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hnbdgr
Oct-30-2014, 07:08
http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/82-tutorials-and-manuals/

Lot of info. I'm sort of clueless as to 1942/43 aircraft advances in technology so please point out if something is modeled well or not. I've already noticed these things that the game handles differently:


Flying the lagg-3 offline yesterday, you can completely close the oil and water rad and still fly for good 5 minutes when you've got sufficient speed (500kmh)

109 has autolevel on expert settings (historical?) maybe other aircraft have that too?

109 has auto radiator control and no oil rad control

Pitch change reacts faster on 109

Elevator Trim almost never gets you into negative G on most aircraft

FM - related i think: Flying inverted upwards doesn't give you a redout.



If you've got any other observations please point them out.

Badger :salute:

TWC_Target
Oct-30-2014, 11:27
I tried to set the keys to control the radiator and oil cooler flaps on the 109 (non-automatic, RTCntl. +R), they don't seem to exist. Some have said there were no manual over-rides in the model. Some say there were.
Tried to set the prop pitch control for manual and it doesn't seem to work on the ground. I'm not able to make any observations beyond that because the game is too frustrating for me to bother with.

hnbdgr
Oct-30-2014, 11:36
I tried to set the keys to control the radiator and oil cooler flaps on the 109 (non-automatic, RTCntl. +R), they don't seem to exist. Some have said there were no manual over-rides in the model. Some say there were.
Tried to set the prop pitch control for manual and it doesn't seem to work on the ground. I'm not able to make any observations beyond that because the game is too frustrating for me to bother with.

There's 2 sets of oil radiator up & oil radiator down buttons (4 in total) The first 2 are actually misnamed water radiator. Those first 2 will work on the 109 in CloD-like fashion but you have to have a key bound to auto/manual water radiator control.

The other (standalone) water radiator binding option is best suited for an axis and is used on soviet planes more then german ones.

I didn't find a way to manage oil radiators on the 109. perhaps it's the second set of oil radiator buttons...? Now that I think of it i haven't tried that.

Binding the oil radiator command (standalone) as axis seems to work a-ok in soviet planes. Usually the standalone bindings are the ones are best suited for an axis

As for the pitch, I managed to get it working in the 109 but not the soviet planes. Guess they didn't have adjustable pitch? The 109 also requires a manual/auto pitch button bound. Best to use high pitch and low pitch and not one axis.

hope this makes sense, but yeah the way binding is done is overly complicated.

1lokos
Oct-30-2014, 12:38
109 has autolevel on expert settings (historical?) maybe other aircraft have that too?

"Autopilot for level flight" work in all BoS planes, in all difficult modes - game design, imported from RoF (in this due to non-existence of trim in most of WW I planes) (http://riseofflight.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=2564)...

BOS trim commands:

Stabilizer adjust - work only for BF 109, can be set on keys/buttons and axis.

Stabilizer adjust Up - work only for Fw 190, can be set on keys/buttons, but not in axis.

Stabilizer adjust Down - work only for Fw 190, can be set on keys/buttons, but not in axis.

Pitch trim Up - work for all others planes (that RL model have this trim), can be set on keys/buttons, but not in axis.

Pitch trim Down - work for all others planes (that RL model have this trim), can be set on keys/buttons, but not in axis.

The best way to deal with this is: use the same keys (I use Arrow Up and Arrow Down) for all these functions, so no need bother in know what key trim what plane.

Use the same principle for radiators, water and oil, and P.Pitch, that work on axis only in some planes (probable heritage of RoF models).

http://i59.tinypic.com/2r5amvq.jpg

I also fail to manually control Bf 109 oil radiator (just by curiosity).

Sokol1

1lokos
Nov-01-2014, 18:04
Engines limits - tested by guys of Russian forum (translated w/Google).

http://www.imagesup.net/?di=914148791078
http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/engine_limits-jpg

Sokol1

hnbdgr
Nov-02-2014, 09:02
Engines limits - tested by guys of Russian forum (translated w/Google).

http://www.imagesup.net/?di=914148791078
http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/engine_limits-jpg

Sokol1

This is all very useful thank you sokol! one question.. would you say the usual rule of thumb limits apply, e.g. 1 min on 100%, 5 min on combat power (80-85%)?