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Mysticpuma
Mar-13-2015, 13:08
Sorry for the delay in this update, I am still busy with other projects and it was only decided last-night that we would show the first of something new from our team of modellers :)

So, this video starts with England and the textures which are constantly WiP but are even further improved from the last version shown. The video is a comparison video so you can see current and new WiP version. Hopefully you'll see the difference which makes England look a lot more natural?

Behind the scenes work continues building the new map and adding textures, along with new models for it. We are always on the lookout for talented modellers so if you know how to use either Blender or 3D max (or other 3D modelling app.) and can work through the process of creating the model, UV map and texturing we are keen to hear from you. Please check out this thread:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11129

I'm sorry it's a small update....but I think if you watch the video until the end....the community will certainly have something to discuss :)


As always many thanks to Artist for his Bugtracker reports featured here:

From the Team Fusion Bugtracker (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de)

The bugtracker (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/projects/il2clodtf) keeps accumulating data: Since the last published update on February, 13th, 20 new users brought the total up to 846 registered users of which 82 have been active since then. We currently have 170 open issues (116 bugs and 54 feature requests). 2 have already been resolved with patch 4.312 and 17 are currently in progress (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/projects/il2clodtf/issues?set_filter=1&f[]=status_id&op[status_id]=%3D&v[status_id][]=2&f[]=&c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=author&c[]=updated_on&c[]=category&c[]=votes_value&group_by=) to be fixed or implemented.

6 new issues have been raised since the last update, among them are (no judgment implied): Feature Request #735 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/735): "Redesign "Tab 7-1" Direction Heading" (Feedback) Feature Request #734 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/734): "stereoscopic compatibility " (Feedback) Reported Bug #730 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/730): "Maidstone airfield" (New)

The issues with the highest (summary) vote currently are:
46: #581 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/581): "RAF fighter engines incorrectly start cold in Multiplayer" (New) 37: #614 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/614): "Large cloud formations do not appear in replay of track (.TRK) files" (New) 35: #602 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/602): "Defensive AI Gunner Skill Levels Set Too High" (New) 33: #610 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/610): "Navigational Illumination Functionality: Smudge pots, Glim Lamps" (In Progress) 31: #589 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/589): "Hawker Hurricane start up" (New)

There are a number of issues set on "Feedback". We kindly ask the authors to respond:
#489 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/489): "All Static Objects should have a destroyed model #604 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/604): "Blenheim: fuel cocks incorrectly labeled #669 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/669): "Bf 110: Navigational Lights #670 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/670): "Bf 110: Landing Lights #707 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/707): "Map near Folkestone #716 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/716): "Texture #718 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/718): "Ju-88: Sight cannot be moved to the left and to right #731 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/731): "BR-20 bomb aimer CTD #732 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/732): "Fiat BR-20 bomb aimind device can only be set to 2.700 meters #733 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/733): "Hurricane Mk I Rotol 100: Course setter #734 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/734): "stereoscopic compatibility #735 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/735): "Redesign "Tab 7-1" Direction Heading

We invite all pilots to participate in the bugtracker either by reporting bugs, requesting features, and/or vote on issues. But before you do anything, please read the guidelines and FAQ here: http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/projects/il2clodtf/boards/4
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Here's the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDxv7RZW7k

https://youtu.be/KXDxv7RZW7k


In two weeks I'll release another video showing a further new model and trust me it will I think ignite the forums with interest (as much as this one has if not more?)

Cheers, MP

ATAG_Snapper
Mar-13-2015, 13:11
Lay that video on us, MP!! :thumbsup:

:salute:

Mysticpuma
Mar-13-2015, 13:15
Well I have but it only shows the link, for some reason the embed video isn't working :(

So you'll have to click on the link and visit youtube...sorry :)

Topgum
Mar-13-2015, 13:19
good to hear from busy Teamfusionteam. Good Work in Progress :thumbsup:
Go ahead, TG

ATAG_Ribbs
Mar-13-2015, 13:28
I love the new and improved England textures.. Nice progress on the new aircraft also! S!

Ribbs

235 Sqn. Coldstreamer (QJ-X)
Mar-13-2015, 13:38
Can i put the Cat among the pigeons here, and add another heart attack for you guys!


New landscape looks brilliant, Are green and pleasant land has never looked better. In June and July. - updated Landscape

I'm afraid are green and pleasant land looks washed out in august, sept, and october. (if we've had abit of a summer that is!!!) - old landscape

see where i'm going

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-13-2015, 13:40
Was it my impression or.. we have to hear the engine spitfire more closely insted of just looking at ground textures? (wich are lovely btw)

LARRY69
Mar-13-2015, 13:44
AHHH.....:) Thanks TF!!

http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r739/larry691/9_11_zpsiihno0cb.jpg~original

Chuck_Owl
Mar-13-2015, 13:46
I did notice a slight change in the Merlin sound. Can't wait to see what the next update has in store.

