Ju88 and He111 after P 4.30, very first impressions

[EG14_Marcast]

I made 4 flights on the Ju88 and 1 on the He111. For the Ju88, first good take off after three attempts ended in a funeral pire.The aircraft turns completely around in taxiing and rolls to death at wheels off if you are not extremely smooth (possible that such a rudder sensitivity was historical? Ok, we’ll get used to that). Once (if) you are airborne, the positive side is that you have no more the odd “nose all up” behavior when you raise flaps; the aircraft now climbs smoothly. The negative side is that it doesn’t climb any more. With full bomb load and 70% fuel (now fuel capacity is much less than before) I could get only 200 kmh at a rate of climb of 5 (before the patch it was almost 300). An attempt to get a steeper angle of climb ended almost in a stall, so I kept quite. But the result was that from Barly I could only reach 2700 m. over Montdidier (4000 m. before the patch). Again, historical? I must say that I always had some doubt about the rocket-like rate of climb of the Ju88….but now it’s practically the same than the He111. Two other important shortcomings: 1) It’s now very hard to use autopilot while climbing, the aircraft starts to yaw more and more, and 2) it’s now practically impossible to stop the R22 nose bouncing. I had it in the fìrst three flights, not in the last one maybe because I engaged it when I was almost levelled, I must try again. All in all, I must say that I preferred it before the patch but this is only the first impression, we’ll see further on.

About the He111 I didn’t find so many changes (finally the silly system to manage water radiators has been corrected). No problems in take off and now that its speed is not so far from Ju88’s, this aircraft in my opinion is absolutely to prefer in level bombing missions. That will be the most due to the much increased flak accuracy (please mission builders remove some AAA batteries from the actual maps or it will be an endless slaughter).

[Torric270]

I made 4 flights on the Ju88 and 1 on the He111. For the Ju88, first good take off after three attempts ended in a funeral pire.The aircraft turns completely around in taxiing and rolls to death at wheels off if you are not extremely smooth (possible that such a rudder sensitivity was historical? Ok, we’ll get used to that). Once (if) you are airborne, the positive side is that you have no more the odd “nose all up” behavior when you raise flaps; the aircraft now climbs smoothly. The negative side is that it doesn’t climb any more. With full bomb load and 70% fuel (now fuel capacity is much less than before) I could get only 200 kmh at a rate of climb of 5 (before the patch it was almost 300). An attempt to get a steeper angle of climb ended almost in a stall, so I kept quite. But the result was that from Barly I could only reach 2700 m. over Montdidier (4000 m. before the patch). Again, historical? I must say that I always had some doubt about the rocket-like rate of climb of the Ju88….but now it’s practically the same than the He111. Two other important shortcomings: 1) It’s now very hard to use autopilot while climbing, the aircraft starts to yaw more and more, and 2) it’s now practically impossible to stop the R22 nose bouncing. I had it in the fìrst three flights, not in the last one maybe because I engaged it when I was almost levelled, I must try again. All in all, I must say that I preferred it before the patch but this is only the first impression, we’ll see further on.

About the He111 I didn’t find so many changes (finally the silly system to manage water radiators has been corrected). No problems in take off and now that its speed is not so far from Ju88’s, this aircraft in my opinion is absolutely to prefer in level bombing missions. That will be the most due to the much increased flak accuracy (please mission builders remove some AAA batteries from the actual maps or it will be an endless slaughter).

For takeoffs and taxiing, the 88 has a tail wheel lock that can help there.

For climbs try 220 hm/h, AP works fine there if you have the ailerons trimmed correctly.

For nose bounce, add a touch of flaps before hitting mode 22, this usually ends the nose bouncing sooner (switching back and forth to mode course) and you won't lose so much alt.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

As has been mentioned, the Ju-88 climbs much better at a higher speed. This aircraft had a low drag aerofoil, one of the reasons it had a much high top speed than the Heinkels, but this also means it climbs best at lower angles of attack and higher speed.

Testers have reached 9200 m with a lower fuel load and no bombs, 7800 m with bombs and a lower fuel load.

You don't need 70% fuel to fly most missions in CoD. The Ju-88's advantage is that when you reach your cruise altitude, you are much faster than the Heinkels.

The Heinkels have a lower stall speed and a higher lift, higher drag aerofoil and climb best at a lower speed.

[III./ZG76_Keller]

I'd never take more than 34% fuel in an Ju-88 and a He-111. No target is far enough away to require 70% fuel.

I usually take 34% in a He-111 and after a 1.5 to 2 hour flight still have more than 250L left in each tank.

[Torric270]

With less fuel now 50% would be a good starting point, plus you won't have to worry about transferring fuel.

[trademe900]

70% fuel is a horrendous amount of fuel Marcast, you already knew that though right?

Apart from the level autopilot nose bobbing, I do not have the problems you are getting. In fact as I write this message I have my game minimized and plane on autopilot climbing and haven't touched it once. In fact, this is the one area I found a noticeable difference with; The heinkel is now more stable and not so much like a 'boat'. It feels fantastic. Big lift wing hoisting the plane up for the low speed climb! The ju88 flight model accuracy seems awesome now and I think everyone will agree with me that it was a friggin rocket before and people could sense something wasn't accurate with it (if you consider power to weight ratio of the real specs). I remember many times flying it where our escorts were finding it hard to catch up and pull us in, and also times when enemy fighters just could not catch us- all whilst carrying 2.4 tonnes of bombs! Great work from the TF guys in tracking down the error that the game had with the power to weight ratio and fuel tanks.

[EG14_Marcast]

70% fuel is a horrendous amount of fuel Marcast, you already knew that though right?


In the Readme file:

"Ju-88A Fuel loads and unloaded weight

Fuel loads in the Ju-88A internal tanks have been corrected to amounts carried by the historical aircraft. The game had incorrectly given the aircraft internal fuel equivalent to the amount carried by both internal tanks as well as the amount which could be carried in optional droppable or jettisonable tanks which historically could be mounted in the bombbay or on the wings on the bomb racks. (these are not available currently in the game)

Fuel load is now 415 liters for the outboard internal tanks and 425 liters for the inboard internal tanks."

Fuel load has been reduced. I tried my first flight with 30% fuel and the gauge was very low....I don't think that we can get anymore from Caen to Portsmouth with 25%.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Players should also remember, the maximum bomb load which the Ju-88 and Heinkels can carry is not necessarily the bomb load carried by the real aircraft historically.

Normal bomb load was not maximum. And for longer range missions, bomb load had to be reduced even more to allow for extra fuel weight. :salute:

[Spinal Tap]

About the He111 I didn’t find so many changes (finally the silly system to manage water radiators has been corrected). No problems in take off and now that its speed is not so far from Ju88’s, this aircraft in my opinion is absolutely to prefer in level bombing missions. That will be the most due to the much increased flak accuracy (please mission builders remove some AAA batteries from the actual maps or it will be an endless slaughter).

Really? The new He11 feels way heavier while maneuvering, in a good way. Feels more realistic for a plane of that size. Also the speed of it seemed higher than before, as you said it is almost as quick as a ju88.

[EG14_Marcast]

Tonight everything worked fine on the Ju88, thanks for advices! :thumbsup: