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    WW II style joystick

    VKB Gladiator


    http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/...t/#entry227060

    Since the target is a "budget" (80-90$) joystick is not HOTAS, but all in one piece. The HOTAS format double the price.

    8 axis
    1 HAT
    39 buttons - include 5 Encoders*
    MaRS digital sensor in X,Y, rudder (twist) axis.
    Potentiometer on other 5 axis (throttle, mixture, flaps...).

    * Rotaries with encoder allow "trim on wheels" in certain WWII Combat Flight Game.
    Or can be used to set DI, Course Setter, Bombsight, gunsight... in CLoD.

    "Why WWII piston propeller plane style?
    1) The market is already full of joysticks from leading brands, stylized as modern combat aircraft.
    2) Most of virtual pilots to fly it on the pistons propeller planes.
    3) I love piston aircraft of that era, and since the final decision to launch the project to take me, I quickly and without a doubt chose piston design and ergonomics. Here and so took office."


    The grip with 3 buttons and HAT is based on Luftwaffe KG12 grip with some concessions, the pinkie button is located more high/accessible and the B-Knopf button is a HAT switch.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    VKB Gladiator


    http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/...t/#entry227060

    Since the target is a "budget" (80-90$) joystick is not HOTAS, but all in one piece. The HOTAS format double the price.

    8 axis
    1 HAT
    39 buttons - include 5 Encoders*
    MaRS digital sensor in X,Y, rudder (twist) axis.
    Potentiometer on other 5 axis (throttle, mixture, flaps...).

    * Rotaries with encoder allow "trim on wheels" in certain WWII Combat Flight Game.
    Or can be used to set DI, Course Setter, Bombsight, gunsight... in CLoD.

    "Why WWII piston propeller plane style?
    1) The market is already full of joysticks from leading brands, stylized as modern combat aircraft.
    2) Most of virtual pilots to fly it on the pistons propeller planes.
    3) I love piston aircraft of that era, and since the final decision to launch the project to take me, I quickly and without a doubt chose piston design and ergonomics. Here and so took office."


    The grip with 3 buttons and HAT is based on Luftwaffe KG12 grip with some concessions, the pinkie button is located more high/accessible and the B-Knopf button is a HAT switch.

    Sokol1
    Love VKB. This will be purchased for my son when it finally is released.

    Quality products...but because it's basically a hobby / part time business it takes them a while to get stuff out.

    Soko1....have you seen any news on the KG12 Stick for the Mamba?

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    No news for metal KG12 grip for Mamba production:

    "KG12 slowed down. We do not have mega-corporations, limited resources. Priority was given to the development joystick Gladiator. We make a prototype, will be free. Then go back to KG12."
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    AND . . . this just put my X52 purchase on hold for a while

    Looks awesome!

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    This looks awesome. I hope it does have at least 1 pov hat on the top though.

    Also Sokol, do you know if VKB have any plans for a FFB joystick?
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    The market is short of 'long throw' sticks, people have to make their own extensions and that is skilled work. I don't know why Saitek etc haven't figured a decent way to include a stick extension for floor mounting, be it a kit or whatever.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Totally buying this when it comes out!

    By the looks of it, it has more buttons compared to a keyboard!
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Really like the look of this. Far more convenient than the setup I currently have, that's for damn sure.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by hnbdgr View Post
    Also Sokol, do you know if VKB have any plans for a FFB joystick?
    No, that's always asked for them, but Force Feedback involve "million dolar" patents, impracticable for VKB small production.

    G940 is probable the "The Last of the Mohicans" of Force Feedback sticks.

    The market is short of 'long throw' sticks, people have to make their own extensions and that is skilled work.
    VKB offer a stick extension and strong springs for Mamba stick, compatible with Cougar/Warthog grip.

    http://www.vkb-flightsimcontrols.com/zakaz/index_z.php
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Render of model send to prototype, now with removable palm rest.





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    Re: WW II style joystick

    As Osprey says a long stick is a good thing and I would adore a manufacturer one for my stick. Also good would be a center mount for it.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Pictures of pre-production prototype:








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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Nice!!!!

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    No, that's always asked for them, but Force Feedback involve "million dolar" patents, impracticable for VKB small production.
    Great, we can't buy a decent FFB stick because some patent troll. Hopefully the patent expires soon.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Pictures of pre-production prototype:

    Awesome! I'm going to be a customer for sure.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    I could see me buying one!

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    That is literally the perfect flight stick.

    I don't know why Satek doesn't incorporate more wheels dials and slides. They enable perfect control.

    The A-10 and high end ones are really over kill for what is out there for ww2 flight sims, which is nearly all.

    Though, I would appreciate a high end version...

    How many of you have had your favorite flight stick break or die? I had mine break and they don't make them anymore! That figures someone would make the perfect flight stick and it would be a cheap thing that would break after a few months, let alone if it was knocked on the floor or something.

    Wish I could get an all steel construction one, that would be worth $400 to have it made practically indestructible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Walker View Post

    Wish I could get an all steel construction one, that would be worth $400 to have it made practically indestructible.

    Something like this? I have never seen one, but know the name.

    http://flightsimcontrols.com/store/j...ba-for-non-eu/


    The CH products are well made and middle of the price range. I'm very happy with mine.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    This stick looks so awesome, make it heavy with thick, dense and durable plastics.

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    Attention, this drawings is only a study of "virpilov's" (Russian) feedback/wishes about Gladiator project, not confirmed changes in the design!

    Gladiator STANDARD



    Gladiator PRO



    Gladiator EXPERT


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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Pro is a nice compromise, though separate throttle would be much better. The panel in expert is just likely to obscure your vision. Other than that, nice concepts

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    Well, between the "expert" proposal and having it separate, is only one hacksaw away

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    The throttle is WAY too close to the stick. That would be very uncomfortable for me. X52's solution is much better as I can keep the throttle far to the left for my left hand and the stick far to the right for my right hand.
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by 3./JG51_Heiden View Post
    The throttle is WAY too close to the stick. That would be very uncomfortable for me. X52's solution is much better as I can keep the throttle far to the left for my left hand and the stick far to the right for my right hand.
    I agree. Any HOTAS should have separate stick and throttle. This looks like a very nice video game controller... not a flight sim interface at all.
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Fidget View Post
    I agree. Any HOTAS should have separate stick and throttle. This looks like a very nice video game controller... not a flight sim interface at all.
    But the joystick producer approach seems similar to IL-2:BoS dev's approach (these planed - in their own words - a "flight game" and not a flight sim' ), they don't plan a HOTAS - the market already have this, with the "infinite" line of "F-16/A-10" - or Tie Fighter - like ones.

    They plan a joystick for the casual gamer (playing a casual flight game like BoS or WT), that put the joystick in keyboard place, fly some time, remove the joystick - so the compact format is desirable - put the keyboard back and go type in Facebook.

    I bet that we will see packs of this joystick sold together with BoS or WT.
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Why go for an specific era joystick and then go for a gamer-type approach?Doesnt make sense to me, the way I see it, the people like us who would appreciate a WW2 era joystick enjoy the simulator approach and thus would prefer a sort of accurate(as much as possible) design, or at least something that resembles the joystick from that period.

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    I think is due their Russian origin, seems the people there look at flight games more like a cyber sport, not with this "grognard flight simulator" vision like (some) us.

    The guys from there like the Knüppelgriff KG-12/13 design - the "grandchildren" of this grip was used in some Eastern block planes until 60's - but you see they asking for "dual triggers", HATS, twist rudder, more buttons, better ergonomics... things that don't fit in the original design.

    One thing that the flight(game) sim market lacks is a standalone throttle that meet the needs of WWII planes (levers for pitch, mixture, super chargers, 3 trim wheels...).

    F-16/F-18 throttles is good for... F-16/F-18.
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by 3./JG51_Heiden View Post
    The throttle is WAY too close to the stick. That would be very uncomfortable for me. X52's solution is much better as I can keep the throttle far to the left for my left hand and the stick far to the right for my right hand.
    Oddly enough, I never get used to hotas systems...the first solution will be perfect for me...
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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Are some of you confused about what HOTAS means? It's "hands on throttle and stick" you could have a 1 button twist joystick with a throttle and as long as you can bind every key you need to it, it's a HOTAS. Now I don't see the point of making different versions of the stick just make it so you can separate the throttle from the stick, each portion would need its own USB cable though. This would be cool for people that want to keep it compact or split it for use in a cockpit setup...

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    Re: WW II style joystick

    Quote Originally Posted by Emton View Post
    Are some of you confused about what HOTAS means?
    For most people HOTAS = F-16 controls.

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