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ATAG_Pattle
Feb-01-2020, 06:27
If anyone finds Pienoir, let us know! :thumbsup:

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ATAG_Marlow
Feb-01-2020, 07:20
.......very thought provoking shot, Pat!

It reminds me that the remains of some sort of P40 were discovered in the desert, many years after the war in a remakable state of preservation, though many of the cockpit instruments had been stolen by souvenir hunters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKao6g7NU68


But...mysteriously......... no sign of Pienoir! Salute! :thumbsup:

Pienoir
Feb-01-2020, 08:05
make tea

......I'm coming


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Blitzen
Feb-01-2020, 11:44
These kind of shots always remind me of the very real "long walk home " of the crew of the "Lady Be Good..."45428

Blitzen
Feb-01-2020, 11:47
...followed quickly by t[IThe Twilight Zone[/I] episode, King Nine Will Not Be Returning....:recon:

ATAG_Marlow
Feb-01-2020, 13:08
make tea

......I'm coming


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.....Come on, Pienoir! You can make it....we're all 'rootin' for you! Salute! :thumbsup:

ATAG_Noofy
Feb-01-2020, 14:16
The Country Of Thirst whaa 45433

Marco
Feb-01-2020, 14:25
Recognition for your dedication to the cause!

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~S~

ATAG_Ezzie
Feb-01-2020, 18:11
These kind of shots always remind me of the very real "long walk home " of the crew of the "Lady Be Good..."45428

I saw this movie as a kid many years ago which is somewhat based on this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_Survivor_(1970_film)

ATAG_Pattle
Feb-01-2020, 19:02
I saw this movie as a kid many years ago which is somewhat based on this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_Survivor_(1970_film)

Saw that movie as a kid too. Always remembered the drama re the last guy.

IIJG27Rich
Feb-01-2020, 23:21
I'll have to hunt down that film Pattle :salute:

Ekko
Feb-02-2020, 00:05
Recognition for your dedication to the cause!

45434

~S~

:thumbsup:

rontaila
Feb-02-2020, 05:56
What can I say? what great beaches have these here!:bsign:

ATAG_TCP
Feb-02-2020, 16:30
Ahh yes, I think I just saw a rather down trodden looking RAF officer walk past on the sidewalk..........
wait have we lost any pilots in Australia recently? o_o

Cybermat47
Feb-03-2020, 19:29
Makes you think how absolutely terrifying it would be to end up stuck in the desert, or floating on a life raft in the middle of the ocean. Escaping a quick death only to face a long, painful one. It’s a horrifying thought.

ATAG_Noofy
Feb-03-2020, 23:44
check this movie (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151392/).

You may even find it on Youtube...

DerDa
Feb-04-2020, 01:52
Makes you think how absolutely terrifying it would be to end up stuck in the desert, or floating on a life raft in the middle of the ocean. Escaping a quick death only to face a long, painful one. It’s a horrifying thought.

If you read 'The Straights of Messina' by J. Steinhoff you get an impression of this.
All in all it is a pretty dishonest book, but some parts stick in mind. The Pilots knew that there was no sea rescue in the Med. So whoever had to go down in the sea knew that with high probablility he would drown. A severe problem especially for aircraft with so little range as the 109 or the Spit.

Karaya
Feb-04-2020, 08:01
Just curious but why do you think that Steinhoff's book is dishonest? I've always been under the impression that he had a "no bullshit" approach and no need to boast.

DerDa
Feb-04-2020, 12:40
He always had been extremely ambitious. The (without doubt unfair) way Göring treated the fighter pilots in the Med was basically the end to his career ambitions during the war. This nagged at him even when he was high ranking NATO commander and the book is an attempt to clear his name.

In his other (earlier) book 'Die Verschwörung der Jagdflieger' he clearly exaggerated the whole affair and especially his own role in it, at the same time diminuishing the part his 'friend' Lützow played, who was dead and no longer able to object.

So basically he was all his life working on the myth that he had been an outstanding figher commander as well as (almost) a resistance fighter.
Ilse Krupinski's first impression when she met him during the war was: 'Was für ein Lackaffe.' :)

Kurt Braatz, a very knowledgable historian specialised on aviation history accuses him of 'fabulieren' (telling untrue stories) in his book.

ATAG_TCP
Feb-04-2020, 15:57
Interesting info DerDa, after reading "A Higher Call" by Adam Makos detailing a number of these pilots, it is interesting to hear about them from other stages and points in life.

Mysticpuma
Feb-05-2020, 11:23
https://youtu.be/TxV6kbydpW4