Friday Update 08/03/2013. Video

[Mysticpuma]

Well it's Friday again and I'm sure you all want to see news?

Below is a video shot on the ATAG Private server where testing continues to spot those pesky little bugs that may try and sneak in and spoil the day. The footage is more a demonstration to show how the new FM's are allowing some really classic dogfights and battles at various altitudes.

The video was created from footage captured over the space of an hour and edited down to a short action sequence to give a taste of the new altitudes and intensity that can be expected when we release the patch on.......... (very soon ;) )

I must add that most of the camera effects (Focus shift/hand-held camera/explosion shake) are all POST Production, not in-game features. It's one of the reasons I came on-board was so I can create videos using the new Patches. Some if not all of the new features are really outstanding, you'll be finding them for months to come ;)

No clues as to what the video shows, other than the above, but there are a few hints at features that are being worked on ;)

Please note that the footage is captured from an internal testing patch and features can be subject to change but that is not what we expect, unless it's to add more goodies ;)

We, like you, are flight sim enthusiasts and are doing our best to make Cliffs of Dover the Simulation that we all want it to be. It may take some time, but trust us when we say, we are dedicated to the cause and we do communicate when we can ;)

So without further ado here's the link.... enjoy ;)


https://vimeo.com/61362271

or if you can't view it with the embedded feature, here's the direct link ;)


https://vimeo.com/61362271

[Mysticpuma]

First to reply :) Beat you all ;)

[ATAG_Lolsav]

2nd!

Just watched. As usual a lot to digest from the footage. Gotta say i love the green skin on the 109!

[II/JG53_Volker]

Looking good...

Anticipation building. ......

[Ohms]

Please release soon or I'm going to explode :recon:

[ATAG_Snapper]

The contrails are going to add a real feeling of depth to an otherwise 2D interface. Breathtaking! :thumbsup:

[TWC_BikerJack]

First to reply :) Beat you all ;)

Right behind you! Looking good!

[ATAG_Snapper]

I'm seeing a lot of sunlight flashing off the planes. Is this a work around to the LOD/pixel disappearing and hard-to-see problems?

The clouds seem higher than our current missions (already mentioned, I know), but they also seem thicker, better textured, and I cannot see land objects/dots through them.

I thought I saw the 109 and Spitfire collide a couple of times, but no damage to either.......?

[9./ZG26Eicken]

Damn that looks good :D

[III/JG53_Don]

the canopy reflection looks awesome

[ATAG_Lolsav]

the canopy reflection looks awesome

i think that is a video effect. But i will let Mystic speak to clarify.

[SlipBall]

Thanks Mystic very well done :salute:

[III/JG53_Don]

i think that is a video effect. But i will let Mystic speak to clarify.

but he speaks only of post production camera effects.

Maybe we can soon spot contacts through the sun reflections like it is regulary stated by veterans... wouldbe pretty cool :D

[ATAG_Bliss]

i think that is a video effect. But i will let Mystic speak to clarify.

It's now part of the sim and it is fantastic. :D

Obviously this only works because of sunlight bouncing off the glass, just like what we've all heard about in many combat reports etc. It is really cool, not to mention can be a visual aid.

[Continu0]

yes, those reflections you will see in the patch. More or less confirmed by bliss...

[ATAG_Bliss]

but he speaks only of post production camera effects.

Maybe we can soon spot contacts through the sun reflections like it is regulary stated by veterans... wouldbe pretty cool :D

Exactly :)

[vranac]

Thanks guys :thumbsup:

I hope we'll all enjoy it soon.

[ATAG_Bliss]

2nd!

Just watched. As usual a lot to digest from the footage. Gotta say i love the green skin on the 109!

If you look closely, there's lots of Easter eggs in there.

[ATAG_Lolsav]

It's now part of the sim and it is fantastic. :D

*Glup* In that case its beyhound my expectations. Wow!

Question: How is the Hurricane shooting withtout "skidding" with his rudder to right and left? Its it done by adjusting gunsight distance?