IIJG27Rich
Mar-13-2015, 13:47
AHHH.....:) Thanks TF!!

http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r739/larry691/9_11_zpsiihno0cb.jpg~original

I thought that's what it was

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-13-2015, 13:49
From the interweb


The Martlet was the lend-leased version of the American F4F-4 Wildcat fighter. Featured folding wings, armor, self-sealing fuel tanks and six 50 cal. machine guns.

The first Martlets were originally built for France, but after the the nation's surrender to the Germans, the order was redirected to Great Britain.

These aircraft went to serve aboard British carriers, being the primary fighter of the FAA until lend-leased Hellcats and Corsairs arrived.

A carrier? A CARRIER! A CARRIER!

duko
Mar-13-2015, 14:05
How soon tm ? :-)

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-13-2015, 14:09
From Bliss post, back in 2013... its a old picture! Must be so much better nowdays!!






Now if that wasn't enough to wet the appetite, imagine trying to land on this - The HMS Illustrious Carrier! VERY MUCH WORK IN PROGRESS!!!

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4990/hmsillustriouscarrier.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/hmsillustriouscarrier.jpg/)

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3958/hmsillustriouscarrier2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/hmsillustriouscarrier2.jpg/)

And WAAAAAAAAAY down the road. What do you think of Malta?

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8908/malta02.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/malta02.jpg/)

Mysticpuma
Mar-13-2015, 14:10
"How soon?"

Before England win another football world cup :)

Volunteer
Mar-13-2015, 14:15
Can i put the Cat among the pigeons here, and add another heart attack for you guys!


New landscape looks brilliant, Are green and pleasant land has never looked better. In June and July. - updated Landscape

I'm afraid are green and pleasant land looks washed out in august, sept, and october. (if we've had abit of a summer that is!!!) - old landscape

see where i'm going

I completely agree with you, Coldstreamer! Both landscapes are good at their appropriate time of year.

Team Fusion rocks! :IAG:

Continu0
Mar-13-2015, 14:48
"How soon?"

Before England win another football world cup :)

yay, finally we have a date!

Great update! Now... how does the F4 compare to the 109e? :D

Mysticpuma
Mar-13-2015, 14:55
When you see the next update you'll have many more questions than that :)

Continu0
Mar-13-2015, 15:02
When you see the next update you'll have many more questions than that :)

sigh.... that teasing... a striper couldn`t do better...

Kling
Mar-13-2015, 15:02
Real picture of summer landscape...
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/538/Vw2PsN.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyVw2PsNj)

WIP
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/dUxzZc.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eydUxzZcj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/JPEhLK.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ipJPEhLKj)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/nhSRuv.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eynhSRuvj)

Continu0
Mar-13-2015, 15:05
love how towns and buildings are much better integrated into the whole picture!

KansasCS
Mar-13-2015, 15:09
nice video!

anyone who wants stereoscopic gaming to work, please upvote #734! :-)

Kling
Mar-13-2015, 15:12
love how towns and buildings are much better integrated into the whole picture!

Yes towns and buildings have received an update too.

IIJG27Rich
Mar-13-2015, 15:49
When you see the next update you'll have many more questions than that :)

:doh:

ATAG_Flare
Mar-13-2015, 15:53
Awesome update. Can't wait for two weeks, that'll be my present when I get back from these darned holidays! I miss CloD :( Seems like TF is getting closer, keep up the good work guys!

Flare

Falco
Mar-13-2015, 15:56
Thanks TF, great update:salute:

ATAG_Dave
Mar-13-2015, 16:03
Another grat update - and yet more teasing :-P

Keep up the great work TF :salute:

DUI
Mar-13-2015, 16:17
Nice, nice! The whole update came as a surprise, even more the new plane! :stunned:

The landscape is looking better and better every time. Great work!

zionid
Mar-13-2015, 18:10
Very nice!

Beatiful 3d work and lovely terrain and towns/city texture!

Any plans of giving France an update as well?

Nice to see that things are progressing well:)

Fanakapan
Mar-13-2015, 19:08
Certainly not wanting to seem pedantic, but, the thought occurs regarding English summer landscape, that in the summer of 1940 Britain was already getting into Dig for Victory mode, with much more land being put to the plough. I'm wondering if comparisons with modern aerial pictures might be somewhat misleading ?

The pressure was really on to get as much land as possible into food production, with farmers who were thought to be uncooperative even having their farms confiscated, and in at least one instance resulting in a mini shoot out with the local constabulary.

vranac
Mar-13-2015, 19:30
Nice :thumbsup:

One screenshot from a new theater would do much better though ;-)

:recon:

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-13-2015, 20:14
The old landscape is just a bit more august !! Don't trough it away !!
A f4 ... now the 109 cant outdive that one .. its a stone with wings. :-)

varrattu
Mar-14-2015, 04:57
Thank you Team Fusion. Pretty 3d work.

Can we expect some small fixes concerning Ju87 / Ju88?

For example Bug Tracker #616 & #630 (stronger brakes), #618 & #709 (dive brake indicators), missing Bosch horn warning sound.

Thanks ~V~

Gix
Mar-14-2015, 06:47
good to have nice Spring Green.
About Map, does TF work on pool effect that appears when we look from far away? maybe it is written somewhere, but I haven't seen....
But it is maybe more a graphic subject!

Continu0
Mar-14-2015, 07:11
good to have nice Spring Green.
About Map, does TF work on pool effect that appears when we look from far away? maybe it is written somewhere, but I haven't seen....
But it is maybe more a graphic subject!

if you talk about the rivers being displayed to wide, thats solved afaik...

Gix
Mar-14-2015, 07:52
thank you, yes it is exactly what I am talking about.
last time I fly it was still there:)

GERMANWOLF
Mar-14-2015, 08:22
15993:salute:

ATAG_Lewis
Mar-14-2015, 09:15
Excellent Video and update...Wow...so exciting..it feels like Christmas...again!...Gotta love these updates..

Wolfskid
Mar-14-2015, 11:15
And a another great update from an nice guy:salute:...

Thank you very much @MP, and last but not least dont forget @ TF:recon:
for the Good News...:)

Kling
Mar-14-2015, 11:37
Guys just be aware that youtube tends to make things look greener than they are. Pictures give it more correct colours.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/537/tB65N9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/extB65N9j)

and
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/540/FQR9v6.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/f0FQR9v6j)

and
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/673/8af0ZN.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/ip8af0ZNj)

ATAG_Freya
Mar-14-2015, 12:24
looks GREAT!!!! Nice work! Thanks for the update :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

JG4_sKylon
Mar-14-2015, 12:25
I think they say "the grass is alway more green at the other side of the fence"...? :D

Flyingblind
Mar-14-2015, 13:32
Looking brilliant. Pleased to see those modern crop spraying tracks in the fields are going. :salute:

MJDixon
Mar-14-2015, 13:42
Great work! That Martlet reminds me of University (he says, as if it wasn't only last year) as I did an animation of the Martlet Undercarriage for one of my projects. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVueyGAsX7E)

:salute:

Continu0
Mar-14-2015, 13:49
Great work! That Martlet reminds me of University (he says, as if it wasn't only last year) as I did an animation of the Martlet Undercarriage for one of my projects. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVueyGAsX7E)

:salute:

uh, looks like you could be of help for team fusion:D

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-14-2015, 14:10
Great work! That Martlet reminds me of University (he says, as if it wasn't only last year) as I did an animation of the Martlet Undercarriage for one of my projects. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVueyGAsX7E)

:salute:

PM sent.

MJDixon
Mar-14-2015, 15:36
Thanks, though the 3d stuff I did for the course was more Engineering based than the programs they use for software development (as it was for part of an Aeronautics course rather than a Computing/3D Design course), but I'll look into the different software and see if I can pick it up. :salute:

major_setback
Mar-14-2015, 15:44
The old landscape is just a bit more august !! Don't trough it away !!
A f4 ... now the 109 cant outdive that one .. its a stone with wings. :-)

I agree.
The present (TF4/TF4.31) landscape looks great as a late summer or early autumn landscape. It would be a great shame if we couldn't keep both.

Mudcat
Mar-14-2015, 15:52
So the Martlet? TF 5.00? or beyond? :salute: Also if I can be in assistance in any way with it, even if it is just information gathering I'd be glad to help and no I don't know 3d modeling :D

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-14-2015, 17:57
My wife says... I see no road activity. . ?? No cars or bicycling. .. Wel there is a chimney smoking at that house I said..

sw1ive
Mar-14-2015, 18:39
thanks TF !!!

II/JG77_RC
Mar-15-2015, 01:25
Very nice Stuff.

With these improved textures, does that mean we will see less jaggies down low over land as well ? ?

reef
Mar-15-2015, 14:03
Keep up the great work:salute:

Oersted
Mar-15-2015, 16:20
Great work! That Martlet reminds me of University (he says, as if it wasn't only last year) as I did an animation of the Martlet Undercarriage for one of my projects. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVueyGAsX7E)


Nice animation! - That mechanism: they didn't call it the "Grumman Iron Works" for nothing... :-)

As always, thanks SO MUCH for the update, exciting!!

NNFFL=Clovis=
Mar-15-2015, 18:19
Looks good!

heinkill
Mar-15-2015, 18:21
"How soon?"

Before England win another football world cup :)

You wants to concentrate on yer bloody cricket you chaps.

Bangladesh!

Seriously?!

H

Randale
Mar-15-2015, 23:12
Much better terrain to parachute into...

Randale

LBR=H.Ostermann
Mar-16-2015, 10:28
S!

Nice Work guys, and the new plane is a great surprise for me.

:thumbsup:

No.54 Roll_e (KL-A)
Mar-16-2015, 19:15
Nice :thumbsup:

One screenshot from a new theater would do much better though ;-)

:recon:

I'm obliged to agree - textures are, great. The thing is - the textures/general appearance of the ORIGINAL game are STILL streaks ahead of any rival to CloD.
A new theatre and new aircraft will be -the only- saviour of this game in my humble, uneducated uninformed unimportant opinion ( though if you ask around you might find that this is the opinion of the masses).

This is not criticism, I genuinely love and appreciate the hard work of anyone trying to improve my favourite game. It is my love of this game that compels me the write this. I wish I could help though I lack your skills and abilities.

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-16-2015, 19:29
Now the textures are even farther ahead of our rivals. :D

Oh, and ask and you shall receive:

16014

:-P

All in good fun.

ATAG_Flare
Mar-17-2015, 01:30
Now the textures are even farther ahead of our rivals. :D

Oh, and ask and you shall receive:

16014

:-P

All in good fun.

Oh, what plane is that? Martlet? Wellington? I don't know . . .

Kling
Mar-17-2015, 13:17
I'm obliged to agree - textures are, great. The thing is - the textures/general appearance of the ORIGINAL game are STILL streaks ahead of any rival to CloD.
A new theatre and new aircraft will be -the only- saviour of this game in my humble, uneducated uninformed unimportant opinion ( though if you ask around you might find that this is the opinion of the masses).

This is not criticism, I genuinely love and appreciate the hard work of anyone trying to improve my favourite game. It is my love of this game that compels me the write this. I wish I could help though I lack your skills and abilities.

You are right of course! But we must not forget that even when Clod goes, beyond 1940 all the way up until 1945, the Central European theater of operations must be updated as the game moves along. New theaters that are coming, will not make the Central European theater useless. The current area of Clod is just as exciting in 1941-1945 as any other theater of operation. ;)
New planes will make it even better on top of that ;)
Updating the current map does nothing to slow down the progress of the other areas of the new patch as people with Photoshop skills are not the same as the people who have the skill for coding, effects, FMs, DMs etc etc.

Volunteer
Mar-17-2015, 13:57
You are right of course! But we must not forget that even when Clod goes, beyond 1940 all the way up until 1945, the European theater of operations must be updated as the game moves along. New theaters that are coming, will not make the European theater useless. The current area of Clod is just as exciting in 1941-1945 as any other theater of operation. ;)
New planes will make it even better on top of that ;)
Updating the current map does nothing to slow down the progress of the other areas of the new patch as people with Photoshop skills are not the same as the people who have the skill for coding, effects, FMs, DMs etc etc.

Kling: is TF looking for people with Photoshop skills? If so, what is needed?

Kling
Mar-17-2015, 14:09
Kling: is TF looking for people with Photoshop skills? If so, what is needed?

Oh no not really, mainly TF is looking for people with skills in 3d programming. Do you have any of those? :)

Volunteer
Mar-17-2015, 14:25
Oh no not really, mainly TF is looking for people with skills in 3d programming. Do you have any of those? :)

No; only photoshop ... :sad!:

Blitzen
Mar-17-2015, 19:12
Malta+ Carrier=:)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-18-2015, 05:30
Just keep calm men. It'll get here when it gets here :salute:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-In_WMo4LWg&feature=youtu.be

Baffin
Mar-18-2015, 10:53
The difference is much more dramatic than I expected. In fact, it almost looks like a different place. Is it possible to add the new textures for an improved map, while retaining the old version in order to offer the original view on a seasonal or even random schedule?

In other words, they are different enough to give occasional "Different looks" to the same mission scenario...

312_Tygr
Mar-19-2015, 05:53
Just keep calm men. It'll get here when it gets here :salute:

...and what's the point of posting a WT screenshot, as a video, no less? :ind:

hnbdgr
Mar-19-2015, 06:08
...and what's the point of posting a WT screenshot, as a video, no less? :ind:

It pictures 2 plane types we'll be getting
It most probably pictures malta
The audio invokes atmosphere of excitement

IIJG27Rich
Mar-19-2015, 13:09
...and what's the point of posting a WT screenshot, as a video, no less? :ind:

Had now idea it was WT :(

IIJG27Rich
Mar-19-2015, 13:15
...and what's the point of posting a WT screenshot, as a video, no less? :ind:

Had now idea it was WT. I found it on a picture search with google and hit view picture and saved it. I thought I nailed three topics in one. My blunder:doh:

ATAG_Snapper
Mar-19-2015, 13:50
Had now idea it was WT. I found it on a picture search with google and hit view picture and saved it. I thought I nailed three topics in one. My blunder:doh:

I thought it was funny........

:)

JG4_sKylon
Mar-19-2015, 14:20
It pictures 2 plane types we'll be getting
It most probably pictures malta
The audio invokes atmosphere of excitement

I´ve heard the word about a 109-F. After checking the TF videos again i still have no idea where the word comes from?
Any hint please?

IIJG27Rich
Mar-19-2015, 14:39
I´ve heard the word about a 109-F. After checking the TF videos again i still have no idea where the word comes from?
Any hint please?

Here's all of the 109 F screens from TF update videos I know of sKylon


16039
16040
16041
16042

JG4_sKylon
Mar-19-2015, 14:55
Thank you Rich!

The first one (cockpit) i have seen at the very end of a TF video (blocks and pieces?) where they show some shots of the E7. For me the cockpits look identical, only some small differences in the coloring of some parts.

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-19-2015, 15:34
109F is part of TF 5.0 release.

Continu0
Mar-19-2015, 15:36
yay!

JG4_sKylon
Mar-19-2015, 15:38
Thank you Buzzsaw!
But i am still curious... did the video show the cockpit of the Friedrich?

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-19-2015, 15:41
Thank you Buzzsaw!
But i am still curious... did the video show the cockpit of the Friedrich?

We did show some preliminary pics of the F cockpit.

ATAG_Flare
Mar-19-2015, 16:56
Is there confirmation on what Spitfire marks TF 5 is bringing?

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-19-2015, 18:29
Is there confirmation on what Spitfire marks TF 5 is bringing?

No. :P

But rest assured... there will be the appropriate Spitfires and Hurricanes to match the 109's.

IIJG27Rich
Mar-19-2015, 18:43
Thank you Buzzsaw!
But i am still curious... did the video show the cockpit of the Friedrich?


You have to watch right to the end sKylon and the F cockpit flashes on for about 1/20 of a second



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF6yJ47sXgY

JG4_sKylon
Mar-19-2015, 19:18
Hi again Rich,

thats the picture i was talking about. At 7:01 one can see a cockpit, but it looks absolutely similar to the cockpit shown for the E7 earlier in the video.
At least for me :-)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-19-2015, 20:21
We will have to wait and see what it looks like when it's done :salute:

Blitzen
Mar-19-2015, 23:20
Oh my The 109F & Malta ..it may be sometime before I go back to BoS!:stunned:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Battle%20of%20Stalingrad/2014_11_2__0_54_29_zps1a14e18b.png (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/jamesdietz/media/Battle%20of%20Stalingrad/2014_11_2__0_54_29_zps1a14e18b.png.html)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-20-2015, 02:35
It will be awesome.:recon:

II/JG77_RC
Mar-20-2015, 06:09
Regarding 109 E7 and 109F's. Absolutely wonderful news !

One thing tho . . .

Let your voice be heard !

Vote AGAINST the Full Armor Plate in the back of the cockpit in all upcoming variants of the 109:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14300&highlight=half+plate

:) :salute:

Volunteer
Mar-20-2015, 06:29
Vote AGAINST the Full Armor Plate in the back of the cockpit in all upcoming variants of the 109:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14300&highlight=half+plate

:) :salute:

Would you explain why, please?

JG4_sKylon
Mar-20-2015, 06:58
Would you explain why, please?

Follow the link, all explained there :salute:

Osprey
Mar-20-2015, 08:25
With the F arriving, although Buzzsaw hasn't said so, you can all but guarantee the Spit Vb with cannons. :thumbsup:

With that we have rhubarbs and circuses on the Channel map = 2 theatres in one patch

IIJG27Rich
Mar-20-2015, 13:41
When patch 5 comes out we'll all have to start eating bully beef dog biscuits and donkey meat so we can get the fully immersive effect of food poisoning. Don't forget the STDs either from Cairo :)

Chivas
Mar-20-2015, 13:47
With the F arriving, although Buzzsaw hasn't said so, you can all but guarantee the Spit Vb with cannons. :thumbsup:

With that we have rhubarbs and circuses on the Channel map = 2 theatres in one patch

This is a point that a lot of people miss, in the evolution of new theaters, and old.

IIJG27Rich
Mar-20-2015, 13:54
http://www.deroeck.co.uk/Spitfire-pictures/Spitfire-Mk-Vb-JG891-01.jpg


That would be the one to have. I really like that Spitfire. I like every thing about the desert..accept for the food

Swoop
Mar-21-2015, 13:51
That was a real labour of love and probably not as much fun as making a new plane or ship. kling's shots show it off really well, looks great.

I remeber MP saying this was map makeover was complete and talked of a mini updater that could allow incremental updates, like this map, out the door instead of waiting for patch 5. I'm crossing everything TF release this next as we might get much more mini software updates regularly when stuff is ready.

422nd_RedSkull
Mar-22-2015, 00:53
The future of IL2 CloD (I hope so :-) )

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/11082391_1728981550661544_1909782836170843985_o.jp g

IIJG27Rich
Mar-22-2015, 11:27
Great art work RedSkull. There's quite a lot of Mediterranean art work out there depicting the air battles. I love that F4!

