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Tonka
Aug-15-2012, 19:04
There seem to be an issue with the current map on server 1.

The briefing lists M2.5 Fuel Depot near Estree, M4.5 Panzer Tanks near Devres and JU88's at Oye Plage.

The M2.5 Fuel Depot Target has not loaded, and is not visible on the airfield, where it usually is. No objects or flak are visible. We've made two trips now without seeing anything at M2.5

If one of you clever buggers who work with the maps could take a look, and maybe reboot the server, that'd be great.

Cheers.

Wolf
Aug-15-2012, 19:12
There seem to be an issue with the current map on server 1.

The briefing lists M2.5 Fuel Depot near Estree, M4.5 Panzer Tanks near Devres and JU88's at Oye Plage.

The M2.5 Fuel Depot Target has not loaded, and is not visible on the airfield, where it usually is. No objects or flak are visible. We've made two trips now without seeing anything at M2.5

If one of you clever buggers who work with the maps could take a look, and maybe reboot the server, that'd be great.

Cheers.

I remember this from a while back. was always hard to find. I don't have access to the .mis file. Send a private note to Bliss. He will either look or pass on to the correct admin.

ATAG_Bliss
Aug-15-2012, 19:19
I'll have a look at it. Thanks for letting me know Tonka.

Tonka
Aug-15-2012, 19:43
Thanks Bliss.

We've also just noticed that the JU88's at Oye Plage have not loaded either. No objects visible on the Oye Plage airfield at all.

Its not a major problem of course, we still had fun flying to the targets, but we thought it worth mentioning.

Cheers.

ATAG_Bliss
Aug-15-2012, 19:47
That's weird. Are you sure the mission has those targets in the 1st place. There's one mission where red's only targets are intercepting bombers. Does the brief say they are there?

Tonka
Aug-15-2012, 19:51
Yep, brief as in first post, M2.5, M4.5 and JU88's. The only objects we could find were the Panzer tanks, and we've put 10+ bombs on them without success too, maybe its related?

Its the first time i have ever flown on ATAG and found that the targets hadn't loaded, or are not displaying.

Warhound should be along presently with screen shots.

Warhound
Aug-15-2012, 19:58
Yup can confirm what Tonka says.
Briefing said bomb M2.5, M4.5 and Oye Plage, but Neither Oye Plage nor M2.5(fuel depot with the chimneys) were present.
M4.5 was there but after bombing it 3x with 3 bombers and pretty much levelling everything the target still didn't report as destroyed.
Blue targets did work as we saw them listed on the serverticker, think maybe there was a glitch and the server failed to load the mission fully? (know Farber had reported this during his campaign, where the bombers sometimes didn't spawn/load)

Screenshots below of M2.5 and M4.5. Forgot Oye Plage but it was empty, just 2 runways and no objects at all.

M2.5 airbase.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16366755/2012-08-16_00002.jpg

M4.5 tank depot after we flattened it, with the server not registering anything.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16366755/2012-08-16_00004.jpg

Wolf
Aug-15-2012, 20:06
Bliss, unrelated to the issue above, but I found an issue with an object incase you try to use it. and get a looping error in server Heir.Mesh error

Bug Found with a model.

I get Heir.Mesh error (Not found) when loading this object for online play.

When this is loaded in a Sub misssion I get a loop error. It was happening every now and then. But now happes 100% of time so I took out the object and all is fine.

[Stationary]
Static68 Stationary.BMW_R71_w_MG_34 de 272377.69 200100.64 340.00

ATAG_Septic
Aug-16-2012, 07:20
Bliss, unrelated to the issue above, but I found an issue with an object incase you try to use it. and get a looping error in server Heir.Mesh error

Bug Found with a model.

I get Heir.Mesh error (Not found) when loading this object for online play.

When this is loaded in a Sub misssion I get a loop error. It was happening every now and then. But now happes 100% of time so I took out the object and all is fine.

[Stationary]
Static68 Stationary.BMW_R71_w_MG_34 de 272377.69 200100.64 340.00

I've tried to understand what this might possibly mean so I can contribute but the only point of reference I can use is the Hair Net, which older women use to wear in bed to keep their hair curlers straight at night. It's probably not that, even though the hair net has a mesh.......no, I've just seen it's Heir not hair so I can't help, sorry.

Septic.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 08:35
Is there any chance this map could be re-instated on server 1 please? This map can't be won by the reds at the moment, which makes for a long few hours if there are not many blue bomber pilots online.

If it stays as it is, with no targets for Reds, can the briefing be updated to reflect this, as there are still a lot of Blenheims going to look for targets when this map is in rotation.

Many thanks either way! :salute:

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 11:36
I believe the issue is that the targets shouldn't be listed in the briefing, there aren't supposed to be any targets for Red in that mission.

The main objective is to shoot down the Blue bombers; unfortunately this mission leaves the Red bomber guys with nothing to do.


On a completely separate note, the AI bombers always miss the target at I12; they drop well short on both of their missions to that target.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 11:54
Yep, that's how i understand it too Keller, but like you say, it leaves the red bombers with nothing to do, and no way for the reds to win the map.

Out of interest, does anyone know why the red targets were removed? Blue bombers will get shot down no matter what map it is, mainly due to the targets being near airfields, so easily spotted by the reds.

Personally, i'd rather the targets were put back than the briefing changed, but i'm not sure how much hassle that is for the server commander guru's.

Cheers.

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 11:55
Ahh, but there is a way for Red to win! Shoot down all the bombers. :thumbsup:

There's the old saying, "Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake" (Napoleon Bonaparte).

Red needs to re-evaluate their strategy on this mission, I constantly see Red shooting down the wrong bombers. That's all I'll say, the rest is for the boys at Bentley Priory to figure out.

ATAG_Colander
Sep-01-2012, 11:59
The idea is:
GB defends
DE attacks

The AI bombers are set to destroy targets. If they succeed, blue wins. If reds can hold them off, red wins.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 11:59
? Are the AI bomber formations counted as objectives then? I've not seen any '80% of bomber formation destroyed' messages, like on Channel Command.

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 12:01
No, the AI bombers target the objectives. If they don't survive to drop their bombs, the targets won't be destroyed and Red will win.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 12:02
The idea is:
GB defends
DE attacks

The AI bombers are set to destroy targets. If they succeed, blue wins. If reds can hold them off, red wins.

But the AI bombers don't actually destroy the targets do they? I've only ever seen this particular map roll when human bombers have destroyed all 5 targets. I never hung around long enough to see if red win by default after the 4 hours mind!

If its staying as it is, with DE attacks only, please alter the briefing so that i don't have to keep explaining why there are no target objects on the airfields!

:salute:

ATAG_Colander
Sep-01-2012, 12:04
Yes, the AI bombers do hit targets, but many times miss. (not these type of miss http://www.missvenezuela.com/candidatas/ :PP)

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 12:06
They certainly do, why do you think there's always a swarm of 109s protecting the bombers? :flying:

Whenever this mission plays, AI bombers are responsible for 3-4 of the objectives being destroyed.

Whenever you see "XXX at X.X has been destroyed" chances are there's 12 Luftwaffe AI bombers overhead.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 12:10
At best i've seen two or three 109's escorting, while the same old Hawkinge furballs continue as normal, leaving nothing for the red bombers to do. Seems a little unfair to me, but so be it, i'm just happy to be a part of it!

Cheers.

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 12:14
That's why Bliss created this mission, to take the fight away from the airfields and move it up to 5000m.

Unfortunately, some people either don't read the briefing, or they just don't care; and that's why you see furballs over Hawkinge.

You can almost guarantee that anyone involved in a low level airfield dogfight has no idea what it is that they should be doing.

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 12:22
Right now there aren't a lot of Red bomber pilots; there were even less at the time this mission was created.

It's nice to see that the Blennys are starting to make a comeback though, I have just a much fun hunting Blennys as I do bombing targets; I just wish I could do both at the same time. :D

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 12:22
That's why Bliss created this mission, to take the fight away from the airfields and move it up to 5000m.

Unfortunately, some people either don't read the briefing, or they just don't care; and that's why you see furballs over Hawkinge.

You can almost guarantee that anyone involved in a low level airfield dogfight has no idea what it is that they should be doing.

Not many people are interested in intercepting AI bomber's though are they, except for the same old bunch getting their stat's up!? Many i time i hear flights on TS say 'oh look, bomber formation up high, lets leave them and look for 109's instead' I think we'd all rather fight against human pilots!

But, if this is the only way for the blues to win a mission, with formations up above where the red fighters are comfortable, and with no way for the red to end the map early, then i understand! :recon:

Please get the briefing changed soon though, its not very clear about what the reds should do, what with the red objectives still listed.

Cheers!

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 12:24
Right now there aren't a lot of Red bomber pilots; there were even less at the time this mission was created.

There'll be even less if they keep trotting off over the channel for no reason though mate!




It's nice to see that the Blennys are starting to make a comeback though, I have just a much fun hunting Blennys as I do bombing targets; I just wish I could do both at the same time. :D

110?

Ignore that actually, its a PITA getting the zero fps when 110's are near by!

III./ZG76_Keller
Sep-01-2012, 12:33
Yeah I know, but right now I'm not sure how many mission are in the server's rotation; could be 4, could be 6? This mission is in there twice, so it's either 2 of the 4 missions, or 2 of the 6.

You could bomb the Flak at the airfields to help out your Red boys that are circling on the deck over Pihen? :PP

Pfft, 110? 110 carries too small of a payload and is actually pretty susceptible to a Blenny's forward firing .303. Only way to hunt Blennys is a 109.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 12:55
I'm not sure how many missions there are either, this one with no targets seems to be the one that's loaded often, for myself.

How about having this map, and the one with the objects in rotation, with an accurate briefing for both? Should keep everyone happy!

How are blue boys liking the Kamikaze runs over to the tripod? We had blenny's in tow last night hoping to bomb some blue fighters on the ground, but they'd all gone to Hawkinge before we got there!

(Please don't take my comments as moaning chaps, like i said above, i'm happy to be part of any of it, and certainly don't want to annoy any of you. The repetition of Blenny drivers asking where the targets are, and a few us telling them to get in fighters is what spurred my posts today)

Cheers.

Dutch
Sep-01-2012, 13:23
This is The Battle of Britain!!! Your country needs pilots in Fighters!! All Blenny pilots are seconded to Fighter Command temporarily for this mission!!

So There. :PP

Marshall of the Royal Air Force Sir Hugh Caswell Tremenhere Dowding (Baron the Lord Dowding of Bentley Priory).:grandpa

ATAG_Bliss
Sep-01-2012, 14:11
Hi guys,

Ill take a look at the briefing. Reds aren't supposed to have any targets listed other that stopping the bombers. I've found some really funky stuff when the old hard drive died on the server - like the ship mission having the wrong briefing as well. So this could be the case as well. Gotta love corrupted files.

Tonka
Sep-01-2012, 14:52
Cool, thanks Bliss.

What are the chances of having the mission with the objects put back into rotation too?

I mean keep the bomber intercept one in rotation, alongside the one with Red targets, not remove the bomber intercept one completely.

:thumbsup:

Doc
Sep-01-2012, 16:23
On the red briefing just use number 20 font and have it say http://i.imgur.com/aO05H.gif
SHOOT DOWN GERMAN BOMBERS.