What is this ?

[Little_D]

Hi gents,

i was waiting as you a long time for the patch, but What is this ? a patch?
for me i dont know. i dont whant to start a war or something else and i dont know if others have the same problems. So i can only tell my problems with this patch. i change nothing in my grafic settings.

And i know : What we have today is a DX10-only alpha

grafik:

1. in the cockpit all instruments are low level (old better )
2. the gunsighn is in zoom lowlevel (old better )
3. something looks not right with the wings and flaps looks like they are not fitting right into the wing (old better)
4. no clouds ( old better)
5. lots of stutters ( old better )
6. the cabel from the trottle is not there i can see the ground ( old better)

flightmodel:

1. under 40 degres oil-temp, at fullpower you get enginproblems (new better)
2. oil-temp now under climb 1.3 ATA and 2200 rps goes to 70 degres not under ( new better) you need to watch more your oil and a lot more under fullpower .
3. water still no overheating or undercooling like oil. (both bad )
4. still not realy working slats ( Both bad )

would be interesting what the red players say about the new flightmodel.

for my grafic and gameplay the old staus was better even with this flightmoddel.

Lets hope the real patch is better.

still more testing is needed, but so far i dont know if this is realy a patch, and not more than an joke.


regards

Little_D

[Dutch]

still more testing is needed, but so far i dont know if this is realy a patch, and not more than an joke.
Little_D

If it's a joke, it's not very funny.:angry:

We can't try out the new RAF FM, because the throttles don't work properly.

[Peaveywolf]

Which is why I ain't converting at the min. Will stick with the old version til they come out with something which isn't there just to appease a small amount of people on the yellow forum who want something now.

[ATAG_Snapper]

If it's a joke, it's not very funny.:angry:

We can't try out the new RAF FM, because the throttles don't work properly.

I knew something wasn't quite right when I found myself trying to best 220 mph IAS in level flight at 2,000 feet in my Spitfire Ia going full throttle! :Grin:

[ATAG_Deacon]

I crash without fail after 20 minutes of flight. Last time was over the channel with nobody else around.

My view, 1C released whatever they could to shut up the criers and whiners. What we have now is infinitely worse than what we had...

[Dutch]

1C released whatever they could to shut up the criers and whiners. What we have now is infinitely worse than what we had...

Totally agree. See you on server 2.

[III./ZG76_Keller]

Guys, I was having CTD issues until I did this:

-Steam verify game files
-Delete cache
-re-install patch

Before I did this I crashed twice in 30 min, since I did it I flew 3 sorties without restarting and didn't crash at all.

[Dutch]

Guys, I was having CTD issues until I did this:

-Steam verify game files
-Delete cache
-re-install patch

Before I did this I crashed twice in 30 min, since I did it I flew 3 sorties without restarting and didn't crash at all.

I honestly don't care about the crashes, we've put up with them for so long it's just part of the game now.

But considering all the 'work' that went into the RAF a/c FMs, being unable to test them because of unmanageable throttle response is beyond taking the piss.

I really can't be arsed with this, and will be reverting to the previous version. If Ilya wants info, he can get it somewhere else.

Really at the end of my tether with this.:angry:

[III./ZG76_Keller]

I honestly don't care about the crashes, we've put up with them for so long it's just part of the game now.

But considering all the 'work' that went into the RAF a/c FMs, being unable to test them because of unmanageable throttle response is beyond taking the piss.

I really can't be arsed with this, and will be reverting to the previous version. If Ilya wants info, he can get it somewhere else.

Really at the end of my tether with this.:angry:

It fixed other things too Dutch, give it a shot. Hope it works.

[Dutch]

It fixed other things too Dutch, give it a shot. Hope it works.

Such as what?

[Peaveywolf]

Agree with Dutch, as I said above, released to quieten the yellow forum. I am sure it is good for some things, but not enough to sacrifice my gameplay as it is.

[ATAG_Snapper]

I wrote my thoughts, finished my glassful of Merlot, thought better of it, and deleted the whole thing. No good would come of it. Perhaps there will be a follow up patch soon to address the more glaring issues.

[ATAG_Knuckles]

A little odd for me: certainly did not notice anything visual. The engine management on the Blenheim is better. Full throttle give you 2400 rpm, at cruise prop course 5lb boost nets 1800 rpm att 200 mph. you can now just about completely close the gill at cruising. Course setter seems a bit off though at least 10 deg. set a course from littlestone 140 and wound up at Boulogne, tried 120 and hit "French Point.

never did make it to any target, shot down once two other time flack/pilot kill

[Dutch]

Perhaps there will be a follow up patch soon to address the more glaring issues.

Perhaps. Maybe soon. Maybe.

If this game was a company floated on the stockmarket right now, who would buy?

Confidence? Not me. Not yet.

[Catseye]

Certainly a not ready for prime-time beta!

Reverting back until the next mini-patch to patch the patch arrives, then will test again.

I've finally reached my fed-up point with Ilya and the boys!!!

Give it a good go guys. I'm happy for those that find good things but enough is enough. It's a puzzle how some folks are getting super frame-rates while the rest of us are experiencing reduced framerates and micro-stutters.

I hope ATAG considers moving the Beta to server 2 and keeping server 1 for the existing working version.

[III./ZG76_Keller]

Such as what?

If fixed the low rez gauges, though they sometimes appear when plane takes damage. It also reduced the stutters at ground level.

I should add that my launcher just crashed for the first time after my "fix" while following Boris in a JU-88 for 10 minutes. :pouting:

[Little_D]

Hi gents,

some other think i notice on testing:

109 FM:

1. All 109 are now more nerves around the nose.
2. the rudder is more sensetive
3. the E-3 is now trimmed for 300KM/H and still able to fly at ATA 1.3 and 2200 rpm with 50 degres
4. the E-4 is trimmed normal for 400 KM/H but goes to 70 degres at ATA 1.3 and 2200rpm under full power ATA1.35 temp goes to 80 degres

regards

Little_D

[Peaveywolf]

saying that, it is a beta for testing purposes. So we can't really complain.

[Tvrdi]

Hi gents,

i was waiting as you a long time for the patch, but What is this ? a patch?
for me i dont know. i dont whant to start a war or something else and i dont know if others have the same problems. So i can only tell my problems with this patch. i change nothing in my grafic settings.

And i know : What we have today is a DX10-only alpha

grafik:

1. in the cockpit all instruments are low level (old better )
2. the gunsighn is in zoom lowlevel (old better )
3. something looks not right with the wings and flaps looks like they are not fitting right into the wing (old better)
4. no clouds ( old better)
5. lots of stutters ( old better )
6. the cabel from the trottle is not there i can see the ground ( old better)

flightmodel:

1. under 40 degres oil-temp, at fullpower you get enginproblems (new better)
2. oil-temp now under climb 1.3 ATA and 2200 rps goes to 70 degres not under ( new better) you need to watch more your oil and a lot more under fullpower .
3. water still no overheating or undercooling like oil. (both bad )
4. still not realy working slats ( Both bad )

would be interesting what the red players say about the new flightmodel.

for my grafic and gameplay the old staus was better even with this flightmoddel.

Lets hope the real patch is better.

still more testing is needed, but so far i dont know if this is realy a patch, and not more than an joke.


regards

Little_D

same here mate.....will wait the final patch now...and then I will see what I will do with CLOD install

[Peaveywolf]

Well, I hate to tell you this guys, but the patch works fine for me. Ramped the graphics up to the top, with textures on original and all shadows on and it works 100% better on my machine. No stutter at all, even with full trees and grass. Did a lot of low level flying over London also, there is slowdown, but it is manageable to the point that I can easily go under bridges now. All I had to do was lower the building detail to medium. Spitfire engine cuttout is more jittery when pushing forward. I must add, this was tested on quick mission. But still, is 100% better than it was. Some of the cockpit dials do get a bit of blur when looking anywhere but forward, but I can live with that.

[Tvrdi]

I still have slowdowns (slideshow) when effects are near (dust, smoke etc). One example is when enemy plane i damaged is smoking and is close on my gunsight. Or when my plane is smoking after neg g effect in spit....

[Uther]

I don't have slowdowns with my little old rig, and gained more FPS, but now the CTD bug is killing me online, even after trying Kellers fix. The 110 cockpit is appallingly low res, I can't even read the instruments.
Heres hoping they come up with some mini patches bloody quick.

[Biggus]

A little odd for me: certainly did not notice anything visual. The engine management on the Blenheim is better. Full throttle give you 2400 rpm, at cruise prop course 5lb boost nets 1800 rpm att 200 mph. you can now just about completely close the gill at cruising. Course setter seems a bit off though at least 10 deg. set a course from littlestone 140 and wound up at Boulogne, tried 120 and hit "French Point.

never did make it to any target, shot down once two other time flack/pilot kill

I'm loving the Blen now, but I don't have engine running sounds under roughly 10% throttle. I get the pops and splutters of start up, but then silence. It's a bit disconcerting to be sitting between two huge radials idling and just about be able to hear a proverbial pin drop.

[ATAG_Knuckles]

I'm loving the Blen now, but I don't have engine running sounds under roughly 10% throttle. I get the pops and splutters of start up, but then silence. It's a bit disconcerting to be sitting between two huge radials idling and just about be able to hear a proverbial pin drop.

Biggus WOW thats not right: as they changed the radial sound especially at idle.
this patch is certainly bazzar !! I wish I could send you a sound wave of the idle sound its great (saying that does you absolutely no good at the moment though.)

If I see you on comm we will have to compare settings (on the Belin) see what else is off.
wonder what I might be missing ?????

[Biggus]

Biggus WOW thats not right: as they changed the radial sound especially at idle.
this patch is certainly bazzar !! I wish I could send you a sound wave of the idle sound its great (saying that does you absolutely no good at the moment though.)

If I see you on comm we will have to compare settings (on the Belin) see what else is off.
wonder what I might be missing ?????

I think it might be a problem with my installation. Septic just gave it a try and his works fine. In the last patch, I noticed that every now and then I'd jump in a Blen that didn't quite sound right. Somewhere along the line, I think I might have had a corrupted file that's causing me some dramas.

[Biggus]

Okay, this is a bit frustrating.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled, and I'm still missing the idle sound on the Blenheim. Any ideas?

[ATAG_Septic]

Hi Biggus,

I wish I could help old chap but can't think of anything. I can only suggest checking sound settings, it might be that you are missing sound channels? It all sounds quite different in stereo to surround and to some extent with head movement.

How are other sounds? Can you hear the engine off-line from an outside view?

Good luck old chap.

Septic

Great name btw, from a truly classic Carry On film I suspect?

[Biggus]

Hi Biggus,

I wish I could help old chap but can't think of anything. I can only suggest checking sound settings, it might be that you are missing sound channels? It all sounds quite different in stereo to surround and to some extent with head movement.

How are other sounds? Can you hear the engine off-line from an outside view?

Good luck old chap.

Septic

Great name btw, from a truly classic Carry On film I suspect?

Close, but no cigar. ;) It's Monty Python. My wife's name is Incontinentia. Incontinentia Buttox.

Now that you mention it, I did just get shot down, and the only thing I heard was, well, nothing. Just a whole lot of red text and a sudden, unexpected and most unwelcome dive into the Channel. I'll have a bit of a play. I've just opened a thread over at the yellow forum, we'll see what develops.


ETA: Something very strange is happening. The audio menu isn't exactly full of options or descriptions, so I played with the sliders a bit. My main sound slider was at the halfway point on the bar. I slid it up to full, and lo and behold, I've got an idle sound. Put main slider back to middle, and it's still there. So the problem is solved, but I still don't know exactly why it didn't work in the first place. There's something going on that isn't right, but I'm not going to dig too deeply at it, lest I end up with no sounds.

[Doc]

Flew the Blen last night it seems the engines are easier to use. Little slower. Any of you Blen guys confirm this?

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Yep: I assume a bit more realistic:

warms up much quicker
full throttle net 2400 rpm (used to be about 1/2 to get 2200 anything else would cook the engines)
acceleration is a bit slow but still will get 90 to 100 mph about 3/4 down the runway

establish climb, prop full coarse, 5 lbs boost which nets 1800 rpm with a cruise speed of 200.

in level flight you can now close the cowl flaps (gills) about 90%

seem a bit more true to the aircraft, although I miss the 230 mph, it was difficult for fighter escort to keep up

[Dutch]

Re Blen: More power is available with weak mixture on take-off and at sea level, rather than rich, which seems arse about face to me, but there you go.

[ATAG_Knuckles]

Re Blen: More power is available with weak mixture on take-off and at sea level, rather than rich, which seems arse about face to me, but there you go.

WHAT the mixture works now ???????

[Doc]

Weak mixture?

[Biggus]

As in running fully lean. It's counter-intuitive, I suspect that they've just made everything 180 degrees from what it should be.

My own flights tonight make me fairly happy with the engines. They'll still overheat around the 250 degree mark, but they cool quickly. I have been pretty conservative, cruising at 4.5psi with cowl flaps at about 25% and it's happy to cruise with fairly lowish head temps. I could probably close the cowls a bit more and put up with the higher temps, but for now I'm happy that I haven't burned a single engine unintentionally.

[Dutch]

WHAT the mixture works now ???????

Sure does. As stated in the patch readme, mixture now two position, rich and lean.

[Little_D]

Hi gents,

after some hours of testing and changing grafic-settings and some other ingame-settings i have to say it start to work for me, 3 CTD`s so far :bgsmile:.

my fps goes from :
min 30 to 45, avarage 40 to 60 and max 50 to 80.

my system:

AMD 64 X2 6000+ 3,0 GHz, 4 GB RAM DDR2 800 MHz, GTX 560 TI 2GB, so not realy a racer :blush!:.

grafic settings:

resolution 1280*1024 19", every thing on high, exept bulidings both on low, no SSAO etc., grass, shadows and roads on.

ingamesettings:

skindownload turned off

still some stutters but i think its the skindownload from other players when i/they get close to me/them.

regards

Little_D

[Doc]

Hi Little_D

Set log=1 and send your dump files in to them. This will be addressed. :thumbsup: