STUKA LOOPY!! 16Th September 2017 2000UTC

[BOO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUXqJ37ZDTw&feature=youtu.be


Usual Rule - learn to fly it and turn up!

WE NEED FIGHTER COVER!!!!

[DerDa]

Fighter cover?
For Stukas???

Why? I rather think the red side would need some F 18s to protect their Spits and Hurris from them.

Oh well, I will try to be there anyway ...

[ATAG_kiwiflieger]

Nice - I'll be there as heavy fighter cover in my 110. :thumbsup:


Quick note for those who want awesome Stuka diving noises when they roll over onto the target; you have to open the airbrake before your dive. In the Stuka it's on your lower left side next to the trim controls.

[ATAG_Dave]

Did someone say Stukas???:recon: Real life permitting - Yes pls :thumbsup:

[ZG26_Sir_Racha]

I'll fly fighter cover!
As a stuka.

[BOO]

Just to be clear

15th September is Battle of Britain Day in the UK. My thought was originally to try and mass 111s to raid London in recognition of this but people seemed to prefer Stukas. So, the idea is to run a Stuka raid as would have perhaps been seen in the opening stages of the BOB, with fighter cover. The idea is NOT to use the Stukas as fighters even though their over powered FMs allow this (at least not until the raid is done).

If everyone intends jettisoning their load to go hunting at the first sign of the enemy then there is no point to any effort in putting this event on. That's why I'm asking for fighter cover. I know we will have the Rudelbums trying to kill as many of us as they can before we shoot them to oblivion but there is nothing I can do about that.

I have no problem with turning and burning on the deck once we are coming out of target though. None at all. At bit of give and take if you will.

Sorry if that comes off as me being a dick about it but it does take a fair bit of work to sort this kind of stuff both before and on the night. Each must play a part etc etc.

S!

BOO

[ATAG_Vampire]

Hope to be back from hols on the 10th so that should give me time for a refresher course before this.

I shall endeavour to be there. :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

[BOO]

Hope to be back from hols on the 10th so that should give me time for a refresher course before this.

I shall endeavour to be there. :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

Oh its easy - rads at 50 everything else at 100 fly for bit, push the stick forward....die. Simples!!

[9./JG52_Meyer]

I shall be roasting my scrotum on a beach in Turkey on that date however I am sure some of my Staffel mates will attend as fighter cover

Hals und beinbruch

[BOO]

I'm struggling with that image...

[Airshow]

I'll be there!

[knight29]

i will come, if I you let me. thanks!

[BOO]

i will come, if I you let me. thanks!

You are welcome friend! Everyone is. Just learn the basics of the aircraft and how to dive bomb. On the night there will be chaps on coms who can advise us all about settings etc.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Stuka is the easiest aircraft to fly and fight in of all types in CoD.

Just show up and have fun. ;)

[BOO]

Stuka is the easiest aircraft to fly and fight in of all types in CoD.

Just show up and have fun. ;)

Its true - The Stuka is an easy aircraft to fly - but it still has a few basic systems to learn and there will be 15-20 other 87s hopefully - that's a big mass of metal to move in anything approaching a co-ordinated manner. So an hour's familiarisation and checking you either know where to click or binding keys to the stuff you need to click really helps everyone. Nothing worse than getting to target and someone asking "where are the dive brakes" or "how do I set the bombing altitude".

To date the formations have been pretty loose- that makes it hard for our cover and easy for our opposition. For this we will need to be as close as we can get to one another. Which leads nicely to the fact that your mate in the back is a drunk who cant shoot straight. Again, being able to hop positions and set up the gun quickly will be really useful.

None of this stuff is hard but it does needs checking beforehand.

A SIMPLE CHECKLIST FROM AN EXPEREIENCED 87 JOCK WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF IT WERE POSTED..............:-)

[Bonditaria]

For this we will need to be as close as we can get to one another.
:-)

Agreed.

Thanks for organizing this BOO.

Its fun to see Stukas flying on the server.

If you like Stukas, you can to fly close to them, to take a closer look.

First take a close look at the gunner.

Then circle back 'round and take a good close look at the pilot.

It's fun to watch them dive!

See you there!


https://s10.postimg.org/a2vtu0de1/stukas.jpg

[ATAG_Dave]

A SIMPLE CHECKLIST FROM AN EXPEREIENCED 87 JOCK WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF IT WERE POSTED..............:-)

The below is from a post I made from the original 2015 Stuka Storm event - hopefully its useful:

"It looks like the spits are almost full and we are still in need of stuka pilots. So for those who havnt flown it who normally fly red come and join the 'dark side' for the evening . Stukas are a lot of fun, very easy to fly and the event will be a great laugh if well attended. Forget your normal allegiances and so on for the event - its not a red v blue event, but rather a chance to get a large formation of bombers in the air in a semi organised fashion. The winners of the event will be those taking part and the losers those who miss out

For those Hurricane and spitfire pilots who have not tried the stuka, below are the additional controls you need to set up to fly it. Throttle, prop pitch, switching gunsight on, fuel on/off, flaps and so on work just the same as in your regular ride. Radiator uses same control but works slightly different (just like a 109), you move the control to open or close it to a setting you want (50% is a set and forget setting once airborne) and release the control once its at your desired setting - there is a handy dial in cockpit (top right) - pointing to 5 o clock position is fully open, 1 o clock fully closed , 3 o clock = 50%.

From the VIEW menu:
- 'lean to gunsight' (you need this somewhere handy to use repeatedly in a fight). Some folks swear by it, others swear about it - optional

From the AIRCRAFT (KEYS) menu add:
- Toggle airbrake (occasional use) - comes with free siren sounds and an alarmingly steep flight towards the earth/sea
- Drop Ordnance (somewhere handy of course) - drop your bomb(s)
- Toggle bombs armed (used once per flight) - somewhat embarrassing if you forget this bit before dropping your bombs...which never happens of course
- Select previous bomb bay (somewhere handy) - these allow you to drop the large central bomb separately to the wing bombs so you get to bomb two rather than just one ship/target . Central bomb is bomb bay 1,
- Select next bomb bay (somewhere handy) - see above
- close oil radiator (occasional use)
- Open oil radiator(once per flight) - set it at 55% and forget about it basically.
- #1 Supercharger previous step (occasional use)
- #1 Supercharger next step (once per flight) - unleash the full & er 'awesome' power of the stuka engine above 1500m
- close side window (occasional use)
- open side window (once per flight) - opens the aiming window between your feet in the cockpit - a nice breeze in the cockpit is useful on a warm day or indeed to get rid of any unpleasant aromas resulting from seeing 3 spits suddenly drop into your 6 o clock

Fun guaranteed or your money back :D"

[BOO]

Thanks Dave!

[ATAG_Lewis]

I shall be roasting my scrotum on a beach in Turkey on that date however I am sure some of my Staffel mates will attend as fighter cover

Hals und beinbruch

How did you manage to send your scrotum to Turkey?...and why can't you just fly without it on that day?

[ATAG_Lewis]

Daves post copied and kept in my stash of go to notepad files...thx

[BOO]

[QUOTE=ATAG_Lewis;277292]How did you manage to send your scrotum to Turkey?...and why can't you just fly without it on that day?[/QUOTE


in a padded jiffy bag I hope..

[ATAG_Snarglepuss]

I shall be there. Please reserve one (1) Stuka with extra loud siren. (deposit is in the mail)
I propose the mother of all Stuka dives from 8000 meters. A massive formation
from the stratosphere ...... it's giving me the vapours just thinking about it....

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

A SIMPLE CHECKLIST FROM AN EXPEREIENCED 87 JOCK WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF IT WERE POSTED..............:-)

- Turn on the engine
- Drop the bomb on target
- Shot down some teabags
- Back safe at the home airfield

Simple enough?

:):):)

[JG4_Thorwald]

I would like to mention that the Stuka with extended dive brakes automatically drop the bombs at a predetermined height,
and then intercept automatically the fall of the Ju87.
This height can be adjusted by the instrument above the altimeter. (white/red pointer).

Of course you can also trigger the bombs manually - and the Stuka will also
automatically intercept the fall of the plane in this case. (But only with extended dive brakes!)
But, if you want to trigger the bombs manually, then turn (just a suggestion) the drop height to a lower setting.
Otherwise the bombs will be dropped before you can press the trigger, or the target is in the sight.
Of Course that depends on the height from which you want to throw

The propeller automatic reacts a bit sluggish. A setting of 85% can be used (after the start) for the entire flight

Whether I will participate myself I can not yet say, but the date of the event
has been posted in the JG4 forum and i'm sure there will be - as always - some pilots of the JG4
to fly escort or bombers

Salute

[Cassius]

1./St.G.129 will participate.

[Gromit]

I shall volunteer to represent the valiant Mediterranean flyboys and escort you Stuka jockeys in a G50, if available :-), you can then come to my rescue and save my arse when I get into my usual pickle in a G50 trying to fight half the RAF in one go!

[DerDa]

As far as I see, up to now I am the only RAF that may make an appearance.
So I don't think anybody on the blue side has to worry, whatever they might fly.

Morituri te salutant etc.

[BOO]

Oh they always turn up DerDa!! :-)

@ Meyer - Thanks - I always appreciate the support of 9./JG52 as you know. Sorry you'll miss this one personally.

@ Thorwald - Thanks for taking the time to post the info! - I appreciate it.

Hope you can make it but if not I hope to see some JG4 on the night in capacities various.

@Snarglepuss - I look forward to hearing your sage wit and advice on coms Sir!!

@Cassius, that's for your support!! Greatly appreciated.

@Gromit - one thing Clod guarantees is sunshine so you olive eating types should feel right at home. We will be flying above 150ft for some of the way, will your G50 be ok with that? - I'll pack you a coat just in case. :-)

S!

BOO

[9./JG52 Sturm]

Me too Boo! I'll be there and I'm sure there will be others from 52.


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[BOO]

Great Stuff Sturm - Ill leave the details about what you want to do to you chaps!

[ATAG_Flare]

Next Saturday?

Why not. I'll see if I can make it out. Whether I fly a blasted 87 or not I don't know yet. A Hurri would be awfully nice to smash up your party. Or maybe a Blennie fighter! :devilish:

[BOO]

next saturday?

Why not. I'll see if i can make it out. Whether i fly a blasted 87 or not i don't know yet. A hurri would be awfully nice to smash up your party. Or maybe a blennie fighter! :devilish:

"like" :-)

[ATAG_Scones]

Boo,

I agree with what you're saying about how this should be played out. It surely must add to the excitement this way.

Another ship I've not flown, the Stuka; but...

If You Supply It I'll Fly It!

:salute:

[Maru]

Hi Boo, Im always happy to take part of your events, if there is still space for a noob spitifire pilot then count me in!

I will ask my geschwader if they also would like to participate, I dont know if Derda did already..

Regards

[BOO]

@Sconsey - more than welcome mate - have a look at Daves post above for tips on the Stuka.

@Maru - always good to have you along even if you are flying against us!! :-)

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

May be your last chance to fly an 'uber' Stuka in a big event... ;)

[ATAG_Highseas]

May be your last chance to fly an 'uber' Stuka in a big event... ;)

What?!?

I thought we had two weeks

:stunned:

[BOO]

well its not patch drop tomorrow then :-)

[7./JG26_SMOKEJUMPER]

109 please.

[ATAG_Scones]

May be your last chance to fly an 'uber' Stuka in a big event... ;)

Couldn't that be, "Will be..."?

:salute:

[BOO]

depends if you do a second run :-)

[Maru]

Hi again, so we are 4 guys from FG28 coming to this event.
Maybe 2 of us wont make it but we will see..

FG28_Kayo
FG28_Ceaser
FG28_Derda
FG28_andme

We will fly hurricanes.

See you : ))

[lil_head]

I'm struggling with that image...

Yes me too. Could we get a pic?



I'll try and get to this event (4am)and will fly a stuka if you need numbers. Otherwise I'll slot in wherever needed.
If I don't make it don't wait ;)

[BOO]

Looking Forward to seeing a few of you tonight. Just a reminder to for Win10 users to check the latest update isn't making their game crash beforehand.

Thanks

BOO

[BOO]

Just received this from a bloke calling himself "Escobar Cullinder"

30909


So guys - if you were thinking about shooting us down - please don't - the future of TF4.5 rests in your hands Reds. You need to let us win...





(Worth a try....)

[BOO]

Hi again, so we are 4 guys from FG28 coming to this event.
Maybe 2 of us wont make it but we will see..

FG28_Kayo
FG28_Ceaser
FG28_Derda
FG28_andme

We will fly hurricanes.

See you : ))

No worries Maru - TBH I tend to let the "opposition" sort themselves out as the event is very much about the attackers. That said, I'm really pleased to see you entering into the spirit by adopting Hurricanes and not Spit IIas!!

I know you fellas like to keep in your own coms but if you could perhaps consider joining the ATAG allies channel (or even getting together with a few others and operating an allies fighter channel for the duration of the event) I think this would add to the night - no compunction tho.

As ive said all along, for my part I will try to make the event at least partly historical, using those tactics early Stuka raids employed. As such ill be discouraging dogfighting with them until at least the bombs have been dropped!!

The more red fighters we can persuade to adopt a kind of "dead is dead" mentality towards their attacks on us (so an element of self preservation, not just drilling us until they themselves are shot to pieces) the better chance we have of achieving some modicum of historic "ambience".

But this is a public server so I cant control that or demand it.

See you in the skies tonight!!

S!

BOO

[ATAG_Ribbs]

Boo...the ransom note looks a bit fishy...can't even spell Stuka right.. I don't think we have anything to worry about. :thumbsup:

[BOO]

Boo...the random note looks a bit fishy...can't even spell Stuka right.. I don't think we have anything to worry about. :thumbsup:

I actually did that deliber.......I mean...yeah, sure sign whoever sent it means business......

[DerDa]

Usually we from FG28 stay on our own TS Channel, because all of us are German speaking and we don't want to block ATAG TS with our outlandish chitchat.
For an event like this we will naturally join ATAG TS. Otherwise most probably we will patrol the Isle of Wight, while all the action is at Manston (as happened during the first casual Boomber's event ...)

So please keep your banter clear, loud and slow and don't mention the war.

[Sonny]

Sign me up for a stuka.

Oh yea and my ingame name is Iceman.

[BOO]

glad to have you aboard Sonny - be in the Boomers casual channel before 9 uk time. We fly what the server gives us target wise. make sure you can access your airbrakes!! :-)

[Cassius]

Hi BOO.
Where will the Event take place. ATAG #2? Skins allowed?

[BOO]

Hello Cassius

Server 1 (Axis v Allies)

No custom skins sadly.

If there are future events I may (just may) get into mission and map making and have a conversation with ATAG about it but that's off the top of my head

[ATAG_Flare]

Hello Cassius

Server 1 (Axis v Allies)

No custom skins sadly.

If there are future events I may (just may) get into mission and map making and have a conversation with ATAG about it but that's off the top of my head

What we could have done was to get Pantast to put the Stuka Storm mission up on Server 2. In the future if you want to run any of the event missions we've done in the past (blennies to boulogne, Italy attacks, etc) just let us know and that can be set up.

[ATAG_Scones]

The below is from a post I made from the original 2015 Stuka Storm event - hopefully its useful:

"It looks like the spits are almost full and we are still in need of stuka pilots. So for those who havnt flown it who normally fly red come and join the 'dark side' for the evening . Stukas are a lot of fun, very easy to fly and the event will be a great laugh if well attended. Forget your normal allegiances and so on for the event - its not a red v blue event, but rather a chance to get a large formation of bombers in the air in a semi organised fashion. The winners of the event will be those taking part and the losers those who miss out

For those Hurricane and spitfire pilots who have not tried the stuka, below are the additional controls you need to set up to fly it. Throttle, prop pitch, switching gunsight on, fuel on/off, flaps and so on work just the same as in your regular ride. Radiator uses same control but works slightly different (just like a 109), you move the control to open or close it to a setting you want (50% is a set and forget setting once airborne) and release the control once its at your desired setting - there is a handy dial in cockpit (top right) - pointing to 5 o clock position is fully open, 1 o clock fully closed , 3 o clock = 50%.

From the VIEW menu:
- 'lean to gunsight' (you need this somewhere handy to use repeatedly in a fight). Some folks swear by it, others swear about it - optional

From the AIRCRAFT (KEYS) menu add:
- Toggle airbrake (occasional use) - comes with free siren sounds and an alarmingly steep flight towards the earth/sea
- Drop Ordnance (somewhere handy of course) - drop your bomb(s)
- Toggle bombs armed (used once per flight) - somewhat embarrassing if you forget this bit before dropping your bombs...which never happens of course
- Select previous bomb bay (somewhere handy) - these allow you to drop the large central bomb separately to the wing bombs so you get to bomb two rather than just one ship/target . Central bomb is bomb bay 1,
- Select next bomb bay (somewhere handy) - see above
- close oil radiator (occasional use)
- Open oil radiator(once per flight) - set it at 55% and forget about it basically.
- #1 Supercharger previous step (occasional use)
- #1 Supercharger next step (once per flight) - unleash the full & er 'awesome' power of the stuka engine above 1500m
- close side window (occasional use)
- open side window (once per flight) - opens the aiming window between your feet in the cockpit - a nice breeze in the cockpit is useful on a warm day or indeed to get rid of any unpleasant aromas resulting from seeing 3 spits suddenly drop into your 6 o clock

Fun guaranteed or your money back :D"

Thank you, Dave!

I needed this. :thumbsup:

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Quick note for those who want awesome Stuka diving noises when they roll over onto the target; you have to open the airbrake before your dive. In the Stuka it's on your lower left side next to the trim controls.

Last time I've flown the Stuka my aircraft was find in China some months later after I've attempted the so iconic dive... :):):) ... Good advice Flieger...ops Kiwiflieger!!!

[BOO]

THANK YOU everyone who joined in!! And to Drock for his brilliant navigation and leadership.

22 Stukas in one group flying to Ride of the Valkyries was quite something!!

And to 9./JG52, JG4, Kiwi and all the other 109s who flew with use - THANK YOU for the superb fighter cover - we watched that 25 min running battle with awe! Couldn't have gotten anywhere close without that.

And finally to the Reds who came hunting us and FG28 for turning up squad handed. Hope you all enjoyed it as much as we did!!

S!!

BOO

BTW - first time ive ever seem a steam train go up - WOW!!

[BOO]

A special mention to TNScones who, despite not being able to take part, still joined us on coms to listen in to the fun.

That's dedication to CloD for you!

S! Sconsey and look forward to flying with you soon!!

