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    109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!















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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    Indeed a nice bit of machinery Thanks.

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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    I'm subscribed to him so I'll watch him like a hawk. I'm very excited to see what 109 this is going into.
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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    Love the beauty of beautifully cast and machined metal. Not to get weird, but, to me, it's like a work of art, meeting it intended purpose both functionally and artistically....A tribute to the abilities of man. After that I need to sit down.

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    Gawd its like being back at work. Thats pretty much what I do. However with big diesels, not aero engines.
    The quality of engineering for a mass produced engine in that DB is astounding. The original parts polishing alone must have taken many many man hours.

    For lightness and fatigue strength, substitute a large mass of metal for a smaller, less adequate one with a fine quality of finish.

    The poster who sees art in good engineering is a man after my own heart.

    I like to call it kinetic art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkicker View Post
    Gawd its like being back at work. Thats pretty much what I do. However with big diesels, not aero engines.
    The quality of engineering for a mass produced engine in that DB is astounding. The original parts polishing alone must have taken many many man hours.

    For lightness and fatigue strength, substitute a large mass of metal for a smaller, less adequate one with a fine quality of finish.

    The poster who sees art in good engineering is a man after my own heart.

    I like to call it kinetic art.
    Roller bearings. That's the first time that I've seen roller bearings in rods


    1940 - 3152.pdf
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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    I have absolutely no idea what those roller looking things were, however roller bearings are common in big end eyes, esp in motorcycles.

    All two strokes have roller cranks as does some early big four stroke kawasakis, such as the the Z900 and early Z1000.

    Never with split rods though. Advantage is better durability in marginal lubrication conditions and no need to run high oil pressures. A typical oil pressure for a four stroke with roller crank would be 8psi, rather than 30psi and above for a split shell crank when under load, dependant on bearing area and power density.

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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    You'll have to forgive me Tinkicker My head is stuck in North American V8s from the 60s and 70s. lol. They must be all individual rollers I guess then? I'd sure like to watch him put the whole thing together.
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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    Quote Originally Posted by IIJG27Rich View Post
    You'll have to forgive me Tinkicker My head is stuck in North American V8s from the 60s and 70s. lol. They must be all individual rollers I guess then? I'd sure like to watch him put the whole thing together.
    I have the idea that they may be thrust buttons to prevent the primary rod fork and the secondary rod blade having metal to metal contact, however this is just a guess.

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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    Easier if I just put a jpeg up




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    all Harley Davidson rods and lower ends are roller, well, the early models at least.

    I went to school for early Harleys and I must say, between Harley and the other guy Davidson. One was a plumber and one was an aircraft mechanic. Not really, but when you look at the design, it is quite clear. The engines are a quarter of a radial aircraft engine put together with all plumbers compression fittings.

    Matter of fact, the rods on a big bike look just like the picture linked above. Both rods up, both rods down, never very balanced, thats why a Harley has a off beat timing and jumps around so much.


    As far as diesels go, I play with them when mating on the fishing boats here in Florida. Mainly the 671 "Jimmy's". Nothing more classic American hod rod'ish then a two stroke, fuel injected, SUPERCHARGED, diesel engine.

    My captains boat is duel Detroit 671's, turbo charged, to an inner cooler, then compressed through the famous Detroit supercharger. Bad Ass, no other way to put it, its just frigin bad ass.

    These old aircraft engines is where all the "Hot Rodding" started. So anyone that likes performance engines of any type, pay your respects, because these old warbirds is where all the porting and polishing, balancing and blueprinting started.

    Very hot rod