[Kristorf]

Beautiful, many thanks :ilike:

[Electricfox]

Outstanding! Finally I will be able to spot bombers at low altitude by the sunlight reflecting from their canopies, just as I have heard in so many reports from fighter pilots.

A quick question though, is the feature linked to the theatre weather?

[ATAG_Bliss]

Outstanding! Finally I will be able to spot bombers at low altitude by the sunlight reflecting from their canopies, just as I have heard in so many reports from fighter pilots.

A quick question though, is the feature linked to the theatre weather?

It all has to do with sunlight and glass. So in a sense, if it was possible to make a completely cloudy/overcast day where no sunlight would reach the canopy, you won't have that type of reflection of light.

Does that answer your question? Or are you talking about the weathering of the planes?

[nacy]

Mysticpuma give me patch Team-Fusion ere that 777 sending in clink.

Thanks guys:thumbsup:

En french:
Mysticpuma donne moi le patch Team-Fusion avant que 777 t'envoie en taule (prison)

[louisv]

link is gone

really bad vibes ^^^

[priller26]

Darn can't see the link....:recon:

[ATAG_Lolsav]

https://vimeo.com/61204495

Try this one insted :D

https://vimeo.com/61362271

[Wolfskid]

MYSTICPUMA.......THANK you for sharing this great Video. ATAG Team - Modders - Creators...THANHK YOU, thousand times for your work and time you have spend to realized this.

@Mysticpuma... what for a Music, Sound is this in the Video ??

Thanks for the answer.

And for ALL...have a great Springtime and a nice weekend




THANKS a lot




Wolfskid

[priller26]

Awsome!!!! Thanks.

[Mysticpuma]

I have no idea why the link changed...it really is odd...anyway, the first post contains the link and if you can't see the embedded version, I have also added the direct link to it. No idea why or where it went AWOL :angel:

[Catseye]

but he speaks only of post production camera effects.

Maybe we can soon spot contacts through the sun reflections like it is regulary stated by veterans... wouldbe pretty cool :D

This is exactly what is happening!
It helps to spot the 109's loitering escort above the bombers and also pick aircraft up flying below in a camoflaged situation. One thing that is also new is the sheen of sunlight reflecting off the painted surfaces. It's great to be arching over a bomber formation and seeing the bright outline on all the reflective surfaces at certain angles in addition to "twinkling" of the glass.

All of this feature is a quality of the reflective surface and angle to the sun.

A wonderful job has been done here!

[Marco]

Excellent video Mystic and fantastic work by TF. I'm beginning to get that warm fuzzy OMG feeling that I got watching the ClOD pre-release videos for the first time over two years ago. :-)

Keep up the good work guys. :thumbsup:

~S~

[Macro]

awsome vid mystic well done mate!

[ATAG_JTDawg]

:thumbsup: and:thumbsup: , but i keep hearing this stupid song in my head , yea that it . Release me---- release me :D

[MadTommy]

Reflections look great... combined with the contrails will make finding targets a lot more enjoyable. :)

[Topo]

Beautiful, thanks!
Just a little question:
The Ju-88 collide with the ground and not with the... trees, right? :getaway:

[Doc]

This looks awesome!! :thumbsup:

[Royraiden]

Great news! Thanks for the update.Now the question is when we'll get it but Im sure that is top secret information :D

[III/JG53_Don]

This is exactly what is happening!
It helps to spot the 109's loitering escort above the bombers and also pick aircraft up flying below in a camoflaged situation. One thing that is also new is the sheen of sunlight reflecting off the painted surfaces. It's great to be arching over a bomber formation and seeing the bright outline on all the reflective surfaces at certain angles in addition to "twinkling" of the glass.

All of this feature is a quality of the reflective surface and angle to the sun.

A wonderful job has been done here!

My wildest dreams will come true as soon as this patch is out :D Great job!

[Electricfox]

It all has to do with sunlight and glass. So in a sense, if it was possible to make a completely cloudy/overcast day where no sunlight would reach the canopy, you won't have that type of reflection of light.

Does that answer your question? Or are you talking about the weathering of the planes?

That answers it perfectly. Wow, there is quite a lot of good stuff to be able to code in this. Great work for finding it and creating it. :thumbsup:

EDIT: Furthermore, if I'm not much mistaken (but I usually am) this will be the first combat flight sim to reproduce this effect as described. :D

[archer11]

I really get the feeling, that TF's work will bring this sim to a completely new level. Wonderful!

Thanks a lot for the video, Mysticpuma! btw, just yesterday I watched your "Against All Odds"-movie again , oh the memories of 2003 ;-)

[III/JG53_Don]

Beautiful, thanks!
Just a little question:
The Ju-88 collide with the ground and not with the... trees, right? :getaway:

Don't want to kill your excitement, but the Ju-88 seems to fly through the two trees and crashes in the ground afterwards... at least I see it this way

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Beautiful, thanks!
Just a little question:
The Ju-88 collide with the ground and not with the... trees, right? :getaway:

No, we will not implement collisions with trees in the first release.

It is something which we are working on, but quite a considerable task to accomplish without completely compromising framerates, which we will not do.

[eekz]

I liked the video very much. Great work, one of the best CloD videos in my list :thumbsup:

[SlipBall]

At about 1:47 the starboard wing gets separated but I can't see a cause other than that tree...also the props not spinning at all, does that mean both engines are seized solid :-)

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Looking very good good boys! :)

Thankyou very much for putting in your time and effort to give us this update.

[Winger]

Awesome work folks. I am really looking forward to get into a 109 again. Cannot wait.

Winger

[71st_AH_Eagle]

Some things I noticed :D:

No terrain loading at altitude (The infamous yellow earth if anyone knows what I'm talking about)

A Hurricane with CAT on the side


I look forward for this patch very dearly.

Would the source code help you guys at all? :talk:

[Catseye]

Some things I noticed :D:

No terrain loading at altitude (The infamous yellow earth if anyone knows what I'm talking about)

A Hurricane with CAT on the side



Ooopsy, the "Cat" is out of the bag so to speak!

It was a fun test with the team.

Cheers,

Cats . . . .

[Catseye]

*Glup* In that case its beyhound my expectations. Wow!

Question: How is the Hurricane shooting withtout "skidding" with his rudder to right and left? Its it done by adjusting gunsight distance?

Hi Loslav,
My gunsight distance is set to 300 yds. Guns vertical 450 metres, horizontal 200 metres. I did not have a good alignment on the bomber when I was diving in from the right hand side. At altitude, and after diving down, the controls were heavy and I had to have the stick hard back to get the nose back up to place the sight on the target. Because I was in a curve left then right, the sight was off to the right of where I wanted it. I was going to miss my approach to the right because of momentum and sluggish controls and I had to kick rudder quickly left and right to get hits on the target. You can see my tracers weaving left and right on the target. Then, very quickly I had to nose down and break left due to the tail gunners.

The rudder kicks were very quick to make the nose move left and right and I don't think there was much time for the Hurri to start skidding. I was trying to counter the angular momentum on approach. The time was only a few seconds max on the approach and I did not hold the rudder pedals very long. Probably 1/4 second each way rapidly.

Flying at these altitudes brings a complete new dimension into the SIM. Energy management is paramount and it really feels like you are driving a bus and need to think through what you are trying to do well ahead if possible.

Cheers.
Cats . . .

[potenz]

As far as i saw greta job lads!!!!

Just one little detail, first the question:

The grey smoke/steam, are high altitude contrails???

if it is, should be white.

just my opinion

regs

Potz

[baronWastelan]

Thanks 4 vid. After 10 years SoW is becoming reality.

[Aspid]

Very good, boys. We'll wait.

[pavlich]

:thumbsup:

[Tvrdi]

Thanks to all involved into this. You all well deserved our support!

[Flyingblind]

Excellent work and excellent video. All very exciting stuff. Can't help wondering if 777 being a bit sniffy towards you guys isn't more to do with the fact that there is a benchmark that their offering will be compared and judged against more than any copyright issue. If they are tempted they will find it hard to cut corners on the basis there is no real competition. Which can only be a good thing.

