P-51

[Bearcat]

I am curious.. are there any plans to bring this aircraft to CoD in some form?

[Cybermat47]

I can imagine that the early versions could be made, but the focus would be on more common aircraft. If they decide to expand the game into 1943-45 Europe, it's almost certainly guaranteed.

[Mysticpuma]

Hi BC, thanks for stopping by.
This aircraft will undoubtedly appear at some point hut not in v5.00

Currently we are looking to progress chronologically through the WW2 and as such the P-51 doesn't fit in with v5.00 plans.

We have been lucky to have some very enthusiastic modellers join TF (and we are always on the lookout for more :) ) and these are the ones who will have to invest their time creating these aircraft. At the same time as you'll have seen with the P-40 the detail allowed in the models is vastly superior to previous versions and this takes time to create.

V5.00 is pretty much the foundation for all future versions of TF updates as all the tools required for our modders are being finalised. Once done this will allow free reign on the map-making, texturing, modelling, etc, etc. This will therefore provide everything TF need to expand the timeline and so most likely the earlier version of the P-51 (A and/or B) would be considered for v6.00 which could cover (but not guaranteed) the 42-43 era of WW2.
The thing about this is that v5.00 being the foundation for all future patches means that future updates after could appear faster than v5.00 is as most of the v5.00 work is setting up the tools for everything else that will follow. Well that's the plan :)

Currently our focus is on completing v5.00 and the aircraft externals and internals which is time consuming but well underway.

To finish, we do expect the P-51 to make an appearance but definitely not for v5.00......but surely if we make a P-51.....we'd have to have a 190? :)

Finally, this is where modelling gets interesting for the community as to be honest, while we do have projects for our modellers that need finishing and working on, of-course they wish to build models, aircraft, cockpits that they wish to fly. Let's not forget, TF is made up of hobbyists from the community, so they are in it as part of their hobby as well.as working with TF. We have seen some models behind closed doors that have not been requested by TF but the modellers have been creating them as a sideline to the work they are doing as part of TF (and that they also want in the Sim). The thing is, as mentioned, we have a chronology that we are trying to work to so these side projects don't fit yet, but they are there ready (and being worked on) for when we hit the timeline for them.to.appear. There isn't any point in having a P-51B created and just because we have it (which we don't but this is an example to illustrate the point), adding an Me-262. It just wouldn't make sense.

So hopefully that explains the situation but to clarify, yes we do intend to add a P-51.....but only when the time is right :)

Cheers, MP

[Bearcat]

Oh I certainly was not expecting it with 5.0.. I would have surely seen screenshots by now ...;) I am talking about in a few years.. Hopefully TF 6.0 will not take as long as 5.0 did... Thanks for the response Neil..

[Chivas]

I am curious.. are there any plans to bring this aircraft to CoD in some form?

Have you seen this awesome P51 Bearcat....

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17251

[IIJG27Rich]

Oh I certainly was not expecting it with 5.0.. I would have surely seen screenshots by now ...;) I am talking about in a few years.. Hopefully TF 6.0 will not take as long as 5.0 did... Thanks for the response Neil..

You have to watch the updates and that's about it....Unless you want to send a TF member a huge cheque :salute:

[Uwe]

P-51....
Is ugly.
/Thread.

:-P

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

This is not ugly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6QyMKbHG8lI/UBBPPPCscGI/AAAAAAAAJOQ/qILROg248F8/s1600/IMG_1623a.jpg

All you have to do is look at this aircraft to understand it combines form and function extremely efficiently.

http://www.alexlaird.com/content/uploads/2011/06/P-51-Head-On.jpg

But no, we are a long way from a P-51... unless we get a huge influx of eager AND professional 3D modelers.

Which of course, we hope will happen after TF 5.0. :P

[IIJG27Rich]

This is not ugly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6QyMKbHG8lI/UBBPPPCscGI/AAAAAAAAJOQ/qILROg248F8/s1600/IMG_1623a.jpg

All you have to do is look at this aircraft to understand it combines form and function extremely efficiently.

http://www.alexlaird.com/content/uploads/2011/06/P-51-Head-On.jpg

But no, we are a long way from a P-51... unless we get a huge influx of eager AND professional 3D modelers.

Which of course, we hope will happen after TF 5.0. :P

No P-51s sure aren't ugly. They're very nice......... and that's my problem with them. You get sick of hearing how pretty something is over and over and over for 40 years. In my opinion they look more like one of Big Daddy Don Garlits's dragsters that you'd see down at Lions Drag Strip in the 60s than a war plane

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

No P-51s sure aren't ugly. They're very nice......... and that's my problem with them. You get sick of hearing how pretty something is over and over and over for 40 years. In my opinion they look more like one of Big Daddy Don Garlits's dragsters that you'd see down at Lions Drag Strip in the 60s than a war plane

Don't let the pretty face fool you... these are great airplanes. A Spitfire is also a pretty plane, but a P-51 with the same engine is 30 mph faster. That tells you something about how efficiently the aerodynamics of the P-51 are engineered. Yes, there are a lot of people crowing about how good the P-51 was... and sometimes that gets tiresome... but they were extremely good aircraft.

[LARRY69]

Take that Picture of the P 51! It looks far more as a "Workhorse"!
http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r739/larry691/50f9098232a54_zps60jbnikk.jpg~original

[♣_Spiritus_♣]

But no, we are a long way from a P-51... unless we get a huge influx of eager AND professional 3D modelers.

Which of course, we hope will happen after TF 5.0. :P

I really hope to see this, judging from the content of 46, there has to be more out there, waiting.

[=FI=Murph]

It would be nice to get the "A" model, with the dive brakes and Allison engine. This version has never been really represented in a sim AFIK, and would be appropriate for a Med Theater scenario.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

It would be nice to get the "A" model, with the dive brakes and Allison engine. This version has never been really represented in a sim AFIK, and would be appropriate for a Med Theater scenario.

I think you mean the A-36 Apache dive bomber... which was a little different from the 'A' as it had dive brakes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/North_American_A-36A_Apache_USAF.jpg

The non-dive bomber 'A' also saw service on the Channel Front... first combat during the Dieppe operation, shot down a FW190. The P-51A was a very competitive aircraft at low and medium alts, actually faster than the FW190A at most of those altitudes. It turned better than the later Merlin versions as it was quite a bit lighter. It was used right up to 1945 by RCAF Squadrons, the later high boost versions being capable of nearly 393 mph at 8000 ft. It was used a tactical recon aircraft and day intruder... its range allowed it very deep penetration.

The very first daylight bombing attack on Germany after it was resumed was escorted by P-51A's.

The RAF used the P-51A much more than the USAAF.

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51variants/MustangI-IV/H.MustangI-IV.jpg

[Uwe]

This is not ugly.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6QyMKbHG8lI/UBBPPPCscGI/AAAAAAAAJOQ/qILROg248F8/s1600/IMG_1623a.jpg
...

Well to a guy who favors Hurricanes and Thunderbolts it sure aint pretty.

[Cybermat47]

Bf-109 is prettier :)

[=FI=Murph]

You are correct- the A-36. Though it would be even nicer to have both the Apache and the 51A.

[Uwe]

Bf-109 is prettier :)
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[Gromit]

P51, most capable fighter aircraft of WW2, every time I look at a P51D one thing springs to mind, visibility!

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Well to a guy who favors Hurricanes and Thunderbolts it sure aint pretty.

I actually prefer to fly Thunderbolts to P-51's. The Jug had clean lines too... had a lower drag coefficient than the 109... but wasn't as advanced as the Mustang.

Only advantage the P-47 had was better speed at very high altitudes, but overall less maneuverable, less range, slower climb, etc.

But still a favourite of mine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/P-47D-40_Thunderbolt_44-95471_side.jpg

And the really serious Jug flyers prefer the razorback. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/P-47_Thunderbolt_42-25068_2012_%287977124689%29.jpg

[Mysticpuma]

Always been the same for me. Two P-47's working together as a team are super effective and the B 'n' Z tactics are awesome. Looking forward to this in DCS and CloD (one-day ;) )


I actually prefer to fly Thunderbolts to P-51's. The Jug had clean lines too... had a lower drag coefficient than the 109... but wasn't as advanced as the Mustang.

Only advantage the P-47 had was better speed at very high altitudes, but overall less maneuverable, less range, slower climb, etc.

But still a favourite of mine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/P-47D-40_Thunderbolt_44-95471_side.jpg

And the really serious Jug flyers prefer the razorback. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/P-47_Thunderbolt_42-25068_2012_%287977124689%29.jpg

[Faustnik]

Dieppe operation, FW190A, P-51A. :thumbsup:

Is that for 6.0 Buzzsaw?

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Dieppe operation, FW190A, P-51A. :thumbsup:

Is that for 6.0 Buzzsaw?

Can't say definitely at this point... aircraft for TF 6.0 will be up for discussion with the members of TF after 5.0 is finished.

[Faustnik]

Is was just joking, but, now i wont be ably to sleep!

[ATAG_Flare]

I'll still take my Spitfire.

Although if you make a B with the Merlin 61 (or is it 66?) then there's no excuse to not having a Spit IX . . .

Flare

[LARRY69]

For all "Mustang-Horse-Lovers". Whrrr....!

https://www.facebook.com/AeroSedifer/videos/626626940805599/

[Wing Walker]

When the day comes to develop the P-51, I really hope TF starts with the P-51A "Apache". And then tweek it soon after for the B.

[LARRY69]

When the day comes to develop the P-51, I really hope TF starts with the P-51A "Apache". And then tweek it soon after for the B.

+1:thumbsup:

[IIN8II]

Would love to see an early 51 at some point!

[ATAG_((dB))]

The P51 is a beautiful plane perhaps one of the best looking of the era. But to says that it was the best fighter I disagree. It's ranges and it's timing have made the myth. I mean fighter per fighter performances compare to the Mark IX, the Dora or the K4. The 51 doesn't excel much.
But anything TF would had I would gladly fly it.

[Gromit]

The reason it was the best fighter is very simple, you can do the same jobs as a Dora, or Spit or Tempest in a P51, but they cannot do the same job as the P51, the range of the P51 puts it in a class of it's own in the ETO, an aircrafts capability is not just it's performance figures, and in that regard the P51 is hardly lacking, but in it's tactical value, and the strategic effect that value creates, put simply the ability to escort bombers to Berlin and to create air superiority over the enemy's heartland was unmatched in the ETO, the P47 came close but the P51 changed the game, it was better because it could do more, arguing who's best ultimate climb,speed turn etc is pretty meaningless when you can't even get to the fight!

[Wing Walker]

I remember when reading Chuck Yeager's book he did say of all the planes he got to fly at the one airfield he was stationed at that had all types of aircraft he was testing, that the Fokkewolf was the best. It bugged me though because he didn't say the version he got to fly.

Also, a lot of pilots thought it was the wrong decision that the Air Force chose the P-51 line to continue in Korea, and not the P-47, considering it would be a ground attack role and the '51 was way more fragile than the '47.

No one would turn down a P-51 though.

[ATAG_((dB))]

That what I mean when I said, it's Because of it's range and it's timing Gromit. It is not because it excel in anything :)

[Biggs]

the Fokkewolf was the best. It bugged me though because he didn't say the version he got to fly.


My money's on the D model.