VKB Gunfighter

[1lokos]

VKB Gladiator "rich" cousin - aluminium base, ball bearings gimbal, detachable grip "KG-12 like" from Gladiator (as option the Knupplegriff KG12 (http://vkb-sim.pro/project/kg12/) metal grip).

http://vkb-sim.pro/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gunfighter_mainpage.png

Gunfighter PRO: http://vkb-sim.pro/project/gunfighter-pro/

This base accept Tm grips (Cougar, Warhog).

http://vkb-sim.pro/

VKB-Stratojet announcement: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/18545-vkb-and-stratojet-release-plans-q4-2015-2016/

[1lokos]

"Gut's":

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-979-0-56603300-1447304170.jpg
http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-979-0-07696200-1447302422.jpg

[shadepiece]

Is this the same "new" 2-axis gimbal from the Fat Mamba III? This stick looks awesome, but I can't find anything on VKB's website on the gunfighter, or gladiator.

Edit: Sorry I jumped the gun a bit, and went back and read the update. Still, I would like to know more about when we might see this coming, and when we might be able to get our hands on it!? Also, pricing would be good to know.

[1lokos]

All this "half/confuse information" is typical of VKB history. :D

For now, if you dont want buy the Mamba Mk.III - the Limited Edition ending this model production, with this new CAM gimbal - what to do is await the next year
and see the real answers for your questions. :thumbsup:

[1lokos]

Build like a "tank" - not like in some famous "tank" that use plastic there. :D

http://www.gostratojet.com/Marketing/Gimbal_Final_1.jpg
http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/20422-new-gimbal-and-fat-black-mamba-joystick-orders-update/

[Bussard]

The Gunfighter is planned for Q1 '16, still no news. I have this high on my wishlist.

[ATAG_Highseas]

The Gunfighter is planned for Q1 '16, still no news. I have this high on my wishlist.

I asked about this very stick some time back....

Got this from the European based guys:

We do not plan to start any new pre-orders. The Gunfighter and the Gladiator joysticks will be produced and stocked normally and sold from the stock. I personally do not expect Gunfighter model to be in stock before September this year.

So much for Quarter 1 !

Kinda weird from a business point iof view too...

If I was doing this I'd want to know how much interest there was first off, tender the job accordingly and then negotiate the cost of production run for an appropriate amount of units.

Last thing I'd want is a load of them sitting on a shelf unsold, and the second to last thing I'd want would be to go through all the effort of getting something like this up and running and then not fully realise the profit.


Still... as long as they make them and then decide to sell me one I'm not going to chastise them. GO VKB !

[1lokos]

If I was doing this I'd want to know how much interest there was first off, tender the job accordingly and then negotiate the cost of production run for an appropriate amount of units.


In the past VKB work in this way, take pre-orders then run the production through their contractors in China, what lead to 6 or more mouths delays...

Now they are trying set a regular production, make partnership with Asia peripherals manufacturer - the Asia Games that will sold a "dumb down" version of Gladiator under other name in Europe, Latin America... - and with American retailer, the Stratojet that will sold VKB products for USA & Canada market only, besides the already existent Flightsimcontrols in Netherlands.

The issue is, VKB is a small group engineers simmer enthusiasts, no own factories and little money trying set a new quality standard in flight games joystick market...

Flightsimcontrols prediction is realistic, with luck Gladiator hit the market in June/July 2016 and as Gunfighter is a sub-product of Gladiator, September is a good guess for this model.

[Bear Pilot]

I cannot wait for the gladiator. I'm so tired of my cheap x52 pro. Minute adjustments just before going guns are extremely jerky. My old Logitech 3d was smoother than my x52. Can't wait for an accurate joystick again.

[ATAG_Highseas]

I cannot wait for the gladiator. I'm so tired of my cheap x52 pro. Minute adjustments just before going guns are extremely jerky. My old Logitech 3d was smoother than my x52. Can't wait for an accurate joystick again.

quick update for you.... as of yesterday from the European team:

Thanks for your email and interest in VKB products.

Gladiator joysticks are not yet produced. We are careful when open any items for ordering. We will open the ordering as soon as we know that the products are manufactured and we could predict their availability in our stock. Gladiator is the totally new product and there is high risk of further delay. My current estimation of availability of Gladiator Pro is September this year.

With regards of Gunfighter stick, I can't provide with any estimations at the moment.

My guess is Gunfighter for Christmas... maybe !

[1lokos]

https://s18.postimg.io/aeyffqmbd/Cho_cho.jpg

"Gunfighter went to completion at that time (early 2016). The plan was to use general mechanics with Gladiator Pro, but eventually abandoned and became developed a Gunfighter mechanism for loading."

I guess as conclusion of this "incident" (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4255200/Re:_VKB_Black_Mamba_Mk.III#Post4255200)caused by one these VirPilov in their "Quest for the Feel Simulator".

And http://www.gavca.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/hainhein.gif "We received a request to develop a joystick for use in military simulation. And Gunfighter will use the same base of this military joystick."

For "Twist" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9XuJJXylw) lover's: ;)

"After Gunfighter announcement is planned make a "twist" KG12 grip for (optional) installation on Gladiator Pro and Gunfighter."

This "Twist rudder" will use ball bearings/MaRS. And this option will cost around 20$ more.

[ATAG_Highseas]

That's a really good idea.

I don't want twist but that's a very good move for those who do!

[LuseKofte]

Personally I think that is a blunder of dimensions :(

If I was in marked for one, (witch I was some month ago) this would be something I walk away from.
If I buy a high end stick I want it to last for a long time and have as little moving parts as possible. Twist make the thing more complex and simply do not add anything good.
Twist is good for people not having room for rudder pedals or cannot afford any, Buyers of Gunfighter have room since they want a floor mounted stick and they can afford one.

Thumbs down, in my opinion stupid

[ATAG_Highseas]

It's optional. Within the handle... If you want it.

At least that how I read it.

Ie don't get the twist handle.... Get the normal one.

Maybe I read it wrong.

[1lokos]

Although "twist rudder" can be looked biased by "hardcore VirPilovs", they are very convenient for Kosmosimov (:P) so is a wise move from VKB "rise the bar" in quality for "twist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9XuJJXylw)". :thumbsup:

[ATAG_Highseas]

Although "twist rudder" can be looked biased by "hardcore VirPilovs", they are very convenient for Kosmosimov (:P) so is a wise move from VKB "rise the bar" in quality for "twist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9XuJJXylw)". :thumbsup:

I agree

and the twist mechanism beiong incorporated into an optional stick sound like a blinder of an idea to me.

Inovative.

Fixed stick for me... but its a very good idea to have this solution with the same base gimbal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgVWot_xrxE

[1lokos]

For Kosmosimov jockeys:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9337972/post-979-0-21508900-1474337240.jpg

Two hand control - looks like tank gunner controls (http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b498/Asid_1/Strategy%20Sim/Steel%20Beasts%20Pro/Misc/Leopard-2-Gunners-Control-Handle_zps8c28af88.jpg), probable the left grip "twist" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im9XuJJXylw) and maybe the thing pivot in vertical axis, besides conventional X, Y (yoke like) movements for 6DOF control.

[1lokos]

Gunfighter postponed for 2017 " FSC: (http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2200&start=60#p23191) "Most likely Q1 next year".

[ATAG_Highseas]

Gunfighter postponed for 2017 " FSC: (http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2200&start=60#p23191) "Most likely Q1 next year".

Cheers for the update... !

Easter it is.... possibly....

[1lokos]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-979-0-89574800-1480846301.jpg
http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-979-0-79523400-1480841090.jpg

[ATAG_Highseas]

Looking good.

[ATAG_Vampire]

I like the look of this, especially the stick extension.

Will definitely have to raid the 'piggy bank' to get one.

~S~ :salute:

[ATAG_Highseas]

Definitely on my want list !

Funny..... Cliffs has that thing about it where I find I can pretty much justify the cost of amazing peripherals.....

Because it's just SOOOO damned good!

[ATAG_Vampire]

I hate to ask this but..........you're not ADDICTED to CloD by any chance are you? Hehe!

~S~ :salute:

[ATAG_Highseas]

erm


http://www.gostratojet.com/

wonder what happened there .....

VKB Europe still appears to exist...

[1lokos]

Stratojets bellongs to J.Willins (777), who try help VKB guys hit the American market.

I guess this VKB representation end resulting very inconvenient, every RoF, BoS player that
bough Gladiator demand personal joystick support from him - and what exist about is in Russian. :D

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2424

US/Canada already has new VKB representation, rrohde - one of first VKB (Mamba) users in Western.

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2430

Since actual VKB Amazon sales depends on Stratojet:

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2434

Related: http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=28&p=23996#p23996

[1lokos]

VKB is doing a survey to measure the interest in Gunfigther in USA/Cadada:

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2435

Their price is not know, but is speculate a price similar Black Mamba, around 280~300$.

[ATAG_Highseas]

VKB is doing a survey to measure the interest in Gunfigther in USA/Cadada:

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2435

Their price is not know, but is speculate a price similar Black Mamba, around 280~300$.

but i want one in MY house...

In my house interest is rather high !!

It's slightly outside Canada and USA though

[1lokos]

Thrust in Flightsimcontrols.

[ATAG_Colander]

but i want one in MY house...

In my house interest is rather high !!

It's slightly outside Canada and USA though

Me too but mine is slightlier outsidier :D

[♣_Spiritus_♣]

That one with the extension looks bad. Damnit now I want one.

[ATAG_Pattle]

Im very interested.

Hows Australia looking for availability?

