagonal distance between the furthest distant points.Current map is 200x200 NM with a total diagonal distance of 250NM by the way,I recently measured it on Goggle Earth.

...So,due to this limitation the only way would be a multiple map option containing only the specific and most interesting areas.I'm curious to examine which areas in the certain theatre could be combined...

...Let me see...!!!

Cheers
Nick:salute:

[Broodwich]

My guess would be, much like the other developing sims, that as TF creates and gets more experience with the new tools that allow them to import models and artwork, the faster the progress of adding new theaters and aircraft will go.

And +1 on the mountains thing! France and England are so boring and flat

[buster_dee]

Wanna know my ultimate theater? It's the RAF bombing raids of 1943-45 over Europe. It's those big Lancaster bombers based at East Anglia laden with Tall Boy bombs and loads of incendiary. It's those twilight take-offs and climbing into the gathering dusk. It's the path finder force of Mossies that have gone ahead of the bomber stream to mark the target.

It's searchlights probing night skies and winking flak and the ever present threat of prowling night fighters, those lethal Ju88s with their nose mounted radars. It's the whistle and thud of bombs going in; the eerily lit faces of tail gunners behind their four MG muzzles scanning the inky sky for the first sign of danger.

It's the glimpse of a bomber going down with a pennant of flames behind it. It's the chant of the bomb-aimer over the ether; the rattle of shrapnel on the fuselage; the smell of cordite as the nervous top gunner lets fly at a shadow only he saw. It's the...

Well, you get the drift. Throw in the USAAF and their B17s and ooh lala!

Pirabee.

All that, with night fighters, manned radar, chaff, flare markers, FIDO, radio navigation, ECM, Electronic spoofing--and the major German Industrial targets.

Or, the Bay of Biscay with Southern England and French sub pens.

Or, North Atlantic escort carrier ops (I have a Bogue-class threatening to use up the rest of my life).

So...moving away from England actually makes me sad. It isn't MY home, but I sure like defending it.

[MoNtEzUmA]

I'd like to see the Battle of France personnaly, Moranne-Saulnier 406, Dewoitine D520, Potez 630, maybe a Bloch MB 152. Just to be able to fight over Belgium with French planes, that would be awesome.
Plus it's always been disregarded by historians because of the french defeat, but it actually lasted until mid-June, and the Germans casualities were just as high as in the battle of Britain.
Considering they had overall inferior aircrafts, its pretty amazing. The French pilots fought like maniacs.

[Salmo]

I didn't know that Buzz!In this way the largest map possible would be an area of 300x300 Nautical Miles,which will give a 375NM total diagonal distance between the furthest distant points.Current map is 200x200 NM with a total diagonal distance of 250NM by the way,I recently measured it on Goggle Earth.

...So,due to this limitation the only way would be a multiple map option containing only the specific and most interesting areas.I'm curious to examine which areas in the certain theatre could be combined...

...Let me see...!!!

Cheers
Nick:salute:

There are other ways to overcome the physical map size limit. You could move land masses so they are closer on the map than in reality. Alternatively, the entire map could be scaled to (say) 1/2 size, effectively doubling the area than can be covered.

[fly4ever]

There are other ways to overcome the physical map size limit. You could move land masses so they are closer on the map than in reality. Alternatively, the entire map could be scaled to (say) 1/2 size, effectively doubling the area than can be covered.

Hi Salmo,

Yeah,this is true...it also crossed my mind.The only downside would be the smaller distances will affect the realism in terms of the actual time needed for an aircraft to reach a certain destination and of course the fuel a plane would consume will be also be affected.Of course such a "compromisation" will definitely could be a solution without affecting the missions Historical realism and accuracy in areas/maps where there wasn't any kind of involvement between the distant places concerning missions and fighting activity.For instance,if there wasn't flying units operating from Malta to Libya and vice versa (or there were only a minor/insignificant number of missions),the vast water distance of 200NM or more between the two places could certainly be cut in half.Same counts for Crete, Egypt and East Libya where the actual distance is almost the same although I'm almost certain there actually was plenty of activity operated from Crete to both North African territories during WWII.

I'm in the process of measuring in Google Earth every possible option and combination of distant places could be included in the same map given the game map limitation and the actual physical distances.In my previous post I got a little bit confused and mixed up the distances measurements between Nautical Miles and Statute Miles.In our present map we have a coverage of 185x185 NM area (250NM total diagonal distance),thus the maximum allowable would be a 277x277 NM area (375NM total diagonal distance). One combined option could be Crete and East Libya & Egypt El Alamein,Alexandria & Cairo in a single map although some compromises (Salmo's suggestion) should be made as the actual distance from Cairo (SE end of map) to the extreme SW end of such a map is considerably larger than 277NM. A second one with North East Libya and the associated parts of the Southern Mediterranean Sea,another one with Malta and North Libya and a fourth one with Malta & Sicily.

If someone has information from WWII era concerning specific places interaction in terms of missions and where the several squadrons were based and where their operations actually took place, it would be really helpful for me to know which places must be included/combined in the same map if and when something like this will be possible to be made.I would also like to know if what Salmo suggested here is restrictive for everything a map should include in a way that all distances must be cut in half or just some of them.For example,if the distance between Malta or Crete to North Africa is cut in half,the same must also be made for the distances in North Africa mainland or it's possible only for the islands to come closer to Africa and everything else remain its actual distance between places?

Cheers
Nick

[Nightdare]

It's a shame that the old developers of CLOD don't say "Aw hell,..." and 'redeem' themselves a bit, giving some secrets away to TF to help and expand their current development

[Continu0]

they probably could end up in big troubles by doing that, so i can totally understand them...

