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ATAG_Lewis
Aug-06-2013, 12:07
New TEAM FUSION patches here:


There are currently five patches to download, the 3.00 patch, the 3.01 minipatch, the 4.00 patch, the 4.3 patch and 4.312 minipatch. These can be reviewed and downloaded from here;
http://teamfusion.theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/

Here is a step by step video describing how these patches are installed:


http://youtu.be/xewfAma7GJA

INSTALLING TEAM FUSION PATCHES

Install retail version via Steam.

Five patches are needed from the ATAG forum.

Create a folder with five sub-folders for the patches.

Install 7-zip from

http://www.7-zip.org (http://www.7-zip.org/)

Extract the patches to the folders you made for them.

Run the Mod Installer 3.0 application from inside the folder you made for it and follow the instructions.

Run Cliffs of Dover and select any quick mission. Load and briefly run the game as Administrator by R-click on the game launcher. Check for the new game version number in red in the bottom right of the main game screen, at this stage it should read 3.0

Exit game and run the small Mod Installer 3.01 application. Run Cliffs of Dover briefly again as Administrator.

Exit the game and run the larger Mod Installer 4.00 application. Run Cliffs of Dover briefly again as Administrator.

Exit the game and run 4.3 Mod Installer application. Run Cliffs of Dover briefly again as Administrator.

Exit the game and run 4.312 Mod Installer application. Run Cliffs of Dover. You can now play on the ATAG server.

Quick Version

Download and install the five patches sequentially running the game once in between each patch

:)

**IMPORTANT**

1) In the in-game Video settings, make sure "Epilepsy Filter" is unchecked. (ie. disabled). Otherwise, you'll get a psychedelic effect in the cockpit!!!*

*NOTE: This applies to Windows 7 users. Thanks to forum member SwizCheez for discovering this, initial results indicate that if Windows 8.1 players check the "Epilepsy Filter" option that gameplay in Multiplayer smooths out dramatically.

2) In the in-game Realism settings, make sure "Anthromorphic Effects" is unchecked. (ie. disabled). This is a glitchy feature that frequently causes your joystick/throttle controls to freeze up.

3) Clear you game cache regularly by deleting the folder 'cache'.The game will make a new folder when it is started. You will find the 'cache' folder here :
Documents \ 1C SoftClub \ il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover - MOD \ cache

4) Turn Off 'Steam Cloud' by unchecking the 'Enable Steam Cloud sync.' box. First open 'Steam' and go to :
STEAM > Library > All Games > IL2 Sturmovik:Cliffs Of Dover (right Click) > Properties > Updates > Steam Cloud > (Uncheck Box) Enable Steam Cloud synchronization for IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover.

5) If you encounter any issue with your installation there is a process you can run within STEAM that will get your game back to the vanilla level (before any patches). From this you can then re-install your patches from scratch. You can do this as often as you need. The process is called 'Verify integrity of game cache' and here is how you do this:

Open STEAM and Go to.... STEAM > LIBRARY > All Games > IL2 Sturmovik: Cliffs Of Dover (right click) > Properties > Local Files > Verify Integrity of Game Cache.

Problems With Installation and Setup

Some players experience issues with their installation and/or setup. Please check these Master lists below to first (and see Snappers post below this one).

Problem Master Lists

Problem Master List (1) (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4123)

Problem Master List (2) (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7923)

If your problem can not be seen amongst these common problem lists then please start a new thread in these forums with your specific issue detailed and a list of your PC spec. Please try not to PM individuals with problems relating to installation or setup as you will only get one opinion and it doesn't help others who may have the same or related issue. We have a very helpful community of experienced flight simmers here who are very keen to see new players enjoying this sim so do not hesitate with any questions you have even if you think them to be naive, we were all there once.

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Cliffs Of Dover Introduction

Still struggling with CLOD even after weeks. Over heating aircraft, losing the enemy in dogfights, crashing on landings and take-offs, not being able to locate enemies. Well for anyone new to CLOD there are a few tips and helps that will give you the basic knowledge to master this immersive flight sim sooner rather than later.

The beauty of IL-2 Cliffs of Dover is that it is the most comprehensive and realistic WWII combat flight sim there is at present and in being so has many different aspects to learn and master. In this tutorial I have tried to bring the first and most important things to light for new fliers without being intimidating or daunting. This guide will cut hours out of your learning process and get you in the air fighting with the best very quickly.

Remember that vets are still learning too and that the learning process is also part of the fun of any game or sim.

The passages below are broken down into the main groups but not necessarily in an order of importance.

Joining an Online Server

This can be tricky for first time players as it is not altogether intuitive. So first start your game then on the first Menu screen Hit:


Multiplayer

Client

Click on the desired server: ATAG's Axis vs Allies(TF Patch)

Join Server

Click on a Flag. This will put your flag of choice in a red box and also highlight all the available airstrips on the map. The available airstrips will now be white.

Click on a white airstrip. A default aircraft will now appear in the right side of the screen. This is the arcraft that you will spawn in if you hit 'Create'. In order to select a different aircraft you will need to hit 'Plane'. this brings up the 'Plane Options' page. Clicking the name of the aircraft at the top will bring up a window with the choice of aircraft at that particular airstrip. You can scroll down to the choices and hit the aircraft you would like to fly. (NOTE that airstrips may well have different aircraft choices so it is sometimes wise to try other airstrips before you finally make a selection.) Double clicking on the your selected aircraft in this window will select that aircraft and close the window. Now hit 'Ok' and on the 'Client Briefing' screen hit:

Create

You should now be on an airstrip in an aircraft. To change the aircraft or modify load out, fuel / ammunition / convergence settings you need to hit 'Esc' to bring up the game menu and choose 'Plane' and then 'Loadout'. Hitting 'Ok' and then 'Fly' will bring you back to your aircraft on the airstrip. BEWARE - You can NOT do this if you are airbourne.



Personalising Your Aircraft

There are options in game for personalising your aircraft including fuel, gun convergences and ammunition types. For the purposes of simply getting a new pilot up and running I would advise only to adjust the fuel and leave the rest as default settings. 70% Fuel is a good start for most fighter aircraft as it gives enough for a lengthy sortie but low enough that it is not a hinderence to flight characteristics at the beginning of the flight and takeoff.

You can access the fuel option once you are in a server by hitting the 'Plane' tab on the 'CLIENT BRIEFING' screen and then 'Loadout' tab on the 'PLANE OPTION' screen. you can then slide the fuel slider to the desired amount and hit 'OK' and 'Fly' to bring you back into the game.

Dedicating Essential Keys

To any player new to a full real dogfighting sim and server dedication of keys may seem a very daunting process. In Cliffs of Dover there are over 700 dedicatable keys and axes. However of all the keys that are available for dedication only a few (around 36) are actually essential for competent game play. Knowing which ones these are and where they are will greatly reduce your time doing this sometimes laborious process and get you in the air flying a lot sooner. Remember dedicating keys is a personal choice too, as to where they go on your devices and keyboard is entirely up to you. Spend time flying and re-arranging your keys as you realise when and if you need them during flights and dogfighting, this is the only way to find out. Also as with any learning process the more you fly the more you will become accustomed to where the important keys are at hand until it becomes second nature.

Below are the essential keys for dedication in order as they are in the game 'Controls' list. This list does not include keys dedicated for bombers. It is an introductory list to ease new players into the game to get them in the air and therefore only the more common aircraft from both sides are chosen for initial key dedication, the Bf109 and Spitfire.


KEYS

General

Bail Out
Toggle Canopy (Spits and Hurris)
Jettison Canopy (Bf109)
Toggle Gunsight Illumination
Map

Aircraft

Trim Elevator Nose-Up
Trim Elevator Nose-Down
Trim Rudder Right
Trim Rudder Left
Toggle Landing Flaps
Lower Landing Flaps Position (Bf109)
Raise Landing Flap Position (Bf109)
Toggle Undercarriage
Full Wheel Brakes
Fire Guns (Machine Guns + Cannon)
Toggle Selected Engine(s)
Close Radiator
Open Radiator
Close Oil Radiator (Bf109)
Open Oil Radiator (Bf109)
Boost Cut-Out (Spits and Hurris)
Decrease Propellor Pitch
Increase Propellor Pitch
Toggle Propellor Pitch Automation (Bf109-E4)
Fuel Cock #1 - Toggle

View

External View (For use on servers with external views)
Inside View(For use on servers with external views)
External Padlock - Enemy Aircraft (For use on servers with external views)
External Padlock - Friendly Aircraft (For use on servers with external views)
External View - Cycle Enemy Aircraft (For use on servers with external views)
External View - Cycle Friendly Aircraft (For use on servers with external views)
Lean to Gunsight (Zoom - Bf109)

Camera

Field Of View 30' (Zoom - Spit and Hurri)
Field Of View 90'

Pan Views and Snap Views (These are dictated by the Hat switch on your Joystick or TrackIR if you have it)

Chat

Toggle Net Stats(For Online Gaming)

AXES

Aircraft

Aileron
Elevator
Rudder
Throttle

Aircraft Control


The knowledge of the specific aircraft you are going to fly will help you be able to start, get off the ground ,fight and return to land in a full sortie over the combat area in CLOD. The knowledge you need for all aircraft can be found here in the 'Team Fusion Wiki' tab on the header of the main forum page:

Cliffs of Dover - Flight Manuals

http://www.theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/wiki/doku.php?id=start

There is a fully downloadable version here which is summarised into a chart for quick view whilst flying. It includes the Spitfire, Hurricane and Bf109 flight info:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5192&p=53378&viewfull=1#post53378

Do not be frightened to study this information as it is short ,concise and we have the advantage in the Battle of Britain theatre that there were very few models of aircraft involved. It may be good to print this information out so as it is close to hand whilst learning.

Bear in mind that it is also important to have some knowledge of your main adversaries aircraft. To know what your enemies weaknesses and advantages are will give you the insight as to whether to engage or run at the moment you have visual on them.

There are also many videos in Youtube designed to help new pilots and share information.

If you find reading a drag and not the ideal way for you to learn then TeamSpeak is a must for you (see 5) TeamSpeak).


TeamSpeak

The use of TeamSpeak for online gaming can in no way be overstated. It is the easiest and quickest way for knowledge from vets to new pilots to be transfered. Something explained on TS by a fellow flier in 30 seconds can take days or weeks of trolling and reading on your own so never under estimate the amount of info you will aquire using this free accessory. There will also inevitably be things that you are doing wrong that you were totally unaware of until someone points them out to you on TS and when that happens it feels like a revelation.

Most vets do not mind answering questions or even tutoring new enthusiastic players on flight sims so do not be shy to try it and ask questions. Even just listening will give you more relevent information to enhance your game play.

Also TeamSpeak is by far the best way to get information on the whereabouts of your foes. Remember that the main ATAG server is a full real server so there are no icons ingame or on the map to help you find the enemy. Flying around on a heavily populated server can still mean not seeing contacts for a long time if you don't know where to look and most players on teamspeak will instantly give grid references and altitude information the moment they see contacts.

Here is the TeamSpeak link to your free download:

http://www.teamspeak.com/

Once Teamspeak is installed on your PC connect to ATAGs Teamspeak server by clicking the link 'Teamspeak' on this page:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/index.php


Finding the Enemy in a Full Real server

Finding the enemy in a full real server is always a challenge. Here are a few tips to help you gather the information to enable you to find the enemy.

1) Briefing - Mission Briefing will give you an idea of where the tagets are in the game. There are often enemy around these targets waiting specifically to intercept hostile aircraft there. There are two ways to view mission briefings. [a) Whilst ingame you can hit 'Esc' and bring up the 'Client Briefing' menu page. In the top left you will see 2 options, 'Map' and 'Briefing'. Hit 'Briefing'. [b) Whilst ingame hit 'Map' and then right click the map. Options will appear and if you check 'Briefing' at the bottom you will have the brief for that particular mission. Uncheck 'Briefing' to bring you back to the map.

2) Info - There is information that can be aquired ingame whilst flying from 'Ground Control'. This will give you closest enemy contacts, fighters or bombers, heading, distance from you and how many there are 'gaggle' or 'lone aircraft'. You can aquire this information by hitting 'Tab' to bring up an options screen, then hitting '7.Ground Control' and then hitting '1. Request Targets'-.

Here's a quick tutorial on using the Spitfire and Hurricane compass to do this:


http://youtu.be/8-p8Iot0W6M

3) Teamspeak - This is by far the best way to get enemy contacts information. See section 5) Teamspeak

4) Vision and situation awareness - Given that if you have the same ability to spot the enemy as he has, if both of you are in the same area then it is a 50/50 who spots who first. This means that 50% of the time he will get on your 6 oclock before you even know he is in your vacinity. Therefore it is highly important to check your own 6 on a regular basis. This skill will improve with time and experience.

Also keep lookout around your whole aircraft. As in real life, DO NOT fly straight and level for long periods without changing your direction to spot aircraft that may be stalking you.

5) Flak - For new players who are honing their skills it may be a good idea to stay on home turf. The advantage of this is that your allied Flak guns will often spot enemy aircraft and start throwing up black Flak in the area of the E/A. When an E/A is closer to the ground then home defences start to fire more accurate white flak. This is a clearer indication of where the E/A actually is.


Hardware

Hardware you use for CLOD or any flight sim is one of the most important criteria for any competent player. Other than your actual PC which we can assume you have that plays CLOD your next important allie is your joystick. There have been numerous pages of discussion on joysticks over the years and most opinions seem to stem from personal preferences rather than actual objective facts. However there are a few basic rules you can follow when picking your setup.

Input Devices

a) Joysticks, Throttles and Pedals

When picking a joystick it is best to bear in mind what ideal setup you would like ie. with or without HOTAS (HOTAS - Hand On Throttle And STick - in other words seperate throttle and stick) or use of rudder pedals. The motives for choosing will rely on budget and space. Most vets in the flight sim genre tend to opt for the HOTAS setup as it gives a more immersive feel to your gaming experience and usually (depending on model) gives you more buttons (and sometimes sliders)to hand whilst being able to use the throttle. The alternative is no seperate throttle and a slider on the joystick which usually does not have many buttons in the local area for quick access. This can be a disadvantage when many buttons and sliders are needed quickly as in a dogfight, but not imperative. I know vets that don't use HOTAS and fly and combat very successfully.

Hat switches in the thumb area of a joystick are important if a player does not use a Head tracking Device (see c). If a head tracker is not used the hat switch on your joystick is essential for viewing your surroundings and locating enemy.

Most joysticks can be setup in a program outside of the sim either by the manufacturer of the product or by independent programs. This takes experience and for the most part is something that players do when they have mastered most other aspects of the game. For New flyers joystick sensitivity settings are best left in the default mode.

Bear in mind that some vets have likened flying with a new joystick 'like learning to fly again', so give your new joystick anything from a few hours to weeks to get use to.

Again when picking a joystick it is best to do your homework. Read reviews and talk to CLOD players on TS.

Popular joystick models (All have twist grip for rudder) :

Microsoft Sidewinder 2
Saitek X52 (HOTAS)
Logiteck Extreme 3D

Here is a comprehensive PDF on joystick key setups and key alocation.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ci87ohli68s5ekk

b) Rudder Pedals

Rudder pedals are another option that can be helpful. The alternative is either a twist grip on your joystick or a paddle (on the throttle of some early HOTAS systems). With the information gathered in this area it seems to be that there is little evidence that rudder pedals as oppose to twist joystick make a pilot better, however they undoubtabley make the flying experience more realistic.

c) Head Tracking Devices

Head tracking devices are input devices that track the movement of your head and then use a small program to adjust the ingame view accordingly. They make flying in CLOD a more immersive feel however again they do not make a better pilot. Using the hat switch for your views ingame will not be detrimental to your locating enemy and dogfighting if you are accustomed to using it.

The main head tracking device is Trackir by NaturalPoint which can be a little pricey especially considering that it is predominantly a game immersive device rather than a help. For those that have some basic knowledge of electronics and don't mind tinkering a head tracker can be made from budget parts together with a free program called 'Freeview'. Check Youtube for 'How tos' on this option.

There is also a free program available that simply uses a webcams input to track your head. This is called 'FaceTrackNoir' and if not the best headtracking system will certainly give you an idea of what headtracking is about and wether or not it is for you.

Check youtube videos of CLOD to see how head tracking devices look ingame.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AO0F5sLdVM


Ingame Windows

Setting up your own personal ingame windows properly will help you be aware of any information as it happens. For this reason when setting them up a player needs the knowledge of what is important and what is irrelevent. There is a thorough tutorial here to help you learn how to setup your ingame windows and a basic windows option to get you started without too much bother.

http://www.theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/wiki/doku.php?id=info_windows




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If any of you are or have been struggling to work out how to take to the air in your favourite ride, Chuck_Owl has produced an incredibly detailed guide for new and experienced players to read.


Chuck has done this all in his own time but the result is an incredibly polished and professional guide that would have been worthy of being released as a manual when this sim came out.


To check it out and download (for free) either the entire guide or just the parts for your chosen ride, please visit:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16592



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All the information above will get you upto spec with your fellow fliers, however there is no substitute for 'feel' which can only be aquired through the hours that you put into this sim.

I hope this has been a help for the new pilots and please feel free to give feedback on things missed or wrong so as this guide can be rectified and so be better informed for our new pilots in the community.

You can leave feedback here:

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5143&p=52737#post52737

With Thanks

...lew...

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-06-2013, 12:14
I still need help with the 'Dedicating Essential Keys' section of the above guide....There are over 700 dedicatable keys in CLOD and I have narrowed them down to the 32 that I use for flying the spit to speed up the key dedication process for new players....However, I do need a vet who flys the 109 to come forth and let us know which keys they think are essential for flying the 109..

Thanks in advance

Royraiden
Aug-06-2013, 12:22
I could add "Prop pitch automation toggle" to the list.Only works in the 109 E-4 and E4-N variants though.But since it is almost always available on the ATAG server and considering that over revving the engine is one of the most common problems for people starting to fly the 109 I think that starting out with the automatic prop pitch is a lot easier.Excellent guide by the way, I would had loved to have something similar when I started.

ATAG_Colander
Aug-06-2013, 12:28
Besides Zoom in/out (and "lean to gunsight" if trackir is not used), a beginner 109 pilot can open the rads full (oil and water) using the mouse and fly without worrying about them during flight.
The keys needed during flight are:
- Prop Pitch up/Down
- Toggle Prop automation for the E4s (mainly due to the bug where before takeoff it has to be turned off, PP moved a bit and then back on).
- Fire Guns 1 (nose guns)
- Fire Guns 2 (wing guns)


If more keys are wanted (but can be done with the mouse)...
- Gear, note that there are 3 positions, namelly Down, Neutral and Up. The key will cycle between them (i.e. to bring the gear up from down position, the key has to be pressed twice)
- Flaps up/Flaps down. The flaps extend/retract as long as the key is kept pressed as in real life, it is a wheel that is turned to extend/retract the flaps.
- Elevator Trim Up/Down. Constant adjustment is needed as the speed changes.

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-06-2013, 12:34
Thanks Roy...DONE!

Rgrt Col...DONE!....as for the lean to gunsight, I have included 'Field of View 30' above as it does the same thing and there's no delay...

and the 109 prop auto bug..horrido!

ATAG_Colander
Aug-06-2013, 12:46
Thanks Roy...DONE!

Rgrt Col...I think I have most of those....as for the lean to gunsight, I have included 'Field of View 30' above as it does the same thing and there's no delay...

and the 109 prop auto bug..horrido!

FOV is the same in zoom but remember the sight in the 109 is not centered!

Royraiden
Aug-06-2013, 12:53
FOV is the same in zoom but remember the sight in the 109 is not centered!

Colander is right, I use Track IR and also use the lean to gun sight command , it just makes it easier.

III./ZG76_Saipan
Aug-06-2013, 13:58
I would add TAB-7-1, i am not sure if new people know it works, perhaps TAB-7-2 also.

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-06-2013, 15:29
Rgrt....Lean to gunsight added...Done!!

saip....What is TAB-7...more info please....and is it an essential key?

III./ZG76_Saipan
Aug-06-2013, 15:44
Rgrt....Lean to gunsight added...Done!!

saip....What is TAB-7...more info please....and is it an essential key?


just in game radar. you had mentioned it was hard to find the enemy. if new players use that, they will get bearings to enemy planes. tab-7-2 is bearing to the airport they took off from. helpful if the get lost.

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-06-2013, 21:11
Saipan...I didn't know about that..It sounds pretty good....Big Thanks..

Injerin
Aug-06-2013, 22:22
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, I'm at work and in a hurry :P , But what about gun loadouts on Spits? I kinda remember it being a bit tricky using the editor, not sure if this is fixed due to mine already being set-up.

Dutch
Aug-06-2013, 23:43
It's quite possible that I'm far too drunk to say anything. So I will.

I'm totally ambivalent toward this business of new players. No-one showed me how to do it, I found out for myself, because I cared. It's a great idea to post everything everywhere so the poor virginal gaming initiates won't have such a hard time as we did. The poor dears.

Trouble is, if you don't know already how to fly a combat flight sim, when you arrive at 'Cliffs of Dover' you're on a hiding to nothing due to its complexity. Come to that, if you have no idea how an aeroplane works at all, but you like Spitfires, you're f**ked.

There has to be a certain level of commitment, enthusiasm, interest, before you even buy the game. If you buy the game because it's cheap and you like Spitfires, you're going to last less than seconds. Even offline on the simplest of settings (but when you shoot down a Heinkel in the Bomber Intercept Mission, you'll think you're a bloody hero), you will struggle.

Gaaah. On the other hand, I sometimes hate myself for the way I think. Sorry Chaps, but sometimes i wonder why all these new players we're trying to attract weren't gagging for the opportunity to buy it in the first place. Unless of course they've only just discovered a hair on their ball bag.

This is one of those posts I'll regret tomorrow I should think. :D

Royraiden
Aug-07-2013, 00:07
It's quite possible that I'm far too drunk to say anything. So I will.

I'm totally ambivalent toward this business of new players. No-one showed me how to do it, I found out for myself, because I cared. It's a great idea to post everything everywhere so the poor virginal gaming initiates won't have such a hard time as we did. The poor dears.

Trouble is, if you don't know already how to fly a combat flight sim, when you arrive at 'Cliffs of Dover' you're on a hiding to nothing due to its complexity. Come to that, if you have no idea how an aeroplane works at all, but you like Spitfires, you're f**ked.

There has to be a certain level of commitment, enthusiasm, interest, before you even buy the game. If you buy the game because it's cheap and you like Spitfires, you're going to last less than seconds. Even offline on the simplest of settings (but when you shoot down a Heinkel in the Bomber Intercept Mission, you'll think you're a bloody hero), you will struggle.

Gaaah. On the other hand, I sometimes hate myself for the way I think. Sorry Chaps, but sometimes i wonder why all these new players we're trying to attract weren't gagging for the opportunity to buy it in the first place. Unless of course they've only just discovered a hair on their ball bag.

This is one of those posts I'll regret tomorrow I should think. :D

I seriously hope you will in fact regret writing this post Dutch :-P Nothing wrong with new pilots coming in,for example I came back after I knew about Team Fusion,when I tried the sim after the patch I started enjoying this sim and have been doing just that till the present.

Injerin
Aug-07-2013, 00:10
It's quite possible that I'm far too drunk to say anything. So I will.

I'm totally ambivalent toward this business of new players. No-one showed me how to do it, I found out for myself, because I cared. It's a great idea to post everything everywhere so the poor virginal gaming initiates won't have such a hard time as we did. The poor dears.

Trouble is, if you don't know already how to fly a combat flight sim, when you arrive at 'Cliffs of Dover' you're on a hiding to nothing due to its complexity. Come to that, if you have no idea how an aeroplane works at all, but you like Spitfires, you're f**ked.

There has to be a certain level of commitment, enthusiasm, interest, before you even buy the game. If you buy the game because it's cheap and you like Spitfires, you're going to last less than seconds. Even offline on the simplest of settings (but when you shoot down a Heinkel in the Bomber Intercept Mission, you'll think you're a bloody hero), you will struggle.

Gaaah. On the other hand, I sometimes hate myself for the way I think. Sorry Chaps, but sometimes i wonder why all these new players we're trying to attract weren't gagging for the opportunity to buy it in the first place. Unless of course they've only just discovered a hair on their ball bag.

This is one of those posts I'll regret tomorrow I should think. :D


LOL, Dutch do those guys on your shoulders wrestle alot ? lol...

Anyway I think this is a good idea to bring all this info together instead of having it spread throughout the forums. With that being said, I don't think the whole point of this is to drag anyone into flight sims who don't want to be here lol (thats kidnapping), its for persons who may be interested in flight sims who feel a bit overwhelmed with it.

Anyway Dutch I got a good laugh :) Drink on....................

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-07-2013, 08:05
It's quite possible that I'm far too drunk to say anything. So I will.

I'm totally ambivalent toward this business of new players. No-one showed me how to do it, I found out for myself, because I cared. It's a great idea to post everything everywhere so the poor virginal gaming initiates won't have such a hard time as we did. The poor dears.

Trouble is, if you don't know already how to fly a combat flight sim, when you arrive at 'Cliffs of Dover' you're on a hiding to nothing due to its complexity. Come to that, if you have no idea how an aeroplane works at all, but you like Spitfires, you're f**ked.

There has to be a certain level of commitment, enthusiasm, interest, before you even buy the game. If you buy the game because it's cheap and you like Spitfires, you're going to last less than seconds. Even offline on the simplest of settings (but when you shoot down a Heinkel in the Bomber Intercept Mission, you'll think you're a bloody hero), you will struggle.

Gaaah. On the other hand, I sometimes hate myself for the way I think. Sorry Chaps, but sometimes i wonder why all these new players we're trying to attract weren't gagging for the opportunity to buy it in the first place. Unless of course they've only just discovered a hair on their ball bag.

This is one of those posts I'll regret tomorrow I should think. :D

Rgrt....I recognise that fact..and it is true...and a point worthy of debate also...and something that I already have contemplated...

However...there most certainly are folks out there that are very competent fliers who would love this sim but who have not tried it or know about it but put off by the bad press..or don't even know about it but would love it...A lot of these people may not even stay if they do come to try it...and we will NEVER recover the damage that was done on release of this sim...in fact we are swimming against an awfully big tide...There's no doubt we are the underdog

On the other hand what we are doing WILL have an effect...even if it attracts one more player...it will have an effect...and the likelyhood is by any stretch of the imagination that it will be a very small effect...but if we correct some of those bad reviews...overturn ratings on the 'worlds largest online retailing site' and others...make many positive movies about CLOD on youtube...welcome new players, encourage them, help them to discover and make it very easy for them to get involved with CLOD and the community...write about and post our videos on other flight sim community forums about how much we enjoy CLOD...and advertise ATAGS website and server whenever the opportunity presents itself...we will certainly have a better chance of making a bigger difference...

Ultimately we have a choice here....To do this...or not to do this...To me however small a difference we make there is still no question

---------------------------------------------------------

I'd just also like to make a couple of points to those of you that think that we should wait until the next patch or a future time...

What we do here WILL be lasting...The work we have all done so far will not be taken away from us..It can not be easily influenced by other people...The Amazon reviews... the positive movies...advertising...guides for new players...etc...they are all there to stay once the work is done...They will still be there through the release of this patch and every future patch there is...

It will also take time now those seeds are sown for word of mouth to extend that information to the Flight sim community anyway...it won't be instantanious...

Also the game is very much playable now...Future patches will make a difference but what we have at the moment is already great..to some of us the greatest WWII flight sim there has ever been upto now...and so wait for this patch...or the next patch...or the patch after that...so when?

Another point is we already have the momentum and enthusiasm now for this little campaign...to stop that now would be suicide...You will never regain that momentum...and we are on a time limit...people do not stay focused on this kind of thing forever...including me...pro-activity will stop until someone says 'GO'...and then it will be anticlimactic, stale and you'll have a big job rallying any troops again...

Also I get the feeling that folks think that what we are doing will have a massive influence....and it simply won't...What we are doing is we are tickling a giant beast...and then someone says...'Hey, don't tickle it now..tickle it later'...metaphorically of course...the point is that we are doing something so small scale it is not important to get the timing spot on...and as far as I know...you are only talking of a couple weeks anyway

...lew...

9./JG52 Ziegler
Aug-07-2013, 08:06
I could add "Prop pitch automation toggle" to the list.Only works in the 109 E-4 and E4-N variants though.But since it is almost always available on the ATAG server and considering that over revving the engine is one of the most common problems for people starting to fly the 109 I think that starting out with the automatic prop pitch is a lot easier.Excellent guide by the way, I would had loved to have something similar when I started.

Yep good one Roy. I still sometimes hit the auto pitch key if I get into a furball. Governor failure due to overspeed if probably the biggest problem after rads in a 109.

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-07-2013, 09:34
I would add TAB-7-1, i am not sure if new people know it works, perhaps TAB-7-2 also.

Saipan...I'm very interested in this TAB-7-1 thing but can not get it to work....When I hit TAB 7 I get a menu like this:

1. Recipient
2. Help Me
3. Maintain Radio Silence
4. Mission
5. Air Targets
6. Navigation
7. Ground Control
0. Back

I get other menus with options when I hit certain numbers on that list...but on the next menus I get no info when I hit corresponding numbers on them

The only thing I can think is that I do not have specific criteria in any of my ingame windows....Is that the problem?...if so what criteria do I need?

92 Sqn. Philstyle (QJ-P)
Aug-07-2013, 09:59
Saipan...I'm very interested in this TAB-7-1 thing but can not get it to work....When I hit TAB 7 I get a menu like this:

1. Recipient
2. Help Me
3. Maintain Radio Silence
4. Mission
5. Air Targets
6. Navigation
7. Ground Control
0. Back

I get other menus with options when I hit certain numbers on that list...but on the next menus I get no info when I hit corresponding numbers on them

The only thing I can think is that I do not have specific criteria in any of my ingame windows....Is that the problem?...if so what criteria do I need?

OK, to get the radio information use;

tab -> brings up the menu
select option 7 (ground control)
then select option 1

the server will then spit out some information about nearest enemies, and mission target.
You need to make sure that one of your information windows is showing the "voice" information.
"voice" is the stuff that the stupid guy says over the radio that's more-than-often unintelligible. I have voice volume turned off int he game audio options, but I have "voice" text showing in an info window instead.

clear?

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-07-2013, 10:52
Well..I just tried it and it worked....This is all new to me..Just shows how long you can play something and not know what maybe considered to be an essential part of the game....When I got the game the first thing I did was turn off the music...I like music but I wouldn't even listen to my own record collection that repetitively let alone someone elses...anyway, I turned down the voice at the same time...

I have configured a window to have 'voice' in it and now get the info I've been missing......Just figuring out how to use a 'macro' key so I don't have to do the 'Tab 7 7 1' thing...

I'll include it in the 'windows management guide'...and this one as soon as I get time..

Thanks for info..

...lew...

III./ZG76_Saipan
Aug-07-2013, 12:21
be careful as it will also send you static plane info sometimes. nothing i enjoy more than capping the kriegsmarine and charting the approach of a blenny.

Greywing
Aug-07-2013, 18:08
Hi Lewis,

Something I noticed last night while configuring my controls for the 109. I treid some advice from Sokol1 to put the Rads (Oil and Water) on an axis.

The Oil rad works smoothly as an axis. Wherever you set it it stays.

The water Rad does not. Moving the axis control to open will open the radiator until you recenter the axis or until it is fully open. I took it off the axis and put it on one of the toggles the X52 has. While I hold the toggle the cockpit lever will rotate and it stops when i let off the toggle. I did notice that the HUD Slider will go to fully open while the toggle is held to open and then recenter when the toggle is released. So the HUD slider is showing the control input rather than the Rad position (rad lever in the pit stays put where it was set). At least that is what I am seeing.

Cheers

Greywing

1lokos
Aug-07-2013, 20:43
Just figuring out how to use a 'macro' key so I don't have to do the 'Tab 7 7 1' thing...


With "Swiss" JoyToKey.

http://i41.tinypic.com/i6js5z.jpg

For some reason JoyTokey dont recognizes numbers in the same input, so I need use toggle function and press the button (5) 3 times to see Radar info.
At least help if you need ask the bearing for home instead, just press the button one time (Tab) and hit 2. :D

Sokol1

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-07-2013, 20:48
thanks Soko...Played around with it for a while and got it working as your screen shot....Is there a way to configure it so I only have to press the key once (like a Macro) instead of 3 times for each input?

Roblex
Aug-08-2013, 13:49
I did not say anything when it was first posted because I was sure someone else would leap in straight away but....

Am I the only person that thinks it odd to tell people to just spawn in whatever aircraft happens to come up by default when you choose the airfield then press 'esc' to change the aircraft or loadouts? Surely everyone chooses the airfield then selects an aircraft and loadouts *before* spawning onto the runway?

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-08-2013, 14:01
Good point Rob....I'll put that into the guide when I get time......It is something that I simply missed when I wrote it that needs to be put in there....I do need folks to 'proofread' the document for me as sometimes you don't see the wood for the trees when you are writing...especially when you have to do it from a beginners POV when you have experience with the sim...

Thanks Rob...

1lokos
Aug-08-2013, 14:27
thanks Soko...Played around with it for a while and got it working as your screen shot....Is there a way to configure it so I only have to press the key once (like a Macro) instead of 3 times for each input?



With JoyToKey I could not do. Seems that JoyTokey send commands too fast, so the game dont interprets the second (7) and third (1) key press.

Meanwhile I test with Xpadder (http://xpadder.com/) that have more macro ability than JoyTokey (more than 3 keys), allow set delays between key press... and the macro work fine. :thumbsup:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2lk47xj.jpg
Does not come with this "BoB" theme.:D
And the button layout is you who does (this one "mimics" CH F16 Fighterstick).

It's a bit more complicated (graphical GUI) to configure (than JoyToKey) but is not difficult at all.

Xpadder cost 2,99$ more than JoyToKey (but allow some trial).

Sokol1

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-08-2013, 14:50
Soko...I got Joykey to work with my CH Pro Throttle....I just hit the same key 3 times and it cyles to the voice chat info...just couldn't get it to do a macro....But I thought I saw an option on JoyKey to slow it down in milliseconds?

1lokos
Aug-08-2013, 15:44
CH Throttle? Use CH Mannanger*, this is supposed to be able to make coffee and open beer cans. :thumbsup:

I suggest JoyToKey because this "Frankenthrottle" in your signature. :D

I fiddle with this auto repeat, miliseconds... I could set a button to adjust gunsight range
to 250 feets with one keypress... but no luck with this comm macro.

I like JoyToKey because is easy to configure, you can Alt+Tab and reconfigure in game, take low resources of computer...

*This CH F16 in Xpadder example is not my, I'm doing maintenance on his pot's for a mate.

Sokol1

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-08-2013, 16:08
lol...'FrankenThrottle'...yeah, I got the CH throttle a week ago....I love my FrankenThrottle though...It has 3 pots...very good for prop pitch and trims....I used a sidewinder 2 electronics for it and gutted all the gameport electrics out...I liked it so much I made 2...

http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr232/FS_Lewis/PICT3376.jpg http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr232/FS_Lewis/PICT3371.jpg

Anyway..I digress...

dburne
Sep-24-2013, 06:38
Rgrt....I recognise that fact..and it is true...and a point worthy of debate also...and something that I already have contemplated...

However...there most certainly are folks out there that are very competent fliers who would love this sim but who have not tried it or know about it but put off by the bad press..or don't even know about it but would love it...A lot of these people may not even stay if they do come to try it...and we will NEVER recover the damage that was done on release of this sim...in fact we are swimming against an awfully big tide...There's no doubt we are the underdog



I can certainly attest to that, being one in the category above - have been a flight simmer for many years - knew about it, had tried it a little prior to TF, set it aside but still had it installed. I knew about the TF Mod and had it installed , but had not yet tried it. Have been flying other sims I felt I could do better with at least in the learning curve.

Last weekend, and especially since I also am on vacation this week - I thought what the heck and decided to give it a look now with the TF mod. Came to the website here, one of the first things I found was the Beginners Guide. I got a wealth of information by reading it, information on the planes and running CEM ( was very intimidated by CEM before ).

I now have the sim running very smoothly on my system, have learned the basics of CEM fairly well and am comfortable using it - and it does add so much more to the sim running with it enabled. The Beginners Guide was a huge help to me, along with asking questions in the IL2 Lounge - I have come much further with it in the last few days than I would have ever thought.

This site and the great information here, is responsible for me finally really getting into Cliffs of Dover, and I am very grateful for all the helpful information here and all the helpful folks on this forum. I will enjoy it for several hours this week, and now am really looking forward to later in the fall and winter, as I will have much more spare time on the weekends to enjoy it.

Thank you so much for taking the time to do the Beginners Guide, it was a huge help to me!!

TWC_BikerJack
Sep-26-2013, 07:57
I have been using CLoD for nearly a year now and finally got to grips with it. In the early days I needed help on PC spec and set up, in-game controls and assistance with joystick and rudder pedals. I asked lots of daft questions and searched the forums for answers on virtually a daily basis. There's a whole load of expertise available and invariably, someone, somewhere has had an identical problem or similar experience.

Stick with it. The next patch from Team Fusion is expected to iron out most of the outstanding issues. Teamspeak is also a good thing to get into as the help and advice you get is invaluable.

ATAG_Lewis
Sep-26-2013, 10:15
The Beginners Guide was a huge help to me, along with asking questions in the IL2 Lounge - I have come much further with it in the last few days than I would have ever thought.

Thank you so much for taking the time to do the Beginners Guide, it was a huge help to me!!

Thanks for the helpfull input back here d.burnette...We are unsure exactly how many folks this guide helps and having someone come to say it was helpfull from the start means a lot...Its put together with info we picked up from different folks with different issues...I tried to write it from the point of someone who has little or no experience with flight sims...

The easier it is for new flyers to get the basics out the way the quicker they get to enjoy shooting at rather than being shot at...and we get more folks enjoying what we already know to be a great WWII flight sim

I'm pleased it helped someone....~S~

Thanks, Lew

DUI
Oct-25-2013, 18:51
Hi guys,

in the "New Pilots" thread you address the topic "Win 7 large address aware".
To my knowledge this is only relevant for 32bit Windows Vista/7 - 64 bit can address 4 GB (or even more) by default.

Regards
DUI

ATAG_Snapper
Oct-25-2013, 19:48
Good catch, DUI! :thumbsup: Edited accordingly. Thanks! :salute:

ATAG_Lewis
Oct-25-2013, 21:22
Thanks DUI...~S~

Incog
Nov-01-2013, 08:49
Ah nice I've been looking for a thread where beginners can ask nooby questions. My particular questions here concern engine settings for the 109. ^^

So here is my situation, I take my 109 E3 out for a spin and climb over the French coast, looking to intercept anything that comes my way. I'm new so I'm staying close to France. I take off with prop pitch @ 12:00, as I climb and go higher, I put prop pitch to something between 10:00 and 11:00 (is that how it's described? prop pitch looks like a clock to me ^^). Anyway, I find this Blenheim, so I put full power (prop pitch still @ ~10:10) and make a high speed gun pass. Just after this gun pass, my engine starts being unhappy. The whole aircraft shakes and the engine starts coughing if I put anything more than absolute minimum throttle. Noteworthy I guess is that both oil and water radiators were completely open. I'm not sure of best settings, apparently the manuals in OP say 1/3 to 1/2 open seem nice, I guess I'll do that in the future. However I don't think that radiators are the problem here. Oil and water temperatures were also fine throughout the flight, <90°C.

Anyway, being concerned for my engine, I cut everything, turn off the engine, glide to an airfield and land.

I'm not sure how I screwed up my engine. Bad prop pitch? Bad radiator? Did I go too fast? Obviously, it's possible that the Blenheim shot something up, I did hear myself taking hits but it didn't seem severe (I also missed the Blenheim, my attack was executed pretty poorly).

I have the entire flight recorded, which I'll probably upload to youtube.

9./JG52_J-HAT
Nov-01-2013, 09:27
Hey Incog,

Don't use your prop pitch settings as primary reference. Use your rpms. If you use too high rpms for too long, it will bust your engine (maybe it is what happened to you, where higher power caused shaking). Same thing for manifold pressure (ata).

You should fly always looking at your ata limits and rpm. If you set the radiators like you did - ie correctly, temps will stay ok and taking care not to push ata or rpm limits will prevent your engine from failing. Engine will fails regardless of temperature if you don't respect the pressure and rev limits. Also, if you drop your speed below 250 kph, open your water radiator fully to prevent damage. Prop pitch indicator is just a reference so you know where it is at. And you said it correctly, you read it like a clock.

Specific engine limits are described in the wiki (on top of this page). For the 109E-3 use rpm not higher than 2400 and ata shouldn't go over 1.25 for extended periods (30 minutes). You can still go for rpm 2600 ata 1.45 with wep for a minute or so as emergency power or 2500 ata 1.35 for around five minutes for power climbing and combat. In a dive you can also allow the rpms to reach 3000 if it only stays a couple of seconds there (time necessary for your pitch to change and the revs decrease).

Incog
Nov-01-2013, 09:40
Hey Incog,

Don't use your prop pitch settings as primary reference. Use your rpms. If you use too high rpms for too long, it will bust your engine (maybe it is what happened to you, where higher power caused shaking). Same thing for manifold pressure (ata).

You should fly always looking at your ata limits and rpm. If you set the radiators like you did - ie correctly, temps will stay ok and taking care not to push ata or rpm limits will prevent your engine from failing. Engine will fails regardless of temperature if you don't respect the pressure and rev limits. Also, if you drop your speed below 250 kph, open your water radiator fully to prevent damage. Prop pitch indicator is just a reference so you know where it is at. And you said it correctly, you read it like a clock.

Specific engine limits are described in the wiki (on top of this page). For the 109E-3 use rpm not higher than 2400 and ata shouldn't go over 1.25 for extended periods (30 minutes). You can still go for rpm 2600 ata 1.45 with wep for a minute or so as emergency power or 2500 ata 1.35 for around five minutes for power climbing and combat. In a dive you can also allow the rpms to reach 3000 if it only stays a couple of seconds there (time necessary for your pitch to change and the revs decrease).


Thank you for the reply! I checked the VOD. I was at 2800 RPM and ata at 1.32 for 44 seconds (http://i.imgur.com/Mr89Qmx.jpg) (@ full throttle). Clearly, that's why my engine failed. RIP engine. Thanks for the pointer, hopefully I won't wreck any more engines from now on.

I was at full throttle during those 44 seconds. To get to that minute of 2600 RPM/ata 1.45, I need less RPM and more ATA. I can obtain those settings with a lower prop pitch (to lower RPM), correct?

9./JG52_J-HAT
Nov-01-2013, 10:09
Yeah, the 2800 rpms is probably what caused it failing. You didn't break it completely, but made it run rough, which is only good to take you home.

Correct. If you want to decrease rpms at a certain power setting (2800 rpms to 2600 rpms @ 1.45 ata), you need to decrease you prop pitch. That means the clock will have to show an earlier "time" and you should see the rpms decreasing. When you pull your nose up, rpms will decrease to the same pitch and ata settings. If you drop the nose, the opposite happens. When you climb and the air gets thinner, you will also need a lower prop pitch setting ("earlier" time) to keep the same rpms at the same power setting. When you drop your altitude, the opposite happens.

What also helps to prevent overreving is cutting your throttle when initiating the dive. That gives time for the prop pitch to be adjusted. You can do the same thing in combat, when you notice your rpms going up too quickly, you can decrease throttle and increase it when the pitch has caught up. Raising you nose to drop rpm is also an option if it applies to the situation.

A side note regarding rads: oil I leave at about 60-70%, and water rads 3/4 open all the time, except in two situations: 1/2 when extending away to gain speed (> 350kph) and fully open when in combat or when slower than 250 kph. Be careful when in combat, you should open your water rads to 100% because when you reach the top of you zoom climb, your speed will be too low. And given the speed things happen in combat, opening and closing the rads, plus changing pitch, plus taking care of rpms and ata, plus checking you six plus aiming and keeping track of the enemy can be a little overwhelming :) So just leave it open.

Incog
Nov-01-2013, 12:13
You close your oil rad half way to gain speed? That's pretty interesting, I assume that closing the radiator reduces drag which the allows for extra speed? If the aircraft is going fast enough it should still cool the oil sufficiently, I suppose. Just have to keep an eye on temperatures.

Thank you for the general tips as well, about rpms especially , very good information toi have. :p

edit: ah i read wrong, it's the water radS. my bad

ty for clarifying

9./JG52_J-HAT
Nov-01-2013, 12:33
I usually close the water rads more to reduce drag. Oil rads I just leave where it is. Although you could close it too a bit. Just never close any of them fully.

No problem. We are here to help.

See you online! Jump in teamspeak and ask questions whenever you want.

Incog
Dec-12-2013, 01:27
Decided to come back to this thread for a new question.

You know in a car, if you put too large a couple on the engine, it'll cut, right? There's a term for this in English, embarassingly I forgot it. :p

Anyway, doesn't this apply for an aircraft engine? If your prop pitch is set to full coarse on the ground and you put 100% throttle, shouldn't you be wrecking the engine because you're putting too large a couple on it?

I get the impression that it doesn't work that (could be a wrong impression, hence why I'm asking). Instead what happens is that your aircraft will simply accelerate very slowly.

I know it's possible to wreck an engine with too much RPM, but isn't it also possible wreck an engine with too much couple?

9./JG52_J-HAT
Dec-12-2013, 03:24
Well, if you put the prop pitch to full course you are making the props go flat on almost with the air, which makes it turning more difficult. Hence the engine cannot get to higher revs.
It's like wanting to move a very heavy thing which will cause you almost no thrust, because the angle of incidence is too high. So your engine doesn't overrev and you don't move.

It may cause problems to your engine, though. I can't remeber the name, but mispairing manifold pressure and revolutions is modelled in the game (Buzzsaw posted about it already).


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Incog
Dec-12-2013, 03:40
Ah yeah that's what I wanted to confirm: you can indeed damage your engine with too coarse a prop pitch. It's due to manifold pressure being too high compared to the engine's RPM.

Thanks :salute:

ATAG_Lolsav
Dec-12-2013, 06:25
Ah yeah that's what I wanted to confirm: you can indeed damage your engine with too coarse a prop pitch. It's due to manifold pressure being too high compared to the engine's RPM.

Thanks :salute:

Well well, nice one. I would consider myself experienced on the plane and i think you just found a reason why my engine would just get wrecked for what i tought was "no reason".

After all there was a reason and you were the one to point it out for me Incog. Thank you.

Incog
Dec-12-2013, 08:34
Heh, even the newbs can be of help! pay me back with some 109 coaching one day :p

ATAG_Lolsav
Dec-12-2013, 08:43
Heh, even the newbs can be of help! pay me back with some 109 coaching one day :p

Sure. Im on Greenwich TMG, whats yours? Lisbon/UK time.

Incog
Dec-12-2013, 08:49
paris time but i'm not home very often..(studies) ^^

don't worry about it, i'll get back to you when i can fly

ATAG_Lolsav
Dec-12-2013, 08:53
Ok. Now trying my rusty french:

Il y a beaucoup de français a jouer CLOD. Vien dans TS et toi vais trouver... argh i quit, cant even complete a sentence :)

ATAG_Lewis
May-16-2014, 07:33
I just added 3) and 4) to the **IMPORTANT** list here in the discussion thread......Deleting game cache and turning off Steam Cloud...I thought it was a good idea as it is something I find myself telling folks in their intro Welcome post....What say you?...Should it be added to the original?

**IMPORTANT**

1) In the in-game Video settings, make sure "Epilepsy Filter" is unchecked. (ie. disabled). Otherwise, you'll get a psychedelic effect in the cockpit!!!

2) In the in-game Realism settings, make sure "Anthromorphic Effects" is unchecked. (ie. disabled). This is a glitchy feature that frequently causes your joystick/throttle controls to freeze up

3) Clear you game cache regularly by deleting the folder 'cache'.The game will make a new folder when it is started. You will find the 'cache' folder here :
Documents \ 1C SoftClub \ il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover - MOD \ cache

4) Turn Off 'Steam Cloud' by unchecking the 'Enable Steam Cloud sync.' box. First open 'Steam' and go to :
STEAM > Library > All Games > IL2 Sturmovik:Cliffs Of Dover (right Click) > Properties > Updates > Steam Cloud > (Uncheck Box) Enable Steam Cloud synchronization for IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover.

ATAG_Septic
May-16-2014, 08:07
Looks good, thanks Lew old bean.

Septic.:thumbsup:

ATAG_Snapper
May-16-2014, 08:19
That's excellent, Lew! :thumbsup:

Those two additional points cover what we repeatedly tell newcomers all the time. Will copy & paste over as soon as I'm at my PC. (Just tried with my iPod, but the fonts don't get carried over, just drab regular sized text).

I see that Admin put in a special header for TF Patches at the top of the forum which links new forum members directly to your Beginners Section. I think this will help with all the "Where can I find the patches?" queries, plus they will see all the other good stuff to get started.

:)

ATAG_Lewis
May-16-2014, 09:09
I will copy and paste it Snap...if its ok...No problem...

DONE!

and the new header is top notch....Very good

ATAG_Dave
May-16-2014, 10:03
I just added 3) and 4) to the **IMPORTANT** list here in the discussion thread......Deleting game cache and turning off Steam Cloud...I thought it was a good idea as it is something I find myself telling folks in their intro Welcome post....What say you?...Should it be added to the original?

**IMPORTANT**

1) In the in-game Video settings, make sure "Epilepsy Filter" is unchecked. (ie. disabled). Otherwise, you'll get a psychedelic effect in the cockpit!!!

2) In the in-game Realism settings, make sure "Anthromorphic Effects" is unchecked. (ie. disabled). This is a glitchy feature that frequently causes your joystick/throttle controls to freeze up

3) Clear you game cache regularly by deleting the folder 'cache'.The game will make a new folder when it is started. You will find the 'cache' folder here :
Documents \ 1C SoftClub \ il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover - MOD \ cache

4) Turn Off 'Steam Cloud' by unchecking the 'Enable Steam Cloud sync.' box. First open 'Steam' and go to :
STEAM > Library > All Games > IL2 Sturmovik:Cliffs Of Dover (right Click) > Properties > Updates > Steam Cloud > (Uncheck Box) Enable Steam Cloud synchronization for IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover.

Hi Lewis - re points 3&4 above (both good ideas to add IMO) just a thought - maybe expand a touch as to why its a good idea to do these things in the same way you have for 1&2 ?

Dave

ATAG_Lewis
May-16-2014, 10:33
I did think about making that point but I am not sure myself why game cache has to be deleted regularly and this part of the guide has to be kept short...Maybe someone can elaborate in a short sentence for us about game cache and Steam Cloud....I have had a go below.......

Hows this for the Steam Cloud description....I'm no programmer so please correct this as its my laymans explanation as to whats going on here which I don't fully understand.....

4) Turn Off 'Steam Cloud' by unchecking the 'Enable Steam Cloud sync.' box. Team Fusion patches are not Steam game updates and Steam checks your game periodically for what it believes are anomolies (Patches) which it will then attempt to delete . So, First open 'Steam' and go to :
STEAM > Library > All Games > IL2 Sturmovik:Cliffs Of Dover (right Click) > Properties > Updates > Steam Cloud > (Uncheck Box) Enable Steam Cloud synchronization for IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover.

ATAG_Septic
May-16-2014, 10:43
why game cache has to be deleted regularly.

As I understand it Lew, the cache only needs deleting between running different patch versions. Mine hasn't been cleared since the last release.

Septic.

Throweight
May-17-2014, 21:17
Am I to understand that the windows 8.1 fix be installed before the ATAG improvements? This is my first experience with Steam and I might need a little help. I'm an old man and can't find the knobs on this damn computer.:-P
Are one of these methods better than the other?

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7720

OR:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=515472

Thanks

BENTYx
May-19-2014, 15:16
I just did what you recommend lew (for 3&4)

But I lost all my keybinds

I do have my keys saved somewhere, but i put them into "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover" and it didn't work. So I put them into "C:\Users\Mat\Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover - MOD" and same result, didn't work.

In fact, I lost all my settings, even video, audio etc.

What can i do ?

Jabo2009
Aug-27-2014, 06:17
Very Nice introduction and game set up guide... Thx to ATAG_Lewis and whole ATAG Mods crew :thumbsup:

ATAG_Lewis
Aug-27-2014, 07:57
Thanks for the feedback Jabo...Its very important to us to know if this does help the new players...~S~

ATAG_Lewis
Feb-01-2015, 11:46
ADDED - A small section to include the 'Problems Master lists'

I have had PMs about the 'false positive' issue that some Antivirus software is reporting (notably Norton, Avast, Kapersky, Avira). Some of the new players experiencing this have notified me that they have had real problems trying to resolve this issue and any information on it. I have now included a link to Master lists 2 in the 'Beginners Guide' which I have updated to show this specific problem.

I would like to hear your 2 cents?

Russkly
Feb-07-2015, 07:34
Excellent thread, guys, which has been invaluable in helping me get to grips with the BF-109 E1 (having previously flown almost exclusively Hurris).

You have revitalised CoD for me, and I am thoroughly enjoying playing it again offline using the Desastersoft campaigns after many years away following such a balls-up of a product launch.

So, you have at least one new user solely due to Team Fusion's efforts.

ATAG_Lewis
Mar-08-2015, 12:41
Otyg suggestion


Hi lew.

What about to add info in the newbie guide about if you register on the forum there is a chat where you can get help in realtime..

I had no idea when i first started and i was just looking at what people browse on the forum and almost all guests are in your guide..

Just a thought.


Have a good one mate!

ATAG_Lewis
May-06-2015, 14:32
Just updated the 'Beginners Guide' with link, pic and intro to include 'Chucks Guide to Cliffs Of Dover'.....Chuck can change the intro and pic to his own spec if he wants it different....

Big BRAVO and kudos to Chuck....He has done a fantastic job and the amount of work he has done in this guide is utterly phenomenal...I am in awe...~S~

Feedback would be appreciated folks!

...Lew..

billster1212
Sep-11-2015, 15:05
Just updated the 'Beginners Guide' with link, pic and intro to include 'Chucks Guide to Cliffs Of Dover'.....Chuck can change the intro and pic to his own spec if he wants it different....

Big BRAVO and kudos to Chuck....He has done a fantastic job and the amount of work he has done in this guide is utterly phenomenal...I am in awe...~S~

Feedback would be appreciated folks!

...Lew..

Hey Everyone...I am new to the Team Fusion mod...it helped me get the COD to work on windows 10 when nothing else would work. Thank GOD I found a post pointing to this forum.

I really like the loadout tool but have a sort of Newb question.

I seem to have the loadouts work correctly in the application and I see them in game when I go to the planes section of the menu. For instance I can see my custom loadout of Bill1 in the section that allows you to change your ammo along with the standard Default and Custom settings. The issue I have is...when I chose my Bill1 setting and play a quick mission, it shows me the loadout of either Stock or Emtpy when choosing a plane...it does not show me my special loadout of Bill1 to choose.

In game I tried to make the loadout have RED tracers to see if things have changed on screen, and I don't see any RED tracer fire in game. It just shows the traditional white tracers and only those. So either I am doing something incorrectly or the system will not work with single player.

Are we supposed to see different tracer colors when playing the game? I would expect so...after all...why show an option for Red or yellow when it just shows white all the time.

I purchased IL2 Battle of Stalingrad before finding out about the Team Fusion mod...too bad since I like the Team Fusion mod so much better and wasted money on BOS. The BOS looks better in some respects...but not nearly as fun to play as the Team Fusion COD.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

ATAG_Lewis
Sep-11-2015, 16:58
Not sure how it works in CLOD..i have noticed that when I change guns and ammo in the ATAG server it doesn't seem to be the same in single player...and I don't play single player at all unless I need to take a skin screen so sorry I can't be much help...hope someone else can chime in here with an answer...I would however suggest you get busy in the online ATAG server as its mission based and you get to fight real virtual players...so much more fun for a lot of us here...and you can change your guns in the file in the ubisoft folder...which is a lot quicker I think...let me know if you want to know how to do that...

Welcome to the community and forums billster1212 ...~S~

Checkout the 'Beginners Guide'...for info and tips...It will save you a heap of time in getting up to scratch.....and its a really fun learning curve anyway..

Beginners Guide Link Here (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5058&p=52711)

Windows Management Guide (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3273)

Also try youtube for startup procedures on all the aircraft...

I recommend getting in the online server as soon as you can take off if that's ultimately where you'd like to fly...I flew single player for 30 minutes before I took the plunge...The ATAG online server is a great environment to learn and there's not really any damage you can do in there as a new player.....It is also mission based just with real players trying to foil your objectives...If you are concerned then pick an airstrip furthest from the front line (there always is one or two on every map) and get some alt before you go hunting...You'll get tagged a lot but there are tricks you learn out of pure desperation in those first few weeks that you'll be able to use later...I know cos I still use the same tricks I learned then too because they work...and never underestimate the stall to get you out of a tight fix...That sometimes works too...TeamSpeak is optional but you'll learn a whole lot faster with it even if you say very little....


Here are a few fun, helpful and interesting links amongst these forums

Most Watched CLOD Videos (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10582&p=137316)

Easy Allied CEM for New Players (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9111&p=100118#post100118)

Joystick and Hardware Thread (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7000)

ATAG Forum Age Poll Results (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7744&highlight=poll)

Nvidea Control Panel Settings (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6534&highlight=control+panel)

Downloads (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/Downloads.php)

Contact Spotting Test (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13915&highlight=spotting+contact)


Any questions then you've come to the right place....

Good to have you with us buddy...and remember its all about the Fun!!!

and Please take a moment to let us know how you came to find CLOD so as we get an idea of what we can do to get the word out there in a bigger way.

How Did You Find CLOD? (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18350)

...Lew...

billster1212
Sep-11-2015, 17:29
Not sure how it works in CLOD..i have noticed that when I change guns and ammo in the ATAG server it doesn't seem to be the same in single player...and I don't play single player at all unless I need to take a skin screen so sorry I can't be much help...hope someone else can chime in here with an answer...I would however suggest you get busy in the online ATAG server as its mission based and you get to fight real virtual players...so much more fun for a lot of us here...and you can change your guns in the file in the ubisoft folder...which is a lot quicker I think...let me know if you want to know how to do that...

Welcome to the community and forums billster1212 ...~S~

Checkout the 'Beginners Guide'...for info and tips...It will save you a heap of time in getting up to scratch.....and its a really fun learning curve anyway..

Beginners Guide Link Here (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5058&p=52711)

Windows Management Guide (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3273)

Also try youtube for startup procedures on all the aircraft...

I recommend getting in the online server as soon as you can take off if that's ultimately where you'd like to fly...I flew single player for 30 minutes before I took the plunge...The ATAG online server is a great environment to learn and there's not really any damage you can do in there as a new player.....It is also mission based just with real players trying to foil your objectives...If you are concerned then pick an airstrip furthest from the front line (there always is one or two on every map) and get some alt before you go hunting...You'll get tagged a lot but there are tricks you learn out of pure desperation in those first few weeks that you'll be able to use later...I know cos I still use the same tricks I learned then too because they work...and never underestimate the stall to get you out of a tight fix...That sometimes works too...TeamSpeak is optional but you'll learn a whole lot faster with it even if you say very little....


Here are a few fun, helpful and interesting links amongst these forums

Most Watched CLOD Videos (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10582&p=137316)

Easy Allied CEM for New Players (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9111&p=100118#post100118)

Joystick and Hardware Thread (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7000)

ATAG Forum Age Poll Results (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7744&highlight=poll)

Nvidea Control Panel Settings (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6534&highlight=control+panel)

Downloads (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/Downloads.php)

Contact Spotting Test (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13915&highlight=spotting+contact)


Any questions then you've come to the right place....

Good to have you with us buddy...and remember its all about the Fun!!!

and Please take a moment to let us know how you came to find CLOD so as we get an idea of what we can do to get the word out there in a bigger way.

How Did You Find CLOD? (http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18350)

...Lew...


I just tried it in multiplayer and it still doesn't change them. I set all bullets to be yellow and even checked the plane loadout while in game...it shows that the bullets should all be yellow tracers...but still only shows 2 sets of white tracers. This is indeed puzzling for me. I wonder why the game is not using my user.ini at all...even in multiplayer. Does anyone have any suggestions?

ATAG_Dave
Sep-11-2015, 19:23
I just tried it in multiplayer and it still doesn't change them. I set all bullets to be yellow and even checked the plane loadout while in game...it shows that the bullets should all be yellow tracers...but still only shows 2 sets of white tracers. This is indeed puzzling for me. I wonder why the game is not using my user.ini at all...even in multiplayer. Does anyone have any suggestions?

In offline (eg quick missions) the loadout is set by the mission maker - you cannot change it. your convergence settings can be changed but not the load out.

to change your loadout make sure you do this while online (log into a multiplayer server) - and when u save it make sure you use the 'save as' option.

ATAG_Lewis
Sep-11-2015, 19:34
and...exiting game after you have made changes sometimes works...I think it is a glitch sometimes....

Change your 'user' file in Ubisoft documents...

billster1212
Sep-12-2015, 12:06
In offline (eg quick missions) the loadout is set by the mission maker - you cannot change it. your convergence settings can be changed but not the load out.

to change your loadout make sure you do this while online (log into a multiplayer server) - and when u save it make sure you use the 'save as' option.

You were 100% correct ...I went in with the games mission builder and edited a mission...lo and behold it gives you the parameters for each flight group. Thanks for all the help guys. Once I get better at flying I will join up with you all online.

jon_rogan
Dec-18-2015, 08:42
Just wanted to say a very big thank you to all at Team Fusion. My father was a Spitfire pilot during WWII but was posted out to Burma. He's no longer with us but I recall many times when younger our chats together trying to understand what it was like to fly a Spitfire in that era. He was a quiet, modest man but I could always feel that his experience was also mixed with fear, but it gave him great pride to serve the nation at a critical time in world history. As a flight simmer (of modest ability), for years I have been looking for a flight simulation that really allows true immersion in the Spitfire and the environment of that era. I wanted this not only for enjoyment, but to put me in the world my father was in, to help better understand what he went through, and in a way connect better with a man I only new in my childhood and early teens. I bought CLOD recently from Steam and it wouldn't even load. The I loaded all your patches and I can say that I was overwhelmed when the sim loaded and I could see the aircraft and the environment. Quite emotional really because I have finally got the chance to get a true glimpse of my fathers world at that time. Obviously (having flown the original IL2 sim) the work by Oleg and his team on CLOD creating the basic sim is impressive. But the work done by Team Fusion to fix and refine the game is an amazing achievement and once again I want to thank you all for such wonderful work.

Gh0st
Jan-26-2016, 00:14
X52-Pro Spitfire and 109 profile
20420

Trigger = All Guns
Fire C = Nose Guns

stevie the fixer
Mar-29-2016, 06:51
Hi all i am new to COD and the TAG patches - all carefully applied yesterday. I am using a Saitek (Mad catz (which they are) X-55 with a seperate rudder pedal set. That is 3 seperate USB inputs I use them through a powered hub which cured intermittent axis/button reads on Microsoft flightsims but with COD I get very bad and only occasional control response.
That is the problem but i have found out some possibly useful things with another sim (FS9) of a similar original type - by that I mean for XP, win 7 etc.
OK so I have a new gaming laptop Win 8.1 I7 4 core 2.7-3.6 Ghz, 16Gb kingston Hyper X RAM, GeForce GTX970 (with 6Gb DDR5 RAM) and 2 solid state hard drives. I also have a desktop deliberately bought with 32 bit XP (4 years old but with AMD Phenom 2x4 955 3.2Ghz, 4 gig Kingston Hyper X RAM and a Sapphire Radeon HD 5870).
Running FS9 on the desktop - no control problems but running it on the laptop = constantly corrupted config file and mis-reading of controls. I am no expert but I looked at these config files and in 32bit XP the 3 seperate control units had IDs that were also seperate (example rudder 006A3PPID-0765 etc.) BUT on the Laptop (so now 64 bit O/S) they are all the same (745A17AO etc).
I tried Mad Catz but no luck - they are well named - so my question:
Would COD work on my desktop instead? and if so would Steam let me transfer it there?, would the TAG patches allow it to run?

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-29-2016, 07:36
Would COD work on my desktop instead? and if so would Steam let me transfer it there?, would the TAG patches allow it to run?

In short: Steam is attached to your login. If you login on another computer with your login/password it will redownload your bought games. Also, just in case, you have a "code id" of the game right? If you get prompted (which i doubt) you just have to insert it.

About the MadCatz/Saitek.. as a owner of a X52Pro i do know for a long time that Saitek never made a 64 bits driver for my controller. And, for what ive read in the forums, the following sticks never had a good driver also, resulting in "flashing lights and joystick bezerk behaviour". The solution, for me, was to ignore the Saitek software and to directly input the commands in the game, which has a "axes" tab on top left. There you can program your stick. The downside is you cant use the "3 stages" feature, but to tell you the truth, you dont need them.

Btw, welcome to your forums :)

stevie the fixer
Mar-29-2016, 13:00
In short: Steam is attached to your login. If you login on another computer with your login/password it will redownload your bought games. Also, just in case, you have a "code id" of the game right? If you get prompted (which i doubt) you just have to insert it.

About the MadCatz/Saitek.. as a owner of a X52Pro i do know for a long time that Saitek never made a 64 bits driver for my controller. And, for what ive read in the forums, the following sticks never had a good driver also, resulting in "flashing lights and joystick bezerk behaviour". The solution, for me, was to ignore the Saitek software and to directly input the commands in the game, which has a "axes" tab on top left. There you can program your stick. The downside is you cant use the "3 stages" feature, but to tell you the truth, you dont need them.

Btw, welcome to your forums :)

Thanks ATAG so it looks like I can migrate this game - I hope to be able to create steam on my old XP machine and transfer the whole COD+ patches thing via USB (very slow download so would prefer not to do that again). I did try the complete programming of stick thingy with FS9 and the original problem but once I fixed with a powered hub it seemed better just to program in-game. Of course even programming the stick won't cure the not reading axes correctly syndrome. I fullu expect to be long dead by the time saitek/mad catz/whoever eventually sorts out the 32/64 bit stick ID problem.
Despite these problems I am stunned by the graphics etc - hope to be flying with you one day soon!

ATAG_Lolsav
Mar-29-2016, 13:25
I dont remember if the game runs on XP system, i know it does on Windows 7 - 32 bit, but the games loves 64 bit. Due to memory reasons, as 32 bits system cannot manage ammount of memory so well as 64 bits system do, i expect you to have some problems in the XP machine. If that happens dont hesitate to seek us again.

Also i would advise you to stick with your laptop as a gaming platform, since it has a much better hardware and its more modern. The problem with the joystick can be solved as i told you above.

stevie the fixer
Apr-05-2016, 16:18
I dont remember if the game runs on XP system, i know it does on Windows 7 - 32 bit, but the games loves 64 bit. Due to memory reasons, as 32 bits system cannot manage ammount of memory so well as 64 bits system do, i expect you to have some problems in the XP machine. If that happens dont hesitate to seek us again.

Also i would advise you to stick with your laptop as a gaming platform, since it has a much better hardware and its more modern. The problem with the joystick can be solved as i told you above.

Ha! well just for future reference and info it doesn't - at least it does but not useably response-wise. I deleted it and concentrated on the gaming laptop win8.1 setup but with massive control problems (thanks for nothing mad Catz!) because the x-55 multi-input controller is not good with 64 bit. Current state of play is 90% - ish response to axes but 70% fidelity of button controls with repeatttttts and misses a plenty. I have also posted why I think this is nearby but can't see how to link it here - short version - 32bit multi input= different IDs inside config files but 64bit = same ID for all parts so no wonder it isn't working and only Mad Catz could fix that!

Pify
Jul-05-2016, 02:45
thanks for the guide, however ... I am running windows 10 (x64) and umm... nothing works, i have been trying to do everything as in the guide but with no luck... also i must say that i tried to download some tools from ATAG which should have made my game work - but requiring me to make posts just so i can download a file is a very shady practise.

All in all i just want to be able to run my game and am really disinterested in any multiplayer activity, and find some of the options on your forum frankly disgusting

ATAG_Lolsav
Jul-05-2016, 04:52
and find some of the options on your forum frankly disgusting

You´re welcome

JimmyBlonde
Jul-05-2016, 06:12
Can someone point me towards these disgusting options... You know... Just out of scientific interest.

ATAG_Highseas
Jul-05-2016, 11:18
thanks for the guide, however ... I am running windows 10 (x64) and umm... nothing works, i have been trying to do everything as in the guide but with no luck... also i must say that i tried to download some tools from ATAG which should have made my game work - but requiring me to make posts just so i can download a file is a very shady practise.

All in all i just want to be able to run my game and am really disinterested in any multiplayer activity, and find some of the options on your forum frankly disgusting

erm...

and welcome to the forum?

ATAG_Highseas
Jul-05-2016, 11:20
Can someone point me towards these disgusting options... You know... Just out of scientific interest.

Maybe he means on the Air Transport Action Group website... ?

BOO
Jul-05-2016, 14:41
and am really disinterested in any multiplayer activity,


small mercies..

ATAG_Colander
Jul-05-2016, 15:06
Hi Pify,

By reading your post I don't think you really care but...
You DO NOT need to be a member of the forum to download the Team Fusion MOD.
Also, not that you care but...
With the TF MOD you DO NOT need to download anything else to make the game run on W10.

Next time RTFM before accusing others of shady practices.

And welcome to the forum.

Pify
Jul-05-2016, 15:32
Hi Pify,

By reading your post I don't think you really care but...
You DO NOT need to be a member of the forum to download the Team Fusion MOD.
Also, not that you care but...
With the TF MOD you DO NOT need to download anything else to make the game run on W10.

Next time RTFM before accusing others of shady practices.

And welcome to the forum.

first of all i apologise i meant these options:
23339

I should apologise because to me it sounds a lot like if i check one of those boxes people would have to like or dislike my post just so they see it's content (which is a shady practise), but since i don't really know if that is what it is for, i apologise.

I actually made this account since i wanted to download this: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/Downloads.php?do=download&downloadid=49
And to download it i was required to have at least one post (which is my first post)
That file was the last option i could try, i didn't know i could download it elsewhere - so sorry on that account as well

Still i bought a game and it is just not even starting up on my pc... and quite frankly it is strange to me that i cannot find any other fix for this issue other than the TF mod(which simply does not want to work for me)

Again sorry, i guess i went a bit too far since i've been trying to make it work for so much time now and it doesn't even want to budge (that is still a mistake on my account though)

All i cared about was making the game work, but it doesn't so i give up.

ATAG_Colander
Jul-05-2016, 16:20
Hi Pifi,

Those options should be off by default unless you switch them on. The come with the forum software.
If you had them on by default, then something strange is happening as many people post here for the first time and I've only seen that once in the years the forum has been up.

Regarding CLODER, as I said, is not needed if you have the TF MOD installed.

EDIT: By the way, the 1 post requirement is due to the damn bots downloading everything they find. Sadly, the forum bandwidth is not free.

ATAG_Highseas
Jul-05-2016, 17:16
All i cared about was making the game work, but it doesn't so i give up.

ok... so you definately got off to a bad start... That's crystal clear !

but even so... no need to give up.


If you explain fully what you have installed chances are someone here will still help you.


Ball is very much in your court there.

Scott_HH
Sep-11-2016, 08:59
Does installing with a DVD and product code work ? If steam is the only option does everything still work? The thread is very old. Amazed and pleased that fusion is a real chain reaction.

Baffin
Sep-11-2016, 17:29
Does installing with a DVD and product code work ? If steam is the only option does everything still work? The thread is very old. Amazed and pleased that fusion is a real chain reaction.

Yes. I used my DVD for the umpteenth time when steam caused all those problems last month. As soon as it is installed, it downloaded the newer original version, but I was not challenged for valid ownership. Now, in fairness, I have been registered in steam since CLoD day one so Steam may have recognized me as a valid previous owner.

In any case, you must opt out of the troublesome automatic updates and you must still install the Team Fusion patches. :goodluck:

MICKOCON
Feb-26-2017, 05:22
Thank you for taking the time to produce this document. Very clear and easy to understand.
Thanks MICKOCON

Hurricane
Feb-26-2017, 06:36
Hi Pify,

By reading your post I don't think you really care but...
You DO NOT need to be a member of the forum to download the Team Fusion MOD.
Also, not that you care but...
With the TF MOD you DO NOT need to download anything else to make the game run on W10.

Next time RTFM before accusing others of shady practices.

And welcome to the forum.

Sorry i know this post is really old.

But i was roaring laughing when i read it, made my day. :D:D:D:D

Just clicking "like" in this instance, didn't seem enough.

Best regards,
Mike.