[ATAG_Pattle]

Any chance of it being available in Australia?

[ATAG_Highseas]

Well if worst comes to the worst.... by boat and by lorry....

There's always a way....

[1lokos]

Until now VKB barely discovery the America. :)

[LuseKofte]

I have little to no hope for this, looking at Gladiators availability history. I have taken the consequences for this and resigned. I buy what I want and pay the shipping cost. My latest purchase cost me a warthog just in shipping.
Is it worth it? I hear you ask, Well to me it is.
I cannot get anything decent in any store in Norway, so I have to look carefully and take my time thinking and choosing. Last purchase was from Hong Kong.
Unfortunately for the Gunfighter there are some very good options with a network all over the world. Let say you fly DCS also , choppers and jets. Do you really want to spend 600$ + on a stick with a small numbers of buttons, I thought I would until I was about to buy, then I changed my mind.
Secondly the hand-rest make the KG 13 not look like a KG 13, then why buy a KG 13. Truth is you do not need a hand-rest on a floor mounted stick, you rest your hand on your feet.
I always believed that a self centering stick was needed, going for choppers I choose to have a non centering stick. And what do you know, it gives a very authentic feel for planes also, and muzzle memory center the stick all by itself.
Please there are many options, Baur ( guaranteed quality and handmade base, I am sure it is better than most) , maxflightstick (same handmade quality) and many many more. Take a look and do not get too focused on this

[1lokos]

Problem with VKB is their "feedback police":



Recently we will send one batch of Gladiator Pro to European warehouse. I think it will be available in European warehouse very soon.
Please allow me to explain why there is delay.
Because usually for first new model of joystick, we didn't produce big quantity, and tried to get feedback from clients.
To check if there should be any improvements. For first batch of Gladiator pro, we didn't find problem.
Now we already under production of second batch, which is planned to finish production within 4 weeks. So our goods will be always with stock.))

Good for one side, bad for another (availability).

BTW - Pool about USA/Canada interest in Gladiator PRO:

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2436

[ATAG_Highseas]

Please there are many options, Baur ( guaranteed quality and handmade base, I am sure it is better than most) , maxflightstick (same handmade quality) and many many more. Take a look and do not get too focused on this

I will look into these.
Cheers.

[Stig1207]

Truth is you do not need a hand-rest on a floor mounted stick, you rest your hand on your feet.

So how long are your arms, Luse? :D

[1lokos]

Secondly the hand-rest make the KG 13 not look like a KG 13, then why buy a KG 13. Truth is you do not need a hand-rest on a floor mounted stick, you rest your hand on your feet.


VKB planned enter in mass joystick market with the typical 4 buttons + HAT grip joystick.

Take in mind that in this range the cost to add a single extra press button is considered prohibitive. To give you a idea about this: When VKB are managing the production of Cobra M5 for Defender (Russian hardware distributor), Defender executives vet use a 16kb chip because cost 0,05$ more than 8kb version.

BTW - Cobra M5 production was discontinued recently. Their creation is a interesting history (will tell more about VKB): https://habrahabr.ru/post/141524/

In China is easy and cheap use a maked-up existent mold from other joystick for make a new - like the used Thrustaster HOTAS X, the same grip is see in several OEM brands.

But VKB plan enter in the market with something different, their engineer is simmer and like of Bf 109 KG12-B stick,
so decide ADAPT their design to be a "desktop joystick", move the mic button (pinky) up, make the B-Knop button a HAT
and add this palm rest (convenient in desktop joystick).
He don't want make a replica of KG12 grip (Bauer did), just use their look.
And they achieve make a their 3 button joystick able to press 8 buttons, so has more usability than T.16000M grip for example.

Gladiator hand-rest is removable. :D

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_09_2016/post-12288-0-21083200-1475148969.jpg

[LuseKofte]

So how long are your arms, Luse? :D

Floormounted stick do not need a hand-rest. because when you fly longer you rest them on your leap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSZ-KUuhI-A
same goes when you manoeuvre carefully in a chopper. Hand-rest is really important for table joysticks .

@ Lokos1 I agree with you, but my guess this stick will be in a price range that will compete with real high end equipment. And personally I think if they keep it under 600$ it will really be a bargain. Over that price , well there is so much more.

[1lokos]

As always in VKB story, use Gladiator KG-12B grip in Gunfighter is a workaround - like use Cobra M5 for Mambas - until they don't have capacity ($) to produce a more "sophisticated" one.

Not sure about, but seems they will sold Gunfighter without grip, for Warthog users use their grip.

VKB solutions is for one who know and look for better internals.
The ones who want "badass" look and 20+ buttons exist Warthog's. :thumbsup:

Is like this 600$+ helicopters stick that you link, they are for restricted market - and their mechanical solutions are far from innovative.

[LuseKofte]

I was not going for innovative, but realism. And as far as that goes it give immersion. I bought one with CF fighter grip, nothing fancy but with two hats and 6 buttons. I was after something working for both planes and choppers, not self centering and could handle a lot of movements. And I can assure you it does. Witch make it pretty alone.
I had a 1300$ yoke (1600$ with shipping) it could not take active flying for a long time, springs broke.
For my specific needs Maxflightstick is about the only one suited for me. But that does not mean it is for you

[1lokos]

Despite Santa Claus and Reindeer's brave efforts, "el Pistolero" (https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/84165914752663.562888e3e16bf.jpg) missing Christmas.

https://s28.postimg.org/f7s2csv25/vkb_santa_joy2.png

But will come... in "two weeks, be sure™" , after the New Year.

BTW - This New Year is the Chinese New Year holidays, in February. :D

[ATAG_Highseas]

Hahaha!

:)

[1lokos]

"Pistolero" secret weapon - the new gimbal, seems that use a ... "brake"??:

https://s24.postimg.org/5aeifg5ph/G_PRO.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/bbc7cisbl/)free picture upload (https://postimage.org/)

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gunfighter-pro#

Renders (WiP) of FAT Gunfighter idea (scrool down) - the site is not VKB affiliated, just "fan page":

http://www.vkb-sim.com.ar/gunfighter-mki-cjg9

[LuseKofte]

I am really curious about the price of this thing

[1lokos]

I suppose is the "Khosmosima" grip (Wip).

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-979-0-69103800-1483013161.jpg

"Dead man" switch?

[1lokos]

2x

[ATAG_Highseas]

I'm confused. Where did the metal gimbal cam levers go??

[1lokos]

This above has CAM, the brass lever under sensor PCB. Basically the Mambas/Gladiator PRO gimbal improved.

In opposite side of CAM has a "brake drum" to damper return to center.

[ATAG_Highseas]

This above has CAM, the brass lever under sensor PCB. Basically the Mambas/Gladiator PRO gimbal improved.

In opposite side of CAM has a "brake drum" to damper return to center.

Listing on the USA site now suddenly specifies with regard to the dry clutches "made of nylon".

That changed after they started taking orders.

No idea if nylon works better in this role than brass, just thought I'd mention it.

[1lokos]

Strange that change with previous warning...

But since the purpose of "dry clutch" is creating friction dampening the return to center, no inconvenient in be made in Nylon.
I remember VKB say in Russian forum that "dry clutch" will require maintenance - a drop of oil time from time, probable Nylon avoid this.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Strange that change with previous warning...

But since the purpose of "dry clutch" is creating friction dampening the return to center, no inconvenient in be made in Nylon.
I remember VKB say in Russian forum that "dry clutch" will require maintenance - a drop of oil time from time, probable Nylon avoid this.

Probably.

Can't really see myself using those much in any case... though you never know.

Mine is on order. How tremendously exciting.

:whacky:

Keep ya posted !

[PhoenixCNE]

Aaaaannd it's gone ... lol. Unfortunately the North America distributor is now out of stock on all gunfighter variants, very surprised at the speed they went (altho I have never been a part of awaiting a VKB release so can't say if typical)

[69th_Zeb]

Yeh, the brass is tougher but nasty on the galling chart. Delrin/Nylon would work great. Looks like a nice product!

[ATAG_Highseas]

ha!... 1Lokos is right again !

Shipping of the Gunfighter initial batch is delayed somewhat due to delays in the supply chain of the Gunfighter's PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards) and PCBAs (Printed Ciruit Board Assembly). These delays were outside of the control of VKB HQ and pushed back the delivery date by about two - three weeks. VKB HQ promised to provide me with an up-to-date shipping date on (or before) March 28.

I've waited a year. I can wait another month or three if needs be.

My guess is the European shop will be listing them after they are actually "physically" available. !

I still can't speak Russian or Chinese.... so no idea there !

[Vlerkies]

VKB products remain somewhat of a mystery to me.

I see lots of press and really good comments but when I go looking for info I hit blanks.
Probably just me and I am sure the hardware is of good quality, I just don't understand the differences or improvements.
Taking my own stupidity out of the equation for a second, my comment is offered as constructive criticism of the marketing, not the hardware itself.

[ATAG_Highseas]

VKB products remain somewhat of a mystery to me.

I see lots of press and really good comments but when I go looking for info I hit blanks.
Probably just me and I am sure the hardware is of good quality, I just don't understand the differences or improvements.
Taking my own stupidity out of the equation for a second, my comment is offered as constructive criticism of the marketing, not the hardware itself.

haha !!

I don't really get them either.

I guess they are more a collective of folk who wanted to make nice stuff for themselves... rather than a traditional company.

Odd setup from a UK / European perspective, (business wise I mean).

Stuff looks good though, and more than that the designs are logical from a mechanical viewpoint, and excellent from an engineering viewpoint.

I assume that their design mindset is to start with the function, and end up with a product. Rather than start with "pretty" fashion item, and work backwards from there to get it to work.


but yeah... I know very little about them other than that they have my money... and I'm ok with that.

[1lokos]

My guess is the European shop will be listing them after they are actually "physically" available. !


What based on all these "two-three more weeks, be sure"™ make all sense.

People use say there: "Scalded cat is afraid of cold water".

Sell existent products and not "promises". :D



I guess they are more a collective of folk who wanted to make nice stuff for themselves... rather than a traditional company.


Seems the case, one guy living in China (with a office and some Chinese employers) dealing with 3rd party production chain, a programmer and some designers/engineers scattered across Russia = small capacity for production.

What seems help then is that in China are a big market for their products, bigger that Russian market.

BTW - They say that MCG grip first batch will be 1000 units.

[Vlerkies]

What I am trying to say is that perhaps I have a Cougar, or a Warthog, or CH or something else, why is VKB for me.

I have been around the block a few times over the years with simming, as a lot of us have, and just wonder if these folks are not maybe missing a trick.

In contrast and by example, MFG for instance, really (somehow) took the ambiguity out of it all when they hit the market

[ATAG_Highseas]

What I am trying to say is that perhaps I have a Cougar, or a Warthog, or CH or something else, why is VKB for me.

I have been around the block a few times over the years with simming, as a lot of us have, and just wonder if these folks are not maybe missing a trick.

In contrast and by example, MFG for instance, really (somehow) took the ambiguity out of it all when they hit the market

The mechanism. Simple as that.

The VKB mechanism is well thought out.

(whether it is well executed when it is built will come down to other factors, but as a design, its solid in principle.)

MFG or Slaw pedals same... the design is well thought out. Manufacturing is also superb.


The Warthog gimbal design is daft from a mechanical point of view. Really daft.

It's about as convoluted a method of making an X Y axis as you could dream up. A vertically moving plunger.

I'm not keen in the least.


I still think its really odd that nobody made a better gimbal for the warthog stick.



So I think that is it... (is for me at least) the VKB mechanism makes sense from an engineering point of view.

[Vlerkies]

So I think that is it... (is for me at least) the VKB mechanism makes sense from an engineering point of view.
Don't dispute that, as with the Cougar the default Warthog gimbel is less than an engineering masterpiece.

It's probably just me, but I just find the site and the offering/s less than clear.

I had a Cougar once that was also ridiculous stock, with a U2Nxt mod + hals it was still the best hotas I ever owned, way better than the Hog imho.
Still gutted I sold it.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Don't dispute that, as with the Cougar the default Warthog gimbel is less than an engineering masterpiece.

It's probably just me, but I just find the site and the offering/s less than clear.

I had a Cougar once that was also ridiculous stock, with a U2Nxt mod + hals it was still the best hotas I ever owned, way better than the Hog imho.
Still gutted I sold it.

Nope... that's definitely not just you.. that's true enough.

The European site is... erm... yeah.... the USA one is better, but again its limited. Its a carbon copy of the Russian site. The South American one is probably the most informative.



I read about the Cougar U2Nxt mod... looked like a superb upgrade. It's why is so odd that nothing like that came along (third party) for the Warthog.


I think if it were not for Cliffs of Dover I'd never have heard about VKB. or Slaw or MFG for that matter.

If I was starting out again now and had minimal budget I'd go with CH Pro all the way. It's certainly (as at todays date) what I would recommend to new players

chucking the sort of cash at peripherals I seemingly have requires two things...

a love of Clod (or similar sim) and a huge amount of patient time slowly upgrading.


The love of Clod would have kept me here irrespective !

[Vlerkies]

By design the Cougar gimbels were made from cheap soft pseudo metal alloy, that even if brand new were rubbish and far from smooth and wore over time. The rest of the hotas offered a lot though!
IJ designed and produced the gimbels, and I dont often compliment a kiwi but work of art right there, together with CubPilot (hals) produced a wonderful mod.

Plug an play, no dummies guide required. It was really sweet but the way the Cougar was designed inadvertently allowed for that.

I have modded the springs on my Hog with customs tensions I had made up, but if VKB offers something better, I will 9 out of 10 times throw money at it.

my old cougar u2nxt, stick side
27222

[9./JG52 Kettarian_Fox]

I agree with Vlerkies re:deficiencies of communication VKB is demonstrating.
Have no problem with their product though being a proud owner of the latest Mamba with a cam-based loading mechanism, which might just be the finest piece of mechanical engineering I have ever had the honour to hold in my hands.

The only thing that bothers me is a lowish tension even using the most powerful springs, when combined with an extension and a Warthog stick - good for helicopters, but somewhat lacking for airplanes...
Which is why I ordered a Gunfighter a couple of month back lol

[1lokos]

I have modded the springs on my Hog with customs tensions I had made up, but if VKB offers something better, I will 9 out of 10 times throw money at it.


For use Warthog/Cougar grip are alternatives:

VKB Gunfighter base standalone - when (if) available.

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only

- Not cheap, but more affordable than UberNXT at time.

Baur BRD base is other option - too low available.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2087-obzor-igrovogo-komplekta-ot-brd/page-18#entry443905

- Baur base is probable the one more suitable for ones in the "Quest for the Feel Simulation".

VirPil T-50 base - when (IF) available.

https://virpil.com/en/blog/43-mongoost-50-mechanism

- This will be the more affordable option.

[Vlerkies]

For use Warthog/Cougar grip are alternatives:

VKB Gunfighter base standalone - when (if) available.

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only


Thanks 1lokos

Now as a replacement 'base' for my hotas stick component that may very well interest me, as I can envisage by looking at the pictures that the gimbel design is better than the stock hog plastic.
So unplug the stick handle and use that base I assume instead?

What does 'turnable axis' mean in the product description, is that rudder for those that dont have it?

[ATAG_Highseas]

Thanks 1lokos

Now as a replacement 'base' for my hotas stick component that may very well interest me, as I can envisage by looking at the pictures that the gimbel design is better than the stock hog plastic.
So unplug the stick handle and use that base I assume instead?

What does 'turnable axis' mean in the product description, is that rudder for those that dont have it?

using the warthog / couger stick on eth VKB base requires and additional PCB to be wired into the stick. (I ordered the bas and the PCB).

Turntable axis (as far as I understand it) just means you can clamp the stick from 0 degrees (ie straight) to another offset as you like...

no idea why you would want to do that though.

presumably a comfort thing?!

[Vlerkies]

(I ordered the bas and the PCB).

Would be very interested to hear your impressions when you have it all setup and have had some time to test it out.

[1lokos]

So unplug the stick handle and use that base I assume instead?


Is not exactly "PnP", is required open Warthog (Cougar) Grip, remove their connector part, fit VKB electronic adapter under original Shift Register PCB, install VKB adapter and then "plug" on VKB base. :D

This parts - optional not included in Gunfighter base:

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-tm-warthog-adapter-for-gunfighter

To "play" is need update VKB firmware, load the profile suitable for Warthog through VKB DevCfg software.

The process is similar to install this early adapter - without electronic circuit:

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2178

Is not difficult, some people do "in a minute", but some people mess with this (http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/download/file.php?id=3707&t=1).

This "Tunable axes" can mean:

Is possible set response curves, deadzone, "dual rate", trim "cheater"... for axes in VKB DevCfg and save then in controller EPROM - instead use a memory hungry Windows software running in games background.

But can mean to:

Is possible "tuning" the axis feel trough exchange CAM profile and/or springs and "dry clutch" adjust.

[Vlerkies]

Not exactly "PnP", is required open Warthog (Cougar) Grip, remove their connector part, fit VKB electronic adapter under original Shift Register PCB, install VKB adapter and the "plug" on VKB base. :D

This parts - optional not included in Gunfighter base:

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-tm-warthog-adapter-for-gunfighter

To "play" is need, update VKB firmware, load the profile suitable for Warthog through VKB DevCfg software.

Similar to this early adapter - without electronic adapter:

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2178

Is not difficult, some people do "in a minute", but some people mess with this (http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/download/file.php?id=3707&t=1).

This "Tunable axes" can mean:

Is possible set response curves, deadzone, "dual rate", trim "cheater"... for axes in VKB DevCfg and save then in controller EPROM - instead use a memory hungry Windows software running in games background.

But can mean to:

Is possible "tuning" the axis feel trough exchange CAM profile and/or springs and "dry clutch" adjust.
Seems easy enough. Thank you again for your very useful and informative input 1lokos :salute:

Is there a VKB page on their website that explains this?
So me as an average simmer with a warthog, who has heard about this great hardware and hardware mods, can go to and see exactly what I need to buy and how i must configure it?
It's this part of the marketing I think that is letting them down a bit.

Again, not knocking the hardware, actually it looks pretty darn good, just info like this seems less obvious to a prospective customer. (unless i missed it of course :doh: )


edit: how about a Warthog KIT page? have warthog want to convert, this is what you need and how to do it?

[9./JG52 Kettarian_Fox]

Just as Sokol written above - you take your Warthog stick apart, pull some stuff out, put the adapter in, put the stick back together. Very easy, if your hands grow from the right place. Took me 15 minutes or thereabouts.
I imagine the new one for the Gunfighter will be similar.
The only critique I have to offer is that they didn't account for the shifted center of gravity that this stick has - and it's one heavy stick, actually heavier than the Mamba base that I have. Well sorta they did, by including a special cam for pitch axis, for Warthog sticks only - much better solution though would've been to shift the point of connection through the adapter to the front, by 2 cm or so. I've suggested it to them, but judging from their announcements they are doing it like before for the Gunfighter.
The problem with that special cam for me is that it has a defined center - basically you know when you go through the center point like with most joysticks, because there is a bump. And I really like to have no center at all - perfect for helis and prop planes which is what I fly nowadays. You can do with normal cams in Mamba with the second strongest set of springs and a bit of calibration for desktop, however using an extention - and it's a long one they offer, I think almost 20 cm - even with the strongest set of springs with a Warthog stick it leans quite a bit forward.
Solved it by installing the base leaning a bit towards me and slightly to the right in my cockpit, but am really looking for the Gunfighter with it's stronger springs and a possibility to mount two springs on one axis.

And yes you can turn your stick anticlockwise, both desktop and with an extension. 15 degrees is the limit in the Gunfighter, Mamba I'm unsure but it works for me))

[1lokos]

So me as an average simmer with a warthog, who has heard about this great hardware and hardware mods, can go to and see exactly what I need to buy and how i must configure it?


You need buy:

VKB Gunfighter base (that came without grip, with VKB KG 12-B grip is more 30/40$).
VKB adapter kit (mechanical, electronic, CAM, springs).
VKB 20 cm extension (case want one) - the extension "S" try compensate the out of balance of (heavy) Warthog grip mentioned by Kettarian_Fox.

But all this was postponed again, realistic expect that this "more two-three weeks" will easy turn in "two mounts". :D

[ATAG_Highseas]

realistic expect that this "more two-three weeks" will easy turn in "two mounts". :D


hahaha !!

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[PhoenixCNE]

ha!... 1Lokos is right again !

Shipping of the Gunfighter initial batch is delayed somewhat due to delays in the supply chain of the Gunfighter's PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards) and PCBAs (Printed Ciruit Board Assembly). These delays were outside of the control of VKB HQ and pushed back the delivery date by about two - three weeks. VKB HQ promised to provide me with an up-to-date shipping date on (or before) March 28.

I've waited a year. I can wait another month or three if needs be.

My guess is the European shop will be listing them after they are actually "physically" available. !

I still can't speak Russian or Chinese.... so no idea there !

Maybe you could fill me in when you get this up to date shipping info. Apparently they don't communicate with everyone equally, I sure didn't hear squat about delays only saw the consignment allotment had been hit and then retracted.

[1lokos]

PhoenixCNE

VKB North America reseller do their best to keep interested people up to date - limited to VKB info/delays. :)

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=2803

This above quote was from email/newsletter he send yesterday for ones that did Gunfighter pre-order.

You can sign their newsletter there:

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?page_id=818

[PhoenixCNE]

PhoenixCNE

VKB North America reseller do their best to keep interested people up to date - limited to VKB info/delays. :)

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=2803

This above quote was from email/newsletter he send yesterday for ones that did Gunfighter pre-order.

You can sign their newsletter there:

http://vkbcontrollers.com/?page_id=818

This is my complaint 1lokos lol ... I did pre-order and received no emails. At least you guys are good up to date info!

[sw1ive]

Where can I buy this stick ?

Shipping for South Europe... Greece... (Hellas)

Thanks...

[ATAG_Highseas]

Where can I buy this stick ?

Shipping for South Europe... Greece... (Hellas)

Thanks...

https://flightsimcontrols.com/

(not listed as being in stock yet... I think they will most likely get a shipment sent to them and sell once in house)

[ATAG_Highseas]

This is my complaint 1lokos lol ... I did pre-order and received no emails. At least you guys are good up to date info!

I will post them here as I get them !

[69th_Zeb]

Stuff looks good though, and more than that the designs are logical from a mechanical viewpoint, and excellent from an engineering viewpoint.

Well said. Sometimes beautiful engineering and mechanical elegance don't go together all that well. Haha. I like working on the older planes, because they often just have lawnmower cables and tractor carbs. A run of 1000 sounds like they're pretty serious about it though. Fatigue, beatings, and time will tell!

[Bonditaria]

VKB FSC Europe posted an update on 23rd March 2017

https://flightsimcontrols.com/2017/03/gladiator-pro-mk-ii-gunfighter-and-modern-combat-grip/


Gunfighter series

The EU production batch is running right now. When testing is completed, joysticks will be shipped to EU store and we will open ordering. Currently it is estimated to be started by the end of April. More details will be published soon.

:thumbsup:

[ATAG_Highseas]

Hot off the press:


Gunfighter Update News
Hi guys,

just really quick - I've promised a status update on March 28, and VKB HQ has told me to wait one more day until they can make a statement for the definite Gunfighter shipping date.
The reason for this extra day's wait lies with the PCB supplier who seems to be a day late in getting the PCBs to VKB.

Sadly, these new PCBs are the only missing component now and slow everything down... With a brand new product like the Gunfighter, a single supplier having issues will affect everything else, and I hope you understand that this is as frustrating for VKB as it is for you.
That said, I will send out another email blast most likely sometime tomorrow once I have news from VKB HQ about the shipping date. Hang in there!


Until next time!




So.... There we are..... haha!


Edit

That's new from the USA distributers by the way.

The European shop is getting these shipped to them for onward dispatch... so I guess they will get shipped to the Netherlands at the same time the US customers (and lil' ole British me) get theirs shipped from China.


Glad now that I didn't get my nice to order it and bring with here on Friday when she comes to visit.... !!

[ATAG_Highseas]

and i quote:

"Hi Guys,

I promised you some details about a firm shipping date for the Gunfighter sticks, but Ilya at VKB HQ told me earlier via Skype that there are still some issues with yesterday's new PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards) that need to bee resolved first.

This is currently the highest priority VKB HQ is working on, and once again I will have to postpone the good news about a concrete shipping date another day or two.

Please keep in mind that this delay is all due to a single supplier in the Gunfighter supply chain, whose problems with their components were out of VKB's control - but this keeps currently delaying the shipping date.

If you think that the wait for the Gunfighter is getting too long, feel free to request a refund for your order.

Until next time, "

[PhoenixCNE]

and i quote:

"Hi Guys,

I promised you some details about a firm shipping date for the Gunfighter sticks, but Ilya at VKB HQ told me earlier via Skype that there are still some issues with yesterday's new PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards) that need to bee resolved first.

This is currently the highest priority VKB HQ is working on, and once again I will have to postpone the good news about a concrete shipping date another day or two.

Please keep in mind that this delay is all due to a single supplier in the Gunfighter supply chain, whose problems with their components were out of VKB's control - but this keeps currently delaying the shipping date.

If you think that the wait for the Gunfighter is getting too long, feel free to request a refund for your order.

Until next time, "

Are you receiving emails pretty regularly? Starting to get pissed off that I'm getting 0 communication, maybe my money is better spent elsewhere.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Just mail them and ask to be put on the list

Click click. ....done.

I assume....

[PhoenixCNE]

Just mail them and ask to be put on the list

Click click. ....done.

I assume....

Ah ... didn't realize there was need to join a mailing list I guess I thought an order was enough to warrant an email to tell you whats happening lol.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Ah ... didn't realize there was need to join a mailing list I guess I thought an order was enough to warrant an email to tell you whats happening lol.

well... yeah... in my case it was !

I'd definitely ask them why you are not included on the list.

I will keep posting here in any case.

[ATAG_Highseas]

And then....




Hi Guys,

Today I learned that we can expect another 2-3 weeks of delay until the Gunfighters finally start shipping.

This delay is the result of a single supplier who had to re-design the PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards), and these will still have to be FCC (Federal Communications Commission) and CE (Conformité Européene) certified. This overall process is what's taking so long currently.

Again, feel free to contact me for a refund if you don't want to wait any longer for your Gunfighter order to ship!

In other news:

BlackBox:

The BlackBox (active USB controller) has been redesigned for the Gunfighter sticks to now include an industrial strength "BUS" connector (rather than the older RJ45 connector)
The new BlackBox design is also more resistant to ESD (Electorstatic Discharge) - up to 15,000 Volts
The newly designed industrial connector also allows for a cable length of up to 5m (16ft) between the Gunfighter base on the BlackBox - this should be enough for any sim-pit builder out there
The older BlackBox is software-compatible with the new one
Gunfighter Pro:
The Gunfighter Pro has passed the 'Accelerated Lifetime Testing' with a force of 13kg (28.5lbs) at the top of the extension and is now rated for a 0-3kg (6.5lbs) lifetime force - which is a pretty good value
The Modern Combat Grip (MCG) received some love:

The second trigger was redesigned to receive a contactless MaRS sensor and will now fold up to put it into "gun safe" mode (or anything else you assign that button as)
You're getting a 'pinky' switch - but it moved up and to the left to accommodate the grip design
The internal structure was made stronger by adding "ribs"
The electronics solution was improved to allow for a more modular approach
The palm rest was made wider
The grip's shape has been improved to match that of the original aircraft more closely - stay tuned for a new render soon!
And, last but not least:

VKB HQ is working on a Modern Split Throttle Grip for their upcoming modular Throttle Control System (TCS)
It's based on the Su-35's throttle grips and will go handsomely with the upcoming Modern Combat Grip (MCG)
Now that's something to look forward to!

Until next time,


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[Tibsun]

Oh man, I'm so excited for the Gunfighter Pro the ECP and TCP.

Europe has to wait a little longer than North America...

[PhoenixCNE]

In case you missed it (I'm sure you haven't) shipping finally starts tomorrow April 25th! Was soo wonderful to read this right after I got back from the hospital after crushing a hand and exploding one of my fingers :P <sigh> O well guess I will have time to stare at it before I can use it.

[ATAG_Highseas]

In case you missed it (I'm sure you haven't) shipping finally starts tomorrow April 25th! Was soo wonderful to read this right after I got back from the hospital after crushing a hand and exploding one of my fingers :P <sigh> O well guess I will have time to stare at it before I can use it.

Yep...

Still waiting for my tracking code.... and I was "Invoice #0016"

I was rather expecting to be first to hear....

so... maybe a month or two :laugh:


oh.. on an after thought .... (rather embarrasing)

Sorry to hear about the finger. Hope it repairs itself soon.

[PhoenixCNE]

Yep...

Still waiting for my tracking code.... and I was "Invoice #0016"

I was rather expecting to be first to hear....

so... maybe a month or two :laugh:


oh.. on an after thought .... (rather embarrasing)

Sorry to hear about the finger. Hope it repairs itself soon.

Any movement on yours shipping yet? Been a few days and still no word other than the announcement on website that said there was no more stock allocated for them until mid may. I have no idea if that means I am waiting even longer or if ours are not included in that message and being shipped. I understand they are shipping them first come first serve, I must have been a lot farther back in line than I thought after ordering on first day.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Any movement on yours shipping yet? Been a few days and still no word other than the announcement on website that said there was no more stock allocated for them until mid may. I have no idea if that means I am waiting even longer or if ours are not included in that message and being shipped. I understand they are shipping them first come first serve, I must have been a lot farther back in line than I thought after ordering on first day.

Nope.

I did ask....

and was told i woudl be emailed as soon as it has a tracking number.

Nothing since.

I also ordered on the first day.

I'm starting to think they haven't shipped any at all.... or maybe they got bored of shipping after order #15 ?

[ATAG_Highseas]

I've just asked again...

ordering on day one and hearing nothing at the end of the first week of shipping is a bit worrying.

Keep ya posted.

EDIT: that was quick !!

Nope, no holdup. Just another holiday in China (until May 2).

However, VKB HQ already shipped out two batches of Gunfighter orders, and yours should be amongst them - but I haven't gotten all the tracking numbers yet (they're always lagging behind a day or two because nothing is automated here).

Worry not. I as soon as I get tracking numbers, I update my orders-in-progress. :)

[1lokos]

Ready to be packed - in "more two weeks, be sure"™. :)

http://i.imgur.com/Xpta7fH.jpg

[1lokos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuG9mPtu4QM

[ATAG_Highseas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuG9mPtu4QM

ohhh.....

I WANT MINE NOW !!!!!!!!

maybe Tuesday...

or...

"two weeks"

[ATAG_Highseas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuG9mPtu4QM

Whats the other stick base? is that a mamba?

[1lokos]

Yes, Black Mamba Mk.II with Cobra M5 grip and extension.

[PhoenixCNE]

tease :P

the worst part is not having any idea how long, just that "shipping has started" and then the out of stock on everything

[ATAG_Highseas]

tease :P

the worst part is not having any idea how long, just that "shipping has started" and then an the out of stock on everything

Yeah...

It's a very odd system they have...

Lucky i have saint like paTiENCE !!!!!!!

[LuseKofte]

Let me lighten your waiting by showing my stick

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/finno2/16508135_1551978041497299_6468580286423278104_n_zp sm0qwoebo.jpg

It is a very good stick, witch I grown very fond of, I waited from ordering it about 7 weeks, this is because it is being made by order. I think you guys will wait for a bit, but I also think the waiting is worth while. I think this stick will be awesome, I sure hope so. I would have been there waiting with you if it was not for the fact that I wanted a non sentering stick. Now I wait for this.
Got cheap from eBay
https://ssli.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTk5WDc0OQ==/z/6-YAAOSw7U5Y~SWB/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F
So in a way I am waiting with you. I miss flying bombers with a yoke.
I trust you will give a good and long review when you get the stick, I think it is very good quality , wish you all the best

[ATAG_Highseas]

I trust you will give a good and long review when you get the stick, I think it is very good quality , wish you all the best

Absolutely will !

[ATAG_Highseas]

and today:



They had me check hundreds of shipping slips today, and yours was amongst them, and I saw tracking numbers there too. So yours is going to be shipped either today or tomorrow (Shenzhen, China timezone).

So, it's happening really soon now. :)

So... thats China to the UK...

Two weeks for sure.

[ATAG_Highseas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuG9mPtu4QM

so......

how's it feel ?

[LuseKofte]

Highseas, did you order with floor extension or the table version?

[PhoenixCNE]

and today:



They had me check hundreds of shipping slips today, and yours was amongst them, and I saw tracking numbers there too. So yours is going to be shipped either today or tomorrow (Shenzhen, China timezone).

So, it's happening really soon now. :)

So... thats China to the UK...

Two weeks for sure.

Ugh ... I'm still in the dark on things just periodically check my order status to change from processing :( I'm just hoping this week sometime, not a big deal just really don't want to break this warthog open and grease it again although it desperately needs it. I went for the floor mount version with extension, hoping it works out like I'm imagining but I may have to change my seat a bit to make it work well.

[1lokos]

http://i.imgur.com/Feb9IpD.jpg

"Dry clutch" set for heli':

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOx6RiCqoDe1QlnJewQjuHhbc6kFv1Y8BmWnlVdnYeiHa 3QPtCgiqxIbGu_WFnm5w/photo/AF1QipNaEEKC3pVUEn8U6aJ7H8uRhk8Hs_QFJkFm4nvN?key=W WtpUTZEX29RR1ZJbjluc1doVWg1eHh0d0gxUHRR

[ATAG_Highseas]

Highseas, did you order with floor extension or the table version?

Table top.

[ATAG_Highseas]

really don't want to break this warthog open and grease it again although it desperately needs it.

Same here.

Can't wait to be shot of it. (Grip I'm keeping)

[LuseKofte]

Is dryclutch a option for all gunfighter models?

[PhoenixCNE]

Is dryclutch a option for all gunfighter models?

Yep sure is comes on all of them.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Yep sure is comes on all of them.

Indeed...

though....

will confirm...

when...

OH DEAR LORD !!!!!!!

if...


it comes

:D

[ATAG_Highseas]

Latest official update for those who havent seen it:

Yes, we're still shipping.

Hi Guys,

I've been working closely with VKB HQ on a really large number of international shipping invoices during the last couple of days for all pending Gunfighter deliveries, and this task is quite enormous. It's easy for me to see now why the shipping process takes some time.

Hang in there - everything is going to plan - all shipping invoices are now complete.

The next step is the DHL agent picking up all orders, and returning with tracking numbers to VKB HQ. Once VKB HQ sends them to me, I can complete your orders and you will receive your tracking numbers.

Thanks for your patience!

My guess is that this means units also being shipped to the Netherlands for EU distribution so would expect EU orders to go live in... oh I dunno...

TWO WEEKS !

[ATAG_Pattle]

I'm not even getting one. But have been following this thread and you guys hanging out for your new stick for quite a while. I'm looking forward to it for you all!

Pattle :salute:

[BOO]

I'm starting to fall a little out of love with my Sidewinder.

So it seems my choice appears to be the Gunfighter (and an indefinite wait) or the Warthog plus an extension. For different reasons neither fill me with enthusiasm but I'm getting tired of the DCS FFB glitches that are never easily cured.

In short - if I ordered the vkb gunfighter now, how long (i'll take earth years) will I have to wait and how or where do I order one from?

Cheers BOO

[1lokos]

Depends where's you live, for now the priority is send for pre-order made trough North America re-seller, next is the Russian orders.

European re-seller (in Netherlands) only will take orders after the sticks arrive there - probable to avoid "cock-ups" with delivery dates.

For what I get in Russian forum this 1st Gunfighter batch sum around 1000 units.

How long will take for make another batch is unknow - in the past are around 1 batch per year, even the Gladiator "vanilla" became "sold out" eventually.

Not sure, but seems VKB will sell through Aliexpress in end of this May, what made the stick more easily to buy worldwide.

[PhoenixCNE]

I'm starting to fall a little out of love with my Sidewinder.

So it seems my choice appears to be the Gunfighter (and an indefinite wait) or the Warthog plus an extension. For different reasons neither fill me with enthusiasm but I'm getting tired of the DCS FFB glitches that are never easily cured.

In short - if I ordered the vkb gunfighter now, how long (i'll take earth years) will I have to wait and how or where do I order one from?

Cheers BOO

Unfortunately they way they have their business set up you couldn't just go order one right now. They seem to feel out demand on forums and such and then take orders/start production in short order of each other. So really there is only a small window of time between them actually opening ordering and the limited stock that they have selling out. Sadly the best course of action (although slightly infuriating) is to just scan the forums regularly and try to get a feel when things are happening. North America orders goto vkbcontrollers.com, not sure what best choice is for EU orders.

[ATAG_Highseas]

I'm starting to fall a little out of love with my Sidewinder.

So it seems my choice appears to be the Gunfighter (and an indefinite wait) or the Warthog plus an extension. For different reasons neither fill me with enthusiasm but I'm getting tired of the DCS FFB glitches that are never easily cured.

In short - if I ordered the vkb gunfighter now, how long (i'll take earth years) will I have to wait and how or where do I order one from?

Cheers BOO

Keep your eyes on the European site Boo.

My guess is European sales will start at the same time mine arrives.

[BOO]

Keep your eyes on the European site Boo.

My guess is European sales will start at the same time mine arrives.

Cant I just have yours? - I hate waiting and you said you're patient........

[BOO]

HS, lokos and Phoenix - Thanks chaps!!

[ATAG_Highseas]

Cant I just have yours? - I hate waiting

But of course you can !


I've always secretly wanted to be a waiter. So glamourous wouldn't you agree?

Everything ok for you sir?

More bread and olives ? why certainly sir.

Can I get you any rudder pedals with that sir?

:gourmet:

My my. Isn't sir quite the hungry fellow.


Man.... what a slob.....

[BOO]

But of course you can !


I've always secretly wanted to be a waiter. So glamourous wouldn't you agree?

Everything ok for you sir?

More bread and olives ? why certainly sir.

Can I get you any rudder pedals with that sir?

:gourmet:

My my. Isn't sir quite the hungry fellow.


Man.... what a slob.....

Have you ever checked you local water supply for any form of contaminates HS? :-)

[BOO]

BTW I notice the EF2000 on the box art. Perhaps the F35 would have been more appropriate..

[ATAG_Highseas]

Have you ever checked you local water supply for any form of contaminates HS? :-)

Good plan. If there are any I could stock up.

:P

[ATAG_Highseas]

News just in..

All USA orders have now shipped

(Including my one to the Uk)

;)

[PhoenixCNE]

News just in..

All USA orders have now shipped

(Including my one to the Uk)

;)

Yay! .. now I'm assuming all we have to wait on is them receiving and distributing tracking numbers?

[ATAG_Highseas]

That's what the email says. Tracking numbers in a few days.....

[ATAG_Highseas]

I have a tracking number !!

WHOOOOO HOOOOO !!!!!

Its currently in singapore !!

Yipee !!!!

[BOO]

your tracking number is in Singapore?

[PhoenixCNE]

I have a tracking number !!

WHOOOOO HOOOOO !!!!!

Its currently in singapore !!

Yipee !!!!

Very good! ... now we get to see how far in line I was behind you lol

[1lokos]

your tracking number is in Singapore?

I think he means he's traveling to Singapore to pick up his Gunfighter there. :)

[ATAG_Highseas]

I think he means he's traveling to Singapore to pick up his Gunfighter there. :)

Well..... only takes two weeks so.....

[PhoenixCNE]

I have a tracking number !!

WHOOOOO HOOOOO !!!!!

Its currently in singapore !!

Yipee !!!!

+1! just received my tracking number as well :D Rrohde is the man, workin late into the night to keep things updated it would seem.

[ATAG_Highseas]

hahahah !!

did you get this too?

"Hi Guys,

With the help of Gunfighter owner 'tecman69', VKB HQ was able to identify a potential issue that could affect the Gunfighter's x-axis dry clutch damper; the screws that hold down the dust cover are 2mm too long and could add unwanted friction.

To resolve this, please go ahead and loosen the two forward screws of the Gunfighter's dust cover by 1-2 full turns (see image above). This should take care of it!"

Open box..... get hacksaw.... enjoy !

hahaha!

[PhoenixCNE]

hahahah !!

did you get this too?

"Hi Guys,

With the help of Gunfighter owner 'tecman69', VKB HQ was able to identify a potential issue that could affect the Gunfighter's x-axis dry clutch damper; the screws that hold down the dust cover are 2mm too long and could add unwanted friction.

To resolve this, please go ahead and loosen the two forward screws of the Gunfighter's dust cover by 1-2 full turns (see image above). This should take care of it!"

Open box..... get hacksaw.... enjoy !

hahaha!

Yeah at least that's a pretty minor modification, I noticed it on the forum but thankfully wouldn't have missed it even if I hadn't thanks to you lol. Very fast shipping though they say it should be arriving Tuesday .

[ATAG_Highseas]

WHOOOOOOIEEE

Mine is due on Wednesday.

Exciting stuff!

Wednesday night I will be in the garage repairing it for first use.

Haha!

[BOO]

WHOOOOOOIEEE

Mine is due on Wednesday.

Exciting stuff!

Wednesday night I will be in the garage repairing it for first use.

Haha!

beware of strange men in aviation related jackets loitering around Chateau Highseas on Wednesday Morning.............

[ATAG_Highseas]

beware of strange men in aviation related jackets loitering around Chateau Highseas on Wednesday Morning.............

Château ?

oh how ghastley.

oh the very thought!


wading through acres of chateaubriand just to get to the vineyard? No Sir.. not I !



And that is why I live in a sensible smallish sized semi-detached house in the less well-off part of the very outskirts of Olde Brighton (and Hove) Town.

It's a life choice ok.

:D

[SIA_Sp00k]

You guys are so squished up over there. Can't one post office handle all the orders? A postman might have to trade in his push bike for a row boat to reach the Island, but that shouldn't result in postal delays should it?

Perhaps you could request a drone delivery?

[ATAG_Highseas]

Eek...

First Gunfighter in the UK. And it's Mine all Mine.

We havent met yet as it is negotiating with Customs at Heathrow !

my guess is it will get to Gatwick tomorrow and arrive on Wednesday as predicted.

[PhoenixCNE]

Eek...

First Gunfighter in the UK. And it's Mine all Mine.

We havent met yet as it is negotiating with Customs at Heathrow !

my guess is it will get to Gatwick tomorrow and arrive on Wednesday as predicted.

Well I'm sure its not the first one in the US but it finally arrived! Box was much smaller than I expected it to be and worried me until I got it open lol. All looks good tho it even came with what I assume(hope) is a drink coaster (well I've been setting my beers on it) and this BITCHIN new hat! 27999 Now please ... please when you start seeing me online (which will be soon I promise) try to picture me wearing this as you shoot me down :)

** I kinda look like a shriner in mourning .... they have funeral fez's?

[ATAG_Highseas]

Well I'm sure its not the first one in the US but it finally arrived! Box was much smaller than I expected it to be and worried me until I got it open lol. All looks good tho it even came with what I assume(hope) is a drink coaster (well I've been setting my beers on it) and this BITCHIN new hat! 27999 Now please ... please when you start seeing me online (which will be soon I promise) try to picture me wearing this as you shoot me down :)

** I kinda look like a shriner in mourning .... they have funeral fez's?

WHOAAAA !!!!!

That hat ROCKS !!

I've pretty much lost interest in the stick.

Do a hat review!


Have you noticed loads (more) ladies checking you (and your hat) out?

Presumably it is equally at home in a formal setting (theatre / fine dining establishment) as in more relaxed environs, maybe a Vanilla Ice gig or similar informal musical gathering.

can you test it for us?


Here hoping....

EDIT

Post photos.

[BOO]

WHOAAAA !!!!!

That hat ROCKS !!

I assume these "hats" provide some hierarchy between desktoppers and long stickers at VKB fanboy meets.

You do have meets don't you? Us Sidewinder owners (Sidies as we like to be known) are famous for our annual conference/hootenanny in the dogging area just at the back of Tibshelf services on the M1.

Last year we had Colin Shufflebottom as guest speaker. Never heard of him? No, neither had I.

[ATAG_Highseas]

I assume these "hats" provide some hierarchy between desktoppers and long stickers at VKB fanboy meets.

You do have meets don't you? Us Sidewinder owners (Sidies as we like to be known) are famous for our annual conference/hootenanny in the dogging area just at the back of Tibshelf services on the M1.

Last year we had Colin Shufflebottom as guest speaker. Never heard of him? No, neither had I.

As yet us Gunnies havent organaised any events. Though being first in the UK I suppose that make me Grandmaster Gunnie of Albion.

Yet another plaque to put on the mantlepiece next to my signed David Michael Knight Hasselhoff Lp's


Not sure a Sidey convention is for me to be honest.

I'm really not at all that keen on the M1.


Tell me.... Do you have ceremonial hats?

[BOO]

No - that's just silly.

Lew comes and lays out the "Alter of Feedback" (I think you may have seen it in his posts) and we make a sacrifice of a Ginsters Breakfast bar to the great god "SPRING EFFECT".

Its all very sopfi....sofist....grown up.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Item 13....

unlucky for some.

28009

[Bonditaria]

Do a hat review!

Post photos.


First impression... Head tracking is woefully inaccurate now!




https://s22.postimg.org/pdvxqg61t/IMG_7887_cr.jpg

edit, this is of course a Gladiator Pro hat not a Gunfighter, also it has a red label that says remove before flight, which is just confusing me every time I use it!

[ATAG_Highseas]

First impression... Head tracking is woefully inaccurate now!




aI WANT MY HAT !!!!!!

[ATAG_Highseas]

EVENT CATEGORY
10 May 17 2:01 PM - Shipment delivered - GATWICK,UNITED KINGDOM


WHOOOO HOOOO !!!!!

[PhoenixCNE]

EVENT CATEGORY
10 May 17 2:01 PM - Shipment delivered - GATWICK,UNITED KINGDOM


WHOOOO HOOOO !!!!!

........ (waiting for hat pic)

[ATAG_Highseas]

........ (waiting for hat pic)

Never fear ! It's on my to do list !!

[ATAG_Vampire]

Firework Display in Brighton tonight then? :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

[ATAG_Highseas]

Firework Display in Brighton tonight then? :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

You insinuating I'm going to short out the new PCB when I put it in the Warthog grip ?

Bzzzzz !

[PhoenixCNE]

You insinuating I'm going to short out the new PCB when I put it in the Warthog grip ?

Bzzzzz !

Lol this I have not tackled yet .. maybe tonight. I do like the kg12 grip quite a bit but I wish that they were truly "quick swap" but it sounds like you have to flash the memory in the black box every time you were to switch grips, or am I reading that wrong? So far I am impressed though, my accuracy has definitely improved.

[ATAG_Vampire]

You insinuating I'm going to short out the new PCB when I put it in the Warthog grip ?

Bzzzzz !

As if I would insinuate........that a technical person of your magnitude would do that. :devilish:

I merely meant that, as the very first UK 'Lee Marvin' Gunfighter had now taken up residence at Seas Villas, there was cause for a celebration. :party2:

I shall now 'rejoin the circuit'..........Bzzzzzzzzz! :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

[ATAG_Highseas]

28013

[9./JG52 Kettarian_Fox]

That looks rad, I'll do the same when mine gets here!

P.S. Sunglasses mandatory, I assume?

[ATAG_Highseas]

P.S. Sunglasses mandatory, I assume?

Yeah Baby !!!

[ATAG_Vampire]

28013

The Grand Mufti of Brighton I presume?

No.........ah.....a Tommy Cooper tribute act then! :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

[1lokos]

FYI - :signs5:

VKB controllers momentarily ;-) available in Flightsincontrols (Netherlands):

https://flightsimcontrols.com/store/

[Tibsun]

FYI - :signs5:

VKB controllers momentarily ;-) available in Flightsincontrols (Netherlands):

https://flightsimcontrols.com/store/




Provide me the coupon code 1lokos and I'll take the Gunfighter Pro instantly

[9./JG52 Hackl]

Looking to get Gunfighter Base with MCG Pro Grip when they become available to US again.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Looking to get Gunfighter Base with MCG Pro Grip when they become available to US again.

USA are back in stock next week

[1lokos]

Gunfighters now only in September (https://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=6126).

http://i.imgur.com/h82JPAv.jpg


MCG foldable trigger lost their "mustache" - due comfort considerations.

http://i.imgur.com/HIUY9UF.jpg

[ATAG_Highseas]

Gunfighters now only in September (https://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=6126).

http://i.imgur.com/h82JPAv.jpg


MCG foldable trigger lost their "mustache" - due comfort considerations.

http://i.imgur.com/HIUY9UF.jpg

Looks like a good grip.

Im using the Warthog grip, but i suspect a lighter grip woudl allow a lot more flexibility in springs and whatnot.

Loving this stick. !

[9./JG52_Meyer]

If VKB allowed payment by paypal I would snap one of those Mongoose babies up. That way I can get one without the Obergruppenfhurer (Wife) knowing I have spent the deposit for our hols next year and I can put it back later however I would need to speak to someone on ts who has one first before I take my life in my hands and get one my testes and blunt knife are the option if caught :goofy

Hals und beinbruch

[LuseKofte]

I am intrigued by this grip, Virpil got same and it is Warthog compatible too.
The base interest me too, the clutch thingy making it non centering was to me most interesting.
Hope it got long live quality

[1lokos]

If VKB allowed payment by paypal


Their store in Aliexpress (VKBSim) will accept - but is not properly set for now, after all they have no production for sell. :)


I am intrigued by this grip, Virpil got same and it is Warthog compatible too.


The grip in above picture - MCG PRO, is not compatible with Warthog bases - since has more buttons and axis that Warthog base can handle.

The model compatible with Warthog bases is MCG-TM with the same number of buttons/axis than their F-16'ish grip.

[PhoenixCNE]

I am intrigued by this grip, Virpil got same and it is Warthog compatible too.
The base interest me too, the clutch thingy making it non centering was to me most interesting.
Hope it got long live quality

The clutches seem a bit misleading to me .. I was expecting something I could tighten all the way for a non return situation flying helicopters but tightening them to that point really makes the stick unpleasant to use, maybe I'm doing something wrong. It seems they are there just to minimize oscillation at best.

[1lokos]

The idea behind "damper" - through grease (Warthog, Gladiator "vanila") or clutch (Gunfighter) is minime spring oscillation effect, this aid in some way in aim, as stick don't tend move more (due spring effect) that you want. Anyway is subjective, some people will see benefits, other not.

[LuseKofte]

The clutches seem a bit misleading to me .. I was expecting something I could tighten all the way for a non return situation flying helicopters but tightening them to that point really makes the stick unpleasant to use, maybe I'm doing something wrong. It seems they are there just to minimize oscillation at best.

Ok That made it less interesting, I fly mainly DCS helicopters and WW2 airplanes. I have a hydraulic damped stick witch stay put where you leave it. And fine adjusting is done without moving the dampers. It require muzzle memory to get the stick centered when you fly airplane, but that come rather quick. Real airplanes stick center itself caused by airflow to the control surface when you are in speed, so for simmers flying exclusive airplanes , a self centering stick is a advantage and just as "realistic" if it is not sticky. Flying choppers a non centering stick is highly recommended , but not mandatory.

[ATAG_Highseas]

Ok That made it less interesting, I fly mainly DCS helicopters and WW2 airplanes. I have a hydraulic damped stick witch stay put where you leave it. And fine adjusting is done without moving the dampers. It require muzzle memory to get the stick centered when you fly airplane, but that come rather quick. Real airplanes stick center itself caused by airflow to the control surface when you are in speed, so for simmers flying exclusive airplanes , a self centering stick is a advantage and just as "realistic" if it is not sticky. Flying choppers a non centering stick is highly recommended , but not mandatory.

I haven't bothered with the dampers at all. I have them fully released.

To be honest not being able to adjust then without doismantling everything just sounds like more hassel than it's worth. I have the dismantle and rebuild down to a fine art now, what with all the cam and spring combinations ive tried... but even so... I could be there all month trying to get that "just right".

I think it really needs an external adjuster to make it useful. Nice idea... glad its there, I'm not using it though.

[ATAG_Highseas]

news just in:

Pre-Ordering starts October 1, 2017

Hi Guys,

Good news - pre-ordering for the next batch of VKB Gunfighters and select a choice of MCG grips will start October 1, 2017. I prepared VKBcontrollers.com with the new lineup of products - so have a look.

Here's a quick breakdown of these new products (subject to change as new information becomes available to me):

VKB Gunfighter + MCG Lineup:

Gunfighter Rev.B Modern Combat Edition + MCG
Gunfighter Rev.B Modern Combat Edition + MCG Pro
Gunfighter Pro Rev.B Modern Combat Edition + MCG
Gunfighter Pro Rev.B Modern Combat Edition + MCG Pro

NOTE: Rev.B pertains to the 3-pin connection having moved the pins into the grip to prevent damage when swapping grips! Rev.B grips/bases are not backward compatible with Gunfighter (first gen) bases and grips!

NOTE: The Gunfighter/Pro 'Vintage Edition' comes with the familiar KG12 grip.

VKB Gladiator Pro + MCG Lineup:

Gladiator Pro Mk.II Modern Combat Edition + MCG
Gladiator Pro Mk.II Modern Combat Edition + MCG Pro

NOTE: The Gladiator Pro 'Vintage Edition' comes with the familiar KG12 grip.

MCG / MCG Pro Standalone Grips Lineup (3-pin):

MCG Rev.B for Gunfighter Rev.B only
MCG Pro Rev.B for Gunfighter Rev.B only
MCG for Gladiator Pro Mk.II and Gunfighter (first gen) only
MCG Pro for Gladiator Pro Mk.II and Gunfighter (first gen) only

MCG TM Standalone Grips Lineup:

MCG TM for TM Warthog bases only

MCG / MCG Pro Standalone Grips Lineup (5-pin):

NOT AVAILABLE DURING THE FIRST PRE-ORDER RUN (UNDER DEVELOPMENT)
One MCG/MCG Pro 5-pin variant will be compatible with the Gladiator Pro Mk.I and Vintage Mamba, while the other variant will be compatible with the Black Fat Mamba Mk.III

MCG-Left (3-pin):

NOT AVAILABLE DURING THE FIRST PRE-ORDER RUN (UNDER DEVELOPMENT)
MCG - Left (3-pin) variants should be compatible with Gunfighter Rev.B and Gladiator Pro Mk.II; other versions pending (there won't be a MCG-Left version for TM Warthog bases)

MCG Twist Adapter:

NOT AVAILABLE DURING THE FIRST PRE-ORDER RUN (UNDER DEVELOPMENT)
The MCG Twist Adapter will be compatible with all MCG variants except for the MCG TM, as the TM Warthog base does not support analog axes


I will keep you updated about the development of the other MCGs (5-pin and left-hand versions), as well as the Twist Adapters availability as I learn more. I also hope to have a final MCG announcement out around October 1 - so stay tuned for more info soon.

NOTE: Pre-ordering is contingent upon having received final pricing from VKB HQ prior to October 1, as well as having received a good ETA for shipment to start from VKB HQ. Worst case, pre-ordering slips by a few days.

NOTE: When pre-ordering, your credit/debit card will not be charged until the product is available for shipping from VKB HQ; if the shipping date slips, the pre-ordering plugin allows me to push back the shipping date without affecting your pre-order status.

[DOWNEAST]

news just in:

Pre-Ordering starts October 1, 2017

Hi Guys,

Good news - pre-ordering for the next batch of VKB Gunfighters and select a choice of MCG grips will start October 1, 2017. I prepared VKBcontrollers.com with the new lineup of products - so have a look.

Help for a newbie - I am curious which version would be best for my set up flying Il-2 in particular ClOD and the new ATAG patch 4.5? Any thoughts that will help me make a decision?. I am considering VKB-SIM Gunfighter Pro (vintage addition).:joystick::dazed!:

[ATAG_Highseas]

Help for a newbie - I am curious which version would be best for my set up flying Il-2 in particular ClOD and the new ATAG patch 4.5? Any thoughts that will help me make a decision?. I am considering VKB-SIM Gunfighter Pro (vintage addition).:joystick::dazed!:

well..

first off they are a boat load of money... but that aside...

My take on this when i was looking (not just at VKB) was to get something with a good quality cam based gimble.

Turned out that VKB made a gizmo that woudl allow me to use the Warthog grip on their base... and that is pretty much where my search ended.


If i didnt already have that grip I'd have most likely taken a way way cheaper route.

I hated the warthog base. others here love it. I have no idea why. (It's utter pants).

the grip itself however is superb.. as is the throttle unit...


if you are just edging into this then id seriously recommend getting a cheaper stick. MS sidewinder II is a hot favourite... £10-£20 second hand.

if you are looking to make a sim pit type affair then that most likely wont cut it.

But if you are playing from a desk. Save yourslf a few hunderd quid and get a cheap (godd) stick. rthe old Microsoft kit is great... anything (USB not Gameport) by CH products is excellent.



so.... tell us more about your setup...

(I have turned a table into a very passable simpit by the way... so it is possible with a bit of creativity)



Over to you ! describe your playing environment !

[DOWNEAST]

well..

first off they are a boat load of money... but that aside...

My take on this when i was looking (not just at VKB) was to get something with a good quality cam based gimble.

Turned out that VKB made a gizmo that woudl allow me to use the Warthog grip on their base... and that is pretty much where my search ended.


If i didnt already have that grip I'd have most likely taken a way way cheaper route.

I hated the warthog base. others here love it. I have no idea why. (It's utter pants).

the grip itself however is superb.. as is the throttle unit...


if you are just edging into this then id seriously recommend getting a cheaper stick. MS sidewinder II is a hot favourite... £10-£20 second hand.

if you are looking to make a sim pit type affair then that most likely wont cut it.

But if you are playing from a desk. Save yourslf a few hunderd quid and get a cheap (godd) stick. rthe old Microsoft kit is great... anything (USB not Gameport) by CH products is excellent.



so.... tell us more about your setup...

(I have turned a table into a very passable simpit by the way... so it is possible with a bit of creativity)



Over to you ! describe your playing environment !

Thanks SEAS for your input it's appreciated! I am new to SIMs (Jan '17) single player. Old gezzer (etc category) :grandpa experienced tail dragger private pilot flying ClOD in as much realism as I am able to manage. So far doing pretty well. My goal is to maximize flight and flying navigation skills in AC of WWII era. My set up is listed in my signature info below and pictured here: 31143

[BOO]

Wisdom of Joysticks (Standard Edition)

VKB Gunfighter - very good - expensive and difficult to get hold of. Standard grip probably wont have enough buttons compared to a regular gaming stick. You'll also need a throttle.

Above with MCG (Modern Combat Grip) - not even out yet but will have sufficient buttons - still need a throttle though as there are no axis on the device for stuff like this.

VKB Gladiator - various versions - cheaper one have plastic gimbals and a twist stick rudder - Pro have metal gimbals and NO twist rudder. Not designed for use with extensions.

Virpil - like the VKB in terms of rough concept but not many reviews yet - stick will not be suitable for desk use. Too tall. Looks to be good quality. General consensus is that the VKB design is slightly better.

Thrustmaster T1600M. Best budget stick you can buy new. Also comes in a set (I think) with rudder pedals and a throttle.

MS Sidewinder - Precisions (non feedback) 10-20 quid. Sidewinder FFBs between £25 and £90 on average (depends on who is selling and what they know about it) - very hard to get at a bargain price but not impossible. Important that you get the "2" version.

Warthog - poor gimbal design but can be DIY improved. Seem to be liked better used with extensions - Throttle sometimes available separately better suited for jets (no rotary axis) but perfectly good for WW2 sims. Some concerns about the Throttle "Bricking".


Cheers BOO

[9./JG52_Meyer]

Hi mate .my tuppence worth . I used MSFFB stick for years and swore i would never use any thing else. Got a bit pissed off with it losing feedback in some situations. Solid dependable stick will last you years . MS dont make them anymore so you will have to look on the bay to get one
So after using that stick i thought i would try something else . I got a TM16000 and at first i couldnt get on with it. The grip felt huge compared to the slimness of the MS one i was struggling to use my thumb to reach the hat switch at the top and stretching my hand to get to the switches either side but after a while i got used to it and WOW what a cheap fantastic stick. I was pulling of unbeleivable deflection shots its so accurate in its responses. My kill rates went through the roof with this stick .i then got itchy fingers and started to think about the Warthog (i am known in my squad to tinker too much with my set up you know change my already perfect for me graphic settings to something else then bugger it all up only to start from scratch again) So i bit the bullet and bought a new Warthog stick off Amazon didnt get the throttle unit i use a CH PRO for that. I find that throttle more that enough for my needs. I am very happy with the warthog on a centre mount using an 10cm extension. Took me ages to get used to this config as it felt unatural to me after using a desk mounted stick for years. I am now thinking about getting Virpil base and centre mount and putting my warthog stick on it as its compatable. Anyway my advice mate would be to go for the awesome TM16000 stick if your on a budget if not then one of the more expensive ones Warthog,Virpil,VKB which one i couldnt say as i have only tried the Warthog which i love.
Hope some of this helps or at least makes sense

Hals und beinbruch

[ATAG_Dave]

Hi mate .my tuppence worth . I used MSFFB stick for years and swore i would never use any thing else. Got a bit pissed off with it losing feedback in some situations. Solid dependable stick will last you years . MS dont make them anymore so you will have to look on the bay to get one
So after using that stick i thought i would try something else . I got a TM16000 and at first i couldnt get on with it. The grip felt huge compared to the slimness of the MS one i was struggling to use my thumb to reach the hat switch at the top and stretching my hand to get to the switches either side but after a while i got used to it and WOW what a cheap fantastic stick. I was pulling of unbeleivable deflection shots its so accurate in its responses. My kill rates went through the roof with this stick .i then got itchy fingers and started to think about the Warthog (i am known in my squad to tinker too much with my set up you know change my already perfect for me graphic settings to something else then bugger it all up only to start from scratch again) So i bit the bullet and bought a new Warthog stick off Amazon didnt get the throttle unit i use a CH PRO for that. I find that throttle more that enough for my needs. I am very happy with the warthog on a centre mount using an 10cm extension. Took me ages to get used to this config as it felt unatural to me after using a desk mounted stick for years. I am now thinking about getting Virpil base and centre mount and putting my warthog stick on it as its compatable. Anyway my advice mate would be to go for the awesome TM16000 stick if your on a budget if not then one of the more expensive ones Warthog,Virpil,VKB which one i couldnt say as i have only tried the Warthog which i love.
Hope some of this helps or at least makes sense

Hals und beinbruch

It wouldnt be the ATAG forums if someone didnt offer a contrasting view / opinion to confuse matters :) so.....

My JS time line went:

T16000M (great budget stick with the added bonus of compatibility with the TARGET software which is excellent)
Warthog (unmodified) Mostly better than the T1600M but for me its heavy, cold, too big, some of the buttons have a very unpleasant action and it never felt 'right' for WW2 aircraft
MSSW2FFB - Heaven :D and in TF4.5 there are updates coming to the FFB files which hopefully will make it even better. I tried switching back to the WH as an experiment but flying without FFB was 'orrible for me and it was promptly sold on ebay.

All the above JMHO :salute:

[ATAG_Highseas]

My set up is listed in my signature info below and pictured here: 31143

Looking good !

[ATAG_Highseas]

It wouldnt be the ATAG forums if someone didnt offer a contrasting view / opinion to confuse matters :) so.....

My JS time line went:

T16000M (great budget stick with the added bonus of compatibility with the TARGET software which is excellent)
Warthog (unmodified) Mostly better than the T1600M but for me its heavy, cold, too big, some of the buttons have a very unpleasant action and it never felt 'right' for WW2 aircraft
MSSW2FFB - Heaven :D and in TF4.5 there are updates coming to the FFB files which hopefully will make it even better. I tried switching back to the WH as an experiment but flying without FFB was 'orrible for me and it was promptly sold on ebay.

All the above JMHO :salute:

Never tried a sidewinder. Only ever heard good things about them though.

I went from a Saitek X52 Pro... which i liked but had to keep repairing buttons and eventiually I'd just has enough....

got the warthog thinking it woudlk be the end game soilution. ... the grip I really like... the gimbal i found hugely over heavy and I just never got on with... like the trottle and still use it... but id happily have CH one instead

Got a VKB gunfighter base and have eth warthog grip on thta with the VKB "pro" extension

I absolutely love this setup.

[9./JG52_Meyer]

Seas the VKB set up you have iterests me but i beleive you have to open up the Warthog stick and take out replace wiring n such . Is that right ? Is it not possible to just screw on the WH stick as it is. I cant be arsed with the hassle please convince me lol.

Hals und beinbruch

[ATAG_Highseas]

Yep... you open the stick and replace the pcb with the vkb one and the grip attachment at the base. Dead easy to do. The parts are $40 but the base on it sown is $40 less than with the vkb grip.... so its basically the same cost either way.

You also need to change the cams and springs in the base unit. Its not hard to do though.

[BOO]

BUT FIRST>>>>>>>

you need to find someone sellin the damn thing.

Windows of opportunity are akin to dropping a pound coin into the top of milk bottle travelling at 400mpg, 900ft below you...

[9./JG52_Meyer]

Cheers Seas , Boo you have shown me the way my friend looks like i will be getting the Virpil one then as soon as its up on their AMAZON page

Hals und beinbruch

[ATAG_Highseas]

Looks like a good option. Just plug and play. A decent base is what the warthog is crying out for.