Mysticpuma
Feb-25-2014, 07:50
I posted this on the Eagle Dynamics forums and most people agree apart from tttigger. His reply to me saying the smoke was fine was:
"I can't recall seeing any film showing a P-51D firing its guns. Gun camera footage, sure, but not external film showing the guns themselves.
I've seen many .50s fired for real (and fired quite a few myself) but never six simultaneously in flight. Here is a film of a P-51D firing its guns on the ground and there is considerable smoke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWCCL_AzoA
Some research to see what it really looked like on a P-51D in flight would be helpful instead of saying you don't like it. Something more objective would be a better argument."
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So, check out that smoke...yes, there is 'some', no, it isn't a fog cloud that can't be seen through.
I just posted this footage online of the DCS P-51 firing it's guns and also tracked down some .50 calibre footage from moving aircraft.
Here's my footage:
http://youtu.be/vbz-_sLokdY
I wonder how many P-51 pilots were shot down as they couldn't see through the opaque gunsmoke fog that surrounded them on an attack run?
While I really like DCS P-51 and the great attention to detail in it's FM, there really are some features that could do with a bit of love
Gunsmoke really needs to be dialled back if it is compared to this real footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWCCL_AzoA
If you watch the real footage from 1m 10sec you can see that while the gun produces smoke, it is not opaque and certainly doesn't block the view? Take also into account that these aircraft would be travelling at at-least 150mph and the smoke would not hang around like it is seen in the real footage which steadily builds up.
Check out this footage of a P-47 which has 8x .50 Calibre guns, all firing on a strafing run. Look how the smoke extends as a short thin trail behind the wing. Now remove a gun from each wing....does DCS P-51 really match that effect? Example of gun smoke from P-47 at 25m 20 secs and again just before 25m 30 secs
http://youtu.be/hdtUxTBC_b4
And finally would the smoke really do what it shows in my video? It looks really wrong as it moves in a clockwise circle from the guns?
Hopefully it will be tweaked/corrected or fixed in a future update. I mean, am I wrong here or is tttigger just trolling?
Cheers, MP
"I can't recall seeing any film showing a P-51D firing its guns. Gun camera footage, sure, but not external film showing the guns themselves.
I've seen many .50s fired for real (and fired quite a few myself) but never six simultaneously in flight. Here is a film of a P-51D firing its guns on the ground and there is considerable smoke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWCCL_AzoA
Some research to see what it really looked like on a P-51D in flight would be helpful instead of saying you don't like it. Something more objective would be a better argument."
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So, check out that smoke...yes, there is 'some', no, it isn't a fog cloud that can't be seen through.
I just posted this footage online of the DCS P-51 firing it's guns and also tracked down some .50 calibre footage from moving aircraft.
Here's my footage:
http://youtu.be/vbz-_sLokdY
I wonder how many P-51 pilots were shot down as they couldn't see through the opaque gunsmoke fog that surrounded them on an attack run?
While I really like DCS P-51 and the great attention to detail in it's FM, there really are some features that could do with a bit of love
Gunsmoke really needs to be dialled back if it is compared to this real footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWCCL_AzoA
If you watch the real footage from 1m 10sec you can see that while the gun produces smoke, it is not opaque and certainly doesn't block the view? Take also into account that these aircraft would be travelling at at-least 150mph and the smoke would not hang around like it is seen in the real footage which steadily builds up.
Check out this footage of a P-47 which has 8x .50 Calibre guns, all firing on a strafing run. Look how the smoke extends as a short thin trail behind the wing. Now remove a gun from each wing....does DCS P-51 really match that effect? Example of gun smoke from P-47 at 25m 20 secs and again just before 25m 30 secs
http://youtu.be/hdtUxTBC_b4
And finally would the smoke really do what it shows in my video? It looks really wrong as it moves in a clockwise circle from the guns?
Hopefully it will be tweaked/corrected or fixed in a future update. I mean, am I wrong here or is tttigger just trolling?
Cheers, MP