[javelina]

North Africa & Med, as well as the Pacific. Would love to fly "Whistling Death"... my truly favorite WWII bird, followed by the P-40. Something about the lines of the P-40 that look just great. Regardless, I'll fly most anything, in any era. Just love the flight sims!

[Nightdare]

they probably could end up in big troubles by doing that, so i can totally understand them...

Nobody has to know :devilish:

[mprhead]

This would be kinda cool... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Campaign_(World_War_II) ;) Other than that: North Africa, Mediterranea, Malta, that type of thing.

[Mudcat]

First for me would be PTO, but I'd take Med, N. Africa or anything else if they happen to slip in a Wildcat... err I mean Martlet :-)

[heinzknocke]

Id like to see the map weve got expanded to include the midlands to bomb Coventry etc and to be able to fly missions from Norway over to Scotland lets get this map complete first then move onto others.

That's my thoughts anyway

Heinz

[AG-51 Hoss]

The pacific for me a thousand times over. I love the plane set, and being able to do carrier ops in this engine would be fantastic!

Ditto on the Pacific, anything with a tail hook.................. the Med would be good too Operation Torch............

Don't think we will see the pacific though............ I'd be willing to pay for an expansion pack that had a good bit of content though

Cheers

Hoss

[ATAG_Flare]

Expand the current map east! I'd love to fly over Belgium, Holland, Denmark and GGGeeeeeeRRRRRRmmmmmmAAAAAAAnnnnnnnnYYYYYYYYYY

flare.

[IIJG27Rich]

Mediterranean/North Africa :)

[II/JG77_RC]

All Excellent suggestions, another map that would work with the current plane set and period could be Greece & Crete, or even Yugoslavia.

But really, any new theater would be amazing. As much fun as the channel map is a change of scenery would be very welcome.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Ditto on the Pacific, anything with a tail hook.................. the Med would be good too Operation Torch............

Don't think we will see the pacific though............ I'd be willing to pay for an expansion pack that had a good bit of content though

Cheers

Hoss

Don't rule out any theater... we would like to eventually go to multiple different WWII Campaign theaters... and if our coders can get a good utility functional, there is no reason not to believe this cannot be the case.

But it all requires huge amounts of time and effort to get us there... those are the roadblocks. :salute:

[dburne]

I would be all about the Pacific!

[GloriousRuse]

I think Africa and the Med make the most sense given the time period, as the Spit V, Hurricane IIC, and 109F must surely be easier to model given the existing planes than trying to build a whole new slew of aircraft for something like the pacific. I think the only new plane you would need "from scratch" would be the FW190As. As a bonus, the same planes would extend happily into '41 France circuses and rodeos. And, of course, form a natural basis for building into the strategic bombing and Italian theaters.

[AKA_Knutsac]

How can "we" even contemplate a Pacific map, Norway map, or even a Med map when we're too impatient to even fly from Wissant to targets in London, or across the Channel to Isle of Wight, or from La Havre to Abbeville? Hell, many (most?) pilots are too impatient to even climb to a healthy altitude before heading into harms way. The new maps might be great for campaigns, but for a dogfight server they're likely wasted effort, IMHO. As I recall the original IL-2 Pacific was kind of a bust, except for the novelty of carrier ops and the New Guinea map. Interest in long overwater flights quickly waned, and I don't recall anyone being thrilled about flying the fireball Japanese a/c.

I personally would rather see a few more a/c types added, if doable, than maps. Would love to see the FW-190, P-40, P-47, and especially someday the Mossie. But beggars can't be choosers, so I'll be happy with whatever comes down the TF pike.

~S~

AKA Knutsac

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

I personally would rather see a few more a/c types added, if doable, than maps.

Development is going on in parallel.

Map Development team is separate from Aircraft development team. (which is split up further into Flight Modeling, 3D modeling, texture modeling, etc.)

We don't stop development of new aircraft to work on new maps. It's all happening at the same time.

Map development is further split into Map Tools, Map Textures, Map terrain objects, etc.

And there are lots of other departments, there are 50 people in TF. :salute:

[dburne]

And there are lots of other departments, there are 50 people in TF. :salute:

I did not realize there were that many involved in TF, impressive!

[9./JG52_Meyer]

Afrika for me :thumbsup:

[Osiris]

I would think Africa would be the logical choice based on progression of current aircraft in game (along with new ones of course):devilish:

[HurricaneHarvest]

My priority order would be ;

(1) Fall of France, mainly because alot of current aircraft could be re-used .. plus it would be nice to have some french / dutch planes.
(2) Spanish Civil war, to see early versions of German aircraft (He111-B/E, 109-B, He 51, He 112, etc)
(3) Africa / Malta
(4) Atlantic, should be easy - flyable Condor, Hurricane on catapult ramp ship - finished !

But first we need more BOB flyable aircraft, and new ones maybe ? Hampden,

[ChiefRedCloud]

I want to see SNOW ...... tons of SNOW ..... SNOW roads ..... SNOW runways ....... SNOW in my hair ...... WAIT! Isn't this the BoS thread? WOOPS! Sorry ........ My mistake ..... Forgive me ..... I'll just tootle off ....

Chief

[Mysticpuma]

Don't worry Chief....you already have snow :) Just CloD has Autumn and Summer too :)


Now, if I was going to have a Theatre for the next patch....I'd choose........oh hang on...I suppose it will be too easy if I have a go :)

How about Doctor Who taking on the Daleks in Spitfires....that sounds like a great idea :doh:


http://youtu.be/HirwnpeugNM

http://youtu.be/HirwnpeugNM

[ATAG_Colander]

How about Doctor Who taking on the Daleks in Spitfires....that sounds like a great idea :doh:

Exterminate! Exterminate!