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    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Saipan View Post
    bummer...all the other fighters get upgrades. wont be easy.
    Most you 110 jockeys do a bloody great job, probably fairing better than in history. I get 'Destroyer-ed' frequently and have yet to see the famed Me110 'defensive circle' !
    While 5.0 does give the RAF 'upgraded' 20mm hitting power I'm still an easy target and crap shot.
    Advantage = none.

    I can already feel the desert sand in my pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Oskar View Post
    Same as Cliffs.
    is reliability improved on tab seven one ?
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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Looks fantastic.

    Gladiator, Wellington and Spit V for me!

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    I want to see how they model the Quattara Depression.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    This looks absolutely fantastic. Thanks for your continued hard work on this guys - it's hugely appreciated.

    I for one can't wait to jump in the Wellington.
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    What an amazing depth of aircraft and version types - it will take me years to go through them all.

    For me, the first ones will be the Gladiator, the Wellington and the 108.

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    I will be ramming everyone with my fast and lethal 108!

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    Looks great

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    Great news I shared this video to friends. and...here is a question that I haven't seen anyone ask:
    Is the TF5.0 actually an 'update' or will stand alone as a 'DLC' which need to pay for?
    one more:
    If it is a DLC, then would the 'blitz' keep updating?
    Cheers
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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by fenbeiduo View Post
    Great news I shared this video with friends. and...here is a questions that I haven't seen anyone ask:
    Is the TF5.0 actually an 'update' or will stand alone as a 'DLC' which need to pay for?
    one more:
    If it is a DLC, then would the 'blitz' keep updating?
    Cheers

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairog View Post
    I want to see how they model the Quattara Depression.
    Not included in this map.... the depression is further to the East.

    Game is limited currently to approx. 400 X 400 km, and the focus is on the areas which saw combat from late 1940 to June 1942.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by fenbeiduo View Post
    Great news I shared this video with friends. and...here is a questions that I haven't seen anyone ask:
    Is the TF5.0 actually an 'update' or will stand alone as a 'DLC' which need to pay for?
    one more:
    If it is a DLC, then would the 'blitz' keep updating?
    Cheers
    You will have to pay for the new release TF5, but can use the planes that are included in TF5 on the Chanel map too. If you buy it then all of the improvements will also apply to the Chanel map (improved AI, smoke effects, etc.). When you play the game it will update (both Blitz and TF5) with the latest fixes, but you wont get extra free planes in the future, just free fixes and improvements.
    TF5 will include a number of skins so that the new planes can be used on the Channel map.
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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Saipan View Post
    ..you will have to pay..price unknown...date of release...unknown
    Thx for the information. Wish the team would take care of the orignal 'Blitz' aswell C[]

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by major_setback View Post
    You will have to pay for the new release TF5, but can use the planes that are included in TF5 on the Chanel map too. If you buy it then all of the improvements will also apply to the Chanel map (improved AI, smoke effects, etc.). When you play the game it will update with the latest fixes, but you wont get extra free planes in the future, just free fixes and improvements.
    Thx! Now I see Thx again for the new map and planes(absolutely in my shopping list)

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    So, If someone buys TFS5.0 they get the fixes. If they dont they dont?

    That goes against my long held understanding that the TF 5.0 fixes would apply to the channel map regardless.

    Not that im bothered in the slightest given that a) Ive enjoyed lord knows how many free fixes by TFS for a game i paid £6 for and b) its about time TFS saw some renumeration for all their work.

    The only reason i bring it up is that some (a minority of perhaps) people may base a purchase decision on how the Channel map looks/performs post sandClod and that if it wont look any different unless sandClod is installed they may think "whats the point". Perhpas something that needs to be more clearly pointed out.
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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by BOO View Post
    So, If someone buys TFS5.0 they get the fixes. If they dont they dont?
    Everybody will get the fixes. What you're paying for is the new content, as in aircraft, ships, ground objects, the map, ...

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Id strongly suggest some uniformed messaging is in order. We currently have two respected members of TFS saying opposing things in two different forums.

    "If you buy it then all of the improvements will also apply to the Chanel map (improved AI, smoke effects, etc.)"

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by BOO View Post
    Id strongly suggest some uniformed messaging is in order. We currently have two respected members of TFS saying opposing things in two different forums.

    "If you buy it then all of the improvements will also apply to the Chanel map (improved AI, smoke effects, etc.)"

    https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic...comment-966061
    I just looked at that page and through my eyeballs it says eactly what Karaya just said.

    There will be two parts to 5.0; a free update to content already in Blitz, and a paid DLC including new aircraft, the Tobruk map, campaigns, etc.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post
    I just looked at that page and through my eyeballs it says eactly what Karaya just said.

    There will be two parts to 5.0; a free update to content already in Blitz, and a paid DLC including new aircraft, the Tobruk map, campaigns, etc.
    Yes but thats not what Setback's post made out.

    "IF you buy.."

    Just looking at it from an outsiders/newcommers/non forum frequenters perspective. Given that Setbacks name is Purple and saying i didnt know who the Orange Karaya is and given Setback's post is endorsed by a couple of ATAG mainlights and being forgiven for thinking that ATAG have some historic inside track to TFS given most are also beta testers......

    ...can you see how there may be some confusion?
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    Question Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by BOO View Post
    Yes but thats not what Setback's post made out.

    ...can you see how there may be some confusion?
    I see your point BOO,
    And as my understanding here is the case
    1.Customers who own the 'blitz' will have improvment fixes as the same as the new 'tobruk'
    2.Customers who own the 'blitz' will not get any free new planes,map,objects
    3.After pay for the 'tobruk',customers who own the 'blitz' can also play all new contents in the original channel map
    4.If you only pay for the 'tobruk'(no 'blitz'),you just have the contents of those new planes etc.Not any original 'blitz' map or planes?

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by fenbeiduo View Post
    4.If you only pay for the 'tobruk'(no 'blitz'),you just have the contents of those new planes etc.Not any original 'blitz' map or planes?

    c[ ]
    This one is incorrect. You NEED Blitz to be able to use Tobruk. It is a DLC to Blitz and not standalone capable.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    My comments were restricted to what we were discussing.
    If you have Blitz and buy TF5 then what I said applies. I have not said more than that.
    My answer is to someone who already has Blitz.

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    Is the TF5.0 actually an 'update' or will stand alone as a 'DLC' which need to pay for?
    one more:
    If it is a DLC, then would the 'blitz' keep updating?"
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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by JG4_Karaya View Post
    This one is incorrect. You NEED Blitz to be able to use Tobruk. It is a DLC to Blitz and not standalone capable.
    All come clear thx Karaya

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by BOO View Post
    Id strongly suggest some uniformed messaging is in order. We currently have two respected members of TFS saying opposing things in two different forums.

    "If you buy it then all of the improvements will also apply to the Chanel map (improved AI, smoke effects, etc.)"

    https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic...comment-966061
    Sorry if this was figured it out before, just to avoid any confusion:

    The Blitz only clients will get every technical upgrade in the future too, patches, bugfixes, new weather engine, VR, etc. independently that the user purchased Tobruk or not. The game version number will be the same as Blitz+Tobruk game (to maintain compatibility).
    Obviously they will not get the game content, flyable planes, AI units, new map, etc.

    If someone have Blitz only client, He can fly together with Blitz+Tobruk players too, but the server should use BoB content only. This means the Blitz+Tobruk players can use only BoB content on these servers (for example, there is no flyable Wellington, even if some of the AI variant is there. The "flyable cockpit" is a Tobruk content).

    Any of Tobruk content can be use on BoB map too, but in this case the Blitz only players can not join.

    We will continuously support Blitz only client, our goal is to keep the compatibility between the Blitz only and Blitz+Tobruk players, and hoping that more and more of them will decide to purchase the Tobruk later.
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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by VO101_Tom View Post
    Sorry if this was figured it out before, just to avoid any confusion:

    The Blitz only clients will get every technical upgrade in the future too, patches, bugfixes, new weather engine, VR, etc. independently that the user purchased Tobruk or not. The game version number will be the same as Blitz+Tobruk game (to maintain compatibility).
    Obviously they will not get the game content, flyable planes, AI units, new map, etc.

    If someone have Blitz only client, He can fly together with Blitz+Tobruk players too, but the server should use BoB content only. This means the Blitz+Tobruk players can use only BoB content on these servers (for example, there is no flyable Wellington, even if some of the AI variant is there. The "flyable cockpit" is a Tobruk content).

    Any of Tobruk content can be use on BoB map too, but in this case the Blitz only players can not join.

    We will continuously support Blitz only client, our goal is to keep the compatibility between the Blitz only and Blitz+Tobruk players, and hoping that more and more of them will decide to purchase the Tobruk later.
    I understand this decision but I think it would have been better if the Blitz player could still join the server but just is unable to select any of the Tobruk planes. So if player A has Tobruk and B does not, A could fly a Wellington on the channel map with player B escorting him in a Spitfire Mk I from Blitz. I imagine most servers will switch to Tobruk since people want to fly the new planes but then essentially players who don't buy Tobruk won't be able to fly the content that they do own online....

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Flare View Post
    I understand this decision but I think it would have been better if the Blitz player could still join the server but just is unable to select any of the Tobruk planes. So if player A has Tobruk and B does not, A could fly a Wellington on the channel map with player B escorting him in a Spitfire Mk I from Blitz. I imagine most servers will switch to Tobruk since people want to fly the new planes but then essentially players who don't buy Tobruk won't be able to fly the content that they do own online....
    This would definitely have been my dream scenario as well.

    But like you I will take whatever.

    It's simply awesome that we are almost there.


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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Flare View Post
    I understand this decision but I think it would have been better if the Blitz player could still join the server but just is unable to select any of the Tobruk planes. So if player A has Tobruk and B does not, A could fly a Wellington on the channel map with player B escorting him in a Spitfire Mk I from Blitz. I imagine most servers will switch to Tobruk since people want to fly the new planes but then essentially players who don't buy Tobruk won't be able to fly the content that they do own online....
    Clod can not handle the online or offline play differently, I mean this idea would be possible only if the Blitz players would get all AI content, ships, tanks, vehicles, objects, everything for free. In this case the Tobruk expansion would become "only couple of flyable cockpit and a new map" expansion.
    We want to give lot of content for Tobruk players, make it worth to purchase the Tobruk expansion.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by VO101_Tom View Post
    Clod can not handle the online or offline play differently, I mean this idea would be possible only if the Blitz players would get all AI content, ships, tanks, vehicles, objects, everything for free. In this case the Tobruk expansion would become "only couple of flyable cockpit and a new map" expansion.
    We want to give lot of content for Tobruk players, make it worth to purchase the Tobruk expansion.
    Understandable. I was thinking it could be because of the AI content. Honestly I would think it's still worth it even if the people who didn't buy Tobruk could see the new ships and tanks and AI planes in multiplayer only just so we wouldn't have to split off the playerbase who didn't buy it. But if it's a CloD engine limitation that is perfectly understandable.

    I do think the way BoX does it is perfect.

    In multiplayer everyone can use all the maps and see all the AI units but you can only fly the planes you own. In singleplayer you can only use the planes and maps that you own. It means that no matter what you are never blocked from joining a multiplayer server. So it's almost like a free trial of the maps but you probably won't have many of the appropriate planes for the map if at all. For instance if CloD was like this, one could probably only use the G.50 on the desert map since he wouldn't have any of the trop variants. But he could still join any channel map server and fly his planes that he owns.

    Maybe I wouldn't be a good businessman but I just want everyone to be able to join all the servers. Hats off to TFS no matter what though for pushing to get this expansion finally on the way to release. You guys rock.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Flare View Post
    Understandable. I was thinking it could be because of the AI content. Honestly I would think it's still worth it even if the people who didn't buy Tobruk could see the new ships and tanks and AI planes in multiplayer only just so we wouldn't have to split off the playerbase who didn't buy it. But if it's a CloD engine limitation that is perfectly understandable.

    I do think the way BoX does it is perfect.

    In multiplayer everyone can use all the maps and see all the AI units but you can only fly the planes you own. In singleplayer you can only use the planes and maps that you own. It means that no matter what you are never blocked from joining a multiplayer server. So it's almost like a free trial of the maps but you probably won't have many of the appropriate planes for the map if at all. For instance if CloD was like this, one could probably only use the G.50 on the desert map since he wouldn't have any of the trop variants. But he could still join any channel map server and fly his planes that he owns.

    Maybe I wouldn't be a good businessman but I just want everyone to be able to join all the servers. Hats off to TFS no matter what though for pushing to get this expansion finally on the way to release. You guys rock.
    As I said earlier, there is no way in CloD to handle differently the offline and online contents. No way to allow players to fly with Tobruk content online, then forbid the same offline. It's a technical fact, not a business decision.
    I know other games can handle this differently... but.. they are different games

    The playerbase will be split? It depends on the players. If they want to fly together they can, but in this case the Tobruk players need to show solidarity with their squadmates, and use old content only. They will get technical updates (still free), but the Tobruk content can use only by the Tobruk players. Flying against AI opponents, ground or sea units is a huge part what Tobruk DLC can offer, We simply can not make it free for everyone.

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    Re: New Update - All Confirmed Flyable Desert Aircraft!

    Besides, CLOD/Tobruk come from the way the original IL-2 worked. It does not sell individual planes but expansions.

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