I am looking forward to trying both sims.

[Mancspartan]

This is fantastic. Thank you very much to everyone involved for taking the time and effort to produce this :)

[SlipBall]

Excellent work and excellent video. All very exciting stuff. Can't help wondering if 777 being a bit sniffy towards you guys isn't more to do with the fact that there is a benchmark that their offering will be compared and judged against more than any copyright issue. If they are tempted they will find it hard to cut corners on the basis there is no real competition. Which can only be a good thing.

I am looking forward to trying both sims.


777 forgot to check for a pulse after the BOM assassination :-P

[JG4_Widukind]

I saw the Ju 88 Gunner not fire...they was off`? ...or they shooting so badly?
That is a Big Problem with the Tailgunners...you working on that ?
I postet in Banna-forum so long this Bomber Bugs ...but nobody from 1c was intresstet for this Problems.

[skouras]

live the team to do wherever they want
the way as i see it
they will give us a much better sim than what we have now:)

bravo Team Fusion

[ATAG_Deacon]

Great work TF. A big thanks to all involved!

[ChiefRedCloud]

Very nice ..... :thumbsup:

[Shado]

Thank you so much you guys for all the work you have done on this diamond in the rough, its polishing up well.

[BH_woodstock]

All i can say is WOW!!My jaw just hit the floor.I cannot wait to fly this game again.Your dedication and capabilities are what this sim needed.I thank you and salute you all.

[SlipBall]

BTY the coordinated barrel role was very cool! :thumbsup:

[E.F.HARTMANN]

A big thank you for what you do that is excellent.
Wonderful work.: Thumbsup:
Very anxious to see him.

[Buglord]

Cant wait for the release of your work, looking great :)

[TWC_SLAG]

My god! The colors and details just pop off the screen. Wonderful.

Binky9

[Roblex]

Awesome video, regardless of whether it showed old or new features. Thanks for taking the time Mystic :thumbsup:

Am I going crazy? Don't we already have reflections off canopies, even if not as pronounced as the video shows? I would swear that the only reason I spot distant enemies at times is because of seeing the 'glint'. Maybe that is just a glitch in the 'dot' rendering?

Bang goes my already limited kill tally. I think at half of my fighter kills come from sneaking up on a solo 109 who thinks he is safe heading to England at 15000ft and does look behind him :D Luckily another quarter come from sneaking up on 109 pilots who think they are safe sneaking home to France at 150ft and don't think to look below them :))

[SlipBall]

reflections off canopies were toned down in one of the patches, but yes earlier it was great for spotting

[stndbfrgrn]

Beautiful reflections on that Spit's airframe at 1:02...
Keep it up guys!

[ATAG_EvangelusE]

Excellent work and a big thanks. Once released, will this mod/patch be essential to access the ATAG server (rather like IL2 servers running specific mod packs)?

[ATAG_Colander]

Excellent work and a big thanks. Once released, will this mod/patch be essential to access the ATAG server (rather like IL2 servers running specific mod packs)?

Yes. It will have a different version number so you'll need it to join any server with it.
Switching between versions will be a one file only replace/restore.

[flightdok]

Yes. It will have a different version number so you'll need it to join any server with it.
Switching between versions will be a one file only replace/restore.

Hi, what venue or location will this new patch/update be released when ready?....thanks for all your hard work........:salute:

[ATAG_Colander]

Hi, what venue or location will this new patch/update be released when ready?....thanks for all your hard work........:salute:

I'm sure you'll find it on your nearest supermarket :)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hi, what venue or location will this new patch/update be released when ready?....thanks for all your hard work........:salute:

Hi Flightdok and welcome to the forum! You've certainly come at the right time with the Team Fusion patch release drawing near. Stay tuned at this forum for full details/link(s) on where to download it and how to install it. :D

Snapper :salute:

[wuffman]

Hey Guys,

A bit concerned with lack of dedicated Reds on nightly. I know some are going to Arma3 alpha in the vaccuum, and I know from experience it can be addictive. There are many, myself included, that will appreciate and support the fine work this patch represents in any way that might help. Just noting the lack of pilots on ATAG where there used to be several every night. Timing is everything; hope it comes out soon.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I would imagine that there will be more reds than you can shake a stick at when the patch comes out. :D

[Flanker35M]

S!

Nice video. Liked most of it except maybe the a tad bit overdone reflections or "glittering". Should be there but maybe not as pronounced. WIP so I think you guys still tweak things :D Thanks for the hard work!

[ATAG_Bliss]

S!

Nice video. Liked most of it except maybe the a tad bit overdone reflections or "glittering". Should be there but maybe not as pronounced. WIP so I think you guys still tweak things :D Thanks for the hard work!

Hi Flanker and welcome.

The 1st time I the glittering I thought the same. It's one of those things I've grown to love though.

Im currently in a desert climate where seeing clouds is a very rare occurance. The one thing I have noticed here though, is you cannot survive without sun glasses. Any time the sun is out you will get blinded by cars on the other side of the interstate to cars right in front of you. Granted cars with their shiny paint and huge amount of glass greatly help in the sun reflection, but it is blinding.

I think some may love it and some may hate it, mainly because its really never been like this in a flight sim before. But I think most, once accustomed to it, will like it very much. The real key would be to be able to produce cloudy/overcast weather instead of sunny clear skies we always have. But that's down the road :D

[ATAG_Septic]

S!

Nice video. Liked most of it except maybe the a tad bit overdone reflections or "glittering". Should be there but maybe not as pronounced. WIP so I think you guys still tweak things :D Thanks for the hard work!

Hi Flanker,:salute:

I had some doubts about the reflections initially but they have been adjusted and tweaked by the clever chaps and now look very good to me.

It's not just about whether they provide extra eye-candy though. With all the extra air-space or playing area provided by the new flight models it is difficult to spot other aircraft. But, it's wonderful to see a brief flash from the canopy of a contact 10,000 ft below.

Septic.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Alrighty, thanks for the answers :) Maybe it looks different on own screen. Rowan's Mig Alley had reflections as well and they did help spotting planes in distance or below you. Eagerly waiting for the patch and see what it brings :)

[92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)]

I would imagine that there will be more reds than you can shake a stick at when the patch comes out. :D

I only wish it were possible to reserve seats on the server! It's bound to be busy, maybe server 2 also????!

Although I hope that others such as ACG will also pick the patch.....so none of us will be left with the patch, but no-where to play.

[92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)]

S!

Nice video. Liked most of it except maybe the a tad bit overdone reflections or "glittering". Should be there but maybe not as pronounced. WIP so I think you guys still tweak things :D Thanks for the hard work!

I live in southeast London. I can see the sun glints off aircraft flying over Kenington/ Oval on their way in to Heathrow as plain as day when the sun is at the right angle. that's 3.5km away.

Granted these aircraft are quite large, but it only takes a tiny surface to reflect the sun, if the angle is right. Also, when flying over Germany on a clear day (as I often do) I can see reflections from the windows of houses very clearly from cruising altitude - above 30,000ft.

To me, the patch video looks just right.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I agree, seen glints too quite far away. But the game engine has limitations and stuff how far it draws things I presume. And it is easy to overdo an effect, kind of making it too big and "bloomy" within the range it is displayed. I hope you got the idea :) I for sure welcome the new spotting mechanic as it was really hard to see a plane in CoD even close up. In this area an another game fares much better, but let me leave it there and not opening a can of worms :D I just think that sensible and well done quality modding will save CoD, not the amount of it.

[ATAG_Septic]

S!

but let me leave it there and not opening a can of worms :D I just think that sensible and well done quality modding will save CoD, not the amount of it.

You're not "opening a can of worms" at all Flanker. Yours is a valid and useful point and it's good to see constructive observations like yours. :salute:

Cheers,

Septic.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Thanks :) All I want is the best for flight sims and I am a firm believer in less is more. Not all the eye candy in the world can cover a pile of nothingness, but a solid product will strive even with less eye candy as it immerses the user. So let's see what else TF has in it's sleeves hidden for the future :D

[92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)]

Thanks :) All I want is the best for flight sims and I am a firm believer in less is more. Not all the eye candy in the world can cover a pile of nothingness, but a solid product will strive even with less eye candy as it immerses the user. So let's see what else TF has in it's sleeves hidden for the future :D

hear hear! agreed entirely!

And welcome along, by the way ;)
It's a quite constructive place around here, a refreshing change actually ';)

[ATAG_Colander]

Hi Flanker,

The main objective of the first release is massive improvements to the FMs. There has been work going on in parallel to the FM work which includes, but is not limited to, eye candy.
What I'm trying to say is that the intention was/is to work on many things, each at it's own pace in an attempt to produce, as you say, quality and not quantity.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Good news indeed :) And I like the approach quality over quantity. This sim has the graphics to stand test of time for quite a bit still and with improvements coming it will further so, as did original IL-2 :) Thanks for the welcomes, really feels different than in the "other forums" where it was like a zoo at times :D

[ATAG_Bliss]

I only wish it were possible to reserve seats on the server! It's bound to be busy, maybe server 2 also????!

Yeah, Server #2 will be back open for normal play. We all want to be able to play this as much as you do. Some people need a well deserved break!! :D

[HolyGrail]

Hi Flanker35M ,
Thank you for feedback , nice to see you here and welcome ! :thumbsup:

:)

[nynek]

Dear Team Fusion
Watching video I came to the conclusion that this stage of graphic tweeking is perfect for me. Sky finally looks like a sky. What I'm going to do now is to beg You Guys to "UNFOCUS" area which isn't important to the mission at hand.
Please add some haze or smog http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1095564. Holly Grail for me is to cry in drunken stupor whether that thing which shot me down was human or AI.

[Flanker35M]

S!

HG :) Good to see you in the Team Fusion! The effects are in good hands :D One question...Does TF have a road map how to work in CoD? I know it is early to ask and the task must be big so answer if you feel like it :)

[Mysticpuma]

I think this is how the Road Map will look once the community add their thoughts ;)

2276

[BH_woodstock]

Totally blown away by this..Cheers to all involved.thank you.

[fruitbat]

ARRRRRRGGGGGGGG, the suspense is killing me.

However, its probably good for me that it isn't out this weekend, as i've got to build a blue template for a SEOW campaign for il2 this weekend, and if this is released this weekend, i'll have 29 angry squadmates saying why can't we fly next week!

Can't wait, thanks TF.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

I doubt I will even be able to play CoD when the patch comes out!

My 8 year old son has discovered that he can make dinosaurs in mine craft and stupidly I installed the mod!

I will never beable to get computer time again!
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May be time for a new system build! Just need to find some money. Hmmm! Where exactly are those fishnets stockings hiding??????

[ATAG_Colander]

Where exactly are those fishnets stockings hiding??????

If you don't find them you can always get a used lower end PC for your son :D

[Moggy]

I think this is how the Road Map will look once the community add their thoughts ;)

2276

I like how they stuck RAF roundels on the map showing pilots the best bars to drink in, very thoughtful of them!

[I/JG53_Friedric]

:thumbsup:

I am realy,realy glad that we have such devoted community thats making CLOD how it should be .

I am gona donate when i updated my PayPal account

You guys makes me fly CLOD again , and i am come from the DCS sims.

Is this vid posted yet on Youtube , it should be so other people nows that CLOD is very wel alive .

(i posted the Team Fusion updated on our forum is that a problem ? )

[vosk]

Team Fusion, guys! You rock! Super patch! Thank you for your are serious, professional, gently and lovingly set up the patch! http://forum.rmmedia.ru/images/smilies/kolob/tender.gif Now we believe you! And waiting for your next developments!
From Russia with love!
With respect to you! Always your Drinkins!
(went to look 20$ for donations... :)) )

[Blitzen]

'S won'erfull...won'erfull ! :)

[Dragoon47]

What are the names of the music tracks on the video?