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ChiefRedCloud
Oct-06-2012, 20:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e33yGl-7uvE#!

Dutch
Oct-06-2012, 20:25
And was it a constant speed prop / 100 octane variant?

Noooooo.................

P.s. He came out of the roll off the top as badly as me. Which makes me feel better. :D

P.P.S. Any residents of the Commonwealth may claim this aircraft as their own. Any ex-colonials may feel priviledged to be allowed to watch this video clip. Unless...... :D

ChiefRedCloud
Oct-06-2012, 21:15
And was it a constant speed prop / 100 octane variant?

Noooooo.................

P.s. He came out of the roll off the top as badly as me. Which makes me feel better. :D

P.P.S. Any residents of the Commonwealth may claim this aircraft as their own. Any ex-colonials may feel priviledged to be allowed to watch this video clip. Unless...... :D

Oh I do .... I do ..... feel priviledged ..... :)

Dutch
Oct-06-2012, 21:29
Oh I do .... I do ..... feel priviledged ..... :)

Heh. That's the spirit mate! :)

ATAG_JTDawg
Oct-06-2012, 23:30
Sweeeeeeeeeet awesome sounds!! :d

9./JG52 Hans Gruber
Oct-07-2012, 07:26
More info on this warbird: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/8771012/Spitfire-back-in-the-air-after-71-years.html

Listen closely at 1:25 and you can hear Dutch's head explode.

:pcsux:

Dutch
Oct-07-2012, 11:25
More info on this warbird: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/8771012/Spitfire-back-in-the-air-after-71-years.html

Listen closely at 1:25 and you can hear Dutch's head explode.

:pcsux:

Two-Pitch Prop? No head explosion here mate. :D

Of course they were around at Dunkirk and in the BoB, the conversion to CSPs wasn't instant or overnight. However, we don't have a two-pitch/100octane a/c in the game. If we had, bring it on.

Good point well made. We should have a 100octane two-pitch variant. :thumbsup:

ATAG_Snapper
Oct-07-2012, 13:46
Two-Pitch Prop? No head explosion here mate. :D

Of course they were around at Dunkirk and in the BoB, the conversion to CSPs wasn't instant or overnight. However, we don't have a two-pitch/100octane a/c in the game. If we had, bring it on.

Good point well made. We should have a 100octane two-pitch variant. :thumbsup:

Absolutely spot on, old chap!

From Group Captain Alan C. Deere's autobiography, "Nine Lives":

May 23rd 1940. A usual patrol at dawn, the 12th for the week, returned without incident and 74 Sqdn took over the patrol and were jumped. Their CO force landed near Calais Marck with engine trouble. Then, just before 9 a.m. Al Deere and Johnny Allen were asked to escort a Miles Master to Calais Marck for a rescue attempt. Long story short, Al Deere and Johnny Allen shot down 3 109s out of a group of about 12. Notably the 109s were turning, presumably at odds of 12:2 they thought they had an easy fight on their hands.


Al Deere drew two conclusions from this fight. One was that the 109s (presumably E's) were not able to outclimb or out-turn the Spitfire (we know of course that initial energy states could make the climb issue true and this was only his first combat). The other conclusion was that "The superior rate of climb was, however, due mostly to the type of Spitfire with which my Squadron was now equipped. Aircraft of 54 Squadron were fitted with the Rotol constant speed airscrew on which we had been doing trials when the fighting started." [presumably the German invasion of France] "Other Spitfires were, at that stage, using a two speed airscrew (ie. either fully fine ptich or fully coarse) which meant they lost performance in a sustained climb....."


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If anyone should doubt HIS word, here's his biography:

http://www.rafhornchurch.thehumanjourney.net/pilot_pages/deere.htm

However, all this is moot, because we're assuming CoD has got the models and how they fly down pat, which is not so. What it DOES come down to is gameplay. It's Notafinger's call and his alone. If he believes that there were NO constant speed prop Spits or NO 100 octane petrol in the Spit's and Hurri's fuel tanks, then that is how the mission must go.

I've only provided the above reference in answer to his post to Dutch above. Dutch's head (nor mine, because I am four-square behind him) needs to explode. As to the 100 octane question, we're NOT going to get into a Crump/Kurfurst 200-post debate over this. It's Notafinger's mission, it's excellently done, and he decides! :thumbsup:

ATAG_Bliss
Oct-07-2012, 15:06
The mission has both 2 speed and CSP spits and hurri's.

ATAG_Snapper
Oct-07-2012, 15:27
The mission has both 2 speed and CSP spits and hurri's.

It does. The fuel makes very little difference, really.

Dutch
Oct-07-2012, 15:36
we're NOT going to get into a Crump/Kurfurst 200-post debate over this.

God Forbid!! :)


The mission has both 2 speed and CSP spits and hurri's.

It has indeed. :)


fuel makes very little difference, really.

Eh? :hypnotized:

Haha. No worries chaps. The video clip posted is beautiful to watch. It cannot be posted often enough for me. :thumbsup:

ATAG_Bliss
Oct-07-2012, 15:48
Why the sarcasm? You post up a long winded combat report that shows that spits were fitted with the CSP at Dunkirk, but the mission already has the CSP. There seriously needs to be a lesser tone around here with some folks. This constant FM battles really need to stop. Or at the very least, it needs to be handled much differently from the people asking for changes. I see WAY too much negative aggressive banter around here lately and I do not understand it. This is a video game. If you die you can simply spawn back in. If you do not enjoy it, take a break. We don't need a rehash on the FM/plane bitch fest on every single thread. We all know they aren't right for both sides. When you demand for changes in a aggressive tone, don't expect people to respond to that in a polite matter or at all. You guys should really really read some of the stuff you are writing before you hit submit. I've been holding my tongue, but I'm not any longer.

But regardless of ALL of the FM problems, 99% of the reason you'll get shot down in this game is because of the you as a pilot (situational awareness / tactics / teamwork / etc). That goes for both sides.

Dutch
Oct-07-2012, 16:20
Why the sarcasm?

Well I can't speak for Snapper, but I wasn't being sarcastic Bliss old chum! See my post made earlier today here;

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?2208-Dunkirk-Mission-by-notafinger-is-up!-(Feed-back-here-please!)&p=19850#post19850

What I said in my post in this thread above is a game content issue, re 100oct 2-speed props. We're not going to get one though, coz Luthier said so.

Shame really.

Anyway, this thread is about a vid clip, which as I've already said, is beautiful to watch. :thumbsup:

ATAG_Torian
Oct-08-2012, 09:33
Man, how would u like to be the pilot of that machine. It's such a buzz flying the sim, how good would the real McCoy be. Wonder how many original parts on that MkI they were actually able to use? Hope they keep that baby flying for many decades to come. A wonderful tribute to the memory of all those who participated in WW2. Great effort by the restoration team.

ATAG_Snapper
Oct-08-2012, 09:55
Bliss, I apologize to you and Notafinger for causing offence. I've read and reread every one of my posts in this thread and the other one and honestly cannot find where I was being aggressive or impolite. Notafinger said he wasn't sure that CSP props or 100 octane fuel was available at Dunkirk and to supply proof -- which I thought I had. The "long-winded" report was by Al Deere, a personal hero of mine since I first read his "Nine Lives" in '63. "Long-winded" to you is "fascinating reading" to me -- my bad.

After Notafinger's tremendous effort on this mission, and yours to get it up on Server #1, it seemed a little churlish on my part to be niggling over a fuel issue. After reading your post above, though, I can see how my assent could be taken as sarcasm. Again, my bad.

My apologies to JTDawg as well, since I did come off very strongly in my reasons for requesting the 100 octane. He and I have flown many missions together; we're buds.

Bliss, I don't see eye-to-eye with much of your post, but your counsel to take a little break is wise. It's silly that a video game can arouse such passion -- but for a few of us the Battle of Britain is a sacred event which certainly should NOT be transferred to a game.

The weather's crisp, but the sun is out. Time to do some late-season rides on the Hog before the snow flies. :D

ATAG_Bliss
Oct-08-2012, 14:09
Snapper - I didn't mean to come off as cross. But everywhere you look there are FM discussions, most of it turning badly, even on here, even amongst ourselves. We can only give the devs the information required to fix them. We can type thousands of words going back and forth at each other till we're all blue in the face, but the fact remains we have what we have. The FM discussions turn into a mentality of the individual which can be easily seen on 1C. I know FMs are the back bone for every flight sim, but the discussions always turn out badly. Everyone is biased for their ride etc.. And I honestly don't think you can have a good FM discussion from Red or Blue pilots. I think the only one you can have is from people who have no bias and will gladly fly both. I completely understand what you're saying, Snapper. I hope you understand mine as well.

ATAG_JTDawg
Oct-08-2012, 16:39
Bliss, I apologize to you and Notafinger for causing offence. I've read and reread every one of my posts in this thread and the other one and honestly cannot find where I was being aggressive or impolite. Notafinger said he wasn't sure that CSP props or 100 octane fuel was available at Dunkirk and to supply proof -- which I thought I had. The "long-winded" report was by Al Deere, a personal hero of mine since I first read his "Nine Lives" in '63. "Long-winded" to you is "fascinating reading" to me -- my bad.

After Notafinger's tremendous effort on this mission, and yours to get it up on Server #1, it seemed a little churlish on my part to be niggling over a fuel issue. After reading your post above, though, I can see how my assent could be taken as sarcasm. Again, my bad.

My apologies to JTDawg as well, since I did come off very strongly in my reasons for requesting the 100 octane. He and I have flown many missions together; we're buds.

Bliss, I don't see eye-to-eye with much of your post, but your counsel to take a little break is wise. It's silly that a video game can arouse such passion -- but for a few of us the Battle of Britain is a sacred event which certainly should NOT be transferred to a game.

The weather's crisp, but the sun is out. Time to do some late-season rides on the Hog before the snow flies. :D

Snapper me ole bud no offence was taken , as i was just trying to make a joke with the whipping post, no harm no foul , at the end of the day we are still m8's an wingman :) RED TILL I'M DEAD :thumbsup:

ATAG_Snapper
Oct-09-2012, 09:20
Bliss - understand completely. Although at times we may disagree on specifics, we all have the same wish for a good simulation that's challenging and fun for everyone. :thumbsup: