Whats "Ping"

[ATAG_Knuckles]

O.K. Gang time for me to fess up and admit sometime I have no bloody idea what your talking about. Though I would start this thread for those like me that "need a clue" So any that dont understand certain repeated terms "This threads for you"PING: heard of it for years, we all have it, some have good ping some have bad ping.What brought this on was a fellow on Server 1 was very up set that we allowed "XYZ" to log on to our server with a "Ping" over 300. Mine at the time was (22)He felt we should automatically boot anyone over a certain Ping (of course there were several other issues he had (as most of us do) with "XYZ". So I told him I would inquire: So I am inquiringBut First could you give a lesson on (Ping 101)"CTD" I know this is something about "stutters" in frame rates ????"FM" many references to FM concerning the up coming (oxymoron) patch.Thats it for now, certainly will be more as I notice themKnuckles :hiding:

[Doc]

Packet Internet Groper.

Shorthand PING.

Its the representation of how long (latency) it takes for your packets to get to a host such as ATAG server and back to your PC.

[Doc]

Using more technical speak ping is what people refer to that is actually part of a protocol called ICMP or Internet Control Message Protocol.

This is not meant to be all inclusive explanation for anyone reading I am just covering what you probably mean when someone tells you their ping sucks to the server. There are many types of ICMP used for various tasks.

Mostly nerds checking their connectivity between them and a remote host.

But then I DO have a set of PING golf clubs as well.

:bgsmile:

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Packet Internet Groper.Shorthand PING.Its the representation of how long (latency) it takes for your packets to get to a host such as ATAG server and back to your PC. Doc Great thanks: so here is the point to my thread, so please be understanding1st what is a packetbecause "XYZ"'s "packet" took longer than mine to get there and back (300) what effect is that on the server ?

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Using more technical speak ping is what people refer to that is actually part of a protocol called ICMP or Internet Control Message Protocol.

This is not meant to be all inclusive explanation for anyone reading I am just covering what you probably mean when someone tells you their ping sucks to the server. There are many types of ICMP used for various tasks.

Mostly nerds checking their connectivity between them and a remote host.

But then I DO have a set of PING golf clubs as well.

:bgsmile:

So : then does my "Ping" suck at 22 I am being serious as I am still a little lost on this

However all you guys that want to comment on my small "Ping" feel free I'm an ATAG member.

still wanna learn though

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hi Knucks,I'm no expert by a long shot, but I believe problems with warping occur when a player starts showing wildly varying pings, as opposed to a fairly constant high ping. The ATAG Server is physically located in Chicago, because I'm in "nearby" Toronto my ping is consistently in the 40 range. Someone in Eastern Europe could easily show a ping of 300 but experience no problem at all; the same for our players in Aussie.Thanks for handling this with the other player. If he is still concerned with another players's presence on the ATAG Server please don't hesitate to refer him directly to us via this forum's Private Mail -- and let you get back to enjoying the game! :)

[Doc]

I'm going to say it in its simplest terms as I can.

Consider a packet similar to a letter inside an envelope with an address to and from on it. But you send a succession of letters to me with the same amount of letters and no more than a given number of letters on the note inside. You number them in some way that helps me arrange it on my end to read it.

You send them to me and I open them all and organize them according to your numbering and I read the entire message,

Then I respond likewise. Doing the exact same process. But computers do them faster.

Think about how quickly these letters individual get to me as ping time.

That is better representation of latency. The packets will be a certain length usually 1000 to 1500 bytes and all reassembled at the other end to perform whatever commend you are trying to do at the remote end.


:thumbsup:

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Snapper good point about the private mail. As you know when someone is dissatisfied they will go to the first one with an "ATAG" in front of their name , Which they should !!!!! I will certainly reefer to the P.M. , as i know they will be addressed correctly.


Thanks

[Doc]

I kinda thought that was what he was asking. I have seen guys warp and my guess is when they actually (the player at the other end) locate me and see me they shutter and slow sown and they and me will see the warp. Also consider - some people just have a crappy connection - or they have a bunch a family on a crappy connect downloading - watching viral videos. Lots of reasons.

But to continue on...

They may have a PC that the frames just took a dump when they looked at me and on my end I see warping.

They will hear me and start acting wildly - then when they finally see me they start shuttering a bit and things go down there from there until things all get synced up and working smoothly again.

Lots of things can cause this. Too many to list. But trust me lots!!

[Tonka]

Ping = How quickly your computer can communicate with another as a measurement of time in milliseconds. A lower ping means you are communicating faster, which in turn means that aircraft position is updated more frequently.

CTD = Crash to Desktop/Launcher crash.

FM = Flight model.

Good post btw, the only stupid question is the one that is never asked!

[ATAG_Snapper]

@Knucks: Yeah, it's much better they take a problem to an ATAG member than get in some big fight on the chat (which happens :angry:). But I know when I'm flying on the server it's a pain to deal with crap like that -- I only get a limited amount of personal time to actually fly. Probably the same for you and most here, too.

Feel free (whether you're on chat or Teamspeak) to direct them to this forum and tell them to PM me. Then continue on with your flying with a clear conscience. As for me -- I'll just sic Bliss on 'em. He's NASTY! :shocked:

:bgsmile:

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Ping = How quickly your computer can communicate with another as a measurement of time in milliseconds. A lower ping means you are communicating faster, which in turn means that aircraft position is updated more frequently.

CTD = Crash to Desktop/Launcher crash.

FM = Flight model.

Good post btw, the only stupid question is the one that is never asked!

Good lord Tonka: somebody speaks kindergarten language !!!! all that makes perfect sense

[ATAG_Colander]

To make it a little easier to understand...

Computer A sends a PING internet message to computer B
Computer B replies to the PING message with a PONG message for computer A
Computer A calculates the time it took between sending PING and getting PONG.

Typically this means that the farther the physical distance between A and B, the longest the time it takes for the PONG message to arrive. Hence the higher "ping times".

Now, due to the nature of the internet, there are many factors that can affect this time...
Internet was designed to "drive" messages through any route available. The "chosen" route, is not necessarily the fastest/shortest and, in fact, can change on each message and even be different between "A to B" and "B to A".
Because of the above (and many other factors), your PING can change over time.

Hope this explains.

[Dutch]

could you give a lesson on Ping?

All I know, is that if you combine it with 'Pong', you get an interesting indoor game to play when it's raining.

Not much call for that in Arizona though, so I'll excuse your not knowing this important reason for the words' existence. :happy

[ATAG_Knuckles]

All I know, is that if you combine it with 'Pong', you get an interesting indoor game to play when it's raining.

Not much call for that in Arizona though, so I'll excuse your not knowing this important reason for the words' existence. :happy

Thank you Sir: I knew you would clear all this up :bgsmile: (as you usually do )

[ATAG_Torian]

Ping is also known as latency and rtt (round trip time). As has been noted above
is simply a measure of how fast information packets go from your pc to another pc
or a server (ATAGs game server in Chicago eg) and back to your pc.
The lower the number the closer u are to the other pc/server compared to some1
with a higher number if all connection factors are optimal.
So my ping in Australia and MrX's ping in eastern Russia is around 300ms compared
to Snapper's (40ms)who is next door to the server.
While broadband internet travels at the speed of light it has to directed to it's
destination via routes that we the customer don't have control over and
is often subject to the whims of the www (world wide wait). For eg in my remote
town there is only 1 fibre-optic cable that can only deliver a certain capactity. If
every1 in town is on the net watching the latest viral youtube clip then my
connection is competing with a couple of thousand other connections for the
finite amount of bandwidth available. ie A freeway is generally slower moving at
rush hour than at other times.
You can check your own connection to a given destination by opening a cmd
window and typing "tracert yourdestination.com" (without quotes) then hit enter.
So if u want to check your connection to ATAGs server open a cmd window by
going to Start and typing cmd into the search bar and hit enter. This will bring up
a DOS type window and type in "tracert 216.52.148.29" (without quotes and
make sure u put in a space between tracert and 216.) then hit enter. What u will
then see is a progressive listing of the "hops" or routes your connection takes to
the target destination and the time in milliseconds for each hop.
When I do a tracert to ATAGs server it takes 21 hops and one of the hops takes
over 300ms so that is the point at which my ping will be defined.
A ping of 300 in a flight sim isn't as bad as it would be in a first person shooter.
FPS games are fast close quarter games where ping is fairly critical when u need
to get your shot off b4 the other guy. In a flight sim movements are slower and
more calculated and the difference between a ping of 100 and a ping of 300 is
less of a problem. Where problems do occur is when ping fluctuates due to
circumstances beyond a players control or is deliberately manipulated to
fluctuate latency (eg having a download paused on another nearby pc and
starting it up when ur in trouble to create a deliberate warp.)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Torian wrote: " Where problems do occur is when ping fluctuates due to
circumstances beyond a players control or is deliberately manipulated to
fluctuate latency (eg having a download paused on another nearby pc and
starting it up when ur in trouble to create a deliberate warp.)"

Could we have a chart for that, please? Oops, sorry, wrong forum..... :bgsmile:

Thanks for the info on pings, packets, and everything else. This is a lot of stuff that I never knew. Now to get a second PC to run porno sites while I'm flying online. If Snapper gets in trouble, Debbie will do Dallas! :thumbsup:

[Doc]

http://www.ourgolfclubs.com/ou/images/upload/Image/ping_g15_irons(1).jpg

[III./ZG76_Keller]

@Knuckles - Ping is the sound you hear when my 8mm Spitzgeschoss mit Kern, Hart round hits your Blenny's engine block.

:bgsmile:

Sorry I had to, I had nothing worthwhile to add to this discussion. :thumbsup:

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Keller :::::: the funny thing is YOUR RIGHT !!!!:thumbsup:

[MADDMANN]

Also to note,

250 Ms is a 1/4 of a second delay or (lag)

500 Ms is a 1/2 of a second delay (more lag)

1000 Ms is a second of delay tween you and the computer you trying to game with. (horrible lag)

most game computers under admin control will boot you from the game near 300-350 Ms of delay to stop having lagging players in the map/game. 1st person shooters and all games ect.

lower ping is best. (like standing directly next to the person your talking to you hear every word clearly) *the CPU gets all information from you quickly and without packet loss
High ping horrible. (like shouting accross a canyon with a 1/2 mile gap you may not hear all the words and may need to ask WHAT? lol)* the game CPU waits for your CPU to reply not getting all the information sent (packet loss) then haning up the game connection (Boot for high ping)

[ATAG_Septic]

I was of the belief that the acronym was chosen to echo (pardon the pun) the noise of a sonar set. The value of 'ping' being the time it takes for your pc receive the echo back from its ping to a server.

Septic.