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JG4_Jos
Aug-03-2017, 03:56
Hello everyone.

I am Jos vom JG 4. We are planning on 09 August at 21.00 clock German time (20.00 clock Great Britan) on the Atag server # 2 bomber for training a bomber attack on Manston / Ramsgate.
We would like to try out a internally small list similar to SOW, where it is important to come back home and would be nice, see it also ;)
Would be happy if we would expect you from there and briefly to share, who has time, Greetings, Jos

9./JG52 Meyer
Aug-03-2017, 04:24
Salute to our Kameraden in JG4
9./JG52 will be there

Hals und beinbruch

Woop
Aug-03-2017, 05:50
Is there a possibility to get custom skins enabled on server two for this? Would be totally epic. I've seen some of JG4's skins, absolutely gorgeous! :salute:

I'll be around.

Bonditaria
Aug-03-2017, 08:31
+1 Hurricane

BOO
Aug-03-2017, 10:02
Hello Jos - happy to help in any way I can on either side.

With regards to custom skins and a lot of players id be worried it'll turn into a stutter fest especially if there a big skins lurking about..

ATAG_Highseas
Aug-03-2017, 10:06
Hello Jos - happy to help in any way I can on either side.

With regards to custom skins and a lot of players id be worried it'll turn into a stutter fest especially if there a big skins lurking about..

On the last Highseas Tour the issue of skin compression came up.

Sounded to me as if compressed 30% was the ideal in terms of load times / skin quality.



last thing you want on the race circuit is a stutter... that's certain death in a tunnel !!

BOO
Aug-03-2017, 10:13
With a few racers it can usually be squared away with a reasonable skin size and an decently early spawn in. However with something like this and an unknown number of participants using skins they may just have downloaded without knowing the size there is a potential for stutters that may kill the immersion.

There is also the potential for someone to turn up with loud or inappropriate skin and thus ruin it for some but id like to think our community is a little more responsible than that.

Anyhow - its a side issue.

Woop
Aug-03-2017, 10:17
What I use when exporting a skin with gimp is always the .jpg format and the quality slider at 70%. The size usually comes up to about 550kb. All our skins at ACG are about that size and it works fine. I can see the issue arising though if people who don't know about this coming onto the server with skin sizes upwards of 2mb. Also to avoid double markings over custom skins, all players must join the server before one clicks create, which complicates the issue yet more.

JG4_Jos
Aug-04-2017, 08:26
First thank you for the interest. I think we should just try it and will see if it works. We blue will be about 10-14 aircraft and if you do not exaggerate it, the server could afford it ;)

BOO
Aug-04-2017, 11:02
do you want us non JG4 and 9/52s to be your opposition Jos? Happy to do that (well y'know as happy as a hunted deer can be about you lot coming after me :-))

ATAG_Marlow
Aug-04-2017, 12:00
Hello everyone.

I am Jos vom JG 4. We are planning on 09 August at 21.00 clock German time (20.00 clock Great Britan) on the Atag server # 2 bomber for training a bomber attack on Manston / Ramsgate.
We would like to try out a internally small list similar to SOW, where it is important to come back home and would be nice, see it also ;)
Would be happy if we would expect you from there and briefly to share, who has time, Greetings, Jos

Unfortunately, I will miss out on this opportunity but I just wanted to thank our friends at JG4 for organising this event and inviting us all to share in it. Next time I will be there! It says a lot for our community that people such as yourselves and Boo go to all the trouble of organising these events. Cliffs of Dover goes from strength to strength! Salute! :thumbsup:

MezzA
Aug-05-2017, 17:49
could you not have the 2nd server passworded with the PW on the forums linked to skin rules? (quality/file size)
+1 hurricane

JG4_Jos
Aug-07-2017, 11:47
do you want us non JG4 and 9/52s to be your opposition Jos? Happy to do that (well y'know as happy as a hunted deer can be about you lot coming after me :-))

It is planned the JG4 flies blue, but one should note, that the balance should not be right, can be happy to accompany us which.

BOO
Aug-07-2017, 12:29
It is planned the JG4 flies blue, but one should note, that the balance should not be right, can be happy to accompany us which.


Just let me know on the night which side you want me to be crap on and ill do the rest :-)

Stab I./JG 51 - Gallowitsch
Aug-09-2017, 04:31
Hello and salute to all!

If there is a place for us we would like to participate :D

( we, this are 2 pilots of Stab I./JG 51 )

ATAG_Pattle
Aug-09-2017, 07:10
Hi Jos, will try to be on. Your kick off time is 6am where I live in Australia so... :stunned:

Maru
Aug-09-2017, 08:44
Hello,

Artist and me will be there, we will fly red.

JG4_Jos
Aug-09-2017, 09:04
Here again....

Blue takeoff today with 10 to 15 planes at 21.00 clock German time (08.00 pm Great Britan) on the Atag server #2 Bomber/champaing
for training (with also freshmen Pilots from us) a bomber attack on Manston / Ramsgate.

Rules:
Blue reports (about 08.00pm Great Britan ) ok to Red (TS Atag) after collecting when ready for departure heading England.
After report, no restart is allowed (only again at the next raid, if the still takes place).
Important is to come home, experience for the new is goal, should not be an arcade "rudelbums" battle.

It is useful that the blue is not attacked over France

Own Skin´s off.

Greetings, hope to see you tonight and have a bit of fun,
Jos

9./JG52 gr00ve
Aug-09-2017, 09:08
have a good fun tonight, sadly i wont be able to attend, but im sure rest of 9./JG52 will be there.

S!

BOO
Aug-09-2017, 09:13
Hi Jos, will try to be on. Your kick off time is 6am where I live in Australia so... :stunned:

so get up early for once you tardy breadstealer! :-)

BOO
Aug-09-2017, 09:22
Here again....

Blue takeoff today with 10 to 15 planes at 21.00 clock German time (08.00 pm Great Britan) on the Atag server #2 Bomber/champaing
for training (with also freshmen Pilots from us) a bomber attack on Manston / Ramsgate.

Rules:
Blue reports (about 08.00pm Great Britan ) ok to Red (TS Atag) after collecting when ready for departure heading England.
After report, no restart is allowed (only again at the next raid, if the still takes place).
Important is to come home, experience for the new is goal, should not be an arcade "rudelbums" battle.

It is useful that the blue is not attacked over France

Own Skin´s off.

Greetings, hope to see you tonight and have a bit of fun,
Jos


Hi Jos

Couple of questions

Do you want the Reds to gather in something like the Bomber Server RED intercept command room so you know who is taking part?

Are you looking for the RED side to intercept you BEFORE you hit the target or would you prefer the opportunity to practice the bomb run unhindered?

Are there going to de disengagement rules or is it a fight back to base?

Cheers

BOO

Maru
Aug-09-2017, 09:25
Another question, is rearm refuel allowed if there is no restart? thanks in advance.

9./JG52 Sturm
Aug-09-2017, 09:40
Important is to come home, experience for the new is goal, should not be an arcade "rudelbums" battle.


What does Rudelbums mean!? Always enjoy new vocab!

BOO
Aug-09-2017, 09:40
Another question, is rearm refuel allowed if there is no restart? thanks in advance.

I don't think there is a RR option on server 2 Maru. Or Tab 7-1. Or Tab 4-1

Could be wrong.....

BOO
Aug-09-2017, 09:50
Rudel had something of a reputation for one way trips Sturm. I think he was shot down about 30 times according to him!!

Soooo.........I think what Jos is looking for from EVERYONE is a mentality where your life is more important than creaming 17 bombers before the red fades to black. That is to say that your attack plan should include the bit after all the guns have stopped firing and shouldn't involve ramming!

So once you are out you are out. No escaping out and grabbing another fighter once you get damage until the next mission.

Its a good choice - not that itll affect you implacable 9/52 types as that's the way you fly all the time - but its also gonna depend on how many reds turn up I think.

JG4_Jos
Aug-09-2017, 09:50
@ Boo
It would be useful if you would gather in TS, you need to know. I just need to know who I should report or put it as a message in the info line of the game.
You should prevent us from reaching the goal so area "Deal" I think would be good, same like disengagement.

JG4_Jos
Aug-09-2017, 09:52
Another question, is rearm refuel allowed if there is no restart? thanks in advance.

I do not believe that you are flying a tank empty, think, after 10 minutes everything is over ;)

JG4_Jos
Aug-09-2017, 09:56
When we come across deal.... :)

BOO
Aug-09-2017, 10:00
@ Boo
It would be useful if you would gather in TS, you need to know. I just need to know who I should report or put it as a message in the info line of the game.
You should prevent us from reaching the goal so area "Deal" I think would be good, same like disengagement.

if the RED players gather in the BOMBER MISSION RED INTERCEPT Channel itll help keep our coms neat and away from the main server players.

if you put messages in the chat it'll be enough for whoever is trying to co-ordinate the Red response.

I think a disengagement curfew of 3 mins after bomb drop is fair.

