Can anyone help with high resolution images of the 109 F-4 cockpit in Ottawa?

[Mysticpuma]

A request from our lead modeller if anyone in the community can help? You may surmise from this that the F-4 is one of the Me-109's that is being created for TF v5.00.

"if anyone travel to Ottawa, please bring a good camera, and shot tons of photo, especially the details in outside and inside the cockpit of the 109 (WNr 10132) it would be really helpful".

If anyone has OR can take any images please contact me at: teamfusion2013@hotmail.com

Cheers, MP

[Continu0]

Maybe the Museum itself can provide pictures? Has a request been sent?

[DangerZwn]

I'll see if I can get some.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Anyone who is asking, please be very respectful and accommodating to the requirements of the Museum.

Thanks :salute:

[Salmo]

Found this for what it's worth. Obviously your after higher-res & closer detailed pics of various layouts & components ....

http://i.imgur.com/FnqmqPh.jpg
Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4

[StormBat]

A request from our lead modeller if anyone in the community can help? You may surmise from this that the F-4 is one of the Me-109's that is being created for TF v5.00.

"if anyone travel to Ottawa, please bring a good camera, and shot tons of photo, especially the details in outside and inside the cockpit of the 109 (WNr 10132) it would be really helpful".

If anyone has OR can take any images please contact me at: teamfusion2013@hotmail.com

Cheers, MP


Can you elaborate more... Ottawa Ontario Canada? Or the Ottawa in the U.S.? And if it's the one in Ottawa Canada is it the war museum or the aviation museum? I live close to both.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Can you elaborate more... Ottawa Ontario Canada? Or the Ottawa in the U.S.? And if it's the one in Ottawa Canada is it the war museum or the aviation museum? I live close to both.

Thanks for your interest. :thumbsup:

Aviation Museum in Ottawa Ontario Canada... this is the best option for 109F4's which remain.

As mentioned, if you approach them, say you are doing this for a non-profit group who are creating a 3D model of the aircraft type.

If you do shoot this, you will need a step ladder, and either portable lights or a flash. You will need a camera which does accurate auto focus and which has a good level of detail, large high resolution pictures.

Please be as respectful as possible when contacting and meeting with the staff, and when doing the photographs, please don't touch the aircraft, don't ask to get into the cockpit, you won't be allowed to.

You basically need to extend your arm holding the camera into the cockpit and then take the pics.

We need a 360 view of the cockpit from the perspective of the pilot.

We already have some fairly good shots of the main frontal area of the instrument cluster, we need more of the sides, lower areas and seat back.

Please check the photos on a laptop or handheld to make sure they are in focus prior to leaving.

Thanks :salute:

[StormBat]

Thanks for your interest. :thumbsup:

Aviation Museum in Ottawa Ontario Canada... this is the best option for 109F4's which remain.

As mentioned, if you approach them, say you are doing this for a non-profit group who are creating a 3D model of the aircraft type.

If you do shoot this, you will need a step ladder, and either portable lights or a flash. You will need a camera which does accurate auto focus and which has a good level of detail, large high resolution pictures.

Please be as respectful as possible when contacting and meeting with the staff, and when doing the photographs, please don't touch the aircraft, don't ask to get into the cockpit, you won't be allowed to.

You basically need to extend your arm holding the camera into the cockpit and then take the pics.

We need a 360 view of the cockpit from the perspective of the pilot.

We already have some fairly good shots of the main frontal area of the instrument cluster, we need more of the sides, lower areas and seat back.

Please check the photos on a laptop or handheld to make sure they are in focus prior to leaving.

Thanks :salute:

Don't worry I know how to spread the charm and talk to people. So I called them and they were very helpful they have a library of all the aircraft in house and a woman(Silvie) who can help me and get me some pics. The only problem is she's there just a day or two a week and does others things for the museum. So I will try and set something up with her in the next week or two, but only if she has specific and hd detailed pics of the 109-F4 cockpit. Cheers.

-Stormy

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Don't worry I know how to spread the charm and talk to people. So I called them and they were very helpful they have a library of all the aircraft in house and a woman(Silvie) who can help me and get me some pics. The only problem is she's there just a day or two a week and does others things for the museum. So I will try and set something up with her in the next week or two, but only if she has specific and hd detailed pics of the 109-F4 cockpit. Cheers.

-Stormy

Thanks for your help Stormbat! :thumbsup:

Please contact me if you are able to arrange something.

Cheers :salute:

[StormBat]

Can you elaborate more... Ottawa Ontario Canada? Or the Ottawa in the U.S.? And if it's the one in Ottawa Canada is it the war museum or the aviation museum? I live close to both.

Roger wilco! Cheers.

[9./JG52 Savage]

Storm Bat, I'm just curious as to whether you called or went in? My father has a decent camera and if it's capable per TF standards, I'd be more than happy to wander on over to Rockliffe and take the photos if they'd let me.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Storm Bat, I'm just curious as to whether you called or went in? My father has a decent camera and if it's capable per TF standards, I'd be more than happy to wander on over to Rockliffe and take the photos if they'd let me.

If you can hold off for a while, Stormbat is working on this right now...if he is unable to complete, I will contact you.

Thanks for your interest. :thumbsup:

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

So we are looking for resolution at least as good as below:

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz354/micksbike/Picture%20010_zpsyqzjxdpv.jpg

[Roland]

Can BOS F4 cockpit be used for dials and placement? Texture for metal can be taken from CLOD E4. Saves photos!

[Mysticpuma]

Roland, simple answer, No!
Long answer. NOoooooo!

That is copyright of another developer and we already have enough on our hands making the mod without the concern of litigation.

So BoS is BoS and we are makng ours for TF and Cliffs of Dover from scratch.

MP

[Roland]

That is copyright of another developer and we already have enough on our hands making the mod without the concern of litigation.

MP

use image/screenshot to inform creation of TF cockpit - no copyright problem as BOS only shows what original layout was and Messerschmidt AG not able to collect even if laws still allowed it. Can use low res images on web to check "look" is correct.

Simple no?

[Mysticpuma]

Appreciate your input and enthusiasm. Currently we ha e a plan of action and it's the route we are happier taking. Cheers, Map

[BOO]

Roland, simple answer, No!
Long answer. NOoooooo!

we already have enough on our hands making the mod without the concern of litigation.


MP

shame on those who continue to profit on the back of TFs hard work in making a bad game good without lifting a finger to assist.

[Blitzen]

There is a nice digital one in Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad...is it ethical to view it?:thumbsup:

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

There is a nice digital one in Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad...is it ethical to view it?:thumbsup:

We've already made it clear we are not going to be copying or using material from other games.

[Blitzen]

We've already made it clear we are not going to be copying or using material from other games.

Sorry i missed that .I didn't mean copy-I thought you just needed more reference.Obviously please forget I mentioned it...:recon:

[StormBat]

UPDATE:

Mr. Meikle,

We do have photos of the cockpit, unfortunately they do not belong to the
library. The person to contact is Marc XXXXXXXX at
XXXX@XXXX.ca or 613-XXX-XXXX. There is one photo of the
cockpit on our website. It is quite detailed
http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/en/collection-research/artifact-messerschmitt-bf-109f-4.php NOTE: THIS PHOTO WAS ALREADY SHARED ON THE TF UPDATES SECTION OF THE ATAG FORUMS.

Regards,
Sylvie Bertrand
Canada Aviation & Space Museum
Musée de l'aviation et de l'espace du Canada
Library Services / Services de la bibliothèque
P.O. Box 9724, Station T
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada, K1G 5A3
email : aviation.info@techno-science.ca

Just talked to Marc and he will be sending me some HD photos from the cockpit of the 109-F4 within a week. Cheers.

-Stormy

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Thanks Stormbat! :thumbsup:


UPDATE:

Mr. Meikle,

We do have photos of the cockpit, unfortunately they do not belong to the
library. The person to contact is Marc XXXXXXXX at
XXXX@XXXX.ca or 613-XXX-XXXX. There is one photo of the
cockpit on our website. It is quite detailed
http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/en/collection-research/artifact-messerschmitt-bf-109f-4.php NOTE: THIS PHOTO WAS ALREADY SHARED ON THE TF UPDATES SECTION OF THE ATAG FORUMS.

Regards,
Sylvie Bertrand
Canada Aviation & Space Museum
Musée de l'aviation et de l'espace du Canada
Library Services / Services de la bibliothèque
P.O. Box 9724, Station T
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada, K1G 5A3
email : aviation.info@techno-science.ca

Just talked to Marc and he will be sending me some HD photos from the cockpit of the 109-F4 within a week. Cheers.

-Stormy

[SIDWULF]

Found this for what it's worth. Obviously your after higher-res & closer detailed pics of various layouts & components ....

http://i.imgur.com/FnqmqPh.jpg
Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4

Cool cockpit!

[danperin]

A 109 K-4 manual helps?

I have this one (143 pages): http://www.mediafire.com/view/mndo67immd4oyo2/Bf-109K-4.pdf

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Some images found on the net about it:


....and a photo of the restored interior of W.Nr.10132, Horst Carganico's F model in Ottawa, Canada.
20650 ( page http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/models/aftermarket/aires/32_f/Aires32f_ew.htm )

Here from another Bf 109 F-4

20651

20652

[Oersted]

I helped out Oleg and Ilya in the old days, taking very detailed photos of the Tiger Moth and Gloster Meteor (!) in the Brussels War Museum. It really shouldn't be too much of a problem to talk to one of the restorers at Ottawa and ask for a peek into the F-4 cockpit, I think. Such people are usually very happy to share their interest with others.

[Strider417]

I live in Ottawa and was actually at the museum last week!

If anyone needs a hand with this kind of thing let me know.

The 109 they have there is a beaut:

22805

[Strider417]

Here's the only other shot of the 109 I took. The business end! Click to expand.

22809

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Go to this link ( http://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/ ) and you can enter the Bf 109 F-4 cockpit in a 360 degrees view! ;) ( Aircraft #14 )

LINK: http://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/

[Oersted]

Go to this link ( http://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/ ) and you can enter the Bf 109 F-4 cockpit in a 360 degrees view! ;) ( Aircraft #14 )

LINK: http://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/

I've visited the Central Finland aviation museum. Really great place if you are in the area of Jyväskylä.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Go to this link ( http://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/ ) and you can enter the Bf 109 F-4 cockpit in a 360 degrees view! ;) ( Aircraft #14 )

LINK: http://ilmavoimamuseo.fi/virtualmuseum/

Are you sure this is an F-4?

Finns never acquired F-4's... the first model they received from the Germans was the G-2... they later received some G-6's.

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Are you sure this is an F-4?

Finns never acquired F-4's... the first model they received from the Germans was the G-2... they later received some G-6's.

Yep, Bf 109 F-4 7108, ex-NE + ML, ex-9./JG 5, Finnish Air Force Museum, Tikkakoski

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Yep, Bf 109 F-4 7108, ex-NE + ML, ex-9./JG 5, Finnish Air Force Museum, Tikkakoski

Ok this is one of the JG5 109F's based at Petsamo and which were abandoned, and then seized by the Finns after they signed an armistice with the Soviets in '44 and attacked the Germans to expel them from Finland.

As far as I know these were not flown in combat by the FAF as they didn't have the spare parts supply system for them... they only had the parts for the G-2/G-6's which they had purchased from the Germans when they were allied.

[katschmarek]

Are you sure this is an F-4?

Finns never acquired F-4's... the first model they received from the Germans was the G-2... they later received some G-6's.

The one posted in the link, showing the 360 view of a cockpit is a G-6 (MT-507).

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Another option to be 100% sure could be this...apart the fact that it's a little bit expensive as solution...Anyone here have $6.0 Million USD left for spare in his wallet? :)

REF.LINK: http://airassets.com/2017/08/08/92/

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Another option to be 100% sure could be this...apart the fact that it's a little bit expensive as solution...Anyone here have $6.0 Million USD left for spare in his wallet? :)

REF.LINK: http://airassets.com/2017/08/08/92/

If you look closely at that 'For Sale' page, you will notice the aircraft is listed as having a DB605A engine... the F-4 had a DB601E engine.

Unclear if that engine was sourced from another wrecked aircraft or was surplus and acquired separately... or if this was an F-4 returned to the factory and rebuilt as a G model.

There were no F-4's built or flown with DB605A engines. DB601E engines are very rare, there were many more DB605A's built, so maybe they are trying to restore it with the later engine.

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

If you look closely at that 'For Sale' page, you will notice the aircraft is listed as having a DB605A engine... the F-4 had a DB601E engine.

Unclear if that engine was sourced from another wrecked aircraft or was surplus and acquired separately... or if this was an F-4 returned to the factory and rebuilt as a G model.

There were no F-4's built or flown with DB605A engines. DB601E engines are very rare, there were many more DB605A's built, so maybe they are trying to restore it with the later engine.

Yep, in addition is also reported that the instruments are " basic " so I highly doubt too that the aircraft is close to its original conditions. Probably the aircraft have lots of " cannibalized parts " coming from other Bf 109s.

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Somehow I've recently bought a book about the German cockpits in photo-detail ( It should arrive in some days hopefully ).
When it will arrive, if there will be some photos of interest about the F-4 cockpit, I will send them to you via PM ( Due to the fact that I presume that the images will be under copyright so I will not share them here publicly ) :salute:

[Avimimus]

Just saw this... if you need pictures of any of the aircraft in Ottawa - let me know and I'll talk to the Museum and see if I can get access. Earlier the staff let me get close to the He-162 to take pictures - but they wouldn't let me open the cockpit (however, I hadn't made an appointment or talked to curators - I just showed up with a camera)... so it is quite possible I could get them to open the canopy.