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    G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Did some research..And couldn't find anything on this problem I'm having. The problem could just be my settings, but it's odd. There seems to be something associated with the G50 cockpit that affects my trackir. I run a trackir3 with the trackir 5 software. I don't have any problems in any other cockpit other that the G50. It doesn't matter if I'm in a completely dark room or just dimly lit. I use the reflective buttons mounted to my headset. I have a hard time believing it's a setting though because I can fly all day without a glitch or hiccup in any other aircraft. Then I can climb in a G50..And my trackir will freak out ( at the worst possible times it seems) like it's losing track of my head or something is reflecting back at me From the screen) and casing it to glitch. Anyone else have this problem with the G50?

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Does trackir 3 has 6DOF?

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Do you wear glasses?
    I sometimes have issues with my glasses reflecting the sun making TIR jump all around. I guess they could reflect the screen too and something in the G50 could be aggravating it.

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    @Lolsav..Yes the trackir 3 has 6 Dof. @ Colander..No I don't wear glasses..But prob should..Haha. I'm almost convinced there is something in the G50 cockpit that is the culprit. Was hoping someone else was encountering the same issue. I even turned off shadows to see if it helped but it didn't. Stumped on this one. It's especially irretating.. Because the G50 is one of my most favorite planes to fly..Heh

    You haven't experienced anything like this Lolsav? I know u fly the G50 often as well..

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    No i havent. I asked about 6DOF because i had something in mind. You do know that you can raise your head inside the G50 cockpit? Maybe its way too sensitive or gets out of range when you do that, even if its unintended?

    I have my trackir profile shared in downloads section, but since you are using a version 3 i dont know if it will work for you. Might worth to try that.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Yeah I do know that..And I know the Profiles are in different formats. I think yours might work because I have tried Kushvipers or Karayas. People's tastes and setups are so different, that their profiles didn't work for me at all. But I never thought of putting one in just to see if I still have problems with the G50. I'll give it a go tonight..I'll be on later.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ribbs View Post
    Did some research..And couldn't find anything on this problem I'm having. The problem could just be my settings, but it's odd. There seems to be something associated with the G50 cockpit that affects my trackir. I run a trackir3 with the trackir 5 software. I don't have any problems in any other cockpit other that the G50. It doesn't matter if I'm in a completely dark room or just dimly lit. I use the reflective buttons mounted to my headset. I have a hard time believing it's a setting though because I can fly all day without a glitch or hiccup in any other aircraft. Then I can climb in a G50..And my trackir will freak out ( at the worst possible times it seems) like it's losing track of my head or something is reflecting back at me From the screen) and casing it to glitch. Anyone else have this problem with the G50?

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    I'm getting this problem, Ribbs. Just in the 50, too. Especially when I look around.

    I updated the driver about 3-4 weeks ago. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.
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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by DRock View Post
    I'm getting this problem, Ribbs. Just in the 50, too. Especially when I look around.

    I updated the driver about 3-4 weeks ago. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.
    What driver are you running now? I had to go through so much just to get the 368.81 drivers to work.. I'm hesitant to update..But if it fixed the problem then I might give it a shot since I fly the G50 the most on the blue side.

    And are you having to run land shading on low with the new drivers?

    It sucks that you're having issues..But it makes me feel a little better knowing I'm not the only one having this problem. Only in the G50

    Also do you run the reflective tabs (Track clip) or do u run the Led's

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ribbs View Post
    What driver are you running now? I had to go through so much just to get the 368.81 drivers to work.. I'm hesitant to update..But if it fixed the problem then I might give it a shot since I fly the G50 the most on the blue side.

    And are you having to run land shading on low with the new drivers?

    It sucks that you're having issues..But it makes me feel a little better knowing I'm not the only one having this problem. Only in the G50

    Also do you run the reflective tabs (Track clip) or do u run the Led's

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    Hi Ribbs.

    Now that I think about it, I actually searched for the new TrackIR driver, because I was getting studders in game. I was hoping it would fix the problem, but it didn't.

    I'm using the TrackIR Pro clip (led)

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    The problem is similar to when sunlight comes through the window, blinding the TrackIR.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Hmmmmm im starting to think other option, much more logical.

    Considering that i have trackir Pro Clip and TrackIr V5 and i dont suffer from the same problems i am tempted to suggest something ... quite normal.

    Here it goes: How often you boys look around in the G50, specially to 6 oclock? Im going to bet you will do it much more often than you do in a 109 or even a Spit. If so, are the edges of Trackir properly configured? Meaning: Do you have your trackir camera so centered it almost gives 2 twists around when you move your head? What about looking up? What happens to trackir?

    In resume: I think its you guys configuration of your trackir profile + camera positioning.

    What profile are you 2 using?

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    An easy test...
    Next time you get the TIR jumping, try lowering the monitor brightness and see if it improves.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    An easy test...
    Next time you get the TIR jumping, try lowering the monitor brightness and see if it improves.
    Not following... unless you are expecting the light from the monitor to reflect in their glasses? (the other option was that both of them are baldies and were reflecting the light from their shinny heads )

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lolsav View Post
    Not following... unless you are expecting the light from the monitor to reflect in their glasses? (the other option was that both of them are baldies and were reflecting the light from their shinny heads )
    Well, if the issue is with:
    1.- TIR which works by reflecting light from the cap and reading it in the camera
    2.- G50 somehow messing with the above light

    Then lowering the brightness would make a difference. If it does, then there's some weird G50 color issue with TIR. If it doesn't, then is not related to the monitor.
    If is not related to the monitor, then it is something else that only affects in the G50 (as you say, it could be the fact that there is no cockpit and more movement is allowed).

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Hey Lolsav.. I tried your profile last night, and it seemed to work pretty good and was thinking may e that was it, and it seemed to me it was working great until I spotted an enemy and it started to jump around even worse than my profile does. I'm thinking about switching to the led setup..But DRock says his still does it. I will tell you DRock if you haven't done it already.. file the front of your LED 's flat..And polish them back up. The trackir will see them alot better. That was a trick I learned using freetrack. I might try and build an LED setup for Trackir. I'm hoping the 3 supports it with the 5 software.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    spoke too soon, problem is back.
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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Yeah it's crazy.. I don't think it was really reported before because not alot of people flew it and didn't see it as a bug. But now that more people are I notice it alot. Only in the G50 does it cause my Trackir to " jump" around.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Did you open the doors?
    I don't even use trackers, but this is causing my view to jump around.
    With open doors, you are able too look more outside of the plane than with closed doors, theres more freedom.
    Open doors are jumping during flight (also when not noticed), the view gets messed up because the freedom gets drecreased again. Almost same like you close the hatch of spitfire and all the other planes.
    Also Brennus reported a bug, that the cockpit model of the G50 is quite broad, wich makes it's view to look around limited compared to the other cockpits.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by Tibsun View Post
    Did you open the doors?
    I don't even use trackers, but this is causing my view to jump around.
    With open doors, you are able too look more outside of the plane than with closed doors, theres more freedom.
    Open doors are jumping during flight (also when not noticed), the view gets messed up because the freedom gets drecreased again. Almost same like you close the hatch of spitfire and all the other planes.
    Also Brennus reported a bug, that the cockpit model of the G50 is quite broad, wich makes it's view to look around limited compared to the other cockpits.
    Very interesting..you might be on to something Tibsun! I do fly with the doors open alot. i will check this out more

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ribbs View Post
    Very interesting..you might be on to something Tibsun! I do fly with the doors open alot. i will check this out more

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    I tried the open door thing. It didn't change anything.

    Maybe it's a graphic card issue, Ribbs?

    It seems to be worse over cities where my card is pushed to its limits.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    I haven't noticed it being worse over cities..And I had the same problem when I was running my GTX 660..As I do now with the 1060. It's so spuratic..It's hard to nail down a cause. I always thought it was when I was looking at the sun because on Op relinquish..The sun is low towards the end of the map..But that's not always the case. I do seem to get it more once an enemy plane shows up..Or at certain angles looking through the windscreen... Almost like something is reflecting. I'm going to see if I can run the game in window mode so I can see my trackir screen to see if it's showing anything odd.

    I always fly with the doors open..So that's what made me think Tibsun was on to something. They flop up and down..And if the went all the way up and you were outside of the cockpit a bit your view would jump... But it's not always happing in hard turn dogfights..Happens in level flight as well.
    I also feel like it happens only when I look slightly to my left.. what about you DRock?

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Yes, slight left head turn is worse.

    Just a few tests and observations.

    -screen brightness doesn't seem to have an effect. (Not 100% sure, though. I don't wear glasses either)

    -open hatch doesn't effect it.

    -this only happens in the G50.

    -sunlight doesn't have an effect.

    -TrackIR is working fine in the calibration screen.

    -dogfights seem to make it worse.

    -good internet connection at ~50


    I'm using the GTX650Ti by the way.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Good observation DRock.. I feel like we're making some progress.. will take a look tonight and fly the G50..To do some more observations.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Are both of you guys using the same version of track IR? I haven't been able to reproduce this yet on my setup. I flew quite a few single player quick missions last night in G50 to test and never once had a problem of my tracking acting crazy. Was hoping I could help you gents get something narrowed down. I use TrackIR5 with the led array attached to a headset. I am isolated from light where my comp is. Is there ANY chance that you have a keybind set to head pan and something else or something like that?

    **Also .. is this only in MP or in SP as well?

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Also if you don't see them jumping into your eyes as I said, also when you don't notice them jumping like in level flight or taxiing on the ground, they are causing my view to jump, so just fly with closed doors and see if it still appears.
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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    I use a trackir3..With the 5 software. I flew around last night a bit..I only play MP. I flew with the doors shut ..And it still did it. It seems to do it most when I start to look to my left. Not like a quick turn to the left..Just a slow pan. It's like when my eyes cross the windscreen post supports.( Almost still looking straight ahead. It also seems to happen more when aircraft are in view. I will try some single player mission to see if it happens there as well.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    This problem seems to be cleared up with the newest windows updates.

    Thanks for all the help, Guys.

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    I don't fly the G-50 very often... (don't fly the game very often lately... ) but I flew it on the weekend and didn't have any problem, even in some tight maneuvering dogfights where I had to be looking around and directly behind me a lot when I had a scissors with a Spit who got on my tail... which I reversed.

    And I am using the track hat clip, which is worse than the Trackclip IR. (my trackclip is worse for the wear after my brothers dog decided to give it a chew)

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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    So I flew the G50 for a bit last night. I did notice that my trackir jumped around when my doors we open. When I closed them it seemed to go away. I didn't get to fly it for very long, as the map ended shortly after. Timber was flying a G50 as well and he mentioned his trackir was jumping a bit..And I asked him if he had his doors open. He told me he jettisoned them off. I know DRock said that it didn't fix his flying with the doors closed so I'm still stumped. Hopefully tonight I will be able to fly it again to check it out more. Does anyone know if a trackir3 is able to use the LED head clip? I just use the reflective hat clip.
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    Re: G50 cockpit and Trackir

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ribbs View Post
    So I flew the G50 for a bit last night. I did notice that my trackir jumped around when my doors we open. When I closed them it seemed to go away. I didn't get to fly it for very long, as the map ended shortly after. Timber was flying a G50 as well and he mentioned his trackir was jumping a bit..And I asked him if he had his doors open. He told me he jettisoned them off. I know DRock said that it didn't fix his flying with the doors closed so I'm still stumped. Hopefully tonight I will be able to fly it again to check it out more. Does anyone know if a trackir3 is able to use the LED head clip? I just use the reflective hat clip.
    I think the problem is related to the open door.

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