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Mysticpuma
Mar-27-2015, 11:54
Okay, here we go.

First, please don't forget to 'Like' our Facebook page...we're nearing 1000 followers and maybe if we reach 1000 I'll post a little exclusive content over there too (like I just did :) )

https://www.facebook.com/teamfusionmod

Today's update is another short one but hopefully the video will give you a lot of things to discuss and hope for the future development of Cliffs of Dover.

So firstly in the video you'll see our work to make one of the aircraft available to the Luftwaffe, flyable and as a trainer for those who wish to learn with an axis aircraft. Currently the Allies have the Tiger Moth but the Axis....nothing for training. That is going to change and is shown in the video :)

Now, what can I say about the next piece of news? Well to be honest....I wont. Please just watch the video and prepare to see some of the work in progress from one of our talented modellers who is creating a 'Pearl' that we hope to have ready to fly for v5.00. This work is painstaking, takes a huge amount of personal time and yet the dedication of our guys to make these models for the community to fly, for free (let's not forget that!) is just awe inspiring.

Team Fusion are always on the lookout for talented modellers so if you have or know of anyone with the skills to add features to the Sim, please ask them to read this thread and get in touch:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11129


It is essential that I point out, Team Fusion are a small group of guys, doing this for a hobby and fun. Each of us has lives outside of this and we can only mod when time allows us to. Everything that has been shown since the previous release (yes, we know, over a year ago!) is all work in progress and as such is not guaranteed to appear in Patch v5.00, that is however our disclaimer. While it would be great to have everything showcased ready when v5.00 is to be released, honestly we cannot promise that....but we will and are trying.

Thanks for your patience, we know, as we are part of this community, that it's been a long wait....but rest assured, there will be a v5.00....and we are working hard to make it happen sooner rather than later....just please keep the faith :)

As always, thanks to Artist for preparing the details of the bugtracker:

From the Team Fusion Bugtracker (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de)

The bugtracker (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/projects/il2clodtf) keeps accumulating data: Since the last published update on March, 13th, 19 new users brought the total up to 863 registered users of which 78 have been active since then. We currently have 175 open issues (121 bugs and 54 feature requests). 2 have already been resolved with patch 4.312 and 20 are currently in progress (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/projects/il2clodtf/issues?set_filter=1&f[]=status_id&op[status_id]=%3D&v[status_id][]=2&f[]=&c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=author&c[]=updated_on&c[]=category&c[]=votes_value&group_by=) to be fixed or implemented.

5 new issues have been raised since the last update, among them are (no judgment implied):

Reported Bug #740 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/740): "Static Barges are NOT static" (New)
Reported Bug #739 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/739): "Ju-88, He-111 and Bf-110 heading indicator and repeater compass are not linked" (New)
Reported Bug #738 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/738): "He 111: bugged rotating track for airplane machine gun" (New)
Reported Bug #737 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/737): "Ju88A-1: bugged rotating track for airplane machine gun" (New)
Reported Bug #736 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/736): "Bf 109: /B variants sound bug" (In Progress)


The issues with the highest (summary) vote currently are:

48: #725 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/725): "BF 110 Airspeed" (New)
46: #581 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/581): "RAF fighter engines incorrectly start cold in Multiplayer" (New)
39: #614 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/614): "Large cloud formations do not appear in replay of track (.TRK) files" (New)
35: #498 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/498): "Bf 109: Prop Pitch Inverted" (New)
34: #602 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/602): "Defensive AI Gunner Skill Levels Set Too High" (New)
34: #598 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/598): "Damage to Gear and/or Flaps when safe speeds exceeded" (New)


There are a number of issues set on "Feedback". We kindly ask the authors to respond:

#489 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/489): "All Static Objects should have a destroyed model
#604 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/604): "Blenheim: fuel cocks incorrectly labeled
#669 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/669): "Bf 110: Navigational Lights
#670 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/670): "Bf 110: Landing Lights
#707 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/707): "Map near Folkestone
#716 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/716): "Texture
#718 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/718): "Ju-88: Sight cannot be moved to the left and to right
#731 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/731): "BR-20 bomb aimer CTD
#732 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/732): "Fiat BR-20 bomb aimind device can only be set to 2.700 meters
#733 (http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/733): "Hurricane Mk I Rotol 100: Course setter


We invite all pilots to participate in the bugtracker either by reporting bugs, requesting features, and/or vote on issues. But before you do anything, please read the guidelines and FAQ here: http://tfbt.nuvturais.de/projects/il2clodtf/boards/4
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So...where's today's video?

Okay...here you go, enjoy :)


https://youtu.be/cyxchcLk6oA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyxchcLk6oA&feature=youtu.be

Cheers, MP/TF

ATAG_Flare
Mar-27-2015, 11:56
Yess!! A P-40!

Still waiting for my Spit V, but this is amazing! It's seeming to lead more to north Africa than Malta now. I wonder what patch 5 will bring us.

EDIT: Posted on Steam community page

Mysticpuma
Mar-27-2015, 11:58
No idea why the videos aren't showing up as embedding is enabled :(

Just click on the link to you to the youtube video...sorry about that (I am using the video embed button which has always worked before?)

Cheers, MP

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-27-2015, 12:04
Bloody HELL. I almost cryed when i saw the P40!!! YES!

Oh and the detail, the ammount of huge details. Saw that boys? Bloody hell! i cant stop saying it, BLOODY HELL! Amazing! Thank you so much Team Fusion!!!!

ATAG_Bliss
Mar-27-2015, 12:18
No idea why the videos aren't showing up as embedding is enabled :(

Just click on the link to you to the youtube video...sorry about that (I am using the video embed button which has always worked before?)

Cheers, MP

Great update MP :thumbsup::thumbsup:

The reason the embedding wasn't showing up is because you need to use the long youtube links. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyxchcLk6oA&feature=youtu.be

I fixed it for you!

71st_AH_Eagle
Mar-27-2015, 12:21
:yikes: I can't wait for this patch. This is just freaking incredible. I really hope I can get my 3D modelling to a good skill level where I can help with some of the things that other 3D modellers won't have to worry about like the control tower that I'm working on.

Thank you yet again for all your hard work and quick question: will the ME-108 get any weapons similar to how the tiger moth may be getting some weapons?

Cheers,
Eagle

Zappatime
Mar-27-2015, 12:27
Wow, what a fantastic addition, love P40s, sweet modelling, thanks TF, amazing afforts going on here! :thumbsup:

HenryLuebberstedt
Mar-27-2015, 12:27
G e i l ! (http://www.dict.cc/?s=geil)

:thumbsup:

GERMANWOLF
Mar-27-2015, 12:32
new target !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIRTIeYko04

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-27-2015, 12:37
The propler stutters :P

Mysticpuma
Mar-27-2015, 12:37
Great update MP :thumbsup::thumbsup:

The reason the embedding wasn't showing up is because you need to use the long youtube links. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyxchcLk6oA&feature=youtu.be

I fixed it for you!


Got it...now I know, it wont happen again :)

Cheers, MP

Mysticpuma
Mar-27-2015, 12:38
The propler stutters :P

The learner broke it ;)

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-27-2015, 12:39
Got it...now I know, it wont happen again :)

Cheers, MP

Maybe you can practice in next week update? :recon::goofy

knightgames
Mar-27-2015, 12:40
Thanks Team Fusion. I'm always excited to see these updates and today was no exception.

I feel like a kid in the back seat during a long journey. "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"

Thanks for presenting, MP.

IIJG27Rich
Mar-27-2015, 12:42
Nothing says Mediterranean theater like a P-40. Wonderful work Team Fusion :thumbsup:

archer11
Mar-27-2015, 12:46
:stunned:

Speechless! Awesome! Fantatstic! Superb! Great! (more, when a FW190 will be announced, but most problaby I'll just faint... ;) )

It's unbelieveable, what you guys are capable of! Thanks a lot!

LBR=H.Ostermann
Mar-27-2015, 12:50
S!


16216

Wow guys!

Art-J
Mar-27-2015, 12:58
Merlin-powered P-40 coming for DCS, Allison-powered one coming for CloD. Rest of 2015 and 2016 are shaping up nicely for Warhawk lovers. Despite having my mouth full of dinnner food while watching the update clip above, I just couldn't stop myself from going "OOooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh!" when the first render showed up :D

Edit - Oh, my first post after registering two years ago. That's how important this P-40 is!

DB 605
Mar-27-2015, 13:05
Great update crowns nicely my birthday, thanks! :D 108 will be nice learner for sure.

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 13:08
I have to clarify what was posted in the video re. the Bf-108 'Taifun':

The game provides the Tiger Moth as a Level 1 Basic trainer... for BOTH sides.

The Tiger Moth is essentially the equivalent of the Buckner Jungmann basic trainer which the Luftwaffe used.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Jungmann_at_Old_Warden.jpg/300px-Jungmann_at_Old_Warden.jpg

What we are doing by making the Bf-108 flyable, is providing an intermediate trainer which BOTH sides can use.

The somewhat similar equivalent would be the Miles Master for the British or the AT-6 Texan/Harvard for the US, although both of those had more power than the Taifun.

The Taifun wasn't really a trainer, more used as a light transport for officers, but its level of complexity is higher than a Tiger Moth, with variable pitch, landing flaps, retractable undercarriage, etc. So it will provide another opportunity for inexperienced players to transition to the higher performance aircraft.

ATAG_Dave
Mar-27-2015, 13:21
Holy hell what an update - a P40!!!!!!!!! Beautiful :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

In the upcoming General Election here in the UK Im voting for Team Fusion :)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-27-2015, 13:25
Great update crowns nicely my birthday, thanks! :D 108 will be nice learner for sure.

Cool ..It's my birthday too :)

DUI
Mar-27-2015, 13:45
Niiice! Not only one but two new training planes for LW pilots: One to learn flying and one to learn shooting. :D

The P40 model looks absolutey amazing. The covering animation in the video was great! I first was wondering what this unfinished 3D model might be just to see some moments later the plane in full shape.

Am I mistaken or is there a new "gear down"-sound for the 108?

@DB 605 & Rich: Happy birthday! :party2:

@MP: Where is the exclusive content on Facebook? Do I have to be logged in to see it?
I think the video link on FB does not work.

keeno
Mar-27-2015, 13:47
HOLY CRAP, :woohoo:

I can not believe what you guys have/are achieving, simply incredible.

P40 is my most fave plane, dunno why, it just it! This is far more than I ever could of expected or hoped for. I was more than satisfied with the new proposed content half a dozen or more updates ago. Amazing work. God I love Fridays.

You guys rock.


Cheers.

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 13:55
Merlin-powered P-40 coming for DCS, Allison-powered one coming for CloD. Rest of 2015 and 2016 are shaping up nicely for Warhawk lovers. Despite having my mouth full of dinnner food while watching the update clip above, I just couldn't stop myself from going "OOooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh!" when the first render showed up :D

Edit - Oh, my first post after registering two years ago. That's how important this P-40 is!

The model of P-40 shown is a P-40E with an Allison engine. This is the short bodied version of the P-40, later versions had a lengthened fuselage.

We are also hoping, (no guarantees) to have a P-40F with a Packard Merlin V1650-1 as well. The F model uses the same body as the E, but with the Packard copy of the two speed supercharged Merlin XX. (same engine which equipped the Hurricane II)

9./JG52 Mindle
Mar-27-2015, 14:00
Great stuff!! P40 [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]


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Bewolf
Mar-27-2015, 14:07
I have to clarify what was posted in the video re. the Bf-108 'Taifun':

The game provides the Tiger Moth as a Level 1 Basic trainer... for BOTH sides.

The Tiger Moth is essentially the equivalent of the Buckner Jungmann basic trainer which the Luftwaffe used.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Jungmann_at_Old_Warden.jpg/300px-Jungmann_at_Old_Warden.jpg

What we are doing by making the Bf-108 flyable, is providing an intermediate trainer which BOTH sides can use.

