ATAG ASSAULT No.4

[DRock]

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HURRICANE ATAG

Saturday, October 19, 2100 GMT on ATAG


ATAG Members will be launching an assault on our main server, along with many other squadrons. Our fourth mission will be carried out by the RAF. All aircraft will be available, but our focus will be the Hurricane bombers.


Anyone are welcome to join, either with us or against us. The map will be chosen and rotated right before mission begins.


No sign ups needed. No passwords.

Unfortunately, skins will be disabled until we figure out the issues we had that crashed the server.



Good luck, and have fun.:thumbsup:

[ATAG_Vampire]

I shall be there with my 'Hurribus' and 40 pounders. :thumbsup:

07 :salute:

[ATAG_Noofy]

Me in :thumbsup:
Let’s see how this british version of the G50 compares...

[ATAG_Ribbs]

I'll be there! droppn Bombs!

[ATAG_Pattle]

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I am sure you will find a mission for the IIc in the future DRock :thumbsup:

Hispano Love!

Pattle :salute:

[DerDa]

Oh dear, that's late at night!
But I think I just can't miss a HurriBomber event! :-)

[Melonfish]

I didn't even realise hurribombers were in game?! what's the armament options? this is exciting!

[DRock]

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I am sure you will find a mission for the IIc in the future DRock :thumbsup:

Hispano Love!

Pattle :salute:

Our G50s will be in big trouble.:recon:

[Woop]

ACG will be there! :salute:

[No.119_Bruv]

will the server be able to handle 100 plus?

@melonfish the hurri FB can take a whopping 8x40lbs that all get released in one drop.

Can I just clarify that we will be starting at 10pm local UK time?

[DRock]

will the server be able to handle 100 plus?

@melonfish the hurri FB can take a whopping 8x40lbs that all get released in one drop.

Can I just clarify that we will be starting at 10pm local UK time?

9pm GMT

[Dazza]

Hoorah for the Hurri-bomber. I'm in.

Daz

[Dostal]

death as certainty and low prospect of success? I‘m in!
Cheers, Dostal

[ATAG_Snarglepuss]

It has bombs.
....:recon:and it's almost as fast as my beloved Bloated Blennie:recon:....
............The Puss is in.........

[No.119_Bruv]

9pm GMT

which is 10pm BST (local time) we don't go back to GMT until last sunday of October thanks for clearing that up. :D

[DRock]

which is 10pm BST (local time) we don't go back to GMT until last sunday of October thanks for clearing that up. :D

Ok, thanks for clarification.

For me it’s 5pm ET.

[ATAG_Scones]

Hurricane with bombs - I'm in! :thumbsup:

[ATAG_Pattle]

Hey Woop,

Having ACG join the ATAG event is in my opinion is massive for our community as a whole.

As one of the few people who have the privilege to see the development of 5.0 and fly around that ever evolving world, it it hard to describe just how good every single aspect of the development is.

From the images being released, I hope the community can see that 5.0 is going to be a very special combat flight simulation.

It has been a real pleasure working alongside yourself of late.

I hope we can replicate our involvement in the ACG's campaign coming up.

To me, the community always comes first, and this is a massive positive step for it.

Cheers,

Pattle :salute:

[ATAG_yotheguy]

Hey Woop,

Having ACG join the ATAG event is in my opinion is massive for our community as a whole.

As one of the few people who have the privilege to see the development of 5.0 and fly around that ever elvolving world, it it hard to describe just how good every single aspect of the development is.

From the images being released, I hope the community can see that 5.0 is going to be a very special combat flight simulation.

It has been a real pleasure working alongside yourself of late.

I hope we can replicate our involvement in the ACG's campaign coming up.

To me, the community always comes first, and this is a massive positive step for it.

Cheers,

Pattle :salute:

There isn't enough thumbs up gif's on the internet to express how rad this is. :thumbsup::ilike::alcohol:

https://i.imgur.com/6Fa1pDK.gif

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https://i.imgur.com/L3QAuju.gif

[DUI]

We might need a 200 player server. :thumbsup:

[Biggs]

Hey Woop,

Having ACG join the ATAG event is in my opinion is massive for our community as a whole.

As one of the few people who have the privilege to see the development of 5.0 and fly around that ever evolving world, it it hard to describe just how good every single aspect of the development is.

From the images being released, I hope the community can see that 5.0 is going to be a very special combat flight simulation.

It has been a real pleasure working alongside yourself of late.

I hope we can replicate our involvement in the ACG's campaign coming up.

To me, the community always comes first, and this is a massive positive step for it.

Cheers,

Pattle :salute:


Well said Pattle. This would serve as a very nice training session for ACG's upcoming 'Leaning Forwards' campaign. Hopefully we can gather a sizeable number of us on Saturday :thumbsup:

[ATAG_TCP]

Not sure if I mentioned, I will try to make it for this one chaps.
Being down and out on our events has got me going a little again ;)

[RCAF Rob]

Great, another one I'm away for. DRock how did you know I'd be in Ottawa and not at home for this event???

[DRock]

Great, another one I'm away for. DRock how did you know I'd be in Ottawa and not at home for this event???

Sorry, Rob.

These events will become more frequent, especially once 5.0 is released.

Hope to see you at the next one, Sir.

:salute:

[Woop]

Pattle,

likewise it has been a real pleasure to talk with you. You are a pure class gent, and we wholeheartedly appreciate how you go out of your way to keep us updated with TF's doings. We are also grateful to TF for doing the hardest job out there and still churning out quality content. We can't wait to go to Africa.

I hope this event marks the start of a good relationship between our groups and a milestone for cooperation in our small CloD community.

Thanks to ATAG and DRock for planning this event, let's have some Hurribus fun shall we?

Best,
W :salute:

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

looking forward to this raid, they have all been great fun so far, last raid the action over french point was spectacular, the best laid plans reduced to chaos by the vagaries of battle. well done Drock and ATAG for organizing

[Barone]

hi,
unfortunately Saturdays are no-go for me. Do you guys think that will ever be the possibility to see some events on Sundays?
cheers

[ATAG_Noofy]

hi,
unfortunately Saturdays are no-go for me. Do you guys think that will ever be the possibility to see some events on Sundays?
cheers

The difficulty is to cope with the different timezones.
Saturday evening in Europe is already Sunday morning in Australia, but it is still Saturday morning in the Americas...

[DRock]

hi,
unfortunately Saturdays are no-go for me. Do you guys think that will ever be the possibility to see some events on Sundays?
cheers

ACG has fired up their Campaign on Sundays, as well.

We don’t want to interfere with that.


If our Assaults become more populated, they will become more frequent. Then we may shift time zones.

[Barone]

ACG has fired up their Campaign on Sundays, as well.

We don’t want to interfere with that.


If our Assaults become more populated, they will become more frequent. Then we may shift time zones.

I see both of your point. Unfortunately ACG campaign requires regularity that I can't afford. Events since are one at a the time are more likely.

tks anyway for explanation.

[DRock]

2 hours until launch.:salute:

[ATAG_Vampire]

Well, that was great fun.

Thank you DRock for setting it up again.

Thanks to all those that took part and yet again confirming what an awesome community we have. Really nice to see some of the ACG boys with us.

I spent so much time in my chute and practicing my backstroke that I didn't know whether I was on my a**e or my elbow!!!! Haha!

Looking forward to the next one. :thumbsup:

07 :salute:

[DUI]

Great fun, thanks a lot to everyone participating! Waiting very much for pictures and videos! :salute:

Would be great if ATAG server admins send TFS the log files. Maybe something to learn from the two server crashes.

[ATAG_TCP]

That was one of the best events yet! Love large scale British flying :)

Unfortunately no microphone today, but listening in was epic xD
The usual takeoff chaos initially with at least three casualties, the notorious formation flying (getting taken out just over the coast did make me a jump a little) and of course some great teamwork trying to bring down those ruddy Germans!

Plus it was jolly fun getting the chance to barrel-buzz Canterbury cathedral with a good ol formation :D

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Top work as always organisers! Keep 'em commin' :salute:

[Pans]

Great fun, thanks a lot to everyone participating! Waiting very much for pictures and videos! :salute:

I second this. Thanks to everyone that took part. That big swarm that flew Wilmington to French Point was quite a spectacle to behold!

[ATAG_yotheguy]

Yeah that was a blast!

If you took a track recording and don't mind sharing, could you please send them to me so I can (maybe) use them in a video?

Thanks everyone!!

did some one say next one Nov 16th? :getaway:
https://i.imgur.com/l5Uww1d.gif

[ATAG_Ezzie]

Good fun. Thanks DRock and all that paticipated.

Ezzie

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

Got a blast and a lot of fun flying in conjuction with ATAG_Ezzie with the Bf 110s! :thumbsup: :salute:

[ATAG_Ezzie]

Got a blast and a lot of fun flying in conjuction with ATAG_Ezzie with the Bf 110s! :thumbsup: :salute:

Likewise good flying with you Molders - was a target rich environment and i managed to dust some cobwebs off my -110's guns which was good.

[DRock]

Thank you everyone for participating.:thumbsup:

It was a hard fight, and our Hurricanes suffered devastating losses.


Bravo to the Axis for their tenacious defense today.

Fortunately, we had enough bombers until the end of the map to help finish off Caffiers just in time, securing the map win for the Allies. (The battle of attrition definitely went the Axis, though.)


Next time the RAF will have to adopt new tactics, or increase our life insurance payouts. My Operation BlackJack plan was also cut in half by enemies, but it was fun to try new things out.



Win or lose, it was great fun.:)

ATAG ASSAULT No.5 is just around the corner, so, see you all soon.:salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

To Oskar for stabilizing the server, without which there wouldn't have been an event,

to DRock for being one awesome flight leader no matter what the aircraft is,

And to all the participants for making this a fun event,

Thank you!

:salute:

[Rostic]

Thanks to the all players who was a part of this great event!
Here is some screenshots:

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[Dostal]

Great Pictures Rostic!!!:thumbsup:

And thanks to all for a great event...

[ATAG_Pattle]

Was a brilliant event. Onya DRock for being chief organiser.

Was great to see so many different groups and squadrons take part and get stuck in. :thumbsup:

Pattle :salute:

[ATAG_Laser]

Thanks to the all players who was a part of this great event!
Here is some screenshots:

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Great screenshots Rostic... especially the first one :)

[DRock]

Thanks to the all players who was a part of this great event!
Here is some screenshots:



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This one is great.

Thanks for shots, Rostic.:thumbsup:

[ATAG_Laser]

Another epic event.

Thanks to Drock for organising and all who took part. Good to know that we did eventually turn the map. I was only able to take part in the first two sorties and we were being torn to pieces so badly I did wonder if any of us would manage to get through to bomb any of the targets.

