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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Got my Gladiator today as well. Flies much better than the keys.

    I have much to do to set it up, and get a bit of time in. This whole 'rudder' thing obviously requires some study. Sure is a lot of simulation in this ... sim. The stick is gonna help a lot, apart from just direction, the 'mode' switch allows two complete control setups, combat and navigation, are in the manual as an example.

    As well my PS3 Eye arrived and my IR LEDs should be along in a day or two.

    So much to do, and vaguely understand. Exactly what I was looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PenGun View Post
    the 'mode' switch allows two complete control setups, combat and navigation, are in the manual as an example.
    Have you got the 'mode' switch to work in CloD? Currently mine will perform both actions assigned to the button, regardless of what mode it is set to.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    MODE switch - in the default profile - change only grip top buttons and POV HAT, but not affect base buttons:


    Manual http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Documentation...ser_Manual.pdf

    The functions ahead buttons names - e.g. trigger "BRAKE" in MODE2, is suggestion, for work in that way is need assign this button, in MODE2 for "wheel brakes", if don't want use this for brake, assign for other desired function, or for the same in MODE1 and MODE2 (in default profile POV HAT functions is same in both MODE, only changing if "shift" is pressed) or leave unassigned, as your choice.

    - This "shift" allow that the 2 buttons on top of Gladiator grip execute the same functions of, for example Tn T.1600M 4 buttons, and using MODE2 double, this, allowing assign 8 functions in this 2 buttons. A way to deal with Luftwaffe KG12-B grip small quantity of buttons.

    Is in the same way for "Shift" button, the one under "pinky" finger, they don't change base buttons.

    But this can be changed loading a new button profile - or changing the existent with VKB Config Software - until now is not available documentation in English for this software - adding MODE2 for base buttons the available buttons increase for around 50.

    - For load new profiles, first update the firmware, using WIZZO or VKB Config Software and ZBootloader-C, all available here:

    http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Programms/

    Firmware:

    http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Firmware/Gladiator/

    Different profiles for Gladiator/Gladiator PRO:

    http://ftp.vkb-sim.pro/Profiles/Gladiator/

    In some profiles the "pinky" button is just a "button" (can be "shift" an button simultaneous), in others the HAT is only 4 buttons, etc... as is "normal" in "virpilot's world" everyone want things in different way.

    VKB support forum (English):

    http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewforum.php?f=25
    Last edited by 1lokos; Oct-09-2016 at 14:29.

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    Thanks for keeping us updated 1lokos. The configuration possibilities of this device are very interesting, hopefully there will be some English documentaion, because I'm finding the interface of VKBDevCfg-C.exe totally baffling. The mode and shift business was a bit non-obvious as well. I initially expected the mode and shift to work on all the buttons, and even when I knew 29 buttons was the number, I still couldn't find them.

    Flashed with firmware v1.80.8 my Gladiator Pro shows all 29 buttons in CloD, although the four 'diagonal' buttons (45°, 135°, etc) on the POV hat seem to be momentary switches and will not stick in the settings, so I get effectively 25 buttons.

    This thing feels like a control device for industrial machinery. Flying with it is pure joy. It feels like quality in the same way my MFG Crosswind's impressed instantly me with their quality. My pedals are now 13 months in daily use to fly and as a footrest under my desk, and are operating no differently now than on the day they were installed, always accurate, always returning to centre, sending no signal when at rest, no spiking, just a little bit dustier. The Gladiator Pro today feels similarly accurate and of good quality materials and excellent design. Crisp positive button clicks, smooth control around the centre, push/pull on the y axis and the x axis doesn't even twitch. Of course it is very much too early to say if it has the longevity expected of it.

    Next year before Christmas I would like to install a WW II style throttle with at least as many rotaries, axes etc as the Logitech X-55 throttle, but with the quality of the MFG/VKB kit!


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    Thanks lokos, you prove to be a font of knowledge for many things 'flight sim' across a number of different forums.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonditaria View Post
    The mode and shift business was a bit non-obvious as well. I initially expected the mode and shift to work on all the buttons, and even when I knew 29 buttons was the number, I still couldn't find them.
    The fact that in default profile MODE2 is not applicable to base buttons is due Windows DInput limitation of 32 buttons.

    If the standard profile add MODE2 to base buttons, the joystick number of buttons will be above 32, and most of games don't see this - exceptions DCWS 128, Rof/IL2:Bo' 64 - and will lead uninformed buyers complain that buttons in MODE2 are "DOA".*

    Fortunately for VKB Gladiator this can be changed through new buttons profiles, but the "lucky" European buyers of OEM versions will be limited to have a almost useless MODE button.

    * Of course this buttons above 32 can be used through keymapper like SVMapper, Joy2Key, Xpadder, but for OEM versions this will means post sales support, what OEM distributors don't want do.

    BTW- Nice setup you have, congratulations.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonditaria View Post
    Thanks for keeping us updated 1lokos. The configuration possibilities of this device are very interesting, hopefully there will be some English documentaion, because I'm finding the interface of VKBDevCfg-C.exe totally baffling. The mode and shift business was a bit non-obvious as well. I initially expected the mode and shift to work on all the buttons, and even when I knew 29 buttons was the number, I still couldn't find them.

    Flashed with firmware v1.80.8 my Gladiator Pro shows all 29 buttons in CloD, although the four 'diagonal' buttons (45°, 135°, etc) on the POV hat seem to be momentary switches and will not stick in the settings, so I get effectively 25 buttons.

    This thing feels like a control device for industrial machinery. Flying with it is pure joy. It feels like quality in the same way my MFG Crosswind's impressed instantly me with their quality. My pedals are now 13 months in daily use to fly and as a footrest under my desk, and are operating no differently now than on the day they were installed, always accurate, always returning to centre, sending no signal when at rest, no spiking, just a little bit dustier. The Gladiator Pro today feels similarly accurate and of good quality materials and excellent design. Crisp positive button clicks, smooth control around the centre, push/pull on the y axis and the x axis doesn't even twitch. Of course it is very much too early to say if it has the longevity expected of it.

    Next year before Christmas I would like to install a WW II style throttle with at least as many rotaries, axes etc as the Logitech X-55 throttle, but with the quality of the MFG/VKB kit!

    Sounds really positive Bondi.

    I'm using Slaw pedals... And they are similarly instantly impressive.

    A stick to match that quality is definitely what I'm after next. Waiting for the gunfighter...... Waiting..... Waiting.......

    Warthog throttle will stay in play.....

    Grip will as well..... But that base on the warthog throttle.... It's just screaming out for better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    The fact that in default profile MODE2 is not applicable to base buttons is due Windows DInput limitation of 32 buttons.
    Ah ha right that makes sense.

    If the standard profile add MODE2 to base buttons, the joystick number of buttons will be above 32, and most of games don't see this - exceptions DCWS 128, Rof/IL2:Bo' 64 - and will lead uninformed buyers complain that buttons in MODE2 are "DOA".*

    Fortunately for VKB Gladiator this can be changed through new buttons profiles, but the "lucky" European buyers of OEM versions will be limited to have a almost useless MODE button.

    * Of course this buttons above 32 can be used through keymapper like SVMapper, Joy2Key, Xpadder, but for OEM versions this will means post sales support, what OEM distributors don't want do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post
    Sounds really positive Bondi.

    I'm using Slaw pedals... And they are similarly instantly impressive.

    A stick to match that quality is definitely what I'm after next. Waiting for the gunfighter...... Waiting..... Waiting.......

    Warthog throttle will stay in play.....

    Grip will as well..... But that base on the warthog throttle.... It's just screaming out for better.
    Those Slaw pedals are astonishing things.

    Years ago I kicked to death a set of a CH Pro Pedals which, viewed with 20/20 hindsight, must have been remarkably sophisticated devices, if you look at the lengths folks have to go to nowadays to recreate that simple functionality...

    I nearly clicked to buy a Warthog stick so many times, after sessions with the sloppy inaccurate twisty X-55 joystick, but now I'm glad I waited for VKB to deliver.

    My objection to metal pedals is the cold. Where I live it feels like winter nine months of the year to me anyway, and putting my socked feet on cold metal would not work for me. I prefer my house at a low temperature! The MFG Crosswind's temperature feels the same as the chipboard in this room, and warmer than the wooden furniture. Another thing I chose the Crosswind for is the full foot rest, it just suits me better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonditaria View Post

    My objection to metal pedals is the cold. Where I live it feels like winter nine months of the year to me anyway, and putting my socked feet on cold metal would not work for me. I prefer my house at a low temperature! The MFG Crosswind's temperature feels the same as the chipboard in this room, and warmer than the wooden furniture. Another thing I chose the Crosswind for is the full foot rest, it just suits me better.
    Just been playing in bare feet... and yeah...

    I need to put some socks on !!

    The 109 pedals are full feet by the way.

    slaw.jpg

    stock photo... my ones have attachments for a steering damper... doesn't really need one though...


    Just heard today from Vamps that Slaw isn't doing the BF 109 cam centring pedals now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonditaria View Post
    Thanks for keeping us updated 1lokos. The configuration possibilities of this device are very interesting, hopefully there will be some English documentaion, because I'm finding the interface of VKBDevCfg-C.exe totally baffling. The mode and shift business was a bit non-obvious as well. I initially expected the mode and shift to work on all the buttons, and even when I knew 29 buttons was the number, I still couldn't find them.

    Flashed with firmware v1.80.8 my Gladiator Pro shows all 29 buttons in CloD, although the four 'diagonal' buttons (45°, 135°, etc) on the POV hat seem to be momentary switches and will not stick in the settings, so I get effectively 25 buttons.

    This thing feels like a control device for industrial machinery. Flying with it is pure joy. It feels like quality in the same way my MFG Crosswind's impressed instantly me with their quality. My pedals are now 13 months in daily use to fly and as a footrest under my desk, and are operating no differently now than on the day they were installed, always accurate, always returning to centre, sending no signal when at rest, no spiking, just a little bit dustier. The Gladiator Pro today feels similarly accurate and of good quality materials and excellent design. Crisp positive button clicks, smooth control around the centre, push/pull on the y axis and the x axis doesn't even twitch. Of course it is very much too early to say if it has the longevity expected of it.

    Next year before Christmas I would like to install a WW II style throttle with at least as many rotaries, axes etc as the Logitech X-55 throttle, but with the quality of the MFG/VKB kit!

    No dust around the pots and switches - impressive!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boosterdog View Post
    No dust around the pots and switches - impressive!!
    Boo it's a beauty-shot, don't think of of it as a picture of reality. Dust is removable in post-processing

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Another OEM version (of Gladiator) for European market, RavCore - Polish hardware distributor brand - Javelin.


    Picture from Slaw (Slaw Pedals) "screwdriver" review posted in IL-2 forum(ru).

    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1475149126.jpg
    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1475148692.jpg
    http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads...1475149129.jpg

    Product page: https://www.ravcore.com/produkty/javelin/
    Manual and configuration softare available at end of this page.

    Relatively to AIRROW version, Javelin configuration utility has two options more.

    upload an image

    - Can integrated T-Rudder or a MaRS based 3 axis rudder pedal in their base, though the RJ45 Rudder connector. For now is not know if this option has practical use.

    - Has bootloader mode - what mean possibility to upgrade firmware, but notice that this upgrade need be provide by RavCore, VKB versions is not compatible (different VID/PID), so for now is not know if this option will have practical use, if the brand has interest in offer this - probably not, as will mean costs.

    OEM Javelin version is offered at a lower value, around 67 dollars, what is more consistent with OEM version who lost contacless MaRS sensor in twist rudder, replaced for low cost potentiometer and have restrict firmware options.

    OEM AIRROW have a less option in their config software, no bootloader mode, no option for integrate T-Rudder although maintain the connectors in base, and their price in Europe is practically the same of VKB Gladiator in Amazon.com.

    Around simulations forums are suspicions that OEM versions came with different internals from Gladiator or are counterfeit copies.

    OEM are produced by same factory who made Gladiator for VKB (and Cobra M5 for Defender), based on agreement of share development (explained in other topics there), so the products are identical, with same mechanical, e.g. the gimbal with damper grease - and electronics parts (MaRS), minus:

    - Potentiometer in twist ruder instead contactless MaRS (X,Y axis use MaRS).
    - Restrict firmware options, basically calibration/deadzone, no new buttons profile is possible.
    - Pads under joystick base is in rubber, in Gladiator is silicone.
    - OEM versions QC control is done by factory Chinese personal. For Gladiator done by VKB.

    Notice that RavCore advertisement say "HALL sensor" technology, but the sensors are MaRS, more advanced. Happen that for Chinese MaRS is meaningless, and advertising as "HALL" they are taking advantage of Thrustmaster H.E.A.R.T. HALL "hype".
    If decide purchase is important take in mind, although OEM versions are the same joystick - with above exceptions - they are OEM products, not VKB product.
    Will be pointless go complain about OEM versions in VKB forum.

    Comparing this OEM versions with the market, in similar price range/features the nearest options are Thrustmaster T.1600M and Defender Cobra M5 (low availability) - who use generic electronics in his V3 version - make this OEM versions, price/features/ergonomics and even look, better option... if that famous QC control had no "collateral effects".
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    Quote Originally Posted by lil_head View Post
    Comes with a bottle opener. I'm sold!!
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    Is it possible too get these VKB sticks shipped to Australia?

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    Check on Amazom.com - they send for Australia or with VKB sales@vkb-sim.pro - in this case is send from China.

    AFAIK the production was sold out, the next batch is for end of year or early in the next.

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    Can I have a link shiping to south Europe ? Greece (Hellas)

    Thanks...

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    https://flightsimcontrols.com/ sold me mine, I think they ship inside all europe, you can ask on the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sw1ive View Post
    Can I have a link shiping to south Europe ? Greece (Hellas)

    Thanks...
    Got mine (in Europe) from Amazon.com, shipping, tax etc. was reasonable.

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    I hope there are still plans for some sort of warthog stick adapter .... really want the vkb gimbal but love the functionality of the warthog (especially in dcs)

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Little update on the Gunfighter, following an email to VKB Europe:


    "We plan to produce Gunfighter in Q2 next year. Warthog adaptor for Gunfighter flightstick will be available next year as well.

    Warthog adapter for Gladiator Pro is available and will be in stock in our store soon."



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    Re: WW II style joystick

    VKB Warthog adapter for Gladiator PRO:

    http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/...e/#entry416258

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    https://flightsimcontrols.com/produc...ator+Pro+Mk.+I

    MODERN COMBAT GRIP PRO FOR MAMBA BASE (5-PIN)

    Compatible Bases (5-pin connector only):

    Black Mamba Mk.II and Mk.III
    Fat Black Mamba Mk.II and Mk.III
    Vintage Mamba
    Gladiator Pro Mk.I
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    Does anyone here have any experience using this grip on a Gladiator Pro Mk.I?

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    https://flightsimcontrols.com/produc...ator+Pro+Mk.+I

    MODERN COMBAT GRIP PRO FOR MAMBA BASE (5-PIN)

    Does anyone here have any experience using this grip on a Gladiator Pro Mk.I?
    I don't see any user testimony or review of this combination, but since now include Gladiator "vanilla" can use SCG/MCG grip (with extra adapter) an MCG in Gladiator PRO will be "bolt-and-play". Well, is fact is nee load new firmware.

    An downside is that MCG on Gladiator PRO base result too tall for desktop use, with less than desirable ergonomics.

    For this desktop use SGC is more recommended - since was projected for this use, but SCG grip don't has analog brake lever, instead twist rudder (contact less sensor), but for now this version don't have 5 pins connector version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    I don't see any user testimony or review of this combination, but since now include Gladiator "vanilla" can use SCG/MCG grip (with extra adapter) an MCG in Gladiator PRO will be "bolt-and-play". Well, is fact is nee load new firmware.

    An downside is that MCG on Gladiator PRO base result too tall for desktop use, with less than desirable ergonomics.

    For this desktop use SGC is more recommended - since was projected for this use, but SCG grip don't has analog brake lever, instead twist rudder (contact less sensor), but for now this version don't have 5 pins connector version.
    Thanks, that was enough, I will not buy this thing. Three years ago VKB said they'd only develop it with 5-pin connection if enough people made an indication they would buy one - I did that, but times change. My Gladiator Pro mark 1 is running fine, with no springs on the roll axis. Cheers.

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