The somewhat similar equivalent would be the Miles Master for the British or the AT-6 Texan/Harvard for the US, although both of those had more power than the Taifun.

The Taifun wasn't really a trainer, more used as a light transport for officers, but its level of complexity is higher than a Tiger Moth, with variable pitch, landing flaps, retractable undercarriage, etc. So it will provide another opportunity for inexperienced players to transition to the higher performance aircraft.

AFAIK there were also a couple of 108s in service with the RAF as well, so that kinda fits.

Vencejo
Mar-27-2015, 14:11
Incredible :yikes:

TWC_SLAG
Mar-27-2015, 14:28
This is one of those times when I wish I could some expletives in ATAG to convey my astonishment and delight.

Great, great work.

badfinger

Volunteer
Mar-27-2015, 14:33
Uber cool! :thumbsup:

Team Fusion, rocks!

Stab/JG26_5tuka
Mar-27-2015, 15:01
Nice Update. Really looking forward to all announced planes so far.

The Taifun is an interesting choice for an Luftwaffe trainer and certainly will be great fun to fly. After watching the video (admittting it's nto easy to hear above the music) it seems to me the engine sounds a little "dull" at higher RPMs and during the flyby compared to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVapC-iK2uc
Not that I'm complaining about anything, but trying offer some inspiration for improvements. Opverall it's great though and I'm looking forward to the cockpit.

Have seen this bauty several times already in real live so it also effects my personal interest in this particular aircraft :thumbsup:

Pato Salvaje
Mar-27-2015, 15:02
Amazing! simply Amazing!!!!

Thank you guys... You Rock!!!

Ioshic
Mar-27-2015, 15:09
Amazing guys! Thank you so much for all your effort!

P-40E..... what else to say? :-):-):-)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-27-2015, 15:22
P-40 looks awesome in this video. That's the high rez one :recon: The original video is the same but with AWFUL music. It ruined the whole feeling you want to experience watching these aircraft imo. So I copied it and put my own music in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4zV4kwOL_U&feature=youtu.be

Mudcat
Mar-27-2015, 15:46
whoever worked on that P-40 should be proud, that looks absolutely fantastic. Hope we don't have to wait too long :)

Tvrdi
Mar-27-2015, 15:52
Im speechless...thank you TF!

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 15:52
After watching the video (admittting it's nto easy to hear above the music) it seems to me the engine sounds a little "dull" at higher RPMs

Engines sounds for all aircraft are being revised... you will see something about this in a later update.

9./JG52 Mindle
Mar-27-2015, 16:09
Are those six .50 cals or .303's? Unsure of when they changed? Guess the .50's were later?

EDIT; just looked it up.. .50 cals?!! [emoji1]


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Art-J
Mar-27-2015, 16:45
The model of P-40 shown is a P-40E with an Allison engine. This is the short bodied version of the P-40, later versions had a lengthened fuselage.

We are also hoping, (no guarantees) to have a P-40F with a Packard Merlin V1650-1 as well. The F model uses the same body as the E, but with the Packard copy of the two speed supercharged Merlin XX. (same engine which equipped the Hurricane II)

Yes yes, I know a thing or two about P-40s ;). I had a bit mixed feelings about an F being developed for DCS (for me, A P-40 without an Allison is not quite a "proper" P-40), but still, simulation-wise it will be the first "high def." P-40 in any combat sim since good ole' Il-2 FB, so I'll fly it anyway. Now, however, with You guys working on an E for CloD, I've got nothing to complain anymore (well, some Pacific map would make my life complete, but I can live without it for now :D). Fingers crossed for successful and relatively trouble-free development process of this plane and Your other upcoming projects.

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 16:46
Are those six .50 cals or .303's?

All models after the B/C had either four or six .50 calibre MG's in the wings. For the P-40E/F it was six .50s... although in some cases, (Soviets) E models were modded with two the MG's being removed to save weight.

B/C models had two .50 cals in the nose and four .30 cal in the wings. (B/C models in Soviet service also often had the wing .30 cals removed)

9./JG52 Mindle
Mar-27-2015, 16:48
All models after the B/C had either four or six .50 calibre MG's in the wings. For the P-40E/F it was six .50s... although in some cases, (Soviets) E models were modded with two the MG's being removed to save weight.

B/C models had two .50 cals in the nose and four .30 cal in the wings. (B/C models in Soviet service also often had the wing .30 cals removed)

Nice [emoji106]


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RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 16:52
...for me, A P-40 without an Allison is not quite a "proper" P-40...

Everyone has their preferences... but the P-40F/L's with the Packard Merlin saw a lot of service. During the period when the P-51/P-47 was unavailable, and the P-38 in short supply, the P-40F/L's were used as escorts for B-24's/B-17's in raids across the Mediterranean from Allied controlled N Africa to targets in Sicily, Sardinia and the Italian mainland. The P-40F/L's had the ability to carry good sized drop tanks and with their dual speed superchargers, they had decent performance at the higher altitudes where the four engined bombers typically flew. The Allison engined types were not much use over 20,000 ft.

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/aircrafts/p-40-warhawk/P-40F_Warhawk_57th_FG_Sweet_Adeline_VI_nose_art.jpg

Also used in Pacific:

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/aircrafts/p-40-warhawk/P-40F_Warhawk_18th_Fighter_Group.jpg

Attila
Mar-27-2015, 16:58
Wonderfull stuff! Amazing!
Now we have the P40, next will be a 109F and a FW190! I'm sure, believe me!:)

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 17:04
Wonderfull stuff! Amazing!
Now we have the P40, next will be a 109F and a FW190! I'm sure, believe me!:)

FW-190 will not be available for TF 5.0 unless something changes drastically. 109F, yes.

Edit:

FW190A is the #1 priority for TF 6.0 (assuming we complete a TF 6.0)

ATAG_Endless
Mar-27-2015, 17:40
GET LEARNING BOYS AND GIRLS

P40 training film


http://youtu.be/TOIg7JxHQBk

IIJG27Rich
Mar-27-2015, 17:42
If I flew an allied aeroplane I'd fly one of those red nosed shark faced desert camouflaged P-40s. There just the coolest looking allied in the air ever imo.

Uwe
Mar-27-2015, 18:10
CHECKERTAILS ACROSS THE MED!!!
16221
This is a really good move, one of the most important American aircraft of the war to draw us Amis in.

heinkill
Mar-27-2015, 18:50
No

heinkill
Mar-27-2015, 18:51
Freakin

heinkill
Mar-27-2015, 18:51
Way

heinkill
Mar-27-2015, 18:54
Youse r all wrong. It's Nui Guinea dudes, like I sed!

16222

ATAG_NakedSquirrel
Mar-27-2015, 19:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

No.54 Ghost (KL-G)
Mar-27-2015, 20:08
P-40 Cockpit Tour




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl4BCNqecJ8

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 20:31
Nice link Ghost. :thumbsup:

I know Dave Hadfield, had the occasion to interview him several times. He is brother to Chris Hadfield, the Canadian astronaut who was Captain of the Space station and who sent all the videos on youtube down from outer space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

Dave is a commercial pilot in real life who flys A330's.

This aircraft is painted in the colours of Wing Commander James Edwards a Canadian P-40 Ace in the desert.

The cockpit differs from what you will see in the P-40E, as the video mentions, some instruments on the N model were removed to save weight. The Vintage Wings P-40N has also been modified to add dual cockpit controls in the back.

The N also had the lengthened rear fuselage, different from the E model which was shorter... this improved the trim characteristics in a dive.

No.54 Ghost (KL-G)
Mar-27-2015, 20:32
Cool, looking forward to it. :salute:

InvaderZim
Mar-27-2015, 21:07
R U trying to get me to fly RED? Cuz that and the wellington just might convince me! KUDOS Team Fusion, thank you!:dthumb::dthumb:

1lokos
Mar-27-2015, 21:08
What we are doing by making the Bf-108 flyable, is providing an intermediate trainer which BOTH sides can use.

The somewhat similar equivalent would be the Miles Master for the British or the AT-6 Texan/Harvard for the US, although both of those had more power than the Taifun.


Already used as "Master or Magister" in my version of "Drogo Rescue" SP mission. ;)

http://s14.postimg.org/t5p3os781/Drogo.gif (http://postimg.org/image/b2w0xkbd9/full/)
click image upload (http://postimage.org/)

ATAG_Ribbs
Mar-27-2015, 22:51
As a red pilot eagerly waiting for some armament with some "punch" Let the 50cal debate begin! Haha With 2 allied aircraft coming down the line with 50cals.. I'm interested in seeing what people think of the 50 cals that are modeled in the game ATM. I feel they seem to be undermodeled.. But I'm interested in what people think right now. I'm so excited to see where this is going! S TF

Ribbs

Falco
Mar-27-2015, 23:33
Good stuff guys, great to see this moving ahead with more awesome planes to fly:salute:

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-27-2015, 23:45
Let the 50cal debate begin! Haha With 2 allied aircraft coming down the line with 50cals.. I'm interested in seeing what people think of the 50 cals that are modeled in the game ATM.

The only aerial .50 cals modeled in the game at this point are the license built Italian copy of the British Vickers .50 cal, 12.7mm X 81mmSR round. But that is a round which had a much lower muzzle velocity than the Browning .50 cal, 12.7mm X 99mm. (2,540 ft/s for the Vickers, 2,910 ft/s for the Browning) The Browning was a much more effective and accurate round.

4./JG26_Adler
Mar-28-2015, 00:05
FW-190 will not be available for TF 5.0 unless something changes drastically. 109F, yes.

Edit:

FW190A is the #1 priority for TF 6.0 (assuming we complete a TF 6.0)

Well that's a bummer.

Dresarian
Mar-28-2015, 00:31
Did you hear that, way out where you guys are? That was my wife. She just about exploded when she saw the P-40. That is her favorite aircraft ever, and with the skin off she still got the drop on me and identified it first. Well done!

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-28-2015, 03:05
Well that's a bummer.

Patience grasshopper.

A BF-108 being tasked with SAR pickups on the ATAG server missions will be a nice change of pace for some pilots and offer another approach to this great game. Excellent stuff to be had gents, and ladies!

reef
Mar-28-2015, 03:15
P40s, sweet. thanks TF, amazing afforts going on here!

heinkill
Mar-28-2015, 06:28
Let the P40 love fest begin...

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/196992/196992_1156839477_large.jpg

heinkill
Mar-28-2015, 06:30
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Curtiss_P-40_Warhawk.jpg

heinkill
Mar-28-2015, 06:31
http://s16.postimg.org/h04mkg78l/adjustingguns.jpg

heinkill
Mar-28-2015, 06:41
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Hells_Angels,_Flying_Tigers_1942.jpg

heinkill
Mar-28-2015, 06:43
And my personal favourite

http://cdn1.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2011/5/28/137968.jpg

Hair on fire, still grinning!

Mysticpuma
Mar-28-2015, 07:14
Well here's some footage I shot at Camarillo in 2012 at the 67th Reunion of the Checkertail Clan:

Engine sounds (P-40/47 Razorback and P-51D)


https://vimeo.com/49258108

Extended footage from the show with Plenty of P-40 footage (as it had a Checkertail rudder and elevator markings):


https://vimeo.com/64169034

Slow motion flyby of the P-40:


https://vimeo.com/49413268

dburne
Mar-28-2015, 07:37
Wow, looking fantastic TF, thanks for the update!!

Mysticpuma
Mar-28-2015, 08:13
Just a few of the images from the video :)

Cheers, MP

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Continu0
Mar-28-2015, 08:21
Just a few of the images from the video :)

Cheers, MP



The external model as shown is finished, right? Or is there anything else that still has to be done for the external model?

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-28-2015, 08:25
So we go to war in nort Africa. Hitler never want to went there... but his alies Italy was making war there.. mostly against poor africans who fought with sticks and arows. Only they goth help from.... you geus it.. the English. And the usa sold them the warhawk. I think. I personally dont like the enormes heat sand and camels.. but. I am in the army now so ich wolte diese befiell auffüren. Orders are orders.. :-)

So spray the sand collar on the p40.. so we can come and send it down to the desert again..
:-)
Mean wile we have to fight on the western front... everything is qieut here.....

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-28-2015, 08:27
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Pit of the 108 taifun..

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-28-2015, 08:32
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Taifun for sale ... kost 8000 euro.. engine cost 5000 euro all has to be overhauled.. so for 30000 euro we can fly for real.. :-)

422nd_RedSkull
Mar-28-2015, 09:00
Me (Urgh!!) in front a P-40N from Brazilian Air Force in MUSAL (Brazilian Air Force Museum) - Rio de Janeiro 2013.

https://scontent-gru.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1619634_535472903217880_415177615_n.jpg?oh=3bf4379 020a3e56c0a9b312df4f6dc70&oe=55AF9055

Mar28
Mar-28-2015, 10:21
As allways Great Update!!!:thumbsup:
I´m very impresed by the amount of work and the details needed to make such an aircraft model for a simulation, many thanks for You guys from Team Fusion and for You Mysticpuma for bringing us these Updates!:salute:
But may I ask about the Installer, it´s working, under testing???
Thanks Martim!

ATAG_Ribbs
Mar-28-2015, 11:13
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Hells_Angels,_Flying_Tigers_1942.jpg

heinkill...I love this pic! Its my favorite model of the warhawk. Amazing how tight of a formation they were flying for that photo also. When they painted on the sharks mouth they all did it a little differently.. Which made each plane unique. Thanks for sharing!

Ribbs

Corto
Mar-28-2015, 12:05
@Team Fusion Team

great news! Thank you!!!

IIJG27Rich
Mar-28-2015, 13:47
Just a few of the images from the video :)

Cheers, MP

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Don't you just hate the words "Fan Boy" when you are one big time :)

Art-J
Mar-28-2015, 14:49
The external model as shown is finished, right? Or is there anything else that still has to be done for the external model?

Well, with my plastic-modeller's point of view, things which kind of stand out immediately are: simplified carb intake, a few of radiator flaps missing and the exhaust cut-outs in engine cowlings having the wrong shape (see post #66 with Gen. Scott's Warhawk for comparison), but I'm sure whoever makes this 3D model, is going to fine-tune his baby even more. Now, It's kind of medium stage WIP I presume. Still impressive, though!

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-28-2015, 14:53
Can you fly with 2 human pilots in the 108 taifun?

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-28-2015, 16:13
Can you fly with 2 human pilots in the 108 taifun?

Yes.

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-28-2015, 20:48
Haha... very nice.. and who flys then ? Because both on the stick is who has more muscle power. :-)
Is the tigermoth also flyable by 2 ? Or passenger?

DUI
Mar-28-2015, 21:37
Yes, it is. Only one pilot can control the Tiger Moth in the same moment but the trainer always has the option to get back the control. Really nicely done.

VO101_Tom
Mar-28-2015, 23:12
Haha... very nice.. and who flys then ? Because both on the stick is who has more muscle power. :-)
Is the tigermoth also flyable by 2 ? Or passenger?

The instructor can give the control to the student by pressing the "change seat position" key if the student is a human player. It can take back by pressing the button again.

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-29-2015, 05:13
Very nice !! Haha... so you can realy teach a total rooky.. !!

Continu0
Mar-29-2015, 05:42
Very nice !! Haha... so you can realy teach a total rooky.. !!

which will be veeery practical!!!

VO101_Tom
Mar-29-2015, 06:01
Very nice !! Haha... so you can realy teach a total rooky.. !!

Yep. The Tiger Moth is weak, and the instruments is very different from german cockpits, we don't use that plane much.
The ideal plane would be the Arado Ar 96, that was a fully dogfight capable training plane with small gun and small bombs, but making flyable an AI is much much easier than build up a plane from scratch. It have detailed external model with skins, FM, DM and Engine model - even if it need a lot of rework, we have a good base. So the 108 was the logical step in this direction.

major_setback
Mar-29-2015, 10:14
AFAIK there were also a couple of 108s in service with the RAF as well, so that kinda fits.

According to Wiki there were 4 Taifuns impressed into RAF service, these designated 'Messerschmitt Aldon'.

5./JG11_Rain
Mar-29-2015, 12:17
Lovely Bf-108 and a P-40 Classic.......

Cant wait to try it, as always thank you for exciting news!

~S
Rain

Mysticpuma
Mar-29-2015, 12:37
Two-and-a-half thousand views in 2-days :)

Must be something interesting to see I guess ;)

1lokos
Mar-29-2015, 13:27
According to Wiki there were 4 Taifuns impressed into RAF service, these designated 'Messerschmitt Aldon'.

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http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z79/PeterDupont/Messerschmitt%20Bf%20108%20Taifun/Bf108GreatBritainnr---profiletekstA.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z79/PeterDupont/Messerschmitt%20Bf%20108%20Taifun/Bf108GreatBritainnr---withflashprof.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll214/tufty_bunny/Models/aw167_2.jpg
http://flyawaysimulation.com/images/downloadshots/9708-aldon-dk280zip-3-aldon-04.jpg

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-29-2015, 13:29
A ha english Caloborators.. i am goings sto talk mit Her Flick. :-)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-29-2015, 14:34
Two-and-a-half thousand views in 2-days :)

Must be something interesting to see I guess ;)

I get the feeling quite a few more copies of Cliffs of Dover are going to be purchased

carbolicus
Mar-29-2015, 15:18
I get the feeling quite a few more copies of Cliffs of Dover are going to be purchased

I will be for one... Just as soon as my new PC arrives.

IIJG27Rich
Mar-29-2015, 15:44
I will be for one... Just as soon as my new PC arrives.

Tell all your friends about it :)

Cybermat47
Mar-29-2015, 17:23
A P-40 can only mean one thing...

The long awaited Pacific map is nearly here!

:devilish:

But seriously, can't wait for North Africa.

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-29-2015, 17:39
Nice to navigate also in Pacific theather. .... NOT. :-)

=FI=Murph
Mar-29-2015, 17:54
So, eventually we'll be getting;

Flyable Wellington
Blenhem
Flyable ME 108
P-40
Martlet/F4f-3

Is that correct? Also 109F and SpitV perhaps?

Quite a list of new aircraft! Thanks in advance for all the hard work!

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-29-2015, 18:15
So, eventually we'll be getting;

Flyable Wellington
Blenhem
Flyable ME 108
P-40
Martlet/F4f-3

Is that correct? Also 109F and SpitV perhaps?

Quite a list of new aircraft! Thanks in advance for all the hard work!

Everything we do is subject to the demands of real life and everyone needs to remember the key phrase: "Sh*t Happens".

There are NO deadlines and NO Guarantees.

What we have announced to this point which SHOULD be flyable for TF 5.0 is as follows:

Wellington IA
P-40E
F4f-3/Martlet
Bf-108 Taifun
Tiger Moth with guns and bombs
Blenheim IV with wing bombs added, plus twin Browning rear turret
Bf-109E-7 and E-7NZ
Bf-109F... no details on exact model(s) have yet been released
Spitfire(s) comparable era as 109E-7 and F no details on exact models released yet
Hurricane(s) comparable era as 109E-7 and F no details on exact models released yet

What we have announced we are working on as well... whether they are ready or not for TF 5.0... difficult to say.

Beaufighter IF/IC
Fiat CR-42
Gloster Gladiator

plus several other aircraft which we haven't mentioned.

There are also quite a number of ships and vehicles, some of which are complete, some in progress, some have been seen in updates some not.

And of course, the map(s)... Which we are not saying anything about. :D

Wait for MP's updates for details.

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-29-2015, 18:33
Can we have the Dutch. Fokker G1. Fokker D21. And fokker D5. And koolhoven airplanes have also... :-)
No think not,, but they were there... our airforce shot down more then 260 germans in cooperation with the AA. The Dutch atacked both sides in the beginning... because England and Germany was flying over our country some times !!

Continu0
Mar-29-2015, 18:55
plus several other aircraft which we haven't mentioned.



What the actual f!!! Even more? You got to be kidding...

ATAG_Naz
Mar-29-2015, 19:04
P40! Picking up jaw, re-attaching to face.
:thumbsup::):thumbsup:

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-29-2015, 19:22
What the actual f!!! Even more? You got to be kidding...

:roflmao:

I see the community collectively putting on their thinking caps right about now.

Mudcat
Mar-29-2015, 21:01
Nice to navigate also in Pacific theather. .... NOT. :-)

Honestly though, the only difference between navigation over the ocean and navigation over a desert is the color :P

busdriver
Mar-29-2015, 21:10
I respectfully submit that the P-40 model has the prop blade orientation reversed, showing a left (seen from the cockpit) rotation, look at the 3:41 mark.

=FI=Murph
Mar-30-2015, 01:05
I'll be pleased with whatever we get. So far it's exceeded all expectations.

Gromit
Mar-30-2015, 04:26
I just have a great deal of respect and appreciation for the TF guys who are doing all this work (unpaid) for others benefit!

:salute:

major_setback
Mar-30-2015, 07:19
I the Taifun's looks. It looks like a racer.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/1/0777124.jpg

Bewolf
Mar-30-2015, 12:32
I the Taifun's looks. It looks like a racer.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/2/1/0777124.jpg

Well, it was an extremly modern plane when it came out and is basically the grandaddy of all modern small passanger craft (think Cessna). Also, a lot of it's design features were incorporated into the 109...maybe not as sexy as a Schneider Trophy ancestor, but quite solid nevertheless.

BTW, in my last post i forgot to post my huge, huge gratitude to TF. Without you guys..well, just combine everything that was already said in this thread here.

heinkill
Mar-30-2015, 12:45
Two-and-a-half thousand views in 2-days :)

Must be something interesting to see I guess ;)

Putting a US machine like the P40 into theatre is a stroke of genius for reigniting and broadening interest in the game.

People will have the choice of paying 20 USD + BoS and buy a P40 (without clickable cockpit) or pay 20 USD for CoD and get the P-40 (with clickable cockpit!) into the bargain with TF 5.0.

Plus two theatres of operation! (Assuming you arent just enlarging the map of England to include Group 13 in Scotland ;) )

H

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-30-2015, 14:08
Holland was in the fighting airia also.... can we have that to... so I can land near my hometown. (That is in the sea by the way at that time)
:-)

IIJG27Rich
Mar-30-2015, 18:56
Well, it was an extremly modern plane when it came out and is basically the grandaddy of all modern small passanger craft (think Cessna). Also, a lot of it's design features were incorporated into the 109...maybe not as sexy as a Schneider Trophy ancestor, but quite solid nevertheless.

BTW, in my last post i forgot to post my huge, huge gratitude to TF. Without you guys..well, just combine everything that was already said in this thread here.

Messermooney :)

http://aircraftspruce.eu/images/categories-override/Airframe-Parts_Mooney-Parts.jpg

ATAG_Lewis
Mar-30-2015, 20:40
So exciting....and I am stunned by the new fighter...I'd never have guessed..but wow..so good to have a US fighter...Hopefully this will attract more North American simmers...we've missed our bros from across the pond since we moved from 1946...

So much win here...TF never cease to amaze me and leave me in awe...I can't thank them enough...~S~

PS...We get these two pilot skins too....right?

http://www.movpins.com/big/MV5BMTU5MTQzMTg4MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTk4MTkzNA/still-of-donald-pleasence-and-james-garner-in-the-great-escape-(1963)-large-picture.jpg

istruba
Mar-30-2015, 20:41
Still waiting for the Butcher Bird....

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-30-2015, 21:06
The addition of two US fighter planes should entice the US market. Plus they can carry bombs.

II/JG77_RC
Mar-31-2015, 05:57
The addition of two US fighter planes should entice the US market. Plus they can carry bombs.

This is something that never occurred to me when people talk about how to get more people to fly Cliffs. Hopefully this does pull in some more if the guys from the states.

These last few updates have been hinting at some extremely cool stuff. We are getting closer & closer to "the giant leap forward" for CLOD.

Mystic Puma and his teasing gets worse and worse with every update :D I might loose my mind soon with all this anticipation for TF 5.0

Keep up the great work you masters of virtual aircraft construction :salute:

Team Fusion Rules !

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-31-2015, 06:20
Come on ..pilots never loose there nerves... just wait a few years is not so bad.. and I already flew a p40. In cfs1. My god... I was shot down twice by the zero... it could not clime it could not make speed it could not outturn a zero... I was f.......d. in that plane. .. luckely I fly the 109f2 in NAT. (Nord African Theater) :-)

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-31-2015, 11:05
Also, remember to check the TF Facebook page, MP can be sneaky and there might be more info/pictures posted there. You don't need Facebook to view it, I don't have it and checked it last night and enjoyed the stuff and comments there as well.

https://www.facebook.com/teamfusionmod

ATAG_Ribbs
Mar-31-2015, 11:13
The only aerial .50 cals modeled in the game at this point are the license built Italian copy of the British Vickers .50 cal, 12.7mm X 81mmSR round. But that is a round which had a much lower muzzle velocity than the Browning .50 cal, 12.7mm X 99mm. (2,540 ft/s for the Vickers, 2,910 ft/s for the Browning) The Browning was a much more effective and accurate round.

Thanks for the reply and helpful information Buzzsaw. I can't wait to feel the power of the 50"s ripping up the opposition. They were definitely feared. Thanks again TF for all the hard work put in by you guys. S!

Ribbs

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-31-2015, 11:28
No we are not feared at all.. Ribbs.... we all hafe a big smile on our face... bring the p40 up.. haha.. they wont be long up tough. :-)

ATAG_Colander
Mar-31-2015, 11:31
I have a probably stupid question.
What does the P stands for? Phighter? :)

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-31-2015, 11:35
P is. Pursuit. .. aircraft.. cu

Bewolf
Mar-31-2015, 11:39
Everything we do is subject to the demands of real life and everyone needs to remember the key phrase: "Sh*t Happens".

.......

There are also quite a number of ships and vehicles, some of which are complete, some in progress, some have been seen in updates some not.

And of course, the map(s)... Which we are not saying anything about. :D

Wait for MP's updates for details.

ooooooooooooookay, i actually missed that one!

♣_Spiritus_♣
Mar-31-2015, 15:26
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hnbdgr
Mar-31-2015, 16:00
I have a probably stupid question.
What does the P stands for? Phighter? :)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1f/16/f7/1f16f7f2f2a519e961769c60ace9311b.jpg

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-31-2015, 16:02
We are just starting on the cockpit for the P-40E.

A link for those who are interested:

http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/020/P-40E%20Cockpit.html

No.54 Ghost (KL-G)
Mar-31-2015, 17:08
We are just starting on the cockpit for the P-40E.

A link for those who are interested:

http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/020/P-40E%20Cockpit.html

Sorry, did not mean to dislike. :thumbsup:
How long does it take for you guys to build a cockpit, and will it be clickable?

ATAG_Colander
Mar-31-2015, 17:20
How long does it take for you guys to build a cockpit, and will it be clickable?

Yes and yes :)

No.54 Ghost (KL-G)
Mar-31-2015, 17:32
wiseguy... :P

RAF74_Buzzsaw
Mar-31-2015, 18:10
Sorry, did not mean to dislike. :thumbsup:
How long does it take for you guys to build a cockpit, and will it be clickable?

Yes it will be clickable... it will take as long as it takes.

Like I said... everyone here is working on their own time and subject to Murphy's Laws and the delay rule:

Sh*t Happens

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-31-2015, 18:14
Are the pilots in shorts in NAT ?? Team Fusion.

5./JG26_Peete
Mar-31-2015, 18:36
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Bleu Pilots clothing in NAT. ! Everything is sand collar.. easy job for Team Fusion. :-)

Gromit
Apr-01-2015, 08:12
I have a probably stupid question.
What does the P stands for? Phighter? :)

Pursuit, which sounds even dafter!

♣_Spiritus_♣
Apr-02-2015, 00:27
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ATAG_Ribbs
Apr-02-2015, 00:41
How many hours do you think you have into it so far Spiritus? Looks like its coming along nicely! S!

Ribbs

Mudcat
Apr-02-2015, 00:53
Looking good :thumbsup:

Picture reminded me, any word on the flaps? Since they operate in such a different manner than other CloD AC, at least I don't think there are any others that operate on a vacuum system in CloD, I would imagine this would be quite a bit of work to do?

5./JG26_Peete
Apr-02-2015, 01:33
Why the American plane ???? Spiritus mortum ??

Gromit
Apr-02-2015, 05:00
Don't you think we have enough German planes at the moment? the time period is well covered from that perspective.

The game lacks the ability to create other scenarios or theatres at the moment, introducing aircraft of the period which operated in different theatres could bring more players from different nations into the game!

What TF are doing here is extremely logical and well considered, it shows just how far thinking this team is!

5./JG26_Peete
Apr-02-2015, 05:20
With Amercans also in the game... cq air war.. germany was lost.!!!

Mudcat
Apr-02-2015, 08:51
With Amercans also in the game... cq air war.. germany was lost.!!!

Wildcats were in service with the RAF before the US :) Also, on the list of those who are officially credited with being a part of BoB is No. 804 Squadron FAA, which had been re-equipped with Martlets before the end of the battle, so technically, they even fit into the main scenario of the game :)

LizLemon
Apr-02-2015, 08:51
iirc, the martlet was the first American aircraft to shoot down a German plane, a Fw 200.

5./JG26_Peete
Apr-02-2015, 09:02
O my god.... now the shit really going to hit the fan. :-)

Mudcat
Apr-02-2015, 09:14
iirc, the martlet was the first American aircraft to shoot down a German plane, a Fw 200.

Ju-88 over Scapa Flow, X-mas day 1940 was the first. those condors were in sept of 1941. Although you are right in that iirc, the FW.200's were the first victories flown off a carrier in sea operations :)

NNFFL=Clovis=
Apr-02-2015, 11:21
Maybe it's been already said but why are some parts of diferent colours? It cannot be for aesthetic purpose only is it?

ATAG_Lolsav
Apr-02-2015, 11:27
I believe the parts in diffrent colours is to simplify the 3D work. The plane will not look weirdo once the model is finished. Will have its own cammouflage and paintings.

LARRY69
Apr-02-2015, 11:35
With Amercans also in the game... cq air war.. germany was lost.!!!

"Eva Brauns 1000 jährige Reich" was lost BEFORE The Americans came in! Thats we all learned from Books, Movies, and last but not least THIS BAUTYFUL SIM.

5./JG26_Peete
Apr-02-2015, 11:38
No ... we win almost alwais in atag server... what do you mean.?

♣_Spiritus_♣
Apr-02-2015, 11:43
Maybe it's been already said but why are some parts of diferent colours? It cannot be for aesthetic purpose only is it?

What Lolsav said.

I do it so I can see what I'm doing and the systems are more clear. Looking at blueprints and such its easy to get lost. You can see the vacuum air tank in yellow behind the cockpit and also the flap extender is in yellow. It just keeps my systems and parts straight.

Types of materials and colors and texture work is easier to do because then I don't have to go back and look through diagrams to remember what is what and what system is what.

LARRY69
Apr-02-2015, 11:47
No ... we win almost alwais in atag server...

:) No comment!:wf: I`m here only as a Guest:talk:

With "losing" the Battle of Britain, Hitler didn`t lost the war, but he could`nt win it anymore.

5./JG26_Peete
Apr-02-2015, 11:48
Batle of britain was a tie. !!!! Thats what makes it fun.!!!!!!

ATAG_Colander
Apr-02-2015, 12:29
Batle of britain was a tie. !!!!

Yes but I guess it depends how you look at it.

Gromit
Apr-02-2015, 14:32
Batle of britain was a tie. !!!! Thats what makes it fun.!!!!!!

A tie? really :stunned:

The Luftwaffe set themselves specific tasks and failed in the lot,

Destroy the RAF, failed.
Secure air superiority for the invasion, Failed.
Force Britain to the negotiating table, Failed

you have to be a gross optimist or deluded to believe that the BoB was anything but a disaster for the Luftwaffe, the RAF ended the battle stronger than when they started!

And then the Luftwaffe went and did it all over again at Malta losing the Desert War in the process!

A tie my backside!

ZG15_robtek
Apr-02-2015, 15:50
A tie? really :stunned:

The Luftwaffe set themselves specific tasks and failed in the lot,

Destroy the RAF, failed.
Secure air superiority for the invasion, Failed.
Force Britain to the negotiating table, Failed

you have to be a gross optimist or deluded to believe that the BoB was anything but a disaster for the Luftwaffe, the RAF ended the battle stronger than when they started!

And then the Luftwaffe went and did it all over again at Malta losing the Desert War in the process!

A tie my backside!

A tie is it when both sides end a battle without a decisive winner -> BoB -> The Battle of Britain wasn't fought until there was a winner, Germany changed it's objectives when the losses mounted and a win would have been be still possible but too costly.

5./JG26_Peete
Apr-02-2015, 16:19
Yes sorry english chaps.. the luft waffe retread becauce of the stupid tactics of Goëring the luftwaffe had to back of. Now we know the stupideties Goering made we do not fly by his tactics. End we see that it is alwais a win or tie to the raf. Sorry i am no german fanatic or something. Just a pilot who wanted to fly the divercult fighter plane. The 109. So you are right luftwaffe did not had there goals.. but not because of the pilots or planes... but by the leaders who made a mess out of it.. Hitler to.. ofcource ... boms with boms vergeldung... stupid ashole... lucky for the English..... but did you know that Churchill knew thats boms were going.to fall on Londen.. !!?? On what time etc..

Mudcat
Apr-02-2015, 16:40
can we please not ruin this thread with all this. It was a tie, no it wasn't nonsense.

Sent from my LG-VM696 using Tapatalk 2

IIJG27Rich
Apr-02-2015, 16:43
I wouldn't have touched a sole in Europe. Just go straight down into North Africa and get all that oil with lots of forces. Forget this stupid living space in Russia. Too cold there anyway.

Gromit
Apr-02-2015, 16:56
A tie is it when both sides end a battle without a decisive winner -> BoB -> The Battle of Britain wasn't fought until there was a winner, Germany changed it's objectives when the losses mounted and a win would have been be still possible but too costly.

Rob the RAF had two objectives, keep the RAF in the fight and prevent the Luftwaffe gaining air superiority over the invasion area, they achieved both objectives forcing the Luftwaffe to quit, that's a win by any standards, the Luftwaffe basically quit when it was obvious they were getting nowhere and suffering considerable losses, they achieved not one single objective they set out, changing the plan when your failing is still failing, especially when the amended plan is also a failure!

A win for the Luftwaffe was NEVER possible, by the end of the battle the RAF had more aircraft and was training more pilots than they had at the beginning, for the luftwaffe the whole thing was a disaster from the start with faulty intelligence and aircraft not suitable for the job they were lumbered with, Kesselring then repeated the whole fiasco at Malta, and suffered another defeat!

ATAG_Snapper
Apr-02-2015, 17:39
Fantastic update, Mystic! :thumbsup:

Looking forward to the next one; they just keep getting better and better! :salute: