DCS: Normandy WW2

[ATAG_Snapper]

It was the the completeness of the flight test data that made the decision.

Ah, right. Thanks for that correction/clarification.

Over the weekend I auto-updated the 1.5.5 to 1.5.6. Maybe it's the placebo effect, but the Spit seems to taxi, take off, and land a bit easier now. Really liking how the Spitfire IX handles. And...cannons.

[Foul Ole Ron]

ED have already stated that the p51 will be getting 72" and the mk ix +25lb boost later down the line.

Not sure about the 72" Mustang but Wags recently said that we won't be getting the +25lb Spit IX: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...&postcount=202

The whole DCS WW2 situation is just a bit disappointing overall. The map doesn't really fit most of the plane set even if it does look great. The plane set isn't really the most historical match up even if we're looking at something like a Bodenplatte scenario. The JGs who fought in Bodenplatte were much more likely to be flying G-14s and A-8s. The DM is currently poor but it's being worked on at least. The net code is still not great. Personally I switched over to BOS for now as while the FMs mightn't be as detailed as DCS it's a much more coherent product overall and they're churning nicely through their development cycles.

[gavagai]

Ah, right. Thanks for that correction/clarification.

Over the weekend I auto-updated the 1.5.5 to 1.5.6. Maybe it's the placebo effect, but the Spit seems to taxi, take off, and land a bit easier now. Really liking how the Spitfire IX handles. And...cannons.

The cannons are excellent. I just wish we could see over the nose a little better. I suspect the Spitfire has the same no-refraction illness as the Fw 190.

[TWC_SLAG]

Don't understand why they decided on a Normandy map...

The 190D9 and 109K4 never flew missions over Normandy during the time the campaign was ongoing.

Something from the Ardennes or Northwest Belgium/Holland/Germany would have been more appropriate to the aircraft set.

Of course, by the time of the Ardennes, the P-51 was running 72 inches MAP, and the Spit IX was running +25 boost... so maybe the current versions wouldn't fit either.

But the map definitely looks nice.

Right about "Ardennes or Northwest Belgium/Holland/Germany". FW-190D's were involved in Operation Bodenplatte Dec 31, 1944, for sure. Only seven months after Normandy. Not sure about the Kurfurst.

[9./JG26_Brigg]

Not sure about the 72" Mustang but Wags recently said that we won't be getting the +25lb Spit IX: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...&postcount=202

The whole DCS WW2 situation is just a bit disappointing overall. The map doesn't really fit most of the plane set even if it does look great. The plane set isn't really the most historical match up even if we're looking at something like a Bodenplatte scenario. The JGs who fought in Bodenplatte were much more likely to be flying G-14s and A-8s. The DM is currently poor but it's being worked on at least. The net code is still not great. Personally I switched over to BOS for now as while the FMs mightn't be as detailed as DCS it's a much more coherent product overall and they're churning nicely through their development cycles.

it is getting updated to 72" when we get the new damage model if I remember correctly.

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Right about "Ardennes or Northwest Belgium/Holland/Germany". FW-190D's were involved in Operation Bodenplatte Dec 31, 1944, for sure. Only seven months after Normandy. Not sure about the Kurfurst.

First K-4's began arriving in mid October, with decent numbers available by mid December.

First D-9's arrived in September, there were never huge numbers of them, but they were present in reasonable quantities by December.

So either of these planes would fit an Ardennes or Bodenplatte scenario.

Most common 109 at the time of Normandy was the G-6.... of various types... plus some G-14's. G-10 actually didn't arrive till after the G-14, at about the same time as the K4.

Most common 190A types during Normandy were the 190A-6 to A-8 versions. Personally I like the A-6 of the later types... didn't have the extra weight and armour of the A-8 but it did have 1.65ata and the outer cannon were MG151/20mm, not MG/FFM's. If you wanted to attack B-17's, then the A-8's were the best bet, but if you wanted to fight Spits, the A-6 was the shitz. I would like to see an A-6 in TFS's future... but it is a long time and a lot of variables away.

[Mastiff]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.p...11#post3053411

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[Silver_Dragon]

[ATAG_Highseas]

Impressive

[Torric270]

Now make that 17 flyable

[rel4y]

Wooow, that B-17G... That is amazing!

[9./JG26_Brigg]

Hell yeah that B17 looks awesome! All most to nice to introduce to Dora and Kurfurst

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Very nice looking B-17.

[Silver_Dragon]

[Hurricane]

Wow !!! very impressive indeed.

Best wishes,
Mike.

[gavagai]

ED moderator negative rep'd a guy (not me) who pointed out that the props do not appear visible in some images. The guy complained, and the mod suspended him and deleted the relevant posts while I was reading the thread.

Yeah, it is a WIP and it's looking great, but that's some super thin skin over there. Be careful if you post something critical of an early release product.

[Catseye]

ED moderator negative rep'd a guy (not me) who pointed out that the props do not appear visible in some images. The guy complained, and the mod suspended him and deleted the relevant posts while I was reading the thread.

Yeah, it is a WIP and it's looking great, but that's some super thin skin over there. Be careful if you post something critical of an early release product.

I think it was for the way he was complaining - not for what he was complaining about. There are tonnes of critiques on the early release products, including many of mine. I've only seen posts removed lately if off-topic or insulting another person. Particularly if insulting a moderator. Do you know if the poster and the moderator were communicating via PM? If the moderator gets insulted there you can kiss your privileges goodbye.

I think you are doing DCS a disservice for implying that they are thin-skinned about critiques because in my experience they are not.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Points here are well taken re critiquing WIP on new projects. One of the third party developers stopped issuing WIP reports altogether due to the demoralizing effects of criticism on the dev team. This was a darn shame to the rest of us who eagerly anticipated updates of progress accomplished.

There's something to be said about how suggestions/critiquing is done. Things can be said that can be received badly even if the poster had no knowledge or intention of being abrasive. It's not for me to judge how things are done elsewhere, but forum moderators can and must be protective of the elements that drive the success of the simulation at hand. It ain't easy at times. One message to take from all this is when commenting on someone's baby: be nice.

[gavagai]

I think you are doing DCS a disservice for implying that they are thin-skinned about critiques because in my experience they are not.

Sorry, I don't think I said anything about ED. This is just one mod who goes a little nuts when he perceives criticism.

If you were reading the thread then you know nothing was said disrespectfully in public. As for PM, that is a black box.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Folks, could we please get off the topic of moderators on another forum?

[Hurricane]

I love the look of DCS, but from what i have read it seems to be "pay ware city".

Get the base game for free and then everything else is DLC.

Not sure if that is a fair assessment or not ?

Best wishes,
Mike.

[ATAG_Snapper]

I love the look of DCS, but from what i have read it seems to be "pay ware city".

Get the base game for free and then everything else is DLC.

Not sure if that is a fair assessment or not ?

Best wishes,
Mike.

Partly fair.

Yes, you get the base game (Caucasus map) free plus two free planes - T51D (unarmed trainer Mustang) and the Su25. After that you indeed have to pay for additional planes and maps.

However, you need only pick and pay for the aircraft you wish to fly 'n fight in, you don't have to buy 'em all in one go; same for the other maps (Vegas and upcoming Normandy). The sweet thing is that ED frequently have sales on where the planes/maps are heavily discounted singly or in package groups. Also, the aircraft come fully armed, so there's no having to make additional purchases to stay "competitive".

I have the Spitfire, P51D, A10C, Huey, F86, and F15. The level of detail in each is astounding -- they are definitely study sims of each IMHO. Plus, all of them are continually being improved & tweaked by auto updates, so I don't mind paying a reasonable sum to keep that going.

I've just dipped my toe into online play on the Burning Skies World War 2 server. Technically it works very well on my rig - no issues. It doesn't have the same scope as Clod online, although the Normandy Map with additional aircraft introduced will enhance this aspect, obviously. Plus, the modern jet virtual fliers would justifiably take me to task, especially with the new Vegas map.

Cliffs of Dover is certainly my first love and passion, but it's been fun checking out "the other turf" and money well spent, I've found.

[Hurricane]

Partly fair.

Yes, you get the base game (Caucasus map) free plus two free planes - T51D (unarmed trainer Mustang) and the Su25. After that you indeed have to pay for additional planes and maps.

However, you need only pick and pay for the aircraft you wish to fly 'n fight in, you don't have to buy 'em all in one go; same for the other maps (Vegas and upcoming Normandy). The sweet thing is that ED frequently have sales on where the planes/maps are heavily discounted singly or in package groups. Also, the aircraft come fully armed, so there's no having to make additional purchases to stay "competitive".

I have the Spitfire, P51D, A10C, Huey, F86, and F15. The level of detail in each is astounding -- they are definitely study sims of each IMHO. Plus, all of them are continually being improved & tweaked by auto updates, so I don't mind paying a reasonable sum to keep that going.

I've just dipped my toe into online play on the Burning Skies World War 2 server. Technically it works very well on my rig - no issues. It doesn't have the same scope as Clod online, although the Normandy Map with additional aircraft introduced will enhance this aspect, obviously. Plus, the modern jet virtual fliers would justifiably take me to task, especially with the new Vegas map.

Cliffs of Dover is certainly my first love and passion, but it's been fun checking out "the other turf" and money well spent, I've found.

Hi Snapper,

so i was slightly unfair then. It was only what i briefly read on their web site. Then looked at their shop and the prices seem very high for single aircraft.

Same situation in rail sim, those prices would get you a route, loco's and rolling stock to run on it.

Cannot fault the detail and graphics in general looking at screenies and vids on YT.

I just don't have that sort of money, to chuck at a game.

Plus i am more than happy with CLOD, if a little less happy with 1946.

I appreciate the extra info Snapper.

Best regards,
Mike.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Roger that. Keep an eye on their sales, which usually get posted here. It's not unusual to see a $49 aircraft sell for less than half that.

In the meantime, you can always download and install DCS World free of charge to see how it works on your system. You may really like the look and feel of it to pursue it further when the sales arrive. By comparison, awhile ago I purchased Microsoft's FSX, then Air to Air Simulations' Wings of Power 3 Spitfire Mk 1/2. Then purchased the Accusim upgrade, plus weather, terrain, clouds, airports etc etc. I was over $200 for a beautiful Spitfire with everything functioning....except....no guns. Great for touring and air shows. You could go online to fly in formation with other online players. I'm sure you get my drift.

[Hurricane]

Roger that. Keep an eye on their sales, which usually get posted here. It's not unusual to see a $49 aircraft sell for less than half that.

In the meantime, you can always download and install DCS World free of charge to see how it works on your system. You may really like the look and feel of it to pursue it further when the sales arrive. By comparison, awhile ago I purchased Microsoft's FSX, then Air to Air Simulations' Wings of Power 3 Spitfire Mk 1/2. Then purchased the Accusim upgrade, plus weather, terrain, clouds, airports etc etc. I was over $200 for a beautiful Spitfire with everything functioning....except....no guns. Great for touring and air shows. You could go online to fly in formation with other online players. I'm sure you get my drift.

Understood thank you Snapper.

Yup true enough in regards just having a look at the base game and free P51, the modern stuff wouldn't interest me.

Anything up to the 1960's would be good though. English Electric Lightning for instance.

Thanks again buddy.

Best wishes,
Mike.

[Vlerkies]

Subscribe to the DCS newsletter Dogbert, pretty much every friday they send it out, sometimes mid week and often with specials or sales notices.

Picked up the Mi8 and Mig-21 end of Feb for under 50$, in essence 2 for the price of one.

[Hurricane]

Thanks Vlerkies, certainly worth a look.

Many thanks buddy.

Best regards,
Mike.

[Silver_Dragon]

Trailer, AI units (land, naval and air) list (CA compatible) and prizes (3 packs) about Normandy on ED Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynam...8413498320341/

More AI Units coming in the future, expected release late April.

[Bounder!]

Announcement via facebook now on ED forums:

The DCS: Normandy 1944 Map and DCS: World War II Assets Pack will be available for download by late April 2017.

More details coming this weekend in the Newsletter!

The DCS: Normandy 1944 Map is centred on the World War II battlefield of Normandy, France and is specifically created to depict the period after the D-Day landings and the establishment of several allied airfields in Normandy to support the beachhead breakout in late June 1944. The map measures 267 x 348 kilometres and includes airfields in both Normandy and southern England. The map includes the famous D-Day landing beaches and the “Atlantic Wall”, rolling bocage fields of Normandy, large cities like Caen and Rouen, ports of Cherbourg and Le Havre, and 30 airfields. The map also includes multiple seasons and more detail and accuracy than any previous DCS World map by utilizing new map technologies.

A vital aspect of creating an authentic World War II battlefield is to populate it with matching artificial intelligence (AI) World War II assets. The DCS: World War II Assets Pack provides numerous World War II air, land and sea assets to populate the Normandy and other DCS World maps with. Eagle Dynamics has spent the last three year creating an entirely new set of combat vehicles to support DCS: World War II, and each unit is created with an exceptional level of detail and accuracy. These assets include:

• Tanks and Mobile Artillery
o M4 Sherman Firefly
o M4A4 Sherman with "Rhino" hedge cutter
o Mk VIII Cromwell
o Jagdpanzer IV
o Sd.Kfz. 162
o Tiger I
o Tiger II
o Panther V
o Panzer IV
o Sturmpanzer IV Brummbär, Sd. Kfz. 166
o Jagdpanther G1

• Cars and Trucks
o Jeep Willys
o Truck CCKW 353
o Bedford MWD
o Kübelwagen 82
o Truck Blitz 36-6700A

• Steam Train and Cars
o DRG Class 86 locomotive
o Tank wagon
o G10 covered wagon
o DR 50 Ton Flat Wagon Type SSys

• Anti-Aircraft Artillery
o Bofors 40 mm gun
o 8.8 cm Flak Gun 18, 36, & 37
o 2 cm Flak 30/38/Flakvierling

• Ships
o LCVP Higgins
o LST Mk2
o USS Samuel Chase

• Infantry
o US soldier
o UK soldier
o German soldier

• Aircraft
o B-17G bomber

The DCS: World War II Assets Pack will continue to grow with DCS: Combined Arms compatibility and free asset additions that includes:

• New tanks
• SdKfz 234/2 "Puma"
• Sd.Kfz. 251
• Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkrad
• Horch staff car
• E-boat Schnellboot type S-130
• Uboat type 7
• German search lights
• Barrage balloons
• Avro Lancaster
• Hawker Typhoon
• C-47
• Ju-88
• Fw 190 A-6 and A-8
• Bf 109 G-6
• A-20 Havoc/Boston
• B-24
• B-25
• B-26

The DCS: Normandy Map and the DCS: World War II Assets Pack will be available as a 20%-off, pre-purchase bundle for $47.99. Upon release in late April 2017, the DCS: Normandy 1944 Map and DCS: World War II Assets Pack bundle will be sold for $59.99, and the stand-alone DCS: Normandy 1944 Map for $44.99 and the stand-alone DCS: World War II Assets pack for $29.99.

Note: Those that took part in the DCS: World War II Kickstarter campaign, and provided a high enough contribution to receive the Normandy map, will receive the assets pack for free.

link to post and thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.p...65#post3072965

[Bounder!]

Not too impressed that they are splitting the ww2 map and ww2 units as separate DLC.