Model changes to existing planes & new planes?

[Blitzen]

This is just an I-am-curious kind of question:will it ever be possible ( or even contemplated) that the taleneted modders here will tackle some model changes in some of the existing planes? Most obvious would be an "upgrade" to the Ju-88A-1 to the A-4 as was planned by !C in the now tanked Russian Front expansion,but I thought too of cannon equpped Spitfires ( there was one frustrated squadron that had them during the Battle of Britain.)
People have also mentioned making the current AI planes flyable ,but I wonder if the sim &/or the difficulty of modding high quality cockpits makes this task a dream?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/2012-08-15_00003.jpg
Finally,what about all new aircraft? Origanlly 1C promised almost every BoB plane would eventually be released,for nearly every mission.We all know that dream is dead,but my question is that given the time & dedication might we see a coulple of more aircraft? ( From long ago & far away:)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/He-59C-2_01.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/He-59C-2_02.jpg

Just wondering ..( I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdjf4lMmiiI )

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Salute Blitzen

The easiest way for us to move forward is to work with the existing models, either adding new 3D ockpits to make the non-flyables flyable, or slightly modifying the 3D model for existing planes, (for example, Spit IIA to Spit IIB) to create additional aircraft.

Whether all the existing aircraft will be converted is up to question, some would require an enormous amount of work, but would probably not be used much by the community. (Sunderland is an example)

Even the relatively simple task of creating a new cockpit is a long process, we understand the modellers working with 1C required approx. 3-4 months, you can expect we will take longer as we are learning the method, without having the benefit of an exact set of instructions as to how to accomplish this.

We are in the development stage for this type of work, we do not expect to see new cockpits for the next release, likely they are six months away.

Thanks


This is just an I-am-curious kind of question:will it ever be possible ( or even contemplated) that the taleneted modders here will tackle some model changes in some of the existing planes? Most obvious would be an "upgrade" to the Ju-88A-1 to the A-4 as was planned by !C in the now tanked Russian Front expansion,but I thought too of cannon equpped Spitfires ( there was one frustrated squadron that had them during the Battle of Britain.)
People have also mentioned making the current AI planes flyable ,but I wonder if the sim &/or the difficulty of modding high quality cockpits makes this task a dream?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/2012-08-15_00003.jpg
Finally,what about all new aircraft? Origanlly 1C promised almost every BoB plane would eventually be released,for nearly every mission.We all know that dream is dead,but my question is that given the time & dedication might we see a coulple of more aircraft? ( From long ago & far away:)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/He-59C-2_01.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/He-59C-2_02.jpg

Just wondering ..( I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdjf4lMmiiI )

[Blitzen]

Thanks Buzzsaw...I'm in no hurry really ...just wondering...but still "Top Men..."?:-)

[Uwe]

Shoot 6 months is better than I expected. I optimistically expected new flyables for at least a year.
Lots of other things that need to be addressed at this point.

[Blitzen]

Shoot 6 months is better than I expected. I optimistically expected new flyables for at least a year.
Lots of other things that need to be addressed at this point.
I agree and in the meanwhile I'm having a ball with the modded game.If I ever needed to do something new I could try tackling the Bombers on full real...that would take some time!:thumbsup:


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jamesdietz/Screenshots/shot_20130211_215034_zps903c9b63.png

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Salute

There will be new planes sooner than six months, but they will not be aircraft with newly created cockpits.

The additions in our next release will be new versions of existing flyable aircraft.

We hope to have these available in the summer.

[Uwe]

I dont mean to pry, and Im sure you will tell me to sod off if I am, but are the E-7 and Mk V spit on the short list?

It would SEEM that they would be easily modified (closed spinner on the E-7 and cannons for the Mk V and some nose work?) but I know these things are always more difficult than they seem to the layman!

[Wolf]

I am sure new planes or variations will be on the short list once we have the ability to extract and then re-import models. Or once we have the knowledge of all naming hierarchy required during model build to import to CLOD.

This is the hard part as Planes have hundreds of parts in 3ds Max world, all with very specific naming characters which are governed by the maddox.dll

So it maybe some time.....

Once we have the knowledge then I am sure there will be a flood of planes closely governed to ensure accuracy.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

I dont mean to pry, and Im sure you will tell me to sod off if I am, but are the E-7 and Mk V spit on the short list?

It would SEEM that they would be easily modified (closed spinner on the E-7 and cannons for the Mk V and some nose work?) but I know these things are always more difficult than they seem to the layman!

E-7, yes, Spit V, no. Until we get the 109F, it would not be appropriate to bring the Spit V into the planeset. The Spit IIB would be appropriate as an opponent for the E-7.

[Uwe]

:(
But but but...we need cannons!
:D

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

:(
But but but...we need cannons!
:D

Spitfire IIB had cannon, same armament as the Spit VB.

[Uwe]

You funny Buzzsaw.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Just a question to TF. If you would make for example the Spitfire Mk.Ib with the "cannons of frustration" would it require changes in the cockpit of the Spitfire Mk.Ia? Or just external change for the wings to have appropriate bulges, shell casing holes and systems added to the DM? And does this apply to Bf109E-7 for example, how much does the cockpit differ from E-4? Externally not that much, minute details it seems. Just a few questions..

[310_cibule]

.... Even the relatively simple task of creating a new cockpit is a long process, we understand the modellers working with 1C required approx. 3-4 months, you can expect we will take longer as we are learning the method, without having the benefit of an exact set of instructions as to how to accomplish this.


Would it help if the community collect money to pay a designer? We did it (within our not very big but dedicated two national communities - Czech and Slovak) many years ago to get Avia B-534 in the original Il2. And it worked.

[Robo.]

S!

Just a question to TF. If you would make for example the Spitfire Mk.Ib with the "cannons of frustration" would it require changes in the cockpit of the Spitfire Mk.Ia? Or just external change for the wings to have appropriate bulges, shell casing holes and systems added to the DM? And does this apply to Bf109E-7 for example, how much does the cockpit differ from E-4? Externally not that much, minute details it seems. Just a few questions..

Cockpits were identical on the Spitfires, for E-7, we can use the E-4/B.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

S!

Just a question to TF. If you would make for example the Spitfire Mk.Ib with the "cannons of frustration"....

We won't be making Spit Ib, it is too much work for a plane which wasn't used very much, and we would have to write code for malfunctioning weapons.

Much more important work to do on other more commonly used aircraft.

[Mysticpuma]

Much more important work to do on other more commonly used aircraft.

Does that mean the P-51, P-47, P-38, P-40, B-17, B-24, B-25 and B-26 ? I'm sure if I try I can find some evidence on Wikipedia that they took part in the battle of Britain! Hang on, while I load Wikipedia and make a couple of informal but crucial changes to the pages :D

Cheers, MP

[Blitzen]

Does that mean the P-51, P-47, P-38, P-40, B-17, B-24, B-25 and B-26 ? I'm sure if I try I can find some evidence on Wikipedia that they took part in the battle of Britain! Hang on, while I load Wikipedia and make a couple of informal but crucial changes to the pages :D

Cheers, MP
Oh that's good ...very good!!!:D

[Meusli]

Does that mean the P-51, P-47, P-38, P-40, B-17, B-24, B-25 and B-26 ? I'm sure if I try I can find some evidence on Wikipedia that they took part in the battle of Britain! Hang on, while I load Wikipedia and make a couple of informal but crucial changes to the pages :D

Cheers, MP

You missed the Lancaster off that list, it shot down many Luftwaffe during the BOB. :D

[heinkill]

On the theme of pipe dreams...

I would pay good money for a mod that gave me a Whirlybird! I have always wanted to fly one of these in a good sim, and see how it performs compared with the Bf110C and Beaufighter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Westland_whirlwind.jpg

Such a nice looking machine, 4 x 20mm cannon(!), and apparently as fast low down as a Hurricane, but short ranged (not a problem if it is operating over Britain and France though) and its Peregrine engines were poor at altitude. It lost out to the Beaufighter as a heavy fighter/fighter-bomber which was a better all rounder, but its pilots loved it, by all reports and it packed a heck of a punch.

But it was only fielded by one non-combat squadron during the BoB, and only two squadrons in total, so I've never seen it in a sim.

It would be nice!

http://i32.tinypic.com/14me1du.jpg

[Uwe]

I hope for a watts prop hurricane first.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Hello Heinkill

I am sorry, but it is extremely unlikely we will see a Whirlwind.

The amount of work required to do a new aircraft for CoD is such that we need to prioritize the more common types. Otherwise it will not be possible to move forward.


On the theme of pipe dreams...

I would pay good money for a mod that gave me a Whirlybird! I have always wanted to fly one of these in a good sim, and see how it performs compared with the Bf110C and Beaufighter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Westland_whirlwind.jpg

Such a nice looking machine, 4 x 20mm cannon(!), and apparently as fast low down as a Hurricane, but short ranged (not a problem if it is operating over Britain and France though) and its Peregrine engines were poor at altitude. It lost out to the Beaufighter as a heavy fighter/fighter-bomber which was a better all rounder, but its pilots loved it, by all reports and it packed a heck of a punch.

But it was only fielded by one non-combat squadron during the BoB, and only two squadrons in total, so I've never seen it in a sim.

It would be nice!

http://i32.tinypic.com/14me1du.jpg

[Ohms]

:( I have all liked the look of the westland whirlwind.

[Ohms]

Make that always liked the look

[heinkill]

Hello Heinkill

I am sorry, but it is extremely unlikely we will see a Whirlwind.

The amount of work required to do a new aircraft for CoD is such that we need to prioritize the more common types. Otherwise it will not be possible to move forward.

i know Buzz...but a man can dream. I like to imagine it as a proto-P38. A schwalbe without the blower. A twin engined Tiffy.

One day... when 777BoS has done every other WW2 kite as a paid add on, maybe, maybe...

[Blitzen]

It seems to me I remember a developement thread for this plane being quite far along for modded Il-2 over at either SAS or AAS.It had quite an enthusiastic fan gallery, but somehow it never appeared...perhaps its still in developement & will be flyable over on one of Il-2's Channel maps? Not quite the same but it could still be fun!