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ATAG_Torian
Sep-20-2012, 04:31
@ Wolf/Colander...can u guys check to see if the fuel depot that is supposed to be in M 2.5 near Estree is actually there.
Not sure which map but whatever was running at 18:00 Au EST. Back when I flew Blenhiems a bit more often I bombed it regularly and know it well.
Went over there today to take it out and nothing there...no flak, nothing, and I was down to 3000ft where it shoulda been bursting all over me.
Even if it had already been taken out there shoulda still been bombed out remains and the flak should have been still there.
Headed up to M4.5 and that target was there and easy to see...along with the murderous flak which PK'd me on my bombing run :grrr:
Seriously tho guys, how about toning down the flak a bit over those targets. We in the RAF don't have the luxury of high speed
bombers like the 110 which regularly take out Red targets and manage to get back home :(
Pretty pleeeese

Taff In Exile
Oct-06-2012, 10:41
Can I second this request...I too spent about 5 mins circling around the M2 sector looking for the Oil depot last night around 11pm GMT.
Apart from this, I love flying the maps you guys produce…superb work J

Roblex
Nov-13-2012, 04:32
I thought it was just me looking in the wrong place! I have never seen the target though I have looked a few times.

Where exactly should it be in relation to the airfield? Is it just beside the field or a long way North East?

Catseye
Nov-13-2012, 12:30
We in the RAF don't have the luxury of high speed
bombers like the 110 which regularly take out Red targets and manage to get back home :(
Pretty pleeeese

Interesting point on the flak.
I had the pleasure of flying Blue last night as escort to a bombing raid at several locations.
My observation was that the flak is no where as intense as you get over the "M" targets on the French side.

Just my observation.
Cheers

ATAG_Colander
Nov-13-2012, 12:39
Cats,

Question...
I've noticed that when not alone over a flak area, the flak gets divided between the different planes making it less effective. Could this be the difference?

III./ZG76_Keller
Nov-13-2012, 13:40
We in the RAF don't have the luxury of high speed
bombers like the 110 which regularly take out Red targets and manage to get back home :(
Pretty pleeeese

A Blenheim is just as fast or faster on the deck than a 110.

ATAG_Slipstream
Nov-13-2012, 13:59
I thought it was just me looking in the wrong place! I have never seen the target though I have looked a few times.

Where exactly should it be in relation to the airfield? Is it just beside the field or a long way North East?

The targets weren't spawning on the old map, Now we are running two versions as everyone likes shooting up/defending the German bombers, its became a map of its own.

In both versions of the map the targets are listed in bullet form, however if you scroll to near the bottom of the brief, you will see a mission description for: Blenheim Squadrons. On the map where the targets DO NOT spawn, this part will read, Blenheims are to provide recon support for fighter squadrons, or similar. On the map where they do spawn it will give a short description of each mission target such as "Destroy fuel depot on the airfield at Estree in grid M2"

The Fuel Depot target is on the western side of Estree Airfield.

ATAG_Slipstream
Nov-13-2012, 14:16
A Blenheim is just as fast or faster on the deck than a 110.

Damn right it is! and a lot more maneuverable too, woe betide any 110's who sneaks up on my six, in one full turn I'll be on their six & they'll be getting a taste of my peashooter :thumbsup:

Catseye
Nov-13-2012, 17:47
Cats,

Question...
I've noticed that when not alone over a flak area, the flak gets divided between the different planes making it less effective. Could this be the difference?

Hi Colander,
I didn't see much flak when over the target waiting for the 110's to finish their runs. The odd black puff here and there and some white when getting lower.

I flew low near the targets and didn't experience any tracking but . . . . . I'm not sure where the flak batteries are and they may have been destroyed when the main targets were bombed.

I would have to make a run low over the targets before bombing to compare but I can say that: When flying a Blenheim low ingress to targets in M, it is just one complete hail of led, smoke and fire and I have never been able to get to the release point successfully without being destroyed prior to. To be fair, I would have to take a 110 over to the other side and attempt the same thing.

My original statement came as I was a bit surprised that all 3 110's didn't appear to have any issue in bombing and climbed up to continue to the next target unscathed. That is not as easy to do on the other side in Blenheims.

Just an observation and I know that efforts have been made to equalize the flak issue for all. Just worth reporting in case of a glitch here or there.

I really enjoyed flying for the Dark Side for a change. :)

Cheers

ATAG_Torian
Nov-13-2012, 23:56
When flying a Blenheim low ingress to targets in M, it is just one complete hail of led, smoke and fire and I have never been able to get to the release point successfully without being destroyed prior to.

Thx Catseye, I second your observation.
About the dividing of flak....yesterday we flew a sortie over to M 2.5. 2 Blenhiems and 3 fighters. Fighters tried to divert flak, all planes hit with flak, 1 fighter destroyed and 1 Blenhiem destroyed in short order the rest limped home. Target not destroyed. There is nothing on the red side to compare to it.
Just back to my original point...can't at least the briefing (in the map without the targets) be edited to to remove the reference to M2.5 so pilots don't go looking for something that's not there ?

Roblex
Nov-14-2012, 03:47
The Fuel Depot target is on the western side of Estree Airfield.

Why is the target described as being in M2.5? Are we not using the 'keypad' method? Estree airfield is in M2 keypad 4 so any target West of the field cannot be in M2 keypad 5.

Muffin
Nov-14-2012, 03:47
I think that the flack is a bit intense too. Snarglepuss and I went on a bombing run and got torn up by the flack

Here is the result.....

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ATAG_Torian
Nov-14-2012, 03:56
Why is the target described as being in M2.5? Are we not using the 'keypad' method? Estree airfield is in M2 keypad 4 so any target West of the field cannot be in M2 keypad 5.

ok I may be a digit out but most of us know the target I'm referring to in M2

Roblex
Nov-14-2012, 06:25
ok I may be a digit out but most of us know the target I'm referring to in M2

I am not talking about how it is described in this thread, the mission briefing tells us the fuel dump is in M2.5 but if it is West of the airfield in M2.4 then it cannot be in M2.5 which is the square to the East of M2.5 (assuming we are using keypad notation for the final digit)