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SIA_Sp00k
Oct-21-2017, 20:18
The 1st TWC Forged in Iron event will take place in the TWC Tactical Server, GMT+0 2000hrs, next Sunday, 29 Oct 2017 (Australia)

There is a heavy requirement for Bomber pilots on both sides and accompanying Fighter Escorts to succeed

Forged in Iron

The scenerio is the German Army has just crossed the Somme river near Abbeville and are marching South! As a blue pilot you have to help your ground units achieve victory in the area.You will be called on 4 times in each mission to fly a special mission to destroy ground targets in the battle area and south of the Somme. If you fail to destroy these targets then the map does not move, the English have held you. If you do destroy the objectives then the map moves south and a new mission very similar plays out. no super planes E-1’s and E-3’s along with all the bombers VS Blennies, hurricanes and Spitfires of assorted types…. no Spit II’s .

As a red pilot you must stop the ground troops from advancing south. As a red pilot you have help in the way of dug in troops, armor and artillery. You have tanks on the way and must protect the assets you have in place as well as the ones moving into the area as well as harass any ground targets (trucks ,Supplies ,AAA, etc.) inside the front lines and across the lines when called to do so.Your fighters are useless against Heavy Armor so you need to spot for the bombers. You also will be called upon 5 times in each cycle to defend your territory against enemy air raids or to escort friendly bombers into the enemy territory. If you complete the missions or match the German output you have held them in place and the map will restart.If not the map will advance to the south and more german equipment will be put into the area making it that much harder to hold!

The enemy also has assets in the rear of there areas oil and fuel storage train transports Factories and ships and much more but it must be reconnoitered so you know where the target is located! Major areas have major targets but are well defended so Recon to find the target and tell your bomber buddies right where to bomb is a good idea. All buildings in the target area are live but if you bomb civilian areas your team will be penalized!!!!!

Destruction of fuel slows spawn of Armor destroy all fuel stores and all enemy armor slows to a crawl Death penalty is 5 min.You can still spawn in a tank, AAA, or gunner position but flying is restricted for 5 min. So don’t die! Stats reset after each death so you start on the bottom all over again.

There are over 3500 active targets on the map. The entire map is alive with the front lines moving to simulate the success of not of the battle!

Full details are at TWCCLAN.COM under the Tactical Server link. Maps of objectives for both sides also found here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMbGrOoXkYU

Sign up for Squadron/Pilots for Allied and Axis Bomber and Fighter roles can be made in this thread.

http://twcclan.com/forged-in-iron-sign-up-sheet/

Look forward to seeing those of you who can make it.

Cheers.

ATAG_Vampire
Oct-22-2017, 00:57
I like the look of this and hope to participate. It is always great fun on these events.

Will see if any of the other Rag Tags are up for it.

Good stuff. Thanks. :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

ATAG_Flare
Oct-22-2017, 15:34
The 1st TWC Forged in Iron event will take place in the TWC Tactical Server, GMT+0 2000hrs, next Sunday, 29 Oct 2017 (Australia)

There is a heavy requirement for Bomber pilots on both sides and accompanying Fighter Escorts to succeed

Forged in Iron

The scenerio is the German Army has just crossed the Somme river near Abbeville and are marching South! As a blue pilot you have to help your ground units achieve victory in the area.You will be called on 4 times in each mission to fly a special mission to destroy ground targets in the battle area and south of the Somme. If you fail to destroy these targets then the map does not move, the English have held you. If you do destroy the objectives then the map moves south and a new mission very similar plays out. no super planes E-1’s and E-3’s along with all the bombers VS Blennies, hurricanes and Spitfires of assorted types…. no Spit II’s .

As a red pilot you must stop the ground troops from advancing south. As a red pilot you have help in the way of dug in troops, armor and artillery. You have tanks on the way and must protect the assets you have in place as well as the ones moving into the area as well as harass any ground targets (trucks ,Supplies ,AAA, etc.) inside the front lines and across the lines when called to do so.Your fighters are useless against Heavy Armor so you need to spot for the bombers. You also will be called upon 5 times in each cycle to defend your territory against enemy air raids or to escort friendly bombers into the enemy territory. If you complete the missions or match the German output you have held them in place and the map will restart.If not the map will advance to the south and more german equipment will be put into the area making it that much harder to hold!

The enemy also has assets in the rear of there areas oil and fuel storage train transports Factories and ships and much more but it must be reconnoitered so you know where the target is located! Major areas have major targets but are well defended so Recon to find the target and tell your bomber buddies right where to bomb is a good idea. All buildings in the target area are live but if you bomb civilian areas your team will be penalized!!!!!

Destruction of fuel slows spawn of Armor destroy all fuel stores and all enemy armor slows to a crawl Death penalty is 5 min.You can still spawn in a tank, AAA, or gunner position but flying is restricted for 5 min. So don’t die! Stats reset after each death so you start on the bottom all over again.

There are over 3500 active targets on the map. The entire map is alive with the front lines moving to simulate the success of not of the battle!

Full details are at TWCCLAN.COM under the Tactical Server link. Maps of objectives for both sides also found here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMbGrOoXkYU

Sign up for Squadron/Pilots for Allied and Axis Bomber and Fighter roles can be made in this thread.
http://www.forums.twcclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=4364

Look forward to seeing those of you who can make it.

Cheers.

Hey Spook, I'd love to join this event. To join your forums it says I need to ask a TWC member for a registration code. Can I get one of those?

DUI
Oct-22-2017, 17:53
Sounds exciting, thanks for your enthusiasm Sp00k! :salute:

I cannot say yet how many of us JG4 will be able to participate but there will be some for sure!

DRock
Oct-22-2017, 18:34
Great stuff, TWC.

Count me in. :salute:



I'm interested in flying a Blenheim this weekend. If any fighters or bombers want to join in, we could use your help.

TWC_Fatal_Error
Oct-23-2017, 00:01
Ok a few things about the event we need people interested to sign up #1

and it is a 2 fold mission part 1 is a massive blenny attack on some axis target
the target will have much to destroy for complete annihilation but the potential is there

German Bomber pilots your mission is the same destroy a major industrial area if you can
objectives are listed in the menu


Also a new wrinkle all airbases are now destroyable and damageable so even if not destroyed you might not be able to take off safely.

please sign up the european time is GMT 2000 and it is on Saturday the 28th for everyone except the Aussies and Kiwis 3 pm eastern time America

so figure your respective time zones and lets have a war <S> Fatal

BOO
Oct-23-2017, 05:03
Hello Fatal - providing a code in this thread might be useful for people to help them complete sign up.

The easier it the better. People cant always find a TWC member when they are on and may not think to PM you or Sp00k.

UTC is also a good standard to use (given GMT is a difficult concept for some of us!!) - As I see it, since the clocks in Europe are going BACK next sunday morning so, in this case its all good and it is GMT+0. However if you are in another part of the world and looked at what you assume is GMT by typing time in UK time or time in London (assuming incorrectly that GMT it is the current UK time which it currently isnt) you could work out the time to be an hour ahead not realising its about to change. As such you could see players turning up an hour early or an hour late (as happened the other week).

Cheers

BOO

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-23-2017, 06:55
The Time UTC will be Saturday 28 October at 1900hrs

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-23-2017, 07:04
Hey Spook, I'd love to join this event. To join your forums it says I need to ask a TWC member for a registration code. Can I get one of those?

Ill check with Fatal on this. I searched the Admin section of our board and cant see what the registration code requirement is or anyone waiting on one. Will get back to you asap.

JG4_Thorwald
Oct-23-2017, 07:27
The Time UTC will be Saturday 28 October at 1900hrs

Sry Sp00k, but are you sure?

Greenwich Mean Time is - with a tiny difference - Coordinated Universal Time
(I do not want to give the clever here)

So if the event takes place at 20:00 GMT, (as mentioned in previous posts) it is also 20:00 UTC. ;)

https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-GMT-and-UTC

JG4_Thorwald
Oct-23-2017, 07:53
Up to now, four Pilots from JG4 are in, but i think it will be probably more...

DUI
Goddee
Matthias
Thorwald

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-23-2017, 08:14
To answer your question, I am notoriously bad with international times which all of my squaddies will attest to. For that matter, any time that isnt on my watch to be precise. I used this link to check the time in UTC

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20171023T100000&p1=240

Regarding accessing the TWC Forum, there is a section pn the TWC page at twcclan.com where you will the section titled, "Cliffs of Dover non TWC" There is a sign up thread in here for "Forged in Iron". Access should be unrestricted, no codes required or password logins to the page.