Maru
Aug-09-2017, 10:19
I do not believe that you are flying a tank empty, think, after 10 minutes everything is over ;)

Im just worried about my ammo thats why haha, If there is no rr then fine, I should try not to waste it :D

=AN=Lobo
Aug-09-2017, 11:12
BR Lobo Hurricane will be over Deal.

Cassius
Aug-09-2017, 14:06
We are in. Don't how much.

JG4_Jos
Aug-09-2017, 14:24
Skins can stay on

9./JG52 Meyer
Aug-09-2017, 16:37
Many thanks Jos for setting this up tonight . Me and Sturm had a great time , really enjoyed it.

Hals und beinbruch

Bonditaria
Aug-09-2017, 16:49
Thanks everybody! :thumbsup:

https://s27.postimg.org/u2220y3wz/JG4-bombers-netstats.jpg

DUI
Aug-09-2017, 16:58
Same here: Thanks a lot everyone! :salute:

=AN=Lobo
Aug-09-2017, 17:43
Was really fun!

But my mic was muted and I wasn't aware... I jumped in the flight leader of the first JG4 bomber raid but fail to report... I had disabled TS notifications... My bad! :(

BOO
Aug-09-2017, 18:01
Thanks Jos - It was enjoyable if a little one sided :-)

From the Red perspective I think we did better the second time around with a little better organisation but 10 loosely organised Hurris and 2 Spit 1a s V double the number of largely squadded E4s was never going to give the likes of JG4, STG129 and 9/JG52 a real problem. I think we accept it was about training your new pilots but I have to wonder just how much training they got given most of us were down or out after the first minute of the engagement and some of your aces were leaving the server with individual tallies of 9 plus kills (from just the 12 of us).

You have to appreciate that many of the lads who come along to stuff like this are not aces but average joes like me. Most of us cant kill in a pass so we will nearly always fall to your guns on the second (especially given the 2-1 ratio). I also suspect that at least half of us would not have English as a first language (and as a typical Englishman I have NO other language- much to my shame) so TS coms is also limited somewhat.

We are not a drilled cohesive unit. More whacky racers than top guns. Your trainees are not the only ones who need to be cut some slack :-)

As you have seen, you have the numbers of who turns up and that's something you cant control so some contingency on the part of the main organising squad may be required. Ultimately what did our legs wasn't BLUE numbers but the lack of REDS. I find it difficult to understand how working together against JG4 and your friends is less preferable to chasing down lone wolves on Server 1 but each to their own.

Perhaps for future training events (which I know most of us taking part tonight will continue to support) some measure of evenness can be contrived? For instance, if its about training your newer wings, how about keeping one or two of your aces in a supporting/observing/bomber roles should the numbers be so skewed? Custom skins or even taking different type aircraft would be enough to ensure we don't go attacking them (more fool us if we do).

Allowing more of a running engagement would perhaps provide your pilots a better opportunity to gain more experience. I accept that Hanseat, Widu, DUI Cassius, Zerg and Rostic are likely to have to work harder but.....c'mon....all are more dangerous flying backwards with 1 gun than I am flying forwards with 8!!

All that said - I'm still coming back (if invited) - I had a blast and please don't take this as sour grapes at the crushing we (certainly I) got---I didn't even know that many holes could fit on a hurricane's wing!----

----it was fun!!

Thanks for inviting us


S!

BOO

Rostic
Aug-09-2017, 18:06
Some screenshots from the event :)

Link to screenshots (https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11766&p=274709&viewfull=1#post274709)

Cassius
Aug-10-2017, 01:36
A big thanks to all for Event.

=AN=Lobo
Aug-10-2017, 05:00
https://youtu.be/l0GOkT1WXws

JG4_Jos
Aug-10-2017, 09:05
Thanks Jos - It was enjoyable if a little one sided :-)

From the Red perspective I think we did better the second time around with a little better organisation but 10 loosely organised Hurris and 2 Spit 1a s V double the number of largely squadded E4s was never going to give the likes of JG4, STG129 and 9/JG52 a real problem. I think we accept it was about training your new pilots but I have to wonder just how much training they got given most of us were down or out after the first minute of the engagement and some of your aces were leaving the server with individual tallies of 9 plus kills (from just the 12 of us).

You have to appreciate that many of the lads who come along to stuff like this are not aces but average joes like me. Most of us cant kill in a pass so we will nearly always fall to your guns on the second (especially given the 2-1 ratio). I also suspect that at least half of us would not have English as a first language (and as a typical Englishman I have NO other language- much to my shame) so TS coms is also limited somewhat.

