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ATAG_Trumps
Nov-03-2011, 09:24
heya all,
i have been following this new campaign that has been started and have a question.

Are the ATAG crew flying as a squad for either Axis or Allieds, or are people dividing up into seperate sectionsand flying what ever suits, i personally would love to fly the 110 in Jabbo raids if there is a group doing so. If not i am more than happy to strap in to what ever has been previously agreed upon if there are still seats available.

Cheers
Craig

MajorBorris
Nov-03-2011, 13:57
I am wondering the same, Ju88 for me please.

Do we sign up every week?

ATAG_WatchMan
Nov-03-2011, 16:24
I'm thinking, "and I'm sure this will be revised" that last weekends campaign was more about having the right numbers and sorting out any bugs. I'm sure we'll get more information from week to week concerning squads and if they are limited to one side or the other.

I do know that the last mission had no bombers available on the red side, nor did I see any on the blue side aside from ai flights. Whether there are bombers or not I plan on flying there again wherever I'm needed as long as I can fly with ATAG. I could really use the practice with mission planning and squadron flying.:Grin:

ATAG_WatchMan.:thumbsup:

ATAG_Torian
Nov-07-2011, 06:08
ATAG_Septic and I were in a squad of 6 Spits. Was a good learning experience and there a few things I would do differently if I was squad leader.
Firstly a squad needs to stay together and be in reasonably close proximity. Ours got split up early on chasing 2 different bomber groups. This led to incoordinated attacks and eventually to separation.
2ndly we really needed to have been at desired altitude well before crossing the
coast out into the channel. We were well below altitude when we came across
fighters well above us and were too spread out to cover each other.
3rdly I think the squad leader needs to assess the plan handed down to it from
? the group leader as to how feasable it is. In hindsight I think the plan given to
our
squad was ill thought out as we needed to be over the French coast way before
it was really possible to be.
Having said all that it was good fun and I guess just illustrates in some way how
things often went to faeces in real battle.
Would be great to have a complete ATAG squad for these campaigns even if we
have a squad on each side to suit each of our plane preferences.
I may not be able to make all of them as they are on at 5:30am Monday morning
my time but will be there when able. Its a good concept and hopefully may be
a precursor to a CloD league of some sort.
Happy landings
ATAG_Torian

JG6_BigglesCDN
Nov-07-2011, 16:10
Good points Torian. As volunteer Spit flight leader I must take some blame for our failure to function very well as a unit. Systems issues, lack of take off procedures at Hawkinge and a few other glitches got us off to a rough start. It was I who went straight for the Stukes when sighted since I had lost you and Evangeluse ahead of me when you took on the 109s.

So...for next time 1. I agree on the plan shortcomings - was unrealistic given take off delays etc; 2. we should pair up right away wing and leader pre takeoff - we did not set this up; 3. we should agree on primary targets (109s or bombers) and try to stick to it (my fault this time); 4. take off protocols need to be set by flight leaders pre mission and rigorously adhered to.

Other than that, I had a great time. Emptied my guns into about six Stukas and then landed (thus completely abandoning my flight :no)

Will try to be on earlier for the next one so we can plan a bit better.

Cheers!

Biggles

Ohms
Nov-07-2011, 16:57
HI All

Our flight lost its leader before the game got going(unable to connect).The new leader tried his best but as soon as the 109's should up we could not stay together and then just went for nearest target be it bomber or fighter.
P.S Don't go head to head with a 110 not a wise move on my part.What was worse was doing it three more times.

Neil

Ohms
Nov-07-2011, 20:10
:eek:
HI All

Our flight lost its leader before the game got going(unable to connect).The new leader tried his best but as soon as the 109's should up we could not stay together and then just went for nearest target be it bomber or fighter.
P.S Don't go head to head with a 110 not a wise move on my part.What was worse was doing it three more times.

NeilSorry for the poor spelling should have said showed up!!

5./JG27Rudelmann
Nov-08-2011, 01:00
Hey guys, sorry, never thought to look here for a thread about our campaign. Let me try to answer some of the questions here.

There have been red/blue bombers on every map, except for last weeks (I didn't realize Farber removed them). Promise there's at least stuff for you heavies to do every mission here on out. Blue more than red, but we did leave a little in mind for you Red bomber boys.

That said, we are trying to produce a feeling of BoB, so we are certainly more geared towards Red defense, and Blue problems escorting bombers into radar guided interceptors, and so far, I'd say its been successful there.

We're not interested in having a balance of numbers yet, this is more about the community getting together, and flying with each other, than being a balanced dogfight. Teamwork will succeed where numbers may not. Remember, war is as much about learning fast and implementing changes as being perfect on the get go, and another thing we've seen happening over the 2 missions so far.

Torian, much respect for you staying up/getting up early for these in your time zone! ~S!

We won't be doing a league per se, we're thinking of designing missions around historical events (I've got several days already mapped out, just have to do the missions) to give us the feeling of the troubles the two sides had during this conflict. We'll post when we have something to do, and hope guys enjoy, but we at 5./JG27 aren't necessarily wanting to be some sort of overlords of some tournament league. If someone else wants to run with it, go for it!

Biggles, missions are designed not to give everyone too much time to prepare, but enough time to account for bad connections, a couple of take off accidents. But we don't want full squads camping over enemy territory while things are forming up. Think BoB, not modern forward defense strategies please! ;) (Or I'll punish you with so much AA, your next computer will still be lagging! haha)

A big thanks to all our friends and rivals here at ATAG (both squad and server) for getting so much done with the coordination of the community. It's been a big help that I can try to focus more on the server/missions and not have to worry that everyone is going to need their hand held through this.



A tip for the next mission. Turn some settings down, there's going to be more going on this mission than the last couple. I want to see how it will react with 40+ people on. If it gets too bad, I think I'll have a lighter version on stand by I can quickly swap to.

See everyone Sunday!

~S!

Rudelmann

ATAG_Torian
Nov-08-2011, 04:33
Hi Biggles,
My comments certainly weren't a criticism of u at all. I wasn't putting my hand up
for squad leader as I didn't have a clue and was glad u took it on.
In rugby league terms I think u received a hospital pass with that objective they
gave u for the squad. I think we all thought the mission wasn't as far progressed
as it was and we had time to make our desired altitude but we were about 7000ft short
of where we planned when we had to engage as the enemy was already well into
the channel. From that point our plan all went out the window as we were all torn
in different directions. As I said I appreciated it as good learning experience. Even
managed to get the lions share of the kills on 2 bombers b4 getting jumped by 2
109s.

Hi Rudelmann,
That must have been a headache with those glitches but I think u guys should
know how much we all appreciate the efforts going in to try and make these
campaigns happen. It's still a learning curve for all of us and a big thank you to
your squad for blazing the trail. If we can eventually get enuff Aussies, Kiwis, &
Russians in the GMT + 9.5hrs timezone vicinity we may even be able to run it
on a server down here at a civilised time :Grin:

ATAG_Torian

ATAG_JTDawg
Nov-08-2011, 12:19
Well let me start here, Yes we lost sniper ,due to health issuses 30 mins. before start,Then jeepy who took charge= thank you, couldn't get in game for some reason! Who was already set up on whisper, that left the 3 of us left to do what we could,my bag for not adjusting fast enough!. Since it Was me who took charge,after the restarts my game was a slide show with 3 fps. So i was no help at all! Even out to sea ,was really bad . but all in all ,with bug problems etc. the concept is based on multi clans working together, An having fun!!!! So lets keep a cool tool !! fly together an work together to improve what going on. :thumbsup: lets don't ruin ,what could be even better, My 2 cents :salute:

ATAG_WatchMan
Nov-08-2011, 13:07
I just want to say I've really enjoyed reading this thread. The one thing I noticed is that while we might be describing problems that cropped up before and during the campaign this weekend it struck me that while our own life stuff is going on we actually contribute to the realism of the campaign. While it sucks that Sniper wasn't feeling well, or that people had to step into squad leader positions minutes after starting, in a much more dramatic way this stuff was really going on during the Battle of Britain. Men got sick, killed, flights scrambled at the last second to meet incoming threats, planes had to return home because of engine problems, navigation problems and some flights had uneventful sorties, while others found themselves in the middle of impossible odds. I think in the end it's all good and I'm looking forward to this weekend's mission. Thank you to JG27 for hosting this campaign and to everyone else involved, I'll be coming back.:Grin:


S! ATAG_WatchMan.

JG6_BigglesCDN
Nov-09-2011, 21:58
Well said all and ditto on the BIG thanks to JG27 for getting it going.

Cheers!

Biggles:Grin:

ATAG_Bliss
Nov-09-2011, 23:07
Well said all and ditto on the BIG thanks to JG27 for getting it going.

Cheers!

Biggles:Grin:

+1

A big thanks to JG27 for getting a huge multisquadron campaign going! :dthumb:

5./JG27Rudelmann
Nov-12-2011, 22:58
New Briefings are out, hope everyone got it. This time, server is password protected, so please ask your squad leader nicely! Be careful, typo's will get you knocked off server if you miss it 3x, and only way to let you on is a server restart, so we may or may not be able to get you in (depending on how many people are on, how long in, and how many people can't get in, nothing personal to anyone!)

Basic briefing is Lots of Blues attacking in a broad front from Rye to Ramsgate!

ATAG_Bliss
Nov-13-2011, 14:09
Got it.

Thanks Rudelmann! :thumbsup:

ATAG_Snapper
Nov-13-2011, 22:35
A big thanks to JG27 and to you, Jakob, for setting up today's multi squadron mission(s). It was a real thrill to be taxiing out in Spits with my squad mates at Biggin Hill and watching the squad before us roaring off in their Hurries.

A few of us saw action high over Ramsgate and the immersion factor was high. A ton of fun!

ATAG_Snapper

Dutch
Nov-14-2011, 06:10
Heh, heh!:laugh:

Well, as I've said before, last night was my first ever participation in a squad event.

Like all rookies, I made lots of mistakes (with apologies to those for whom I blocked the runway :uhoh) and probably babbled on far too much, but had a great time.

I may only have achieved 0.13 of a kill and damaged my engine in the process, but I lived to fight another day.:Grin:

Many thanks to all involved in setting this up.:salute:

Ohms
Nov-14-2011, 07:06
Went up and down the coast at 15000ft for 1.5hr and we did not see one blue.Still had fun!:laugh1

ATAG_Snapper
Nov-14-2011, 09:23
Went up and down the coast at 15000ft for 1.5hr and we did not see one blue.Still had fun!:laugh1

That's usually my experience, in my case because I'm blind as a bat spotting ANY aircraft -- including friendlies! Fortunately for me, Bliss, Dutch & Co were calling out enemy contact positions, courses, and altitudes which enabled Mr.Magoo (me) to eventually stumble upon an enemy twin-engine. Before I could get into firing position my stupid PC crashed! :0:

Gotta love Teamspeak though.:dthumb:

5./JG27Rudelmann
Nov-14-2011, 17:18
:thumbsup: to the guys for showing up, hope everyone enjoyed it.

Ohmie, sorry about that, this was supposed to be the most intense mission we're running, with 11 different bomber flights, comprising almost 100 bombers total. However, due to a coding error on my part, only 12 Stuka's showed up (and a few random recon elements). 2 of those Stuka's didn't make it over Calais before they crashed (not sure why, can't replicate the problem.)

I'm hoping we can run this again, after a patch and end of launcher crashes. Or perhaps, roll back to one of the beta patches prior to this, and try again.

Ohms
Nov-14-2011, 19:27
Oh no problem Rudelman as I said still had great time.I am glad you are spending so much time on the campaign so we can all have fun without having to do any of the hard work ourselves.That comment also applies to the Atag guys as well,a big thank you to all!:dthumb:

ATAG_Bliss
Nov-14-2011, 19:45
I had a great time. I had put a couple shots into a 109 while yoyoing for few minutes. I finally get the sights lined up for a perfect deflection shot on a climb, then just a slit second before I was about to fire, my screen goes black:sad!:

This bloody 110 had sneaked up and pilot killed me :Grin:

It was some great work on coms by you guys. I should of known. Isn't that rule #1? The second you think you have the perfect shot on someone else, look behind you!

Great teamwork on your guy's part and great fun! :thumbsup:

5./JG27Rudelmann
Nov-14-2011, 22:36
Yes, major props to ATAG, especially Bliss, without his sharing of information with me, and giving me ideas how to accomplish certain things, none of it would have been possible.

Bliss, don't feel bad, Homuth (the 110 driver) is our resident H-J Marsielle. The man is an amazing shot, and quite the pilot. If he weren't in the 110, I doubt you'd have gotten that close to Farber! (I was lost mid-channel waiting forlornly for my missing bombers)

ATAG_JTDawg
Nov-15-2011, 00:41
:eek: I just read on banna forum where next campaign ,just clans :eek: Why? not all non clan members are lone wolves! I fly wingman each time everytime,with 1 to 4 guys at a time, im helpful an a team player, why (ruddleman) should i be punished for not being in a clan!. An can name lots more of us so called lone wolves! Who fly an feel the same way .We are the ones that spotted the 110s an directed the spits to target on south point .we did what we were told stay high on patrols,an we did .WOW STILL AMAZED :eek:

5./JG27Rudelmann
Nov-16-2011, 17:08
Deleted out of respect to Bliss and ATAG

ATAG_Bliss
Nov-16-2011, 17:20
Guys,

I think there's a big miss-understanding here. As the middle-man here :goofy:, it looks like JTDawg posted up on 1c and without knowing him, you'd think he was chewing some ass (posting in CAPS etc.,etc.,) so it elevated the situation a bit. The final outcome is there was never a problem with anyone playing, and while the next campaign rules were yet to be finalized it looks like the squad only requirement wasn't set in stone. Just a huge misunderstanding me thinks.

So in closing, watch this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tdc2vWghZE

5./JG27Rudelmann
Nov-16-2011, 18:57
The way I read it, he don't even care for playing with squadrons like yours Bliss, and your acceptance of everyone who wanted to come. The logistics of trying to get everyone proper briefings, where to go, and passwords when 20+ people signed up individually is daunting to say the least. No longer my concern though...