BOO

[69th_Zeb]

Another epic experience. We were goofing around towards the end near Le Havre and someone inadvertently set off the last trigger to win the map! :)

Man, accidentally flying my Blenny right in the middle of the Stukas was instantly unforgettable. ha

[ATAG_Flare]

THANK YOU everyone who joined in!! And to Drock for his brilliant navigation and leadership.

22 Stukas in one group flying to Ride of the Valkyries was quite something!!

BTW - first time ive ever seem a steam train go up - WOW!!

Video of the best bits (including Ride of the Valkyries) will be up in the next few days.

Ahh so upset I had to go - I would have loved to get a steam train!

[9./JG52_Meyer]

Shame I missed it ,being overseas an all,anyway sounds like it was a great success. Looking forward to the videos when they come out. Well done Boo on organizing it glad it was well supported .

Hals und beinbruch

[ATAG_kiwiflieger]

Great fun as always BOO, even if the best I could do at escorting in a 110 was drag them away from you... S!

[BOO]

Great fun as always BOO, even if the best I could do at escorting in a 110 was drag them away from you... S!

Vital part of it all Kiwi and thanks very much for the positional updates on the second raid - i'd have been lost without em!!

I think last night proved that even with some pretty intensive attention by the opposition, a decent plan, a not too obvious target and great fighter cover can see even the lowly old JU87 get through.

Bringing anything back from an event like this is a miracle but, had we left the mission at just taking out the primary, even more JU87s would have returned. As it was we went for the hornet's nest at Crepon - which we all knew was going to be virtually suicide but - what a blast!! :-)

Personally, and thanks to my 500KG bomb on Crepon I got the highest single number of kills in a Blue Aircraft on the first raid---- 4. I think that says more about luck and my lack of ability in a 109 than anything else though!!

Fighter wise - it was just awesome to watch spit and Hurri after spit and hurri tangling with us and falling to the guns of 109s. High cover and low cover working perfectly.

Keeping 22 Stukas in the same map let alone grid square takes a lot of concentration from everyone. Again, well done to all, especially the noobs to the Ju87 for managing that feat over such a distance and to Drock for getting us there without error. This no doubt helped to reduced our losses and allowed the fighters to provide the effective cover that they did. Up to the first target, I think we lost more to launcher crashes than the Reds.

Coms worked well also athough I think having whispers set not just to me but to the whole bomber group would have helped as many coms had to be repeated due to traffic in my channel resultant from my guys not knowing someone was speaking.

If anyone has any other observation, please tell!

S!

BOO

[ATAG_Laser]

Glad the event went well Boo.

I was hoping to jump in on the red side (I haven't had time to learn the Stuka), but unfortunately couldn't make it.

I did see a pretty packed server though, always good to see :salute:

[DRock]

Thanks for the fun, Boo. Great job as usual.:thumbsup:

Good to see all the new faces, and the old one's, too.:salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

A special mention to TNScones who, despite not being able to take part, still joined us on coms to listen in to the fun.

That's dedication to CloD for you!

S! Sconsey and look forward to flying with you soon!!

BOO

Thanks for the mention, Boo.

I had to join you on TS, I appreciate the amount of work you put in to these events. :thumbsup:

My apologies to you and all who took part for not being on the server.

Anyway, you guys had a great time by the sounds of it!

Thank you, Boo and all involved in organizing it. Well done!

:salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

Video of the best bits (including Ride of the Valkyries) will be up in the next few days.

Ahh so upset I had to go - I would have loved to get a steam train!

Thanks, Flare!

Not having been on the server due to the Win 10 update issue, I am looking forward to seeing any videos of the event. :thumbsup:

:salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

Thanks for the fun, Boo. Great job as usual.:thumbsup:

Good to see all the new faces, and the old one's, too.:salute:

It was good to hear you're on the mend after Carpel Tunnel Syndrome.

Welcome back, DRock!

:salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

depends if you do a second run :-)


I want 4.5 first! :-)

[DUI]

What a great Stuka evening yesterday! Thanks a lot to everyone, especially BOO and DRock! :salute:

I am looking very much forward to Flare's video and still keep my hopes up that Karaya will also upload one - even though due to a technical issue he recorded the whole sortie without sound. Would love to see it from the fighter's perspective...

[ATAG_Vampire]

Yes two great Stuka sorties and a fun evenings flying.

BOO and DRock, thanks for everything. These events are a delight and show this sim, and the superb community we have at their best.

Looking forward to many more events in the future and to watching some videos from last night.

Thanks to all who participated. :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

[9./JG52 Kettarian_Fox]

What a great Stuka evening yesterday! Thanks a lot to everyone, especially BOO and DRock! :salute:

I am looking very much forward to Flare's video and still keep my hopes up that Karaya will also upload one - even though due to a technical issue he recorded the whole sortie without sound. Would love to see it from the fighter's perspective...

I'd love to see Karaya's vid too - that was a spectacular kill count, and you guys fought on the deck there didn't you?

[DRock]

It was good to hear you're on the mend after Carpel Tunnel Syndrome.

Welcome back, DRock!

:salute:

Thanks, Scones. I appreciate the comments.

In order to heal I've had to step away from a few things I loved, including CoD. The pain became too unbearable and caused sleepless nights. I'm a lot better now, and ready to fly again. Flying yesterday reminded me how much I missed CoD and the community.

Please don't give me credit for these missions. This is Boo's creation and leadership. I was just following orders like everyone else.

Also, special thanks to the escorts who try their best to keep us bombers safer. You guys were amazing yesterday. It was fun to watch the constant dogfight on our six.

Great job, Boo. This is a really good thing you do for the community.


Cheers

[Cassius]

Great Event!


Strike while the iron is hot


May be your last chance to fly an 'uber' Stuka in a big event... ;)
He could be mistaken :)

[ECMO1]

BOO,

Thanks for telling me about this!

I was a little late to the show and just managed to take off as the formation made its last circle over the field.

This was my first formation flight on the server and what a sight. I expected some lag, but it was smooth all the way into the target.

Managed to keep up and get my bombs on the first target, but a Spit took me out on the climb out to the second.

Great fun!

[BOO]

Glad you could join in ECM. Its quite a sight when so many of us get together that's for sure - glad you got to the first target too. The first one we did a few months back .......NONE of us made it!.......................so we are improving...:-)

[=vit_unit=]

This is my thanks to event organisators:



https://youtu.be/a0F4Fg5Ohi8

[BOO]

Great work Vit_Unit!

Thank you for putting this together and sharing!

S!!
BOO

[MezzA]

great video m8, looks well polished.

[lil_head]

Thanks Boo,

This was the first event I've been in and I had a ball!!
Dropped bombs on the first target and got shot down on the coast about 2 km's from Crepon.
Watched the surviving 87's, from my parachute, attacking Crepon. Didn't see a second chute so I don't think my gunner made it.

I'd be up for this every weekend :) even though its at 4am for me it works well as my kids are still asleep and time is my own.

Thanks again mate

[ATAG_Flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJYzU7YqZ0

Some of the funniest bits from the event. Unfortunately my recording messed up a few minutes after the first target but I still got some good bits!

[=vit_unit=]

Nice subtitles there ))
That was massive engaging of the target )

So it was DRock who started to dive on it )

[ATAG_Flare]

Nice subtitles there ))
That was massive engaging of the target )

So it was DRock who started to dive on it )

Thanks vit! First time doing the subtitles, usually I do a cinematic but I didn't make a track file. Glad to know you liked it!


It was yotheguy who dove first, I thought it was DRock though.

[ATAG_Scones]

Vit_Unit, ATAG_Flare, thanks for sharing the vids!

:salute:

'Sconesy

[DRock]

Something I'm curious about with these big 'loose' formations, is why the bombers don't get closer to each other.

Keeping bombers closer, but not too close, would allow the escorts to protect all of us better. It would also be benificial to the bombers to stay close to allow rear gunners to open up on interceptors.

When leading bombers, I try to stay around 70-75% power to keep the group together. In this raid I was running 30% throttle, 90 prop, ~310 km/h. The Stuka is capable of over ~400 km/h, so everyone should have been able to keep up. I guess we could tighten up the circuit over airfield before we head out.


What do you guys think is the best tactic for bomber formations?

Loose? Tight? Multiple tight?

Some input from our JG4 escorts would be nice, too.

[BOO]

As I see it many were keeping out of it cos too many people were zooming up to the front, dropping back, ducking underneath and drifting across.

If there are to be tighter formations, the benefits of having those who are good with their rear gunners at the back needs to be established. As it is, the better pilots tend to pile to the front, the less confident drift off to the side.

[Cassius]

Something I'm curious about with these big 'loose' formations, is why the bombers don't get closer to each other.

Keeping bombers closer, but not too close, would allow the escorts to protect all of us better. It would also be benificial to the bombers to stay close to allow rear gunners to open up on interceptors.

When leading bombers, I try to stay around 70-75% power to keep the group together. In this raid I was running 30% throttle, 90 prop, ~310 km/h. The Stuka is capable of over ~400 km/h, so everyone should have been able to keep up. I guess we could tighten up the circuit over airfield before we head out.


What do you guys think is the best tactic for bomber formations?

Loose? Tight? Multiple tight?

Some input from our JG4 escorts would be nice, too.
Our group went by right side near. I tried to stay as close as possible in front, that the whole group did not stretch. I sometimes had to drop throttle to zero, so as not to overtake the leader and keep close. Close formation is the best choice, I think. Better to be stretch in front, but not along the length of the movement. The latter is always easy prey for enemy fighters.
:salute:
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Maybe can try to meet once a week, for large group flights? Of course this is for those who like to try to be in the ranks together with so many human pilots.
Even with all the little errors, it was an incredible flight. To others this is not available, either because of the limitations of the game engine, or the lack of such a number of interested...

[ATAG_yotheguy]

Something I'm curious about with these big 'loose' formations, is why the bombers don't get closer to each other.

Keeping bombers closer, but not too close, would allow the escorts to protect all of us better. It would also be benificial to the bombers to stay close to allow rear gunners to open up on interceptors.

When leading bombers, I try to stay around 70-75% power to keep the group together. In this raid I was running 30% throttle, 90 prop, ~310 km/h. The Stuka is capable of over ~400 km/h, so everyone should have been able to keep up. I guess we could tighten up the circuit over airfield before we head out.


What do you guys think is the best tactic for bomber formations?

Loose? Tight? Multiple tight?

Some input from our JG4 escorts would be nice, too.



lol Tighter.


[video=youtube_share;cvP7cnmxlLM]https://youtu.be/cvP7cnmxlLM?t=57s

[=vit_unit=]

Definitly tight formation is better for bombers in point of view of itself defence and for an escort.
But on the other hand, there are net 'bouncing' lags that can cause air accidents.
To fight this problem we desided to keep close formation with small altidude separation. And all formaion is devided into smaller formations with 3 planes, for example. It helps to avoid crashes during such lags. And when lags occur we just keep flying straight with no extreme throttle down so we can keep formation after the lags end.

[vranac]

A great video vit_unit !

Who was that hurri pretending to be a stuka :D



But why are you all on the deck in those events :hide:

[69th_Zeb]

That formation dive, however messy, looked amazing guys. So cool to watch.

[DRock]

A great video vit_unit !

Who was that hurri pretending to be a stuka :D



But why are you all on the deck in those events :hide:

I wondered the same thing. He was trying to blend in. It's looks like the pilot was trying to raise the gear, or video clips are not in order.

Our low flying was direct orders from Commander Boo. Avoid radar. It was a good call, IMHO.


@Zeb. Nice flying, Bud. Your rear gunning seized my E-4 engine and elevator, sending me into the ground without time to bail. Perfect.:thumbsup:

[BOO]

Hello Vranac

I asked the formation to fly low due to the cloud on the map. I didn't want us getting to target and having to circle 24 stukas looking through gaps. These nights attract a lot of players who aint necessarily got much experience in bombers so, dead reckoning then diving down to an unsighted target wasn't really on the cards.

A large formation highlighted against white clouds is also pretty easy to spot from some distance out even if the TAB 7-1 is jammed by something closer to the requestee. The map doesn't give any wriggle room to the South so aircraft patrolling Caen would have seen us creeping along the southern edge and flying north would have been a long drag over the water in an area where TAB wouldn't have had local interference.. I also try to fly the events so that they are interesting. Grass and trees are much more interesting than water.

Avoiding Tab 7-1 was also a thought but it was more that the southern route would benefit from Blue players not taking part in the raid jamming it as they flew (as usual) A-B Roen/Leharve to Crepon.

Regards

BOO

[DerDa]

'Grass and trees are much more interesting than water. '

I should have known ...
I imagined you would take a wide turn over the water and go for the ships maybe and then Théville or Octeville.

Anyway, the whole thing showed again that you need coordinated defense to fight of large formations. A pity we could not organise this.
Next time :)

[BOO]

Yup - that was the obvious thing (I don't mean that in a derisory way).

The thing for the bomber events is to get the players to at least the target. So we will usually avoid A-B runs and big obvious targets initially then perhaps go and raid something more in the line of fire as secondaries or second mission.. In the past when we haven't done this, we got massacred in the first 30 mins.

I know this doesn't help the defenders who want to take part in a historical manner but given the "Death or Glory" play style of the server it helps us!!

For the moment I'm backing off the events just for a couple of months (others can step forward if they like) - TBH, without D-rock, his skill and his infectious personality they would be a disaster and I don't want to keep putting the pressure on him (given I never ask him beforehand and he has to make a recovery from CTS). For various reasons I also find the coming in blind to a running server and having to work something out for 30 odd expectant players or varying experience a little too stressful for me to be truly enjoyable.

There is the option of running something on Server 2 I think (with sign ups and rules of play) but this is for the future. The original idea of the Casuals was to get a few like minded delivery drivers together to fly with a few peeps who had never considered bomber but its grown a little beyond that currently.

S!

BOO

[DRock]

Yup - that was the obvious thing (I don't mean that in a derisory way).

