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    Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    I am still struggling trying to play online and can't figure out what this issue is -

    Single player is fine, controls are responsive and there is nothing out of the ordinary. I can fly all day long.

    But when I connect to the ATAG server it's unplayable. Response time for everything goes out the windows; I press a key (i.e. prop pitch) and instead of one click I see it advance or decrease in multiples. For example after barely making it off the ground because even the slightest stick movement sends me careening all over the runway - if I try to decrease pitch on click I see the numbers go from 100% down to 65% or less, one click back up and it jumps to 80 or 90. Same with the brakes, I hit the key once and I see it repeat about 20 times. I don't experience anything like this at all offline, it's smooth as glass.

    As it stands now multiplayer does not appear to be an option until I get this sorted.

    Have tried all I can think of; clean boot, no Anti virus running, no extra programs, etc. I am planning to upgrade my system when I can afford it but for now I am trying to work with what I have. If it helps here are my specs:

    Asus P5k Delux P35R
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    nVidia GTS 450
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    Saitek X52
    Track IR 5

    My internet connection has not given me issues before so am not sure to look at that. Or maybe my system is just as crappy as I suspect (built it in 2008 so it's showing its age)
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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    I have a Saitek X52 running on Windows 64 bit... now heres the question: Did you program your controls through saitek software or directly into the game? The reason i ask is simple: Saitek never made a 64 bit version of their program and its buggy as hell. In the begining, when i was using it, the controls would just go bezerk for no reason. I had to put my input directly into the game, losing the abbilitie of the 3 modes (but you dont really need them), but since i made that i only have to deal with a minor issue with saitek x52: Once i spawn i open my console of the game (you can define keys for that) and make a 360 circle with my joystick. Close the console and the stick behaves properly.

    Its like the dogs doing a 3 turn before they lay down, they do it also. I think it "wakes up" the joystick for its correct parameters (at least on my end). I know, it looks like witchcraft, but hey, it works

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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lolsav View Post
    I have a Saitek X52 running on Windows 64 bit... now heres the question: Did you program your controls through saitek software or directly into the game? The reason i ask is simple: Saitek never made a 64 bit version of their program and its buggy as hell. In the begining, when i was using it, the controls would just go bezerk for no reason. I had to put my input directly into the game, losing the abbilitie of the 3 modes (but you dont really need them), but since i made that i only have to deal with a minor issue with saitek x52: Once i spawn i open my console of the game (you can define keys for that) and make a 360 circle with my joystick. Close the console and the stick behaves properly.

    Its like the dogs doing a 3 turn before they lay down, they do it also. I think it "wakes up" the joystick for its correct parameters (at least on my end). I know, it looks like witchcraft, but hey, it works
    I am using the Saitek software, an older version. Have had a lot of problems with the x52 to be honest, it's taken a while to get it to behave and am no stranger to the bugginess especially going bezerk occasionally. With me I end up with it going off calibration for who knows what reason and I can tell because while flying it's impossible to keep straight. If I exit and look at the control panel sure enough the crosshair is nowhere near the middle anymore. But that is hit and miss, the problems I am seeing online are completely different.

    You may be on to something that is definitely worth trying but I have to wonder, why only in MP and not SP? If things are going to be loopy just because of the programming software does it make sense that it would only be an issue online? I suppose even a little bit of lag might explain the repeating keys and unresponsiveness...

    That being said I am going to try not using a profile and see if it makes a difference.

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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    Quote Originally Posted by Ow-Chi View Post

    That being said I am going to try not using a profile and see if it makes a difference.
    Try what i said about "opening the console" also. It makes a diffrence to me, ie, joystick behaves as it is supposed to.

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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    In My case (no saitek here) I do have to move the throttle up/down all the way for the whole movement to be recognized before I fly.
    If I don't, the behavior is like you describe (but on the throttle only).

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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    First test with no software (other than center TIR) is looking good - no repeating keys yet!

    Thanks for the quick tip, fingers crossed.

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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    Hi gents,

    i have a x52 too, with 3 different setups for 109, Ju87 and Ju88. Also in CoD i have for each type a different ini. In the beginning i had some problems too when i try to play CoD.
    Than i changed my saitekprofiles and the way i save them and now i can switch even in flight between the different setups, doesent matter if i switch the CoD ingame ini`s or the x52 setups.

    here in some steps what i did:

    1. first i set all up all the commandos ingame with "alt" or "Strg" + the key i wish.
    2. than i put this into the x52 profile to the buttons i wish to use.
    3. all other options as Modus 2, Modus 3, Pink + Modus 1, Pinki + Modus 2, etc. that are not used in the setup i set on no funktion, and i mean all that are not used.
    4 i dont save it the normal way, because this cause sometimes problems in the programming-tool when it try to save it. I hit the x and close the programming software and when the program ask me if i whant to save it, than i save it.

    It helps realy when you have a clean programmed setup with all disabled that you dont use.

    With this i have as an example for the Ju88 all commandos on the stick, using Modus 1, Modus 2, Modus 3, Pinki + Modu1 - 3, etc. so i can even use all the rotaries on the x52, even the smal scroll rad on the throttle.

    hope this helps

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Great thread and equally great responses.

    I've re-titled this thread and stickied it for easier future reference. A lot of players use the Saitek X52 system so it stands to reason this my be helpful to others as well.


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    Re: Something is really wrong, unable to fly online. Controls sappy, keys repeating

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lolsav View Post
    Try what i said about "opening the console" also. It makes a diffrence to me, ie, joystick behaves as it is supposed to.
    I tried this, it doesn't seem to recalibrate. So when the X52 decides to go wonky I dont see any option other than exiting everything, unplugging and plugging back in.

    Trying to do this while the game is running sends my entire system into a tailspin so I end up doing a hard reset.
    Although I have to say, not using the software like I was has given immediate results - no more of the repeating keys. So at least until the calibration gets off I am able to actually get off the ground now.

    If anyone has any tips on how to re-calibrate without exiting I would love to know about it - baffles me that the control software has no option do this.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    I have had problems with the cable between the two sticks....not in correctly can make things wonky. I have heard/seen stories where people go in an hard wire because the plugs are cheap. Not sure if that is of any help.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Switch cleaner sprayed into the sockets for the cable between throttle and joystick worked for me. Dirty contacts?

    I also never use saitek software. Always directly map stick option in game. Never goes wrong. Rotary switches give me problems lately. Prob pots need a clean also.


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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    If you get these random off-center resets all the time, it's probably the cable. However, if it only occurs when a profile is active, you should check your command names for long strings. I had a similar problem once with my Falcon profile and thought it was the cable. But then I realized it only happened with that one profile. Turned out the Saitek software doesn't like names with more than (I think) 15 characters and responded by randomly resetting the stick. I set up the profile with short names and it worked again. I shit you not. It happened.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    What version are the drivers and the SST software? It will tell you when you open the Profile Editor software on the main screen. I was having HORRIBLE trouble with my X52 Pro using the latest drivers from the site, so I found an older version of the drivers and reinstalled them, and I have not had any problem. My problem specifically was the "soft stuck" mode where pressing a button once caused the command to repeat multiple times. So, when you click the button for gunsight illumination, it would turn it on and off about 5 times in a single button press, uncommanded. Reverting to older drivers has fixed the problem so far.
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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Marmus View Post
    I have had problems with the cable between the two sticks....not in correctly can make things wonky. I have heard/seen stories where people go in an hard wire because the plugs are cheap. Not sure if that is of any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Mindle View Post
    Switch cleaner sprayed into the sockets for the cable between throttle and joystick worked for me. Dirty contacts?
    I doubt I would be capable of any of this!

    Quote Originally Posted by macnihilist View Post
    If you get these random off-center resets all the time, it's probably the cable. However, if it only occurs when a profile is active, you should check your command names for long strings. I had a similar problem once with my Falcon profile and thought it was the cable. But then I realized it only happened with that one profile. Turned out the Saitek software doesn't like names with more than (I think) 15 characters and responded by randomly resetting the stick. I set up the profile with short names and it worked again. I shit you not. It happened.
    It happens whether or not there is a profile loaded.


    Quote Originally Posted by 3./JG51_Heiden View Post
    What version are the drivers and the SST software? It will tell you when you open the Profile Editor software on the main screen. I was having HORRIBLE trouble with my X52 Pro using the latest drivers from the site, so I found an older version of the drivers and reinstalled them, and I have not had any problem. My problem specifically was the "soft stuck" mode where pressing a button once caused the command to repeat multiple times. So, when you click the button for gunsight illumination, it would turn it on and off about 5 times in a single button press, uncommanded. Reverting to older drivers has fixed the problem so far.
    Yep that sounds a lot like what I was experiencing although it only seems to happen in multiplayer.

    I am using an older one, 6.6.6.9. Spent a lot of time fighting with this stick when I first got it a couple of years ago, has really been a tedious and annoying thing. Have probably tried every version of the software out there. If I had to do it over I would pass Saitek right up; shoddy support, buggy software and as I am now seeing - not very well made hardware. Meh.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Hardware is good taking in account the ratio product/price. But the software is outdated and unprepared for 64 bits.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    My 2 cents regarding the x52.

    You need to do a few complete circles each time you plug it in in order to self-calibrate. It shouldn't reset unless like stated above you have a faulty usb port or the cable. However a often cited fault is that the ps/2 cable (from throttle to stick) wears out and the connector starts falling out of the socket. I'd personally use a bit of bluetack to fasten it in place on both ends.

    Also what caused me trouble to no end was a conflict with teamspeak I wasn't aware of: http://forum.teamspeak.com/showthrea...filer-Conflict

    Since then I've gotten a MS FFB 2 as advised by Lewis and only use the throttle from the x52 (that said I still have to have the stick plugged in otherwise it doesn't recognize the profiles.) Much better experience and will only cost you £20-30...

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Thanks everyone for the tips, I am in much better shape now. Not using the profile has eliminated the repeating keys, and the console trick is helping me get level again when the stick goes loopy!

    There are some upgrades in my future so I need to limp along for a bit but things are much better now than they were!


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    Hi there. I am also experiencing problems with my x-52 pro. I have been using with CoD for a while without any problems. Since last week, the throttle is not working, or better said, is working when it wants, mostly not.

    Laving said that, the exact same joystick, works perfectly with all other simulators (FSX, X-Plane, Il-2 BoS, DCS).

    Any ideas please? Sorry if there is any reply already in the forum and I have missed it.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    try to check you joystick with X52 programme... No with Cliffs of Dover

    if it work well with X52 programme... it will work well with all of simulators... and Cliffs of Dover...

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    I use an X52 on Win-7 (64) and I use the Saitek software and have never had problems.
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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Roblex View Post
    I use an X52 on Win-7 (64) and I use the Saitek software and have never had problems.
    Same here. X52Pro/+Saitek Rudder under Win 7 64 Bit, 46 programmed bottons/switches (MadCatz-Software) I've never had any troubles. Ok, that won't help the OP but I would not say the X52 is a bad stick per se. cheers, henry
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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    I found the solution to the problem, was quite easy. As described by ATAG_Lewis in the newbee's instructions, I disabled the "anthropomorphic control" in the settings, which apparently interferes with the joysticks' response. After that, everything runs smoothly as it should.



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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    In my case Teamspeak cause truble with my X52....Two days could not figure it out :/.....My joystick pressed every key multiple times.
    Then i saw this thread http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.co...hlight=Hotkeys
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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    I have the X52 pro and my problem is the drivers suck!! They mess with my whole system. One thing that bugs me the most, is that I have to unplug my X52 from my computer, or alot of times it won't even boot into windows if I don't. But I do like the stick and throttle set up though and does work fine for me in game. My only small problem with the stick itself, is that it's a bit loose for me, but I'll end up fixing that with maybe a new spring from the hardware store
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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    my saitek stick didn't like being connected to a usb-3.0 port with a charging funtion.With this funtion on I get randomly freezes of my pc and with that function turned off in the bios no problems at all of that kind.So the choice is easily made.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lolsav View Post
    I have a Saitek X52 running on Windows 64 bit... now heres the question: Did you program your controls through saitek software or directly into the game? The reason i ask is simple: Saitek never made a 64 bit version of their program and its buggy as hell. In the begining, when i was using it, the controls would just go bezerk for no reason. I had to put my input directly into the game, losing the abbilitie of the 3 modes (but you dont really need them), but since i made that i only have to deal with a minor issue with saitek x52: Once i spawn i open my console of the game (you can define keys for that) and make a 360 circle with my joystick. Close the console and the stick behaves properly.

    Its like the dogs doing a 3 turn before they lay down, they do it also. I think it "wakes up" the joystick for its correct parameters (at least on my end). I know, it looks like witchcraft, but hey, it works
    So would you recommend using the 32 bit drivers instead of the 64 bit?

    My problem .... NEW computer, NEW install of everything. My X52 Pro worked, as far as I could tell, quite well on my OLD computer. With my new computer (see specs below) I can not even get the drivers to install without freezing up the whole computer and then requiring not just a reboot but a system restore. 1Lokos tried to help me with this link Saitek Problem With Windows 7 64 bit. I followed the instructions right down into the registry and as it indicated, but with the same results as described above. So no flying of any kind at the moment. Any thoughts or such would be appreciated.

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Well Chief, I just use the saitek software without any problem(now).The problems I had was a conflict of the mini-mouse on the x52-throttle with a setting in teamspeak and my second problem was, in my bios there was some sort of smart charging fuction for usb-3 devices.With that function turned on my pc had sometimes a hanging problem With teamspeak my pc stopped reacting, the only I could do was do a hard reset..With teamspeak take a look at the hotkeys tab.
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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    From https://www.facebook.com/SaitekProFlight

    Windows 10 HOTAS beta drivers for X52, X52 Pro, X55, and X65F are now available for download. (Please keep in mind that these are in beta.)
    See instructions and download here: http://bit.ly/win10-saitek
    Direct link to drivers: http://bit.ly/beta-drivers
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    Headset: Shiny Tracking: TrackiR5 with ProClip Joystick: Saitek x52 Pro Pedals: Saitek Combat Rudder

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    Re: Saitek X52 joystick troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lolsav View Post
    Hardware is good taking in account the ratio product/price. But the software is outdated and unprepared for 64 bits.
    This really seems to be the problem - 64 bit operation. I think I know why - after experimenting with my x-55 on my trusty old win xp 32bit machine and microsoft fs9 I find that in that sim's config file the seperate parts of the stick all have seperate IDs - whereas running the same sim on my 64 bit win 8.1 gaming laptop sees the stick modules all given one same ID !!!!!. Now with the x-55 that is 2 input USB connectors and with my optional rudder module that makes 3 (of course a powered USB hub is essential anyway) So any sim trying to read axes and buttons is having one hell of a confusing time.
    Mad cats are just that and un-contactable (prolly un-concerned) and meanwhile with 64 bit win 8.1 I get- - FS9 - OK unless I use the x-55 stick, X-Plane 10 - mostly OK but sometimes iffy and COD - only 70% reliable with slow axis responses and missed or repeated button responses.
    I have tried re-programming in-game buttons and then making a profile for the stick to match (complete with "killing" any unwanted buttons) but it is only a tad better than just setting up the stick in-game.
    Very sad - I used to have a sidewinder with home-made rudder and throttle using the original pots but on extension leads: that was "seen" by the computer as only one thing and it worked for years. Then I had to buy this overly complex un-customer-supported thang! I may have to get a different stick and swallow the price I paid for this but , meanwhile, I will have to wait to use COD in its present form.
    My last attempt was a solo in training with the instructor having an electronic fit while I eventually nursed my Hurri back to an engine off, flapless one wheel landing. Actual Ops would be an impossibility!

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