First sortie I got pk'd by Groove, second time up I was the architect of my own downfall.

Flying at wavetop height over the channel we were attacked. I saw this fighter drop down in front of me in our formation... zoomed in to identify it (didn't want to shoot at a friendly)... it was a 109. Was about to fire when I hit the water...damn, I should've got him!!! :doh:

It was great to see so many Hurricanes in formation, and the flypast of Canterbury cathedral was a sight to behold... just like a Highseas tour :D

So... I never made it to any of the targets, but it was good fun nonetheless, and great to see over 100 players on the server... even though that in itself caused problems with the server crashes.

I did record the two sorties that I took part in and will hopefully be making a short video soon.

Hopefully I will be able to attend the next event, depending on my RL commitments and if the event involves planes that I can actually fly :salute:

[DerDa]

It was a massacre!
But we had so much fun! :-)

Thanks for organising!
All those Hurris flying in close formation on treetop level was an amazing sight.
And it was a real challenge not to collide with the others.
Maybe it would have been better tactics with FBs to split up into small groups and attack small targets independently. But this would have spoiled the 'formation fun'.

Thanks TCP and Rostic for the screenies. I just looked through them with my little daughter (who asked why I am so tired today) and her comment was:
'Oh this is so beautiful! It looks just like real!'


S!


DerDa

[ATAG_Scones]

Thanks to the all players who was a part of this great event!
Here is some screenshots:

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Lovely screenshots, Rostic! Thanks for sharing them.

:salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

That was one of the best events yet! Love large scale British flying :)

Unfortunately no microphone today, but listening in was epic xD
The usual takeoff chaos initially with at least three casualties, the notorious formation flying (getting taken out just over the coast did make me a jump a little) and of course some great teamwork trying to bring down those ruddy Germans!

Plus it was jolly fun getting the chance to barrel-buzz Canterbury cathedral with a good ol formation :D

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Top work as always organisers! Keep 'em commin' :salute:

Really nice, TCP. Thanks for sharing.

:salute:

[ATAG_Laser]

That was one of the best events yet! Love large scale British flying :)

Unfortunately no microphone today, but listening in was epic xD
The usual takeoff chaos initially with at least three casualties, the notorious formation flying (getting taken out just over the coast did make me a jump a little) and of course some great teamwork trying to bring down those ruddy Germans!

Plus it was jolly fun getting the chance to barrel-buzz Canterbury cathedral with a good ol formation :D

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Top work as always organisers! Keep 'em commin' :salute:

Great screenshots TCP :thumbsup:

[Karaya]

Thanks to the all players who was a part of this great event!
Here is some screenshots:

Those are some brilliant screenshots, thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:

[ATAG_TCP]

Cheers!
Top screenshots though Rostic! I am envious of your system :-P

By the way, how did you get all the fancy angles, was that via using the track recording editor?



Haha, good to hear Ms. DerDa's opinions!
I myself think it looks just like real :)
Hopefully Master DerDa can work off his sleepiness during the following week :D

[IIJG27Rich]

Darn it missed that one....Those screenshots are great:)

[ATAG_TCP]

Don't worry Rich, catch the next one, plenty more where that came from I reckon ;)

[IIJG27Rich]

I should pay more attention to the other things going on ...not just TFS updates :) :salute:

[Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders]

I should pay more attention to the other things going on ...not just TFS updates :) :salute:

I'm sure Göring will provide a good pull of ears to you after reading your comment! Verdammt Flieger! :):):)

[IIJG27Rich]

lol:salute:

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

thanks for organizing Drock keep up the good work, JU 87's next?

[No.119_Marshy (VK-M)]

Yes, thanks for organising the event D Rock.

A tricky evening for the 5 spitfires of the 119th and all red fighter escorts I assume. The escort duty with the Blenheims was going fine until they started to join the Hurris, which were already taking a big hit and significantly higher than the Blenheims. Climbing into any scrap with 109s is bad enough, but being heavily outnumbered really made things pretty impossible - you know what's about to happen when the contrails start to disappear!

By the way, no excuses on my part for the first mission, simply got bounced (I think by the guys of JG. 52?), whilst not paying full attention - lesson learned!

Nevertheless, for my first big mission, thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks again

Marshy

[ATAG_Noofy]

Yes, thanks for organising the event D Rock.

A tricky evening for the 5 spitfires of the 119th and all red fighter escorts I assume. The escort duty with the Blenheims was going fine until they started to join the Hurris, which were already taking a big hit and significantly higher than the Blenheims. Climbing into any scrap with 109s is bad enough, but being heavily outnumbered really made things pretty impossible - you know what's about to happen when the contrails start to disappear!

By the way, no excuses on my part for the first mission, simply got bounced (I think by the guys of JG. 52?), whilst not paying full attention - lesson learned!

Nevertheless, for my first big mission, thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks again

Marshy

I must confess that for once is was good to have you guys of the 119 on my six :D

[Karaya]

By the way, no excuses on my part for the first mission, simply got bounced (I think by the guys of JG. 52?), whilst not paying full attention - lesson learned!

Were you flying alone, course south-west, mid channel at around 12k ft? :recon:

[No.119_Marshy (VK-M)]

Were you flying alone, course south-west, mid channel at around 12k ft? :recon:

No first mission, got bounced just North of Hawkinge, flying no.3 in a group of 4. Got tangled up later on with a group of 3 or 4 mid channel, whilst No.119 Bruv was having a time of it with another bunch just to the North of me - could have been that? we had just climbed out of French point after chasing a 110 & 109 - possibly climbing out?

[Karaya]

Thank you Rostic for letting me use your screenshot as thumbnail :thumbsup:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDptdK6PK8

[ATAG_Noofy]

Ouch! That hurt :faceslap:
Many of us (including myself) were flying these hurries like bombers, forgetting that they were also fighters.
Lesson learned...

[DRock]

The idea was to create a massive conflict, not lead you all to your slaughter.

I’m very sorry about that. It’s not a good feeling.



The server crashed 2 times, as well. Hopefully, we can learn a lot from these events and improve every aspect of the experience. Thank you for sticking with us.

We may have to cap the number of pilots around 95 in the future. It would seem these events are popular, and a victim of its own success. Seeing all those familiar names flying with us is a great sight to see, though. I was hoping to see many more of the 69th, including the leadership of RedHawk, and I think they could have helped balance our skies. More invites needed there.



The RAF Assaults are going to have to ramp up the escorts, otherwise we will suffer the same fate. Karaya may just be one of the best fighter pilots in this sim, but the entire JG4 squadron are aerial assassins. That goes for Meyer and his JG52 comrades, as well.

For now, the Axis have air superiority over the RAF.

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

Low hurris and spits could not gain energy once discovered by Blue fighters, even if hurris jettisoned bombs, game over. might have been different if raid left english point at altitude. Im not sure flying at low level give much advantage when i only takes one blue plane to spot incoming raid and vector defence on to it,
looking at Karayas video it is almost as if they stumbled on hurri formation when chasing damaged spitty

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

As Drock mentioned earlier Red Defense badly needs a leader......

[ATAG_Noofy]

The idea was to create a massive conflict, not lead you all to your slaughter.

I’m very sorry about that. It’s not a good feeling.

No worries mate. It was lots of fun, and that was the largest low-level formation flight I have ever been in :thumbsup:

As much as this makes sense with multi-crew bombers that can concentrate rear gunners fire on attackers, I’m not sure this is the best tactic with fighter-bombers.

It might have been more efficient if we had split into five, six, or more smaller groups, each flying a different route, keeping altitude for energy. More difficult for the fighter escorts to protect us I concur, but also more difficult for the attackers to be on several fronts at the same time. Also primary targets for FBs should be precision targets as opposed to airfields which should be left to heavy bombers (same number of pilots can carry much more bombs).

Operation blackjack was also great fun. Flying through various rendez-vous points to rally the hurries plus using the heavy bombers as "eyes" for the larger hurrie formation for hight altitude level bombing was a brilliant idea. We almost made it through, and were probably given away by the TAB-7-1 radar. Maybe sending a decoy bomber with one escort ahead on a different route would have helped lock radar onto another target for a while? Never really understood how that works in the game. Any thoughts?

Anyway there is no reason whatsoever to feel bad or sorry about anything. The event was an absolute blast, and would never be the same thing without your enthusiasm and drive :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[IIJG27Rich]

That looked great coming up on all those Hurricanes :thumbsup: :salute:

[ATAG_yotheguy]

Don't beat yourself up DRock,

https://i.imgur.com/Hg50Fv5.gif

it was still fun flying with that many planes all in one place.

And like my boy Bob always says...

https://i.imgur.com/kgZG1bm.gif

[DerDa]

The idea was to create a massive conflict, not lead you all to your slaughter.

I’m very sorry about that. It’s not a good feeling.




Don't worry! We all had a great time and lots of fun!
And how could we learn about tactics without trying?


Now here my 2 cents about the situation. Please do not see this as a critique on the events (which I utterly love and will continue to participate in whatever happens) or in the way they are organised. Its just some thoughts and suggestions about how we could possibly make them even better.

I do agree, that for now Luftwaffe has the advantage over RAF.
In my opinion this has several reasons.

If you look at numbers:
during the last Blue event there were about 10 Heinkels, protected by about 30 or 40 fighters.
This time we were about 30 or 40 Hurribombers and only one or two handful of escorts.

If you look at organisation:
With JG4 and 9/JG 52 (and others) blue has well organised squadrons with considerable numbers of pilots. In comparison red squadrons are much smaller (and in the case of our FG 28 rather proud of their dis-organisation :-) )

If you look at tactics:
the last blue event had an elaborate route at high altitude, in order to conceal the target. There was well organised close escort, escort at altutude and spotters at advanced position. The Heinkels with their considerable defensive armament flew in close formation.
From the red side here was no attempt whatsoever to stage an organised defense. Just brave but desperate single attacks.
This time we just went directly from the one and only airport that had Hurribombers to the next target. The Hurris don't have any defensive armament at all, there one and only advantage is their ability tu turn. So when they are 'pushing on to target', instead of fighting they are nothing but sitting ducks.
The third attempt with high altitude bombing was a great idea. Unluckily it failed because blue defense was too well organised.

If you look at aircraft (and I know that some will disagree here, but anyway :D):
For attack:
With He 111 and Ju 88 Blue has much better bombers, fast, well armed and carrying huge loads of bombs.
Red has the Blennie ...
With Bf110 and Bf109 E-4B Blue has much better fighterbombers, carrying more or heavier bombs than a Blennie and in the case of the E-4B the fastest aircraft of all at low altitude. Both types also carry extremly effective cannons.
Red has the Hurri ... One of the slowest aircraft of all, carrying 8 little eastereggs and eight 303 pea shooters.

For defense:
With their cannons 109s and 110 can easily rip any bomber to pieces and still fight with escorts at least at equal terms.
With their 303s Spits and Hurris have a hard time to inflict any serious damage on a bomber. The Hurri is definetely outclassed by almost all Blue fighters. The Beaufighter has the armament to destroy bombers but is completely hopeless in a dogfight and not even able to check its own six.

The only way to deal with these disadvantages for Red would be to use very different tactics.
Fighter bombers for example should attack different soft targets in small groups on a variety of routes. Naturally this would spoil the fun of formation flying and I don't know any map that would offer such targets.
Defending Red should try to organise groups of Beaufighters protected by Spits, with the one and only task of the Spitties to protect the Beaus and not to attack the bombers. This will be difficult to do because of the lack of larger squadrons.

Again: thank you, thank you, thank you for organising these events and I'm already looking forward to the next one.


S!


DerDa

[ATAG_TCP]

Na DRock!
It was epic!

I think we could do with some more experiments with RAF flying. It is great being in a formation of British warbirds defending the homeland from the hun in the sun (namely Mölders and Karaya), we just haven't done much of it :)

No.4 was an epic event though, it went well, ya gotta learn how to engage from a bad position when ya gotta aswell, all great experiance, and still fun :-P

Nothing quite like having a 109 bust into your formation ahead of you to try and kill your mate and just being able to pull up your nose and give him his daily dose of lead :)

No offense huns :P





One thought,
Something that could add some extra dimension, and as we have an excessive(ly good) number of players which was displayed on sunday, how difficult would it be to set up weekend training days individually (different times etc) for RAF and Luftwaffe, to then get together at the end of the month for example for a head to head competition of some sorts?

What I mean is having an actual RAF vs Luftwaffe, a bit like two massive squadrons.

Is it too compettitive?

Is it not practical?

Just an idea, ideas are fun :-P

[Artist]

The idea was to create a massive conflict, not lead you all to your slaughter.

I’m very sorry about that. It’s not a good feeling.
Don't: I (flying red) had great fun!



The server crashed 2 times, as well.
Oskar has saved the server log file. We're looking into it.

[ATAG_Knight]

The idea was to create a massive conflict, not lead you all to your slaughter.

I’m very sorry about that. It’s not a good feeling.



The server crashed 2 times, as well. Hopefully, we can learn a lot from these events and improve every aspect of the experience. Thank you for sticking with us.

We may have to cap the number of pilots around 95 in the future. It would seem these events are popular, and a victim of its own success. Seeing all those familiar names flying with us is a great sight to see, though. I was hoping to see many more of the 69th, including the leadership of RedHawk, and I think they could have helped balance our skies. More invites needed there.



The RAF Assaults are going to have to ramp up the escorts, otherwise we will suffer the same fate. Karaya may just be one of the best fighter pilots in this sim, but the entire JG4 squadron are aerial assassins. That goes for Meyer and his JG52 comrades, as well.

For now, the Axis have air superiority over the RAF.

Hey DRock

If not for your input none of these events would ever take place . Same go's for the T/Moth meetings which again you play a big part in . It takes someone to do it . It's very good of you to give up your free time to organise these things .

From the howls of laughter I hear through my headphones:roflmao I would say that all taking part are enjoying it and very much appreciate your efforts . Good job mate and please keep it up . For me it was one of the best nights on the server.

Can we have some more please . :thumbsup:

[Karaya]

The idea was to create a massive conflict, not lead you all to your slaughter.

I’m very sorry about that. It’s not a good feeling.

No need to be sorry about anything DRock, I think everybody who participated will agree that it was fun nontheless. And that's exactly what we are here for, success is only an added bonus, the cherry on top so to say. :thumbsup:

Just remember the first BR.20 sortie during the last event. The bombers got torn to shreds before even a single bomber went feet wet. I don't recall anyone on blue team being demoralized by that, if anything it made us more determined for the 2 sorties that followed.

I agree that the ratio of escorts vs bombers this time around was way too low to provide any kind of meaningful protection. I was quite surprised to only spot like a handful of Spitfires in the entire formation. If need be I can get involved with the organization of the red fighters next time, just need to find a good excuse for my comrades for why I'm flying red :D

[ATAG_Snapper]

Wow! Just spent a few minutes going through everyone’s replies with some terrific analysis. :thumbsup:

For my part, I had a blast the whole time. Even on my initial takeoff run when I tried to dodge some flaming wreckage on the Rochester airfield and clumsily upended myself on rough ground and blew up. Much hilarity on TeamSpeak and believe me - I was laughing the loudest! :D

I had a great time, same as everyone. As our good pal Lewis would say, “It’s all about the fun, buddy!”

You succeeded in spades, DRock.

Thank you.

:salute:

[ATAG_Vampire]

If you look at organisation:
With JG4 and 9/JG 52 (and others) blue has well organised squadrons with considerable numbers of pilots. In comparison red squadrons are much smaller......


I think DerDa has it right.

Coupled with that organisation is also a disciplined approach to flying. Something which very few Red pilots use or want to use. To me that is the difference.

However, it is as the saying 'Horses for courses' implies, pilots will fly how they prefer.


I had a great time, same as everyone. As our good pal Lewis would say, “It’s all about the fun, buddy!”


Snappers comment sums it up nicely.

Looking forward to the next one. :thumbsup:

07 :salute:

[DUI]

Basically, everything has already been said. Yet, not by everyone... :D

With this low amount of escort planes and very numerous 109 pilots, there was hardly any chance for those slow and vulnerable figher-bomber Hurricanes to reach the target. It might have been different, if your group hadn't been spotted that early, but getting the fighter-bombers back home would have been nearly impossible in any case.
I already give kudos to every pilot of a fighter Hurricane daring to face 109s, but I nearly pity those figher-bomber pilots. :sad!:

Of course, every bomber and escort pilot's intention is to bomb the target to the ground, shoot down all attacking planes and return home safely without a single loss. But ATAG ASSAULT is much more. It is not about effectiveness - single flying Hurricanes would have won the map in less than an hour - but about flying together. And man, what a sight this Hurricane raid was! For all of the blue pilots and for sure for every red pilot as well! :salute:

[TWC_Padre]

Hi Guys

Well for starters I would like to apologize for the heavy losses ... yes I was flying bomber escort :doh:. This wasn't my first ATAG event, but it sure did feel like it. Communications was not very good; I had no idea what the target was or what heading the bombers where flying.

On my 1st flight I was flying bomber escort with my team mates coming out of Gravesend. We were on the lookout for our charges when the team spotted some action over Eastchurch. They broke off from our mission to investigate, I followed suit. A dog fight ensued and I was hit in the elevators. As the fight wore on, I lost sight of my quarry. JG52 Meyer in his Bf 109 rounded onto my six and let me have it with his 20mm cannons. I was killed almost instantly. I was just south of Rochester. This incident occurred: Grid sector AS-25.

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The next couple of flights ended prematurely because of the server crashing.

On my 4th flight, unfortunately I had some difficulties at base which delayed me getting into the air. Once I was airborne, I spent most of my time trying to catch up with my team mates and locating the bombers. Because I was so far back and I was so intent on spotting the bombers and catching up with my team mates, I made the stupid mistake of not watching my six. JG52 Groove reminded me of the errors of my ways. He tore into me with his 20mm's with such fierce determination he blew my entire tail section off. I was dead instantly. This incident happened just west of Hawkinge: Grid sector AU-23.

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On my 5th and final flight, I did manage to find the bombers. What a spectacular sight it was, in a very gruesome carnage sort of way :stunned: Unfortunately, I was alone (again) and got jumped by a flight of Bf 109's and took several hits that rendered me useless. I limped my way to Hawkinge in favour of living to fly another day, rather than facing another ill fated death. Below are some pics of the FB's I found

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It was a blast: Thanks DRock. I look forward to the next, and hopefully my skills will have improved some by then :)

God bless! (as the Padre always says)

[ATAG_Ribbs]

I had a blast as well, and I believe it was my flaming wreckage that caused Snappers abrupt trip into the thickets! All a blast for sure. Karayas comments got me thinking..about the BR20 massacre and what I think might be a good idea. Kick this around next time about a possible staggered start for the offensive team( Red or blue). Let the offensive team spawn in first..and get a 15 min head start to get bombers started and in the air forming up. ( Allowed to get up and have plans laid out..but not to advance towards any targets.) After 15 min are up the Defensive team is allowed to spawn in as quickly as they can to ( scramble) to get up that way they don't have scouts out already catching the bombers before they can even get feet wet?

[ATAG_Scones]

A wonderful thread, to which I will add...

We had fun therefore let us rejoice!

And kick our butts into shape for the next one!

:salute:

[ATAG_Vampire]

Well said Sconsey!

Reminded me of this.:thumbsup:


https://youtu.be/P9fa3HFR02E

07 :salute:

[ATAG_Scones]

Well said Sconsey!

Reminded me of this.:thumbsup:


https://youtu.be/P9fa3HFR02E

07 :salute:

Sir Laurence Olivier is amazing delivering his 'Saint Crispin's Day' speech.

Good find, Vamps!

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

[QUOTE=ATAG_Vampire;341002]Well said Sconsey!

Reminded me of this.:thumbsup:



more this methinks M'lord Sconsy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5nxkomDl4

[No.119_Bruv]

Hey DRock

If not for your input none of these events would ever take place . Same go's for the T/Moth meetings which again you play a big part in . It takes someone to do it . It's very good of you to give up your free time to organise these things .

From the howls of laughter I hear through my headphones:roflmao I would say that all taking part are enjoying it and very much appreciate your efforts . Good job mate and please keep it up . For me it was one of the best nights on the server.

Can we have some more please . :thumbsup:

I echo Knight's comments, if anything it was being a victim of your own success. Too many planes/players crashing the server and getting everyone on-board. I'd just love to see a few more turn out during the weeknights!

[No.119_Marshy (VK-M)]

Part of the 119th warming up at Gravesend, prior to escort dispatch...

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Padre had a bit of an issue!

[ATAG_yotheguy]

Thanks again DRock and everyone, hope you enjoy. :salute:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxX0SxbM_i0

[DRock]

Very cool, Yo.:salute:

[ATAG_Vampire]

Great video yo.

Thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

07 :salute:

[DerDa]

Thanks again DRock and everyone, hope you enjoy. :salute:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxX0SxbM_i0

Epic!

The new Star Wars trailer is a bore in comparison!

[ATAG_Marlow]

Thanks again DRock and everyone, hope you enjoy. :salute:



.......just gotta say......Yo, your video was BRILLIANT...very cleverly edited to be hard hitting, exciting and with some great set pieces. Loved seeing the Hurris passing Canterbury Cathedral (showing the scenic detail provided by Cliffs that we occasionally take for granted but which a newcomer must surely gawp at!) And the shots of the 109's diving through the Hurri bombers......real epic stuff! So well put together with excellent choice of music and well timed 'black outs! Loved it!

I missed this fantastic event (again....groan!) but it is such a treat to watch the post op vids like this, especially when they are so expertly made......... so thanks for sharing!

If I had come across this vid three years ago, when I first found ACG's 'The Beginning of the End,' it would have been reason enough to get stuck into Cliffs! Well done! Salute!

[ATAG_Marlow]

........and Knighty and Pat! Yo has told me that you won't be allowed on any more films until you've tidied up your aircraft! They're a terrible mess! A total disgrace!

........I'm sure I spotted a bag of stale doughnuts behind Knighty's seat..... and was that a pair of black, ladies..... 'unmentionables'...... hanging from Pat's mirror? Shocking! (Drum 'em out of ATAG, I say!) Ha ha! Salute! :D:D:D

[ATAG_Noofy]

There is no doubt we have great artists among us.
Those who created this fabulous sim, and those who can render it so beautifully :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[IIJG27Rich]

Well hopefully it's big numbers of players all the time after Tobruk comes out :) :salute:

[ATAG_Snapper]

Fantastic work, Yo! :thumbsup:

Thanks for that!

:salute:

[ATAG_Knight]

Nice work Yo , excellent .

[ATAG_Scones]

Awesome video, with editing expertly done!

Well done, Yo! :thumbsup:

[Dostal]

YO hit the point!

Epic! Keep it up, Mate!

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

great atmospheric video YO, captures tension and excitement of CLOD in 2 min clip, brilliant.

Can't wait for cannon armed hurri bomber shooting up Africa korps columns in TFS 5

[TWC_Padre]

Can't wait for cannon armed hurri bomber shooting up Africa korps columns in TFS 5

Won't that be something!!!!! :thumbsup:

[IIJG27Rich]

Tobruk is just a big "Wont that be something" in my humble opinion lol :) :salute:

[Karaya]

And the 2nd (& last) part of the event from my PoV. Again, thank you Rostic for your screenshot!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JJrhP8e_8

[DerDa]

And the 2nd (& last) part of the event from my PoV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JJrhP8e_8

Baby seals ... lol!
:)

[ATAG_Noofy]

Autsch! Das tat weh... :faceslap:
:bravo: whaa

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

"The Happy Time" for the Luftwaffe

[Dostal]

Herzblatthubschrauber? :thumbsup:

[DRock]

And the 2nd (& last) part of the event from my PoV. Again, thank you Rostic for your screenshot!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JJrhP8e_8

You’ll pay for this destruction, my friend.

JG’s days are numbered.:grrr:

[Karaya]

You’ll pay for this destruction, my friend.

JG’s days are numbered.:grrr:

whaa

[ATAG_JackMaxx]

yes will continue to attack you until you stop shooting us down, so there! :goofy

[ATAG_Scones]

Thanks for posting, Karaya but...

It will not always be summer for the Luftwaffe. :)

[Gingerbread]

If need be I can get involved with the organization of the red fighters next time, just need to find a good excuse for my comrades for why I'm flying red :D

I don't think you need an excuse if you bring the comrades too! :)



Wow, JG4 vs JG52... That would be a sight to see! :D



Hm, I think the idea of the First Intersquadron Tournament (aka F.I.S.T. :D) just born in my head! (Well, considering the long history of the IL2 series and let alone CLOD, it might not be the first, but it sounds good. :D )

- 4vs4 pure combat matches (it could be 8vs8, but not all squadrons have so many members yet...)
- 1 match consisting of 2 rounds
- 1 round could be 90 or 120 mins (depending of map size) (so 1 match would be 3-4h long, as a normal ATAG map)
- 1st round: TeamA is red, TeamB is blue, 2nd round TeamA is blue, TeamB is red.
- team with the most kills of each round gets 2 point (Bonus points may be awarded, for example: 1 point to the team of the player with the most kill, or like these. Needs further ideas.)
- matchload would be 1 match/team/month
- squadrons could sign up maximum 10 members for the tournament
- and 4+1 members for each match (so a substitute would be possible during the match)
- squadrons with high number of members could enter in the tournament with multiple teams, but no "overlapping" of the teammembers would be allowed
- matches would be streamed over twich or other popular streaming apps "live" (possibly with at least 15 mins delay to avoid spying)
- at the end of the tournament the team with the most points will be the Champion, and the Golden Wing Award would be awarded to the individual player with the most frags overall (something like the Golden Ball Award in football :D )

I know, we have the TigerMoth Cup to test the skills of individual pilots in a classic plane, the AtagAssaults to fly together in bombers, the TWC campaigns to recreate history.
These events (and the videos of many talented individual players) already provide many many hours of great fun for us, and provide plenty of material to promote our great sim.
I think a tournament like this would just emphasize the e-sport aspect of this sim. (We might open up a little in that direction too...)

Something like this... What do you think? :recon:

[DerDa]

I don't think you need an excuse if you bring the comrades too! :)



Wow, JG4 vs JG52... That would be a sight to see! :D



Hm, I think the idea of the First Intersquadron Tournament (aka F.I.S.T. :D) just born in my head! (Well, considering the long history of the IL2 series and let alone CLOD, it might not be the first, but it sounds good. :D )

- 4vs4 pure combat matches (it could be 8vs8, but not all squadrons have so many members yet...)
- 1 match consisting of 2 rounds
- 1 round could be 90 or 120 mins (depending of map size) (so 1 match would be 3-4h long, as a normal ATAG map)
- 1st round: TeamA is red, TeamB is blue, 2nd round TeamA is blue, TeamB is red.
- team with the most kills of each round gets 2 point (Bonus points may be awarded, for example: 1 point to the team of the player with the most kill, or like these. Needs further ideas.)
- matchload would be 1 match/team/month
- squadrons could sign up maximum 10 members for the tournament
- and 4+1 members for each match (so a substitute would be possible during the match)
- squadrons with high number of members could enter in the tournament with multiple teams, but no "overlapping" of the teammembers would be allowed
- matches would be streamed over twich or other popular streaming apps "live" (possibly with at least 15 mins delay to avoid spying)
- at the end of the tournament the Golden Wing Award would be awarded to the individual player with the most frags overall (something like the Golden Ball Award in football :D )

I know, we have the TigerMoth Cup to test the skills of individual pilots in a classic plane, the AtagAssaults to fly together in bombers, the TWC campaigns to recreate history.
These events (and the videos of many talented individual players) already provide many many hours of great fun for us, and provide plenty of material to promote our great sim.
I think a tournament like this would just emphasize the e-sport aspect of this sim. (We might open up a little in that direction too...)

Something like this... What do you think? :recon:

I remember that there was a tournament once upon a time, in the very early days of CloD.
It was before I became involved so I don't know first hand, but I have heard that it turned out quite boring for the spectators.
On the other hand a tournament with 2 vs. 2 or 4 vs. 4, emphasizing teamwork sounds very interesting to me.

In the experience of the last month: there is nothing like special events to bring people to the servers, so why not give it a try.

[ATAG_Laser]

No music or fancy effects, but here's a video I have put together of the first two sorties... up to the point when I got the chop.

Man I should've had that 109 at the end. Just got too low :doh:


https://youtu.be/8TWpiP8vBFo

[ATAG_Vampire]

Nice one Lase!

Just shows how great these events are and the number of pilots involved.

Also it highlights what a bunch of sitting ducks we were. :flying2:

Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:

07 :salute:

[DRock]

No music or fancy effects, but here's a video I have put together of the first two sorties... up to the point when I got the chop.

Man I should've had that 109 at the end. Just got too low :doh:


https://youtu.be/8TWpiP8vBFo

Wow, that 5 wing Vic formation at 4:25 is so tight. Nice to be surrounded by so many great pilots.

The warm up was very organized, as well. Those staggered spawn points helped.


An air traffic controller for home base would be a good addition to these assaults. That person could also assist with Squadron movements, and help track the enemy.


Thanks for the video, Laser.

[ATAG_Scones]

Wow, that reckless dash to Dungeness - so hairy!

Thanks for posting, Lase! :thumbsup:

[ATAG_Noofy]

An air traffic controller for home base would be a good addition to these assaults. That person could also assist with Squadron movements, and help track the enemy.

Absolutely.
Is it possible to include a control tower object on airfields where a human could spawn in and have full visibility on the ground? Ideally from this position one should also have access to more detailed radar information to be able to track enemy/friendly aircraft.

[Gingerbread]

Absolutely.
Is it possible to include a control tower object on airfields where a human could spawn in and have full visibility on the ground? Ideally from this position one should also have access to more detailed radar information to be able to track enemy/friendly aircraft.

:thumbsup:

Yes, the controller could have access to a modified map there, where the reports of the operational radar stations would appear automatically, but he/she could also put down plane markers manually to follow ongoing operations and track enemies reported by pilots. He/she should also be able to manually mark found ground targets (like ships, convoys, etc.), maybe with two different markers to follow their state also (live/destroyed).

I think, on a longer term, the control tower of an airfield and the operations room could be separated or at least there should be allowed to spawn in at least two player. One, who sees and manages the airfield traffic, and one who would be the chief executive mission commander.

[ATAG_Noofy]

:thumbsup:

Yes, the controller could have access to a modified map there, where the reports of the operational radar stations would appear automatically, but he/she could also put down plane markers manually to follow ongoing operations and track enemies reported by pilots. He/she should also be able to manually mark found ground targets (like ships, convoys, etc.), maybe with two different markers to follow their state also (live/destroyed).

I think, on a longer term, the control tower of an airfield and the operations room could be separated or at least there should be allowed to spawn in at least two player. One, who sees and manages the airfield traffic, and one who would be the chief executive mission commander.

We would ideally need to allow a third person in (to bring coffee/tea to the controllers) :)

[ATAG_Ribbs]

I hear Seas's standard issue monkey has been in secret training just for a job like this..

[ATAG_Highseas]

I hear Seas's standard issue monkey has been in secret training just for a job like this..

This news is unverified.

He is a very private monkey and he doesn't like to talk about the work he does for charity.

The monkey's spokesman has spoken.

Or broken.

Often hard to tell as i cant soell for tiffie.

[ATAG_Laser]

Wow, that 5 wing Vic formation at 4:25 is so tight. Nice to be surrounded by so many great pilots.

The warm up was very organized, as well. Those staggered spawn points helped.


An air traffic controller for home base would be a good addition to these assaults. That person could also assist with Squadron movements, and help track the enemy.


Thanks for the video, Laser.

Yes, some superb flying there chaps. :thumbsup:

I was crap as usual but hey, it was fun taking part in another great event :salute: