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    Tiger Moth Event?

    Hello all,

    Like many of you, I am often tempted to take up a Tiger Moth on the main server, but the opportunities are rare and the opposition is quite severe. For some time I have imagined how much fun it might be to face off on a more level playing field, barring all monoplanes and staging more of a WWI scale battle with biplanes only. Is anyone else interested? We could establish an hour or so that is agreeable for all of us to meet up on the Beta 4.53 server this Saturday (something like 19:00 GMT?) and see how it goes. If we could establish two teams of at least five pilots we might be in for quite a good time.

    Please let me know if there is any demand for this sort of thing and feel free to share thoughts and suggestions.


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlMarks View Post
    Hello all,

    Like many of you, I am often tempted to take up a Tiger Moth on the main server, but the opportunities are rare and the opposition is quite severe. For some time I have imagined how much fun it might be to face off on a more level playing field, barring all monoplanes and staging more of a WWI scale battle with biplanes only. Is anyone else interested? We could establish an hour or so that is agreeable for all of us to meet up on the Beta 4.53 server this Saturday (something like 19:00 GMT?) and see how it goes. If we could establish two teams of at least five pilots we might be in for quite a good time.

    Please let me know if there is any demand for this sort of thing and feel free to share thoughts and suggestions.

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Sounds like fun to me!

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Count me in! just confirm me the day and the time!

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Yes, I'm interested - this is a great idea!


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Great idea CM, but i have commitments this w/e.


    @Scones - have to admit that i had to translate your sig. Guess I've let my Latin slip these past few years......

    In fact it has been an annus horribilis in regards to my languages....
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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by farley View Post
    Great idea CM, but i have commitments this w/e.


    @Scones - have to admit that i had to translate your sig. Guess I've let my Latin slip these past few years......

    In fact it has been an annus horribilis in regards to my languages....
    Drat. We will miss you Farley, but hopefully this event won't be the last of its kind

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Sounds like some down and dirty fun! I will try my best to be there!
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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    I shall be there ,been wanting to do this for a while now,see you all on Saturday.

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by farley View Post
    Great idea CM, but i have commitments this w/e.


    @Scones - have to admit that i had to translate your sig. Guess I've let my Latin slip these past few years......

    In fact it has been an annus horribilis in regards to my languages....
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    Sorry to hear you won't be at the event.


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    I provided an all Tiger Moth Server setup to ATAG on the launch of 4.5... but so far they haven't put it up.

    Called it 'Tiger Moth Island'... set on the Volcanic island map and just one hour long... just a fun-type romp.

    Both the blue and red sides have the same planeset... all the Tiger types... plus there are some ground vehicles driveable and targets to bomb.

    HINT: Bug Pantast or Freya and maybe they'll put it into the rotation.

    I think players would find it a blast.

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    I provided an all Tiger Moth Server setup to ATAG on the launch of 4.5... but so far they haven't put it up.

    Called it 'Tiger Moth Island'... set on the Volcanic island map and just one hour long... just a fun-type romp.

    Both the blue and red sides have the same planeset... all the Tiger types... plus there are some ground vehicles driveable and targets to bomb.

    HINT: Bug Pantast or Freya and maybe they'll put it into the rotation.

    I think players would find it a blast.
    I had heard rumors of this sort of thing being in the works- sounds exciting!

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    I provided an all Tiger Moth Server setup to ATAG on the launch of 4.5... but so far they haven't put it up.

    Called it 'Tiger Moth Island'... set on the Volcanic island map and just one hour long... just a fun-type romp.

    Both the blue and red sides have the same planeset... all the Tiger types... plus there are some ground vehicles driveable and targets to bomb.

    HINT: Bug Pantast or Freya and maybe they'll put it into the rotation.

    I think players would find it a blast.
    Oh yes, this look promising!

    Thanks Buzzsaw!


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Added it to the TWC forums - hope to see you online then!

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Hey, is it starting in 40 min? I dont see anybody..

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Was fun today! Thanks for the event, even though we were few it was enjoyable!.

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Thanks for suggesting the event, CM, and to all the participants for taking part. We needed more people, but it was fun nonetheless.


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Yes, I think Buzzsaw's Tiger Moth map needs to go into rotation. This was a good way to test the waters, and I think we could all agree after flying together with the Tiger Moths that the resulting combat was very fun and dynamic. The server map today at the set time coincidentally did not allow blue team to have the moths as they had when we used the beta server between the updates, so we were forced to go for a free for all. That was an unfortunate mistake on my part. I enjoyed flying with you all and hope that this mixup won't dissuade anyone from trying to do something similar in the future.

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Thanks for organising!
    Despite all the unplanned things it was good fun.
    I just need some practice with this strange bird.
    Somehow I think fighting is better with a working engine ...


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Unfortunately RL kept me away from the Tiger moths event. Sorry about that. I would love to see Buzz's map put in the rotation..how fun would that be! Drivable vehicles as well.! We need more variance and this would help. Toss it in and let's see what happens...I say.
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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Sorry I couldn't make this event.

    It sounded fun.

    Like many others here , I have been away from home for the Easter break, and that could account for the numbers being low on Saturday, but Tiger moth combat is something that I would love to have a go at.

    Hopefully I can make it next time

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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ribbs View Post
    Unfortunately RL kept me away from the Tiger moths event. Sorry about that. I would love to see Buzz's map put in the rotation..how fun would that be! Drivable vehicles as well.! We need more variance and this would help. Toss it in and let's see what happens...I say.
    Absolutely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    I provided an all Tiger Moth Server setup to ATAG on the launch of 4.5... but so far they haven't put it up.

    Called it 'Tiger Moth Island'... set on the Volcanic island map and just one hour long... just a fun-type romp.

    Both the blue and red sides have the same planeset... all the Tiger types... plus there are some ground vehicles driveable and targets to bomb.

    HINT: Bug Pantast or Freya and maybe they'll put it into the rotation.

    I think players would find it a blast.
    Would it be possible to put this map on server 2 for testing?

    Maybe we can try this again with more preparation.

    A '50 planes lost' objective style could help determine winners.

    Red and blue skins only to identify enemy.


    Any interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRock View Post
    Would it be possible to put this map on server 2 for testing?

    Maybe we can try this again with more preparation.

    A '50 planes lost' objective style could help determine winners.

    Red and blue skins only to identify enemy.


    Any interest?
    Hi, DRock.

    Yeah, I would be interested. It would be a blast!

    A '50 planes lost' objective would depend on the numbers. Maybe the objective should be to destroy a percentage of the enemy aircraft.

    Couldn't the survivors of each side land back at a designated airfield for a head count and a photo shoot?


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    I provided an all Tiger Moth Server setup to ATAG on the launch of 4.5... but so far they haven't put it up.

    Called it 'Tiger Moth Island'... set on the Volcanic island map and just one hour long... just a fun-type romp.

    Both the blue and red sides have the same planeset... all the Tiger types... plus there are some ground vehicles driveable and targets to bomb.

    HINT: Bug Pantast or Freya and maybe they'll put it into the rotation.

    I think players would find it a blast.
    I've worked on this map, but I can;t get the airfields to be destroyable (its on the volcanic map). No vehicles either as I don't know how to make them playable anymore...

    One possibility is, with Buzz' permission, that I make a simple conversion to the english channel map, have one airfield for each team (as the original) and use the somme as a frontline - say we use poix nord and abbeville or something like that? Basically the same mission but on the common map. Sound good? Lemme know. I think it would be fun for sure!! AND very easy to do, it would take like 15 minutes...

    PS Buzz can you email me that map again (the copy I sent back to you a while ago)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Freya View Post
    I've worked on this map, but I can;t get the airfields to be destroyable (its on the volcanic map). No vehicles either as I don't know how to make them playable anymore...

    One possibility is, with Buzz' permission, that I make a simple conversion to the english channel map, have one airfield for each team (as the original) and use the somme as a frontline - say we use poix nord and abbeville or something like that? Basically the same mission but on the common map. Sound good? Lemme know. I think it would be fun for sure!! AND very easy to do, it would take like 15 minutes...

    PS Buzz can you email me that map again (the copy I sent back to you a while ago)?
    I kinda want to see this Tiger Moth Island. We've flown Poix/Abbey a lot. This would be new.

    Aircraft attrition would be better than airfield destruction, IMO. This would be a massive dogfight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRock View Post
    I kinda want to see this Tiger Moth Island. We've flown Poix/Abbey a lot. This would be new.

    Aircraft attrition would be better than airfield destruction, IMO. This would be a massive dogfight.
    Yeah that's do-able. Don't need the airfield destruction - can do standard targets on the airfield or near. As long as there is something to hit it will draw the forces into conflict. And we gotta bomb stuff with the t-moth new bombs... I will have to do some digging for the a/c attrition part though. Gimme a week.


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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Freya View Post
    I've worked on this map, but I can;t get the airfields to be destroyable (its on the volcanic map). No vehicles either as I don't know how to make them playable anymore...

    One possibility is, with Buzz' permission, that I make a simple conversion to the english channel map, have one airfield for each team (as the original) and use the somme as a frontline - say we use poix nord and abbeville or something like that? Basically the same mission but on the common map. Sound good? Lemme know. I think it would be fun for sure!! AND very easy to do, it would take like 15 minutes...

    PS Buzz can you email me that map again (the copy I sent back to you a while ago)?
    Hello Freya

    I am currently on vacation and unable to access the Tiger Moth Island map files for another week.

    Regarding the vehicles being useable by humans... they should be good now with TF 4.53... when you tried it first, it was 4.51, and they were not enabled.

    I suggest you build it yourself... It is a very simple setup, took me about an hour and a half to build.

    - Opposing Airfields should be very close together... and vehicles should be able to drive and attack the opposing airfield within 15 minutes.

    - Both sides get all three models of the Tiger Moth.

    - Both sides get two airfields... one further back to prevent strafers from camping it easily.

    - Only flak weapons allowed are the light MG German type... used for both sides, only two per field maximum. The reason is 20mm and 40mm weapons are too deadly versus Tiger Moths.

    - Both sides get three vehicle spawns... one at each of their airfields, and one out halfway between the fields close enough so the players can drive a vehicle and attack the opposing airfield.

    - Both sides get the same vehicles, they use German models... the Sdkfw 222 armoured car, and the Sdkfw 251 halftrack. The 222 is good for attacking... has a 20 mm cannon, but not much use in AAA, the 251 has a mannable LMG which can be used for AAA defense vs bombing Tiger Moths... both vehicles should be killable by Tiger Moth bombs, the 251 perhaps by strafing.

    - There should be fuel tanks, parked aircraft, parked vehicles and other targets on the fields which can be attacked.

    - If at all possible there should be some static small ships as targets as well.

    - There should be a maximum time limit of 1 hour for this setup... this to stop people who have fits if they can't fly 109's/Spits from bitching too much about having to fly Tiger Moths. This will probably mean getting a victory is a small possibility, but the setup is mainly intended to be a fun fly anyway.

    - Set it in the early morning so there are nice dawn effects, and also add enough clouds to allow Tiger Moths to dodge in and out of them.

    - Add Startup instructions for Tiger Moth in description:

    = Chocks in

    = Fuel cock open

    = Throttle to 10%

    = Requires two starts... first one always fails

    = Allow to idle for 30 seconds at 10% throttle

    = Move throttle to 100% in one continuous smooth motion

    = Idle should stabilize at 1650 rpm, hold for 30 seconds

    = Throttle to 0%, Chocks out, Taxi for takeoff

    = When taxing, aircraft must be travelling at 20 kmh for rudder to be effective for directional changes... don't taxi too fast... there are no brakes

    = Start takeoff run at 60% throttle, increase to 100% once the aircraft is tracking straight down the runway

    Differences between the Tiger Moth types:

    - Overwing MG 'British' model has 'climb' propellor, climbs better and turns better, three drums of 97 rounds, has higher compression higher hp engine

    - Nose mount MG 'Czech' model, has 'Cruise' Prop, is 10 kmh faster, has more accurate MG, slightly more ammunition at 400 rounds, has higher compression higher hp engine

    - Historical model has standard engine, and is slower

    Good luck!

    Thanks
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    Re: Tiger Moth Event?

    What about on the isle of White?

    And objects spread around the airfields would be way better than tonnage dropped in my opinion. Especially if you had moving vehicles running loops around the airfields. Give us some moving targets!! Haha love it!

    Might be too long of flight.. East church and Southend?
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