We are not a drilled cohesive unit. More whacky racers than top guns. Your trainees are not the only ones who need to be cut some slack :-)

As you have seen, you have the numbers of who turns up and that's something you cant control so some contingency on the part of the main organising squad may be required. Ultimately what did our legs wasn't BLUE numbers but the lack of REDS. I find it difficult to understand how working together against JG4 and your friends is less preferable to chasing down lone wolves on Server 1 but each to their own.

Perhaps for future training events (which I know most of us taking part tonight will continue to support) some measure of evenness can be contrived? For instance, if its about training your newer wings, how about keeping one or two of your aces in a supporting/observing/bomber roles should the numbers be so skewed? Custom skins or even taking different type aircraft would be enough to ensure we don't go attacking them (more fool us if we do).

Allowing more of a running engagement would perhaps provide your pilots a better opportunity to gain more experience. I accept that Hanseat, Widu, DUI Cassius, Zerg and Rostic are likely to have to work harder but.....c'mon....all are more dangerous flying backwards with 1 gun than I am flying forwards with 8!!

All that said - I'm still coming back (if invited) - I had a blast and please don't take this as sour grapes at the crushing we (certainly I) got---I didn't even know that many holes could fit on a hurricane's wing!----

----it was fun!!

Thanks for inviting us


S!

BOO

Hello BOO.

The first start of our 109 was also very exhausting and really orderly we were only at the bombers
and some shot came on the account of the British KI bombers, which are on our way back.

I think we all had our fun, this is the main thing, and where you speak of brobleme with the language, nice greetings from google translator,
my last english teaching is 30 years ago :)

This was just a try and if the time allows it, we could repeat something like this every few weeks,
maybe next time you can come with the bombers to us, but unfortunately is my problem, can always only on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Greetings and thanks,
Jos

JG4_Jos
Aug-10-2017, 09:07
https://youtu.be/l0GOkT1WXws

Nice to see it from the other side.

=AN=Lobo
Aug-10-2017, 10:03
Nice to see it from the other side.

Was a beautiful and massive formation. Was really nice to see how the squad keep the bombers cover after I'm not a danger anymore. Great work, bombers keep formation and the escort remains effective.

Count with me to help when needed. Was really cool. This sim is amazing.

=AN=Lobo
Aug-10-2017, 10:10
If you guys from JG4 need more red pilots for other practice, BR Squad can provide some 6-7+ pilots if a schedule like 12pm London time is possible.

BOO
Aug-10-2017, 11:43
Hello BOO.

The first start of our 109 was also very exhausting and really orderly we were only at the bombers
and some shot came on the account of the British KI bombers, which are on our way back.

I think we all had our fun, this is the main thing, and where you speak of brobleme with the language, nice greetings from google translator,
my last english teaching is 30 years ago :)

This was just a try and if the time allows it, we could repeat something like this every few weeks,
maybe next time you can come with the bombers to us, but unfortunately is my problem, can always only on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Greetings and thanks,
Jos

it was fun and stuff like this makes for a good night! - in hindsight perhaps with our radar the odd were not as steep as they seemed. A few more reds (say five) and a little more (heaven forbid) planning could have given everyone even more fun.

I dont presume to seize the mantle of leadership for the reds but I think a regular event like this can only get better and benefit us all in terms of planning strategies - its nice to have that side v side engagement where there is one focus that isn't diluted by some hotshot staffing the formation on takeoff!!

AS a combined fighter/bomber outfit I think its right that the focus should be on your training and enjoyment of escorted bomber raids - there's always the Boomers for red bomber events.

More please and you can count on my support all the way.

Regards

BOO

PS - Perhaps we could whitewash Karayas windscreen or something? or make him play on a 7" monitor? :-)

=AN=Lobo
Aug-10-2017, 11:57
In the first raid was my fault our attack don't be more efficient. With my mic mutted I reported the formation but nobody listen...

The first pass is critical against 109s escort. Those devil machines are fast...

BOO
Aug-10-2017, 13:45
This is why I like stuff like this - getting fly with people who I may normally miss - next time if we don't hear you lobo we will shout up!! :-)

Rostic
Aug-10-2017, 15:25
Screenshots from second raid on Stuka's

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Link to screenshots (https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11766&p=274845&viewfull=1#post274845)

=AN=Lobo
Aug-10-2017, 16:41
This is why I like stuff like this - getting fly with people who I may normally miss - next time if we don't hear you lobo we will shout up!! :-)

Please, do It! Lol