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7613/16272195964_8de92e38b9_b.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb322/IIJG27Rich/MaltaGeorgeCrossHi_zpsxqtnxlth.jpg~original

LizLemon
Mar-23-2015, 04:18
"In October 1940 804 Squadron was re-equipped with Martlet I fighters, and first operated the new fighters out of RNAS Skaebrae in the Orkney Islands in October 1940. On 25 December 1940, two of the squadron '​s Martlets shot down a Junkers Ju 88 off Scapa Flow, thus scoring the first aerial victory in Europe by an American-made aircraft in history and the first by any variant of the Grumman F4F Wildcat."

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:-)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-23-2015, 10:30
I found this one


http://www.gengriz.co.uk/RNPropsweb/wpimages/wpa412b3ac_05_06.jpg

422nd_RedSkull
Mar-23-2015, 18:12
A Martlet in ours days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEbFCgCVnHw

A modified version of the U.S. Navy's F4F, the Grumman Model G-36A provided the Royal Navy with its first high-performance single-seat monoplane carrier fighter. Named "Martlet I" in British service, these 81 aircraft had originally been ordered by France and were taken over by the British after France surrendered. Powered by 1,240 horsepower Wright "Cyclone" radial engines, the first "Martlets" entered service in September 1940, and achieved the first "kill" for any American-built fighter in British service on Christmas day of that year, when a German Ju-88 was forced down near Scapa Flow.

Several other versions of the design followed in 1941. The 100 "Martlet II" and 30 "Martlet III" types had 1,200 horsepower Pratt & Whitney "Twin Wasp" engines, like the American F4Fs. Most "Martlet IIs" also had folding wings. These early "Martlets" had considerable combat service, flying from shore bases and from aircraft carriers, including the pioneer escort carrier, HMS Audacity. Very maneuverable by European standards, and heavily armed, they were a serious threat to enemy aircraft.

The "Cyclone" powered Grumman F4F-4B, a type built solely for transfer to the British, became the "Martlet IV". Like later versions of the design, these 220 planes were provided through Lend-Lease, rather than by sale, and were delivered starting in 1942. Next in the series were over 300 "Martlet Vs", identical to the U.S. Navy's General Motors-built FM-1, with Pratt & Whitney engines. Surviving units of these two types were redesignated "Wildcat IV" and "Wildcat V" in January 1944. There were also 340 "Wildcat VI" fighters, the equivalent to the USN's FM-2. The first of these arrived in 1944.

The later British "Martlets" and "Wildcats" were extensively used at sea, primarily based on escort carriers though some were also carried aboard fleet carriers. In addition to anti-submarine work, teamed with "Swordfish" strike aircraft, they participated in amphibious operations in the Mediterranean and Normandy, helped make oceanic aerial reconnaissance unhealthy for the German air force and successfully competed with enemy fighters for control of the air over European shores.

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javelina
Mar-23-2015, 18:21
A Martlet in ours days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEbFCgCVnHw

A modified version of the U.S. Navy's F4F, the Grumman Model G-36A provided the Royal Navy with its first high-performance single-seat monoplane carrier fighter. Named "Martlet I" in British service, these 81 aircraft had originally been ordered by France and were taken over by the British after France surrendered. Powered by 1,240 horsepower Wright "Cyclone" radial engines, the first "Martlets" entered service in September 1940, and achieved the first "kill" for any American-built fighter in British service on Christmas day of that year, when a German Ju-88 was forced down near Scapa Flow.

Several other versions of the design followed in 1941. The 100 "Martlet II" and 30 "Martlet III" types had 1,200 horsepower Pratt & Whitney "Twin Wasp" engines, like the American F4Fs. Most "Martlet IIs" also had folding wings. These early "Martlets" had considerable combat service, flying from shore bases and from aircraft carriers, including the pioneer escort carrier, HMS Audacity. Very maneuverable by European standards, and heavily armed, they were a serious threat to enemy aircraft.

The "Cyclone" powered Grumman F4F-4B, a type built solely for transfer to the British, became the "Martlet IV". Like later versions of the design, these 220 planes were provided through Lend-Lease, rather than by sale, and were delivered starting in 1942. Next in the series were over 300 "Martlet Vs", identical to the U.S. Navy's General Motors-built FM-1, with Pratt & Whitney engines. Surviving units of these two types were redesignated "Wildcat IV" and "Wildcat V" in January 1944. There were also 340 "Wildcat VI" fighters, the equivalent to the USN's FM-2. The first of these arrived in 1944.

The later British "Martlets" and "Wildcats" were extensively used at sea, primarily based on escort carriers though some were also carried aboard fleet carriers. In addition to anti-submarine work, teamed with "Swordfish" strike aircraft, they participated in amphibious operations in the Mediterranean and Normandy, helped make oceanic aerial reconnaissance unhealthy for the German air force and successfully competed with enemy fighters for control of the air over European shores.

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thanks for the bit of history! love this bird. :thumbsup:

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-23-2015, 20:50
Nice post and info.

I must point out the video doesn't show an F4, instead its the later model built by the Eastern Aircraft Division of GM and is either an FM-1 or FM-2... I think its an FM-2 due to the sound and prop since the FM-1 used the same engine and prop as the F4F-4. Grumman needed to free up manufacturing during the later years of the war for the Hellcat so they made the switch to GM.

You can tell with the exhaust dumps on the side rather then the F4's underneath just ahead of the gear. You can also listen to the engine too, the FM-2's didn't use the double row P&W twin wasp that the F4 and FM-1's used.

Also cool, the Wildcat/Martlet saw action in virtually every theatre of WWII. The channel, Norway, Atlantic, Med, Africa, Madagascar, India, Pacific, etc... and arguably did the most damage in the Pacific although it was, on paper inferior to the Zero. By the time the Hellcats and Corsairs got to their units and racked up insane kill ratios, a lot of the vet Japanese pilots were already gone due to the victories at Coral Sea, Midway, and Solomon Islands... battles where the F4F was key.

I think the Wildcat is one of the most underrated, under appreciated aircraft in the history of air combat.


F4:
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FM-2:
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And for those of you Brits, here is one showing a US Sailor with a WREN peeling off the US markings to reveal the RAF markings underneath for a publicity photo:
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javelina
Mar-23-2015, 21:54
Also cool, the Wildcat/Martlet saw action in virtually every theatre of WWII. The channel, Norway, Atlantic, Med, Africa, Madagascar, India, Pacific, etc... and arguably did the most damage in the Pacific although it was, on paper inferior to the Zero. By the time the Hellcats and Corsairs got to their units and racked up insane kill ratios, a lot of the vet Japanese pilots were already gone due to the victories at Coral Sea, Midway, and Solomon Islands... battles where the F4F was key.

I think the Wildcat is one of the most underrated, under appreciated aircraft in the history of air combat.




Interesting stat, all of those Theatre's. I agree, this little Devil was under appreciated, but sure made a big statement.

TWC_SLAG
Mar-23-2015, 22:04
The Wildcat was, like all Grumman products, built strong (heavy). So, I'm wondering if it could out dive an Me109?

badfinger

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-23-2015, 22:27
The Wildcat was, like all Grumman products, built strong (heavy). So, I'm wondering if it could out dive an Me109?

badfinger

Not sure on that, but it could dive like a ton of bricks. It was mainly used by the Brits as a shipping escort and submarine hunter. :D

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-23-2015, 22:37
The Wildcat was, like all Grumman products, built strong (heavy). So, I'm wondering if it could out dive an Me109?

badfinger

Comparison with 109's off the top of my head:

- Quite a bit slower than either E or F (max. speed of 320 mph at altitude... similar to Hurri I)

- Better high speed maneuverability than E, comparable to F

- Quite a bit better low/med/high speed turn rate than either E or F

- Inferior climbrate to either E or F, similar to Hurricane I for early model Martlets. Martlet does have a two stage/two speed supercharger, ie. main supercharger, and secondary supercharger, with two speeds on the secondary, so performance does not fall off as badly at higher altitudes

- Excellent armour protection and overall better durability than either E or F

- Allowable Dive speed superior to either the E or F model 109... Terminal speed is listed as 425 mph IAS at 15,000 ft or. 550 mph TAS/885 kmh TAS. That is not to say you can yank and bank at those speeds... if you do, your wings will come off very fast.

- Armament is six .50 calibre MG's for early British Martlets, later lightened versions with more powerful engines had four .50's. Six .50's would be roughly 175% the power of a Spit with eight .303's.

TWC_SLAG
Mar-23-2015, 23:07
That sounds like the 109 could have some real trouble with the Wildcat. :)

badfinger

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-23-2015, 23:25
That sounds like the 109 could have some real trouble with the Wildcat. :)

badfinger

Well, I would say the 109's are generally superior... speed and climb advantages.

But they don't want to get in front of those guns, and they don't want to try diving away from trouble like they do vs the Spits and Hurris.

Mudcat
Mar-24-2015, 00:24
- Armament is six .50 calibre MG's for early British Martlets, later lightened versions with more powerful engines had four .50's. Six .50's would be roughly 175% the power of a Spit with eight .303's.


Regarding the guns, The original G-36A's did have 6 guns, but they were 7.5 mm Darne. That got swapped out for 4 12.7 mm M2's when they took out the french instrument panels and changed the "backwards" throttle. Other than that I can't recall any F4F-3's that had 6 guns. Which for the Brits would cover Martlet mk I-III's or G-36A meant for France and G-36B's meant for Greece that only made it as far as Gibraltar.

Mudcat
Mar-24-2015, 00:29
Also here's to hoping I don't hear an electric starter :) I know this is an FM-2, not sure what the earlier ones had for starters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qrzgbTTcQ

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-24-2015, 00:48
Regarding the guns, The original G-36A's did have 6 guns, but they were 7.5 mm Darne. That got swapped out for 4 12.7 mm M2's when they took out the french instrument panels and changed the "backwards" throttle. Other than that I can't recall any F4F-3's that had 6 guns. Which for the Brits would cover Martlet mk I-III's or G-36A meant for France and G-36B's meant for Greece that only made it as far as Gibraltar.

You're right... I should have looked up my sources instead of quoting off the top of my head. :doh:

The early Martlets in British service had 4 guns... later versions had 6... and even later versions went back to 4.

In any case, we will probably see most of them eventually... but not the oddball cockpits.

Mudcat
Mar-24-2015, 00:53
You're right... I should have looked up my sources instead of quoting off the top of my head. :doh:

The early Martlets in British service had 4 guns... later versions had 6... and even later versions went back to 4.

No worries, I noticed after I put it up you had said it was just off the top of your head. I know plenty of folks like their 109's and Spitfires, I like my Wildcats :)

Since I never heard from before, is this targeted for TF 5.0 or is this part of "Beyond"

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-24-2015, 01:42
No worries, I noticed after I put it up you had said it was just off the top of your head. I know plenty of folks like their 109's and Spitfires, I like my Wildcats :)

Since I never heard from before, is this targeted for TF 5.0 or is this part of "Beyond"

Actually I just found out some of the Martlet II's did have six guns... half the order by the FAA were supplied F4f-3's, half were F4f-4's... but I won't go into details about it.

We are hoping to have the Martlet/Wildcat for TF 5.0... but as always, it depends on the free time available for the people working on it... no guarantees.

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-24-2015, 02:27
:D

A little taste on the progress made in the last week... and something to bridge the time before MP's real update.


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Roland
Mar-24-2015, 04:32
Martlett was in Africa but noty Malta apart from escort - does this mean africa not Malta ? TF5 I mean.

SoW Reddog
Mar-24-2015, 05:31
Wasn't there a post somewhere that Malta posed a problem because of the need for very specific and identifiable buildings, essentially one offs that would require a lot of development?

I know I'm expecting North Africa only rather than Malta + Med.

422nd_RedSkull
Mar-24-2015, 11:16
The Martlet not operated in Malta Battle or the supply operations of the islands.

TWC_SLAG
Mar-24-2015, 11:26
Well, I would say the 109's are generally superior... speed and climb advantages.

But they don't want to get in front of those guns, and they don't want to try diving away from trouble like they do vs the Spits and Hurris.


That diving away part was what I was thinking about, too.

badfinger

Mudcat
Mar-24-2015, 11:51
Actually I just found out some of the Martlet II's did have six guns... half the order by the FAA were supplied F4f-3's, half were F4f-4's... but I won't go into details about it.

We are hoping to have the Martlet/Wildcat for TF 5.0... but as always, it depends on the free time available for the people working on it... no guarantees.

I thought the II's were split between Fixed and Folding wings, I probably should of looked up stuff myself as well :D The RAF designations and figuring out what was really what with these things is a bit messy, of course, getting 2 orders of them that were originally meant for other Air Forces probably didn't help that :)

Which ones are coming, if it's ok to ask? F4F-3's or F4F-4's? Or both :D (just using the US designation as it's less confusing)

Mudcat
Mar-24-2015, 11:53
:D

A little taste on the progress made in the last week... and something to bridge the time before MP's real update.


16120


16121

Looking good!

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-24-2015, 11:53
RAF aircraft along with US F4's aboard the USS Wasp resupplying Malta 1942.

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RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-24-2015, 14:00
I'm going to end my comments re. the Wildcat/Martlets and simplify the answer by saying we will be producing the models with the Pratt and Whitney R1830 engine... none with the Wright Cyclone.

Any further updates will need to come from Mysticpuma.

Re. where the Martlets we are producing served... the versions we will produce served in the N Atlantic, Murmansk convoy, Mediterranean, N Africa, Wake Island, Battle of the Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, Midway, etc.

Re. Malta, No 806 Squadron Fleet Air Arm, on board HMS Indomitable, was equipped with Martlets during Operation Pedestal, the relief convoy to Malta in July 1942, they shot down a Ju-88, a Re-2000 and and two SM 79's.

javelina
Mar-24-2015, 14:38
Looking good!

indeed!

Mudcat
Mar-24-2015, 15:47
I'm going to end my comments re. the Wildcat/Martlets and simplify the answer by saying we will be producing the models with the Pratt and Whitney R1830 engine... none with the Wright Cyclone.

Any further updates will need to come from Mysticpuma.

Re. where the Martlets we are producing served... the versions we will produce served in the N Atlantic, Murmansk convoy, Mediterranean, N Africa, Wake Island, Battle of the Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, Midway, etc.

Re. Malta, No 806 Squadron Fleet Air Arm, on board HMS Indomitable, was equipped with Martlets during Operation Pedestal, the relief convoy to Malta in July 1942, they shot down a Ju-88, a Re-2000 and and two SM 79's.

Thank you sir. will hold any other questions till later. Probably a good thing they served darn near everywhere. That way talking about them doesn't give away whatever your planned location is. :D thanks for taking time to discuss it as much as you did.

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