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ATAG_Bliss
Feb-03-2013, 17:22
Here's some modded version shots of what the spitfires look like at the moment with weathering set to 0 (factory fresh!) Should make the RAF boys happy :)

Just remember this is all very much work in progress. Besides fixing the weathering, there's much going on in reflections, lighting, map textures, shadows etc.. that are constantly being fine tuned to give off a much better look.

92 Cdt. Kiwikillemoff (QJ-Z)
Feb-03-2013, 17:48
:thumbsup:

ATAG_Snapper
Feb-03-2013, 18:36
Gorgeous! :)

Muffin
Feb-03-2013, 18:41
Lovely!

Dutch
Feb-03-2013, 19:26
weathering set to 0 (factory fresh!)

I'm a goddamned clairvoyant. Anyone want their fortunes told? :devilish:

Wolf
Feb-03-2013, 19:28
I'm a goddamned clairvoyant. Anyone want their fortunes told? :devilish:

MMMM Nice Spit.. Nice and Clean. :salute:

Blitzen
Feb-03-2013, 19:30
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/doody.jpg

Gorgon14
Feb-03-2013, 21:38
I like it! :-)

Injerin
Feb-03-2013, 23:21
After seeing those screenies, :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4moPhSeDWFI&feature

HurricaneHarvest
Feb-04-2013, 00:36
ACES WILD !!!

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx23/ArchaicWarrior/MoodSetters01.jpg

HH.

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
Feb-04-2013, 04:42
Thanks Bliss.

Should make the RAF boys happy

Hmm. maybe not :-P. Paint jobs are only skin deep. It's what's under the cowling that makes me happy. Got any screening from inside the cockpit, I wanna see some gauges ;)

philip.ed
Feb-04-2013, 05:48
That looks amazing. Great job :)

Kling
Feb-04-2013, 12:14
Stunning shots Bliss!!!

Beautiful targets for a 109! ;)

Sandy1942
Feb-04-2013, 12:21
New Spitfire looks very effectively!
Whether it is planned to remake textures of Bf109 which looks now awfully?

Shado
Feb-04-2013, 12:33
Bloody good show ole chap :thumbsup:

5./JG27 Max Schneider
Feb-15-2013, 18:35
Too shiny.

ATAG_Bliss
Feb-15-2013, 18:39
Hmm - did you read the OP? The words "factory fresh" are used. So as Mr Obvious would say, it's supposed to look like its never been flown.

Are you and Farber not reading posts or just looking at screenshots?

ATAG_Snapper
Feb-15-2013, 19:04
The Spits in the OP look great to me. There's still a definite sheen on the wartime Spit 2b taken in this 1941 aerial shot, and it was not factory-new.

http://aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB/ (http://aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB/)

SlipBall
Feb-15-2013, 19:13
The second shot looks just like the WIP

LG1.Farber
Feb-15-2013, 19:20
Here's some modded version shots of what the spitfires look like at the moment with weathering set to 0 (factory fresh!) Should make the RAF boys happy :)

Just remember this is all very much work in progress. Besides fixing the weathering, there's much going on in reflections, lighting, map textures, shadows etc.. that are constantly being fine tuned to give off a much better look.


This looks fine to me...

This thread has been bumped by accident, its this thread:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?3363-Short-video-clip-showing-weathering-effects-currently-being-worked-on-by-Team-Fusion&p=32120#post32120

The latest work^


This is very different, dont reply here - lets talk about the real deal....

machoo
Feb-15-2013, 20:50
I like the look of the reflections more then the factory fresh spit. Have these been changed at all? These look like they have been softened , on my computer they are alot more high res.

ATAG_Bliss
Feb-15-2013, 21:01
The Spits in the OP look great to me. There's still a definite sheen on the wartime Spit 2b taken in this 1941 aerial shot, and it was not factory-new.

http://aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB/ (http://aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB/)

Oh yes.. There's definitely a huge shine when turned into the sun on a sunny day. Most photographs obviously wouldn't want to show this off, so they don't take the picture with the sun blinding the camera. But there have been plenty of oops pictures that did snap photo's showing real sunny days and the shine.

I think it's hard for people to grasp because no other sim is as close to real life in this regard. There's many many pilot accounts during WWII of only being able to spot a contact by the huge flash of light (sun reflection at a distance). I don't know any other WWII sim or any sim in general that comes close to the look of the natural sun hitting the various parts of the shine on the plane and bouncing back. I think many people are used to seeing these planes in museums or flybys where observer is on the ground and the sun (where the glare comes from) is shining the opposite direction of where you could observe it from.

Check these photos out of WWII birds with pictures taken and the "shine" that comes from the natural sunlight in real life.

If you notice the 1st one, there's so much sunlight glare 1/2 the markings are covered in the shiny bits caused by the sunlight bouncing off them.

Mattias
Feb-15-2013, 21:17
:salute:

Just like Bliss said -on a sunny day even matte painted aircrafts reflects a good amount of light and in CLOD all days are sunny days :D

The effect is highly "tweakable" and no one has any reason to worry.

Setting the weathering slider to 100% gives you stock/vanilla shine and 0% gives you a brand new "propaganda poster" shiny aircraft.

The effect is linear and the best setting for one's personal taste will most probably be somewhere in between :thumbsup:

Here's a nice video of a restored 109E-3. As you can see at the start of the clip the paint is really matte, but watch what happens when the sun is in the "right" angle at the middle of the clip and onwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=400--DH00yI

Cheers/m

ATAG_Bliss
Feb-15-2013, 22:26
That's a great video. It shows how there's no shine at all at the start where there is no sun, then the direct sunlight hitting the plane makes huge amounts of shine and glare to the point where some markings are even not visible. :thumbsup:

Nice one!

Osprey
Feb-16-2013, 04:33
I'm not convinced that we can use our airshow experience to judge paint jobs tbh, I've seen quite a mix over the years. RAF used matt paint certainly on the underside, I haven't read anything about laquer. There are many accounts of reflection giving away another aircraft position but we don't actually know if this was canopy glare or from the airframe somewhere. The only answer realistically is if somebody knows of a type flying today which uses the same paints as used back in the day.


Isn't it a credit to COD that today's argument is about how realistically the paint reflection is!!! Think about it, that's actually quite amusing :)

Mattias
Feb-16-2013, 04:51
Isn't it a credit to COD that today's argument is about how realistically the paint reflection is!!! Think about it, that's actually quite amusing :)

:salute: Osprey,

I agree :) One day when we're all happy with the reflections, I wonder what the next step will be? Arguments about the exact shade of white on the red pilots scarf? :D

Regarding laquer, I do believe the 109 in the above video has a historically correct non-laquer paintjob :thumbsup: No paint in the world can resist a strong sunshine. Even my dog reflects light :D

Cheers/m

Continu0
Feb-16-2013, 06:17
I agree :) One day when we're all happy with the reflections, I wonder what the next step will be?

Probably if updates should be counted in romanian or arabic numbers... (Hint: Take a look at the official BoS-Forum...)

Tvrdi
Feb-16-2013, 13:01
Im squealing from joy now....

92 Sqn. Folmar (QJ-F)
Feb-17-2013, 11:57
Those are real spitfires right??? Pure awesomeness!

rhinomonkey
Feb-21-2013, 03:45
Too shiny.

I know this isn't a spitfires but check out the shine on these 109s. Footage from 1939 i think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7u8LEMA4Bw

rhinomonkey
Feb-21-2013, 03:56
I know this isn't a spitfires but check out the shine on these 109s. Footage from 1939 i think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7u8LEMA4Bw

Another one here. Check out the Hurris at about 3.37 on this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLkMPWGK8Ik

ATAG_Nudge
Feb-22-2013, 19:56
The Spits in the OP look great to me. There's still a definite sheen on the wartime Spit 2b taken in this 1941 aerial shot, and it was not factory-new.

http://aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB/ (http://aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/SupermarineSpitfireMkIIB/)

Hey all please note the BW image is at what altitude would we guess? say 6 to 7K feet?

HMMMM

Look closer at the canopy Gentleman and what do we see.....IT's OPEN my word the pilot's not frozen........!

Thanks for posting Snapper...

92Sqn Nudge (QJ-N)

ATAG_Snapper
Feb-22-2013, 20:17
Hey all please note the BW image is at what altitude would we guess? say 6 to 7K feet?

HMMMM

Look closer at the canopy Gentleman and what do we see.....IT's OPEN my word the pilot's not frozen........!

Thanks for posting Snapper...

92Sqn Nudge (QJ-N)

You're very welcome, Nudge. I forgive you in shooting me down so easily last night! LOL

Your point is well taken. I've read that some RAF pilots flew with canopies open because of their fear of being trapped inside when the plane was on fire.

That said, I also agree that many Blue pilot's concerns of Red pilots with open canopies hearing oncoming LW fighters approaching from behind to be well-founded. A simple solution (I think) would be to amplify the wind noise when the canopy is opened. Right now it's merely annoying. It should be downright deafening IMHO to the exclusion of all other sounds. To that end, even the Merlin roar should be amplified as well, I should think.

Personally, I only fly with canopy closed except on landing approach and taxiing, so this would not affect me in the least. I have no idea what, if any, speed/performance penalty would be effected on a real Spit or Hurri with open canopy in flight. I believe some pilots were warned that the canopy could jam if it were opened at high speeds. In Clod there is a slight speed penalty in the Spits of about 5 mph -- barely discernible on the airspeed gauge -- when the canopy is opened in level flight.

SlipBall
Feb-23-2013, 01:54
You should not be able to hear other aircraft in my opinion. I like the idea of the increased engine sound along with the wind increase. If anyone has spent much time fiddling with race engines or being a spectator at a racing event. You know how deafening a performance engine with header tubes can be, especially anything above an idle, let alone 2200 RPM.

ATAG_Septic
Feb-23-2013, 05:19
You're very welcome, Nudge. I forgive you in shooting me down so easily last night! LOL

Your point is well taken. I've read that some RAF pilots flew with canopies open because of their fear of being trapped inside when the plane was on fire.

That said, I also agree that many Blue pilot's concerns of Red pilots with open canopies hearing oncoming LW fighters approaching from behind to be well-founded. A simple solution (I think) would be to amplify the wind noise when the canopy is opened. Right now it's merely annoying. It should be downright deafening IMHO to the exclusion of all other sounds. To that end, even the Merlin roar should be amplified as well, I should think.

Personally, I only fly with canopy closed except on landing approach and taxiing, so this would not affect me in the least. I have no idea what, if any, speed/performance penalty would be effected on a real Spit or Hurri with open canopy in flight. I believe some pilots were warned that the canopy could jam if it were opened at high speeds. In Clod there is a slight speed penalty in the Spits of about 5 mph -- barely discernible on the airspeed gauge -- when the canopy is opened in level flight.

It's often overlooked that the 109 has a side window, which I have open most of the time whilst in that aircraft. I don't know whether the sound radar 'works' or whether there is a drag penalty but suggestions red pilots might be 'gaming' by having their cockpit open seem moot to me.

Septic.