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    Me 109 trim

    When I adjust the elevator trim I see that the elevators move, and depending on the airspeed are variously miss aligned with the stabiliser.
    I understand that the trim on the Me 109 was achieved with the horizontal stabiliser (a screw jack on the leading edge?) but this doesn't seem to be happening.
    There is a key to "Toggle Horizontal Stabilizier" but it doesn't appear to do anything.
    Is there a control setting I've missed?

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    That command its a legacy from old il2 commands. The 109 only has pitch trim, no aileron or rudder trim. It can fly level under certain throtle/speed/rpm conditions, usually around 400kms

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    The 109 only has elevator trim.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    In the Bf109 cockpit are two large concentric wheels situated on the left sidewall, aft of the throttle. The outboard wheel actuates the flaps and the inboard wheel controls the pitch trim by changing the incidence of the horizontal stabilizer, actually called "elevator trim" in the game controls configuration. If possible don't assign keys, it's better to assign the control of this wheel to an axis slider of a joystick, the pitch trim control is smoother.
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    Re: Me 109 trim

    I think he refer to this.


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    This is legacy from old il-2, in this the trim move the elevator instead trim tabs.
    In CloD the stabilizer incidence is adjusted by trim command, but the elevator move in opposite direction.
    Last edited by 1lokos; Jul-19-2022 at 12:15.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    Exactly, this is how it should work. Is there any loss in performance due to the miss alignment.
    PS. thanks for the tips on game setup.
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    Last edited by Redwulf__26; Nov-30-2014 at 11:28.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    Quote Originally Posted by Redwulf__26 View Post
    Exactly, this is how it should work. Is there any loss in performance due to the miss alignment?
    No, is only a graphical misrepresentation and is not related to how the physics are calculated.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    Thanks, I'll try and stop staring at it now.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    There's also a little numeric indicator next to the wheel, ranging from 0 to 4.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    Question about Me109 trim:
    I noticed that on BoS and DCS when you trim the plane nose down the indicator shows positive numbers (+1 and +2), while in CloD they are negative (-1 and -2)
    Is that due to the different Me version or is it a mistake?

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    The original Bf109E horizontal stabilizer incidence was adjustable from

    +3 degrees (tail up - nose down)

    to

    -8 degrees (tail down - nose up).

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    Last edited by GANIX; Jul-19-2022 at 10:03.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    Thanks, but I'm talking about the indicator close to the wheel inside the cockpit.. Seems that in Clod the numbers are the opposite of DCS and IL2

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    The original indicator (Anzeigeuhr, part no. 109.420200) inside the BF109E cockpit rotates this way:

    Turning the wheel in flight direction forward the Anzeigeuhr indicates nose down == tail up

    Turning wheel against flight direction backward the Anzeigeuhr indicates nose up == tail down

    FLIGHT DIRECTION ==> ==> ==> ==>
    nose down == tail up
    -8 < -7 < -6 < -5 < -4 < -3 < -2 < -1 <<<<<<<< wheel >>> 1 > 2 > 3
    nose up == tail down
    Last edited by GANIX; Aug-04-2022 at 07:30.

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    Re: Me 109 trim

    Quote Originally Posted by E69_Mezzer View Post
    In the Bf109 cockpit are two large concentric wheels situated on the left sidewall, aft of the throttle. The outboard wheel actuates the flaps and the inboard wheel controls the pitch trim by changing the incidence of the horizontal stabilizer, actually called "elevator trim" in the game controls configuration. If possible don't assign keys, it's better to assign the control of this wheel to an axis slider of a joystick, the pitch trim control is smoother.
    If flying an E model you might want to take one of these and wire it up to a free axis on a joystick controller. Bring on the realism! (full disclosure: I make and sell these, but this is not a pitch for sales, but for realism)! Radiator Crank
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    Oh, and I should be clear that this is a radiator crank, not flaps or trim, but, you know, same principal!
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