Ok, I stand corrected if the below is correct. Good news is I get another hour in bed! W00T!

http://i65.tinypic.com/dxgxue.jpg

TWC_Iron_Horse
Oct-23-2017, 10:29
I'm in on this one Sp00k :salute:

Regards
Iron_Horse

9./JG52 gr00ve
Oct-23-2017, 12:03
9./JG52 will be there. :salute:

9./JG52_Meyer
Oct-23-2017, 12:18
9./JG52 will be there. :salute:

Natürlich! :hpyflying:

Hals und beinbruch

DRock
Oct-23-2017, 15:43
Here is an easy to use time converter.

http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/

Enter 20:00, UTC on the left side, your local time will appear on right side.

ATAG_Flare
Oct-23-2017, 19:57
Flare will be there - flying on the red side!

DRock
Oct-23-2017, 20:44
Good to be flying with you again, Bud.

Hopefully, we can get ATAG out here in mass.


Please spread the word, Flare.:devilish:

Cassius
Oct-24-2017, 04:39
I hope we will take part in Event and increase blue bombers number.
I'll translate and post at the our thread.
Need to check our local time.
S!

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-24-2017, 05:49
Excellent Cassius, much appreciated.

Hopefully, this will be a very exciting event for the bomber squadrons. Fighters will be forced to adopt protective shields enveloping the bombers while balancing the need to engage enemy bomber groups intent on destroying enemy assets.

Each side will require strategies to move the map, including good communication and teamwork.
The event should hopefully encourage a good deal of fun for both sides.

Good bomber numbers should ensure maximum fun as this server caters to the bomber inclined. Look forward to seeing as many bombers on both sides as we can muster.

Each decision will have conseqences. Good planning, leadership and a modicum of good luck will go a long way.

S!

7./JG26_SMOKEJUMPER
Oct-24-2017, 13:20
A fighter please red or blue whichever side needs pilots on the day. I can't wait for next weekend. Not been able to fly as much as I like. TWC/ATAG fun on Saturday ACG campaign Sunday. Might have to crack a beer.

BOO
Oct-24-2017, 15:25
A fighter please red or blue whichever side needs pilots on the day. I can't wait for next weekend. Not been able to fly as much as I like. TWC/ATAG fun on Saturday ACG campaign Sunday. Might have to crack a beer.

I think you need to go and register and sign up on the TWC website Smoke.

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-24-2017, 15:39
T;ok, we will take names from here also and add them to the spreadsheet

JG4_Thorwald
Oct-25-2017, 03:48
T;ok, we will take names from here also and add them to the spreadsheet

Hey Spook, JG4 has so far 9 pilots who want to participate.

DUI
Matthias
Goddee
Thorwald
Kruger
Qetzalcoatl
Karaya
Hanseat
StormNF

Fighters and bombers

BOO
Oct-25-2017, 04:00
Chaps you really need to get the start time sorted out clearly

2000UTC on Saturday will be one hour BEHIND the actual local time for most European players (GMT plus 1 not GMT plus 0) due to the summertime light saving. This changes on 29th October and only then is UTC equal to GMT plus 0.

This will equate to 9PM local time in the UK and i think 10PM local time in Europe - I'm not sure about Russia.

TWC_Fatal_Error
Oct-25-2017, 10:34
Gentlemen I have seen some problems signing up for the event so if you dont mind go to http://twcclan.com/forged-in-iron-sign-up-sheet/ this should make it simple . Just enter your steam name <S> Fatal

Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders
Oct-25-2017, 18:02
To clear a bit the situation about the timing of the event: For European players that are under the CEST timezone the event will take place on:

SATURDAY 28 OCTOBER 2017 AT 22:00 CEST!

( So, of consequence, 21:00 BST for British players )

9./JG52 Hackl
Oct-26-2017, 00:03
Signed up for Saturday via given link. C U there.

TWC_Fatal_Error
Oct-26-2017, 06:57
Sign up sheet now contains names of those signed up for the event still slots available and ATAG has graciously let us have an event Slot on the teamspeak server. So a briefing will be held for questions from all sides in the briefing room for Forged in Iron.

If you Die in the Tactical server there is a time restriction before you can get back in a plane and fly but you can join a bomber as a gunner drive a tank on the battlefield or man an antiaircraft gun all valuable in the entire scheme of things. Or you could go out and let another pilot take your spot that didn't make the initial 72 cut. All of this can be discussed in the briefing room prior to the event.So the signup can be found at http://twcclan.com/forged-in-iron-sign-up-sheet/ have fun you guys <S>Fatal

MightyBouff
Oct-26-2017, 07:12
Are there any reserve slots? I'm not sure I'll be able to make it so wouldn't want to take a slot and then not use it.

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-26-2017, 07:32
Unfortunately no regarding reserve slots. There are 72 slots in the server for the event. If a player drops out, then another pilot can join ONLY if their name is on the server list on the link below. Throw your name on the list in the link to assure placement in the server whether you get in at the start or as another player drops out.

Note to all: New link to signup page in 1st page of this thread.

http://twcclan.com/forged-in-iron-sign-up-sheet/

Link top right of page.

You must sign in with your Steam name as it shows in game!

9./JG52 Hackl
Oct-26-2017, 10:02
Just curious. This event is 100% human right? Or will there also be AI to content with?

DRock
Oct-26-2017, 10:25
Just curious. This event is 100% human right? Or will there also be AI to content with?

No AI bombers, but there will be a few AI fighters out and about to deal with.

Cassius
Oct-26-2017, 12:58
Please sign in from our rus Community

II./JG51Wick
II./JG51Krafft
II./JG51Walther

1./St.G.129_Zerg_rcm
1./St.G.129_Sandy1942
1./St.G.129_Cassius Calhoun
1./St.G.129_Koksa
1./St.G.129_Elseff

BOO
Oct-26-2017, 13:08
signed up - shove me wherever you want on the night - red or blue - fighter or bomber --not bothered.


The only caveat is that I want to be there when sp00k,,,,er,,,,,"lands",,,,,,worth the price of admission every time :-)

DRock
Oct-26-2017, 13:31
signed up - shove me wherever you want on the night - red or blue - fighter or bomber --not bothered.


The only caveat is that I want to be there when sp00k,,,,er,,,,,"lands",,,,,,worth the price of admission every time :-)

How about Blenheim, Boo?

We can watch Spook land together.lol



No pressure, Spook.;)

BOO
Oct-26-2017, 13:42
How about Blenheim, Boo?

We can watch Spook land together.lol



No pressure, Spook.;)

Wherever you chaps need bums on seats happy all ways

ATAG_Ribbs
Oct-26-2017, 14:28
Sign me in!! WOOT woot!

9./JG52 Kettarian_Fox
Oct-26-2017, 14:58
Tried to sign up but my current nickname did not appear on the list(

BOO
Oct-26-2017, 15:22
Sorry - please free up my place

My better half has just announced that we are going to East Kirby to watch the Lancaster and fireworks on Saturday Evening.

Sorry

DRock
Oct-26-2017, 15:30
Sorry - please free up my place

My better half has just announced that we are going to East Kirby to watch the Lancaster and fireworks on Saturday Evening.

Sorry

I'll talk to her, Mate.

She obviously doesn't know how important this is.:salute:

Maru
Oct-26-2017, 16:01
Hello guys, Im confused, will it be 29th? or 28th? since you said gmt+0 (UK time?)

I will be there : )

ATAG_Paranoid_Glitch
Oct-26-2017, 16:18
S! TWC

all the best wishes for this event

PG

7./JG26_SMOKEJUMPER
Oct-26-2017, 19:37
signed
Look forward to it

DRock
Oct-26-2017, 20:20
Hello guys, Im confused, will it be 29th? or 28th? since you said gmt+0 (UK time?)

I will be there : )

Saturday, October 28, 20:00 UTC

TWC Tactical server

Comms: ATAG TS>Squads>FORGED IN IRON (briefing room)

Maru
Oct-27-2017, 03:25
Thank you DRock,

I would like to participate.

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-27-2017, 03:54
Maru, you need to go to twcclan.com and sign up on the link, top right of page with your ingame steam name. Names are registered with the TWC server to allow access during the event.

Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders
Oct-27-2017, 07:43
So far we have 3 confirmed pilots that will participate to it ( Registration to the event procedure already followed )!

Stab I./JG 51 - Mölders
Stab I./JG 51 - Gallowitsch
Stab I./JG 51 - Priller

Salute!

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-27-2017, 08:23
I4n regard to names not showing on that list (30 only until a few minutes ago. All names were recorded but they intially go to another list unseen by the person entering their name. They are then required to be eentered manually by one of the two people with access to that server side list (the one unseen). The full list of names has just been uploaded to the public site so all can see who is entered.

There are about 60 names on the list. Redhawk will pvt message you re your nine pilots.

Must be your ingame steam name everyone. Many pilots doubled up their entries as they likely did not see their name appear when they initially entered (went to the unseen list for updating). We have taken out the doubled up entries to the best of our knowledge. Squadron commanders etc, please recheck that list.

Thanks.

ATAG_Pattle
Oct-28-2017, 03:17
Hey Spook, where do you need number and I will fly there.

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-28-2017, 03:49
Sides appear fairly even in terms of numbers Pat. Player choice at this point.

DRock
Oct-28-2017, 13:00
Thanks for all your hard work on this, Spook.

Looks like it's gonna be fun.:thumbsup:

ATAG_Septic
Oct-28-2017, 14:27
I signed up via the link above as I wanted to support this effort but didn't make the list. I'm very rusty though and wasn't very confident so it's all good.

Hope it goes well chaps, have fun! :thumbsup:

Septic.

TWC_Flug
Oct-28-2017, 15:50
A few last-minute tips for using the Forged In Iron Server today:

1. Tab-4-1 and Tab-4-2 for radar.

2. Tab-4-5 to check the mission objectives for your side (including grid location, like AB01.3 and which objectives have been destroyed & not yet destroyed)

3. Also check current briefing (in-game map & right click to view briefing) for recent in-game developments & new targets

4. Tab-7-1 radar is bugged, don't bother trying to use it

5. Basically anything you see that looks like a target IS a target, particularly for bombers. So, enemy trains, boats, vehicles, airfields, industrial areas. For example if you are aiming for your mission objective in an industrial area and miss, you will probably still get several points for your team because every building etc in the nearby industrial area is a live target.

[B]6. But, don't bomb civilian areas! Negative points for yourself and your team.

7. Bombs on airports leave crater which will disturb or even stop airfield operations if you drop enough of them. If you drop enough bombs near the center of the airfield you can destroy it entirely.

IF YOU SEE BOMB CRATERS ON YOUR AIRPORT, AVOID THEM. If you hit them, your plane will blow up.

DUI
Oct-28-2017, 17:30
Even though the server did not manage to host that many motivated pilots this evening, thank you very much for your effort TWC! :salute:

It got too late for us today but already count us in for your next event flight.

9./JG52_Meyer
Oct-28-2017, 18:20
Salute all , thanks for hosting TWC pity it didnt go as planned . 9./JG52 will be available for the next one as always
Keep at it lads it will sort it self out . We thank you for your time and effort in getting this started.

Hals und beinbruch

ATAG_Vampire
Oct-28-2017, 18:30
Thanks to Fatal, Flug and the TWC boys for hosting this event.

Although things didn't go according to plan it was great fun and I had the pleasure of flying with RedHawk and the 69th in Blenheims, thanks guys.

Always like to participate and this evening hopefully helped iron out some 'wrinkles' ready for the next one. :thumbsup:

o7 :salute:

PS* Nearly forgot DRock, sorry. Thanks mate!

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-28-2017, 18:50
Well, you know what they say about plans when the 1st shots fired. Today was the Tactical Servers baptism of fire and while things didnt pan out the way we wanted, it was wonderful to see the support from everyone for the event and the efforts and tolerance everyone had during our "hiccups". It was heartening to see not only the numbers of persons supporting the effort but also the squadron turn outs both Allied and Axis that came in eager to make it succeed.

As most know, a lot of work went into the event by a lot of people. Not only the tangible efforts but also intangible, such as the support of the ATAG boys who helped us promote the event, offered their support and use of their forum and provided helpful advice based on their own large event experiences in the past. All of it was very much appreciated by the TWC.

Special thanks also to Drock. He was the catalyst to give us the kick in the goolies to attempt Forged in Iron and assisted on many fronts taking the load off myself, Fatal and Flug in many areas. The event wouldnt have been attempted without him. To both Fatal and Flug who have spent hundreds of hours coding and doing all that stuff that makes my eyes glaze over, your efforts were tremendous. Again thanks to all of the participants, in Squadrons or otherwise who came out in unexpected numbers to give this thing a chance and breath oxygen into its existance.

If anything, we learnt some hard won lessons from the experience in terms of the server load. Despite our putting a limit at 72 in the server for the event, Drock observed we had 80 pilots in there at one stage. We learned we cannot handle the human load along with the ongoing ground war below and 3500 static ground targets in a human event. Handles alright with AI but obviously, the human element played a completely different factor.

We will conduct another Forged in Iron later on, with non essential ground targets removed and stop the ground war , trains and other non essential odds and ends which otherwise would have been great from running. We are confident the next event will succeed as originally intended.

Again our thanks. Stick with us, we want to put back into the community with this event and are determined to get it right.

Cheers.

69th_Zeb
Oct-28-2017, 19:25
I hope you don't mind (bracing for cover), I jumped into 69th_Pug's slot since he wasn't able to make it, and I had no idea if there were slots open on the website 4 hours before launch, as it showed slots open still.

It did help quite a bit for us to organize spawns so we weren't hammering the server, so Red/Blue leads can sort stuff as we come in.

I think once the bugs get ironed out it'll be a blast. We'll bring some enthusiasm for the next one. Thanks for all the effort!

TWC_Fatal_Error
Oct-28-2017, 20:17
Well my enthusiasm for an all out war was there but but my coding effort lacks the knowledge base that make that possible I will not quit though. Our Server I am confident can handle the numbers as long as I don't go overboard on the making everything a target including Mrs. Lewis's cat. It will remain up so anyone wanting to give it a go as all targets are back live and so is the AI until Flug and I can write one better. Thank you all for this Test and your patience is much appreciated.<S> Fatal

TWC_Flug
Oct-28-2017, 20:26
Thanks to everyone who joined the server. Congrats to Red for a hard-fought victory!

Note that you can see how team stats developed over the course of the mission(s) here:

Tactical Server Team Stats Summary for Oct 28th (http://brenthugh.com/twc/training-server-stats-team-2017-10-28.htm)

The session that was working up to such a promising pitch before the server crashed ended up this way:


FINAL TEAM TOTALS for mission ending at Sat, 28 Oct 2017 21:21:58 GMT
BLUE session totals: 15.7 total Kill Points; 11.7/4.0/0.0/0.0 Air/AA/Naval/Ground Kill Points
2 bombs dropped, 100.0% hit targets, 1,000 kg on targets
RED session totals: 0.0 total Kill Points; 0.0/0.0/0.0/0.0 Air/AA/Naval/Ground Kill Points
4 bombs dropped, 0.0% hit targets, 0 kg on targets

After the re-start after that glitch, Red's final victory turned out like this:


FINAL TEAM TOTALS for mission ending at Sat, 28 Oct 2017 23:12:36 GMT
BLUE session totals: 83.4 total Kill Points; 18.4/0.0/0.0/64.9 Air/AA/Naval/Ground Kill Points
64 bombs dropped, 96.9% hit targets, 4,526 kg on targets
RED session totals: 67.7 total Kill Points; 8.1/1.0/0.0/58.6 Air/AA/Naval/Ground Kill Points
79 bombs dropped, 97.5% hit targets, 8,030 kg on targets

General Tactical Server stats, & info here. (http://brenthugh.com/twc/training-server-stats.htm)

ATAG_Flare
Oct-28-2017, 22:31
Thanks TWC for hosting the event!

Sadly I had to go after the server crashed but I'm glad at least some sort of a run happened.

I'll be there for sure on the next one.

9./JG52 gr00ve
Oct-29-2017, 11:31
its nice to have someone doing these kind of events, and we will support it cause it offers more organized and tactical play. BUT...

Its Battle of France. The date is wrong...january 1940 was months away from BOF.
Aircraft types are wrong. In may 1940 when blitz started, there were only 6 hurricane squadrons stationed in France. Sure spitfire made his debut over France, but not in numbers you presented during event.
It was sad to see no Hurricanes and all flying Spitfire 1a 100 oct for supposedly Battle of France event.

I think these events should be something special. Something you can't experience on ATAG server. Big bomber formations, big squadron dogfights, wild melee, where tactic wins over individual skill.
These events should be as close to historical we can get, recreation of campaigns we can safely fly from our chairs. Of course, we don't have all planes that flew BOF, but we can work with planes we have to be historical to some extent.

Im all up for E1 vs Hurri action with some odd spit1a and e3 (limited and rare). That should be closer to BOF campaign, and give us a lot of fun.

S!

DRock
Oct-29-2017, 12:17
its nice to have someone doing these kind of events, and we will support it cause it offers more organized and tactical play. BUT...

Its Battle of France. The date is wrong...january 1940 was months away from BOF.
Aircraft types are wrong. In may 1940 when blitz started, there were only 6 hurricane squadrons stationed in France. Sure spitfire made his debut over France, but not in numbers you presented during event.
It was sad to see no Hurricanes and all flying Spitfire 1a 100 oct for supposedly Battle of France event.

I think these events should be something special. Something you can't experience on ATAG server. Big bomber formations, big squadron dogfights, wild melee, where tactic wins over individual skill.
These events should be as close to historical we can get, recreation of campaigns we can safely fly from our chairs. Of course, we don't have all planes that flew BOF, but we can work with planes we have to be historical to some extent.

Im all up for E1 vs Hurri action with some odd spit1a and e3 (limited and rare). That should be closer to BOF campaign, and give us a lot of fun.

S!

Thanks for your support, Groove. You have been a part of all these big events, despite the fact that they don't always run smooth.

I think if we limit the battle to one specific area of the map we would be missing out. The map is huge, and most battles utilize a very small portion of it. I don't even think I've seen North of London yet. There are so many factors that would make these missions non-historic. The arguments over accuracy could go on for days, and opinion would come into play, as well. There is a balance between historic and fun.

Limiting the aircraft selection would also limit the fun. Besides, it's not the plane, it's the pilot that will kill you.

Also, these big wing events do happen on ATAG's server. Human flown bomber formations can often be found on their server. I know, because I've led many. So does 69th, JG4, TWC, 71st,...I could go on.

For me, these events are about the fun. Creating scenarios that will generate good memories and action. At the end of the day, that's what people remember.


Again, thank you TWC for hosting this event. Big thanks to ATAG. Without you guys, none of this is possible.


~S~

ATAG_kiwiflieger
Oct-29-2017, 14:20
Besides, it's not the plane, it's the pilot that will kill you.

I can agree with that - I decided to fly a low Bf110 jabo mission to Le Touquet, bombed some fuel tanks, and saw a few low contacts off the coast as I was egressing. Sure enough, they were Blenheims, and I called out their position to everyone else before I managed to rip most of my wing off on one as I flew past :-)

Thanks TWC and everyone who helped organise the event, even if it didn't go as planned. Will be looking forward to the next one!

ATAG_Knight
Oct-29-2017, 15:52
Just wanted to say a big thank you to TWC for putting on FII . Also DRock for his sterling efforts before hand and on the night .

I'm sure once the gremlins have been banished it will be a great event and I would like to participate again . Thanks guys :salute:

No.401_Wolverine
Oct-30-2017, 10:32
If the OnBuildingDestroyed code can be repaired/modified such that it functions correctly in Multiplayer as it does in Singleplayer, this type of event will be more feasible.

In singleplayer, this code will return the name of any object destroyed on the map itself, no static object required. In this way, you could write some code up to track destroyed objects and their relative locations (the function can return X,Y positions) without having to introduce the overhead of the tens of thousands of static objects you'd need to place in order to return the information in the current multiplayer environment. You simply make note of the name of the object you want to track and watch for it when the code fires. Want to task players with destroying post offices across England and France? Just add that one to the list and track it. You can track telephone polls if you want to, or phone booths, or railway stations. Basically anything on the map without a single static object needed.

In multiplayer, currently this code WILL function, but only for the HOST of the mission. In the case of a player hosting locally, that player will trigger the code and return the results effectively without issue, but anyone else connected to the mission will not. They will see their targets destroyed, etc. but the OnBuildingDestroyed code does not fire. In a dedicated server environment, the code does not function for any player because the host is essentially the dedicated server and any connecting player is outside of the hosting role.

Now perhaps there's a reason this code doesn't function in multiplayer properly. Maybe it has to do with the amount of information synchronization needed or some other issue. Not sure. Sure would be nice to know if this is something that could be fixed though as it has the potential to MASSIVELY change mission design and campaign possibilities using the Channel map.

9./JG52 Sturm
Oct-30-2017, 12:30
Limiting the aircraft selection would also limit the fun. Besides, it's not the plane, it's the pilot that will kill you.


I'd tend to agree with Groove in that France would likely have been mostly E1s with some E3s vs mostly Hurris with some Spit 1s. I wouldn't say it'd limit the fun, as it's only a select few aircraft omitted. RAF can still fly Hurris and Spits and the LW fly 109s. That way it'll be different when it comes to the intended BoB part of the campaign e.g. adding in E4s vs 1a 100s.
Or just add some E4s to France for parity as Spit 1a 100 > flying brick > E3

Regardless of this debate, it was a very enjoyable experience and I hope to be involved in coming events :thumbsup:

ATAG_Flare
Oct-30-2017, 20:32
I don't think limiting the aircraft would limit the fun.

It would be great to have a Hurris and E1/E3 event. We see so many Spit Ias and E4s with Mineshells in multiplayer already. It's a nice change to fly the less powerful planes, and more fun too!

ATAG_kiwiflieger
Oct-30-2017, 22:43
Just remember that Bf110s have Minengeschoss as well... :)

SIA_Sp00k
Oct-31-2017, 01:23
I`ll speak to Fatal re the Spits and 109`S re the next event. Shouldn't be too big an issue.

BOO
Oct-31-2017, 07:30
Having the Spit 1 and E1s and 3s would really make pilots think about their tactics and moves.

Taking the Rotol stabiliser wheels off the Spits isn't as drastic a measure as some imagine once you know how it all works. It certainly reduces the no thought turn and burn tactics when you have to wrestle a manual prop.

Some E4s and Spit 1a and Hurri Rotols though because not everyone is Gr00ve and the pressure of a big event, no matter what anyone says about fun, is there.

Events shouldn't be too elitist. Even SOW had the E4 and 1a/Rotal concessions.

Id be disappointed to see experienced players snaffling them at the expense of newer or less experienced players though......

DerDa
Oct-31-2017, 09:13
As far as I know, Rotol 100 octane Hurricanes were available from May 1940 so I don't see any reason not to include them in a Battle of France scenario.
I love the Hurri, but even with the best version it is hard enough to survive against any kind of properly flown 109.

In the end I don't think it is possible to find a compromise between an historical accurate or a balanced scenario. This is something the host of the event has to decide:
1) Either a big event with all aircraft, lots of fun and many players, accepting that it is not historrcally correct and most pilots will go for the hot rods,
2) or a historically correct scenario, which always will be unbalanced (as reality was), accepting much smaller numbers of players and a predictable outcome.

Personally I think both kinds of events could be interesting, but I think it's understandable if the organisers go for the first option.
(In the case of a historical Battle of France event it may be difficult to find more than a handful of pilots flying red.)

TWC_Fatal_Error
Oct-31-2017, 19:27
Our intention was not to have an accurate battle of France it was a test of our server more than anything and it was a good test we know our shortcomings now and are in the process of rectifying them. Again thank you all for helping us in this test. We will have another shot at it soon and hopefully we will get some help in the mission builder system that will make our efforts show up better.As wolverine has said many times it all works in one part it just needs to work in the MP part. till then we will try and program around what we have to work with <S>Fatal

Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders
Nov-01-2017, 18:01
My two cents about the aircraft set issue:

If feasible, should be really great having a production system ( for both sides ) similar to the SoW one and a clear division between units participating to the campaign constantly and casual players so to have players not wasting aircraft without any care about them.
Taking in consideration the whole period of the BoB the Spitfires ( like E-4/N variants for example ) were less in numbers in respect to Hurricanes ( and the same for some German late variants in respect to early Bf 109 variants ).
In my opinion having a server that offers the chance to the player of thinking well before wasting aircraft in a " reckless " way and that offers a well planned but limited " offer " of flyable aircraft numbers is what really makes the difference from everything actually available around...and here, to avoid possible misunderstandings, I'm not saying that other servers are not good...I simply mean that I like more servers where the emphasis is put on the " historical correctness " about flyable aircraft available.
In SoW it was so and both online unit participating to the campaigns constantly and casual players have had lot of hours of fun everyone flying in the ways they liked more...so having a system that keeps an eye on the " historical correctness " ( while at the same time do not exasperate it too much ) permits to both kind of pilots ( pilots belonging to an online unit or casual players ) of having a lot of fun satisfying their style of playing and needs...said in brief this means that, speaking of aircraft available to be flown in a server mission, the way to balance the aircraft variants available there is.
About this I think that the main problem, in my opinion, is that the SoW Admins do not seems to have a lot of " good intentions " about share with other server builders the code they developed about their campaigns ( Personally said this is pretty appalling in an online community that should be united... but as said is only a my very personal point of view )..unfortunately the " stubbornness " ( to use a gentle word ) of " some " seems to ruins the fun and willing to build new server experiences of many...and few words to the wise...