The thing for the bomber events is to get the players to at least the target. So we will usually avoid A-B runs and big obvious targets initially then perhaps go and raid something more in the line of fire as secondaries or second mission.. In the past when we haven't done this, we got massacred in the first 30 mins.

I know this doesn't help the defenders who want to take part in a historical manner but given the "Death or Glory" play style of the server it helps us!!

For the moment I'm backing off the events just for a couple of months (others can step forward if they like) - TBH, without D-rock, his skill and his infectious personality they would be a disaster and I don't want to keep putting the pressure on him (given I never ask him beforehand and he has to make a recovery from CTS). For various reasons I also find the coming in blind to a running server and having to work something out for 30 odd expectant players or varying experience a little too stressful for me to be truly enjoyable.

There is the option of running something on Server 2 I think (with sign ups and rules of play) but this is for the future. The original idea of the Casuals was to get a few like minded delivery drivers together to fly with a few peeps who had never considered bomber but its grown a little beyond that currently.

S!

BOO

I appreciate your concern, Boo. You're a good friend, and I'm glad I met you.

You haven't burdened me at all, and my hands are healing up now. I'm getting back into flying again and can't wait to fly these big formations

I agree that this has got more popular then you might have expected, which is why we need to continue.

As far as leading the bombers, I was always hoping others would try and lead, and not always depend on me. It seems no one wants to risk failing, and so they take a back seat.


Boo, you are doing an amazing job, and you have a lot of support if you need it. I'm willing to take more responsibilities if it helps you out. Personally, I like the way we attack ATAG's main server. I'll bet our enemies get a real kick out of seeing this happen.

This stuff needs to happen more often, and we can't let you leave just yet. We have a whole new sim to discover with 4.5, so let's step it up.

It's all about the fun.:)

[=vit_unit=]

I wondered the same thing. He was trying to blend in. It's looks like the pilot was trying to raise the gear, or video clips are not in order.



That hurri came to stuka formation with gears down. After he was compromised pilot tried to pull gears up.

[DRock]

That hurri came to stuka formation with gears down. After he was compromised pilot tried to pull gears up.

Sneaky, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I like it.:devilish:

[=vit_unit=]

He sang song like this "I'm stuka-stuka-stuka, I am not hurricain at all" ))

[BOO]

This stuff needs to happen more often, and we can't let you leave just yet. We have a whole new sim to discover with 4.5, so let's step it up.

It's all about the fun.:)

I didn't say "leave" just "rest" :-)

if you are ok with it I'm good also. I just know I cant lead the raids that well so it will always be down to you (unless others of equally or near ability would like to help out also). I just remember you talking about your hands on Saturday and thinking "SHOneT, ive forced Drock to be here" - that made me feel bad.

My old boss used to say "I'm the ideas guy" - which meant he dreamed up crazy and left others to work it out. Guess I'm like my old boss!

Speaking of which....I had a notion called "The Terrible Twins" but it really relies on TF4.5, the Beau and the hurri bombers. It could be done without but hell I want cannon.

I agree that hitting the main server is fun. I originally figured that maybe 6 or 7 of us would be the total but when you see 40 plus players committed to it on one way or another you go "Yikes!!"

I felt really bad for FG28 who turned out to support us but got left out in the cold since the events only concentrate on the bombing side. Id like to find a way of making it more inclusive but this comes with the knowledge that for every player who want to play it straight there are 2 others who jut wanna shoot stuff till they die.

Mission based events mean Sign ups that also allow for some small rule making.I also like the idea of mixing in some "contrived" missions on server 2 as it lets both sides come prepared to a degree and we can accommodate red and blue. It also allows for some matching up of those lesser loved aircraft that some of the more masochistic players like Gromit and Jeepy seem to be enthralled with. So I'm am also working on a mission based "thing" but its gonna take some working up given I know nothing about the FMB.

We will see.

So, The Terrible Twins yeah well it starts wi........

.................Give me a Date Drock and we'll work something up for that.. TF4.5 or no TF 4.5

S!

BOO

[BOO]

VIT - would you mind if I linked your video to one of the Clod Threads on the BOS forums? I think it would be nice for people to see that Clod actually isnt the aviation equivalent of minecraft when it comes to gfx and that it does in fact have a community that can put up big bomber raids and doesn't just dogfight.

Regards

BOO

[DerDa]

'I had a notion called "The Terrible Twins" but it really relies on TF4.5, the Beau and the hurri bombers.'


Oh. I like that! I really, really like that!!!:):):)

[=vit_unit=]

BOO, hell yeah, just do it))

[BOO]

BOO, hell yeah, just do it))

Thanks Vit!

[Karaya]

One of the two videos I plan on uploading covering the Stuka Loopy event. It's the second sortie targeting the Caen railyard!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heIlcgv7MNQ

[BOO]

Thanks Karaya for putting this up.

S!!

BOO