FW-190D-9 Research

[Silver_Dragon]

FW-190D-9

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=121101

Hello,

I'm writing a manual for DCS Fw 190D-9. It's generally finished; however there are some holes in the historical reference we have. Some of the more obscure systems are not very well described at all, or at least, not in the way that we need to properly model them in a flight sim.

Here's my list.

1. Is there any info on the technical specs of the boosted controls?
By looking at the blueprints we can easily see the simple mechanism, but we need numbers. Is there anything like a graph or a text that says that for x degrees of control deflection you get y degrees of surface movement?

2. Same question for the engine's Bediengerät. Are there any numbers on it, precise data, as in, for an input of x, the device outputs y?

3. We cannot find good info on MW-50 Controls. Where is the On-Off switch? What does it look like (assuming Fl 32350). What about the MW-B4-Selector?

4. How does the Notzug system interact with the MW-50 system?

5. Is there the Auto-Hand Luftschraube switch with the corresponding rocker switch on the throttle, as on the earlier variants?

6. We could use more info on the pull-out Kuhlerklappen handle. When was it used? What effect did the flaps have? Was it in any way connected with the Bediengerät?

7. Is there a good quality hydraulic system diagram anywhere?

8. We need better info on the circuit breaker on the right console. What were all the buttons? What were the standard captions for each?

9. We need better oxygen system info: tank capacity, which order the tanks were used in, approx. oxygen supply at different altitudes.

10. Some references have the left console with only one FuG 16 ZY frequency dial, while others have a second one next to it.
The first one we’re clear on, but the second one – the FuG 16 ZY Handbuch does not seem to mention it, but it's right there in the aircraft Ersatzteilliste. We have no idea what the switch does.

11. The Frequency dial – what do the frequencies actually do?
The I position is for Y-Führungsfrequenz, or Management frequency.
The II position is for Gruppenbefehlsfrequenz, or Group Order frequency.
The ∆ position is for Nah-Flugsicherungsfrequenz, or the Air Traffic Control frequency.
The □ position is for Reichsjägerfrequenz, or Reich Fighter Defense Frequency.
That we're clear on. What they were used for however, we need more info on that.

12. The frequency dial and the AD 18 switch – what in the world does it affect? What's E-Messbetrieb? What's Zielflug-Anzeige? How did they actually work? What were the cockpit procedures?

And why does the FuG-16 Handbuch only list interactions with AD 18 for Frequenzschalter in positions I and II, and nothing about ∆and □?

13. What did the earphone plug look like?

14. What did the Flugzeugvernichter button look like? A cockpit diagram from the Lehrmittel appears to show it as an actual cockpit control on the right console.

15. What did the Dora's “Hinweisschild u.Bauteilschild” look like?

16. What did the Dora's Baumusterkarte look like?

[coolhand3011]

I love that they are hard up for details but if they are lacking stuff like

4. How does the Notzug system interact with the MW-50 system?"

How are we going to get a Me-262? Is the 262 that much better documented than the Dora?

[Marmus]

I love that they are hard up for details but if they are lacking stuff like

4. How does the Notzug system interact with the MW-50 system?"

How are we going to get a Me-262? Is the 262 that much better documented than the Dora?

I believe it is...there is a 2 or 3 volume book published with details of the 262. They also just built like (3) 262's from scratch using a surviving plane from wwII as a base. They fully restored the original 262 in the process and gave it back to the US Navy, who owned it. There site used to be www.stormbirds.com, but it appears to be down.

[coolhand3011]

Ah cool deal, just hard to believe the Dora is less documented than the 262 or the 109 K4. Can't wait for this to finally get on my computer!

[ATAG_Striker]

hey silver you could prob tell them to visit the national air force museum in Dayton Ohio they have a dora there and prob have documents on it.:salute:

[Manoxerox]

3. We cannot find good info on MW-50 Controls. Where is the On-Off switch? What does it look like (assuming Fl 32350). What about the MW-B4-Selector?

There is a good picture of a FW 190 D-9 cockpit with MW-50 switch and pipeworks in Richard Franks's book of Dora and Ta-152. Unfortunately I don't have that book so I can't upload that pic, but that book is published by Valiant Wings Publishing Ltd in 2012.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

It's the same old story... American aircraft are the easiest to replicate... the Japanese, Italian and German the most difficult.

Nature of the winner/loser equation...

[Foul Ole Ron]

Very true. One of the main reasons ED did the Mustang in the first place is that they felt it was by far the best documented plane in WW2 when it came to proper scientific data. I think for the 190 they're going to have to make some approximations. Or at least I hope they do and get the beta out quickly. If better data comes in over time they can incorporate it later.

[Silver_Dragon]

Fw-190D-9 WIP:
https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics

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[9./JG52 Jamz Dackel]

Fw-190D-9 WIP:
https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics

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Thats the same AI external shot

[Foul Ole Ron]

Some news from Yo-Yo on the Dora - hopefully we'll be seeing this hit beta sometime in the not too distant future

"I have good news about Dora: the main systems work, the prop and the engine are functioning and verified (maybe some tweaks for an engine regarding mixture strength and matching the throttle and the injection pump characteristics). The airframe aerodynamics is being tuned now. Some tweaks still required for undergear, etc."

[The ghost]

Is this still going to be it's own standalone product? Or will we have to wait until more of the DCS WWII aircraft are done?

[Chuck_Owl]

Is this still going to be it's own standalone product? Or will we have to wait until more of the DCS WWII aircraft are done?

Last time I checked, they were planning it as both a stand-alone and a DCS WWII version.

[The ghost]

Last time I checked, they were planning it as both a stand-alone and a DCS WWII version.

Good to know, I want a foe for the P-51D and I don't want to wait for DCS WWII to get one.

[Foul Ole Ron]

There's been a couple of posts by Yo-Yo recently on the Russian forums about the 190. One was pretty much mangled by Google translate but the second said that development on the 190 is basically done. Hopefully we'll be seeing a beta soon!

[Silver_Dragon]

From ED Facebook, new pics of Fw-190D-9
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[LuseKofte]

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!focke-wulf-fw-190d-9/c129j

[Foul Ole Ron]

FW190 D-9 on the way in August - looks like they've locked it that release date now

From Wags:

DUXFORD, UK, June 16th, 2014 – The Fighter Collection and Eagle Dynamics will release DCS: Fw190 D-9 Dora as a digital download in August 2014

The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 is widely regarded as Germany's best fighter aircraft of World War II. Its appearance in the skies over France in August 1941 was a rude shock to the Allies, as it was clearly superior to any other plane. For nearly a year, the Fw 190 was the unmatched champion of the air war in Europe. The Fw 190 had speed and high altitude performance as its two great assets.

The development of advanced allied fighters resulted in the Fw 190 D–9 variant which first saw service in September 1944. This variant had a larger nose that housed a more powerful Junkers Jumo engine that produced 2,100 hp with the MW-50 boost system. The D-9 was designed for high altitude aerial combat and is a worthy adversary to the P-51D Mustang.

Teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x1gi6vyn8g&feature=youtu.be

Key Features of the DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora:

• Unmatched flight physics that allow you to truly feel what it's like to fly this legend.
• Highly detailed, six-degrees-of-freedom (6 DOF) cockpit.
• Interact with cockpit controls with your mouse.
• Accurate Fw 190 D-9 model, squadron markings, and weapons.
• Detailed modelling the Fw 190 D-9 instruments, weapons, engine, radios, fuel, and electrical systems.
• Battle the P-51D Mustang in single and multiplayer games.

ABOUT DCS WORLD

Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) is a free-to-play digital battlefield game, focusing on a military aircraft simulation. It includes a FREE TF-P1D Mustang and a Su-25T attack aircraft. DCS World includes a vast mission area of the Caucasus region that encompasses much of Georgia - the location of the 2008 conflict. Further maps will be available in 2014.

Additionally, DCS World includes:

• Powerful mission and campaign editors
• Multiplayer
• Massive inventory of air, land and sea combat units and weapons
• Advanced AI
• Fast mission generator
• Dynamic weather and seasons
• Training missions
• Mission replay system
• Pilot log book

This all allows the creation of engaging, real-world combat missions in this flashpoint region. DCS is a true "sandbox" simulation that can and will cover multiple time periods covering many types of combat and civilian units. DCS World allows both realistic game play and more relaxed game play to suit the player.

Download DCS World for free from: www.dcs-world.com

About The Fighter Collection

The Fighter Collection, as well as developing software for the entertainment and serious game markets, also operates, rebuilds and maintains Europe's largest collection of airworthy WWII fighters and is based at Duxford Airfield, in the UK. For more information visit our websites: http://www.fighter-collection.com/

[Silver_Dragon]

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[Silver_Dragon]

Erich Brunoutte, Fw-190D-9 alive pilot, test DCS: Fw-190D-9 and get your impressions.

https://youtu.be/pvKs9VLUcCg

[DoubleStandards]

I love watching video with actual WWII fighter pilots. I wonder if that gentleman had any kind of nistalgia flying a DCS 190 or is it so far removed from the real thing that all he saw was a "video game"

DS

[TheVino3]

I love watching video with actual WWII fighter pilots. I wonder if that gentleman had any kind of nistalgia flying a DCS 190 or is it so far removed from the real thing that all he saw was a "video game"

DS

I think that, being of a different generation, he wouldn't be in the "video game mindset". That is to say, when you play video games a lot, such as flight simulators, you suspend your disbelief somewhat more easily, so it feels more immersive. It's easier to make a simulator or game feel "real", if you are used to playing them, and if you are already fairly familiar with a particular game or engine.

I suspect that, for him, it probably just felt like a "video game", as he wouldn't have grown up playing video games, and his brain would probably just treat it as a thing on a screen, rather than immersing itself inside the simulator.

I'm only guessing, obviously I haven't met him, but thats generally my experience with...ahem...older folk and video games :D

[Silver_Dragon]

Something has change on the Fw-190D-9 on DCS: W 1.5.4 beta version. Now, can arm the Fw-190D-9 with RAM-4M or WGr-21 rockets. Not sure if the AI can use them vs other aircrafts.

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Edit: That rockets are functional on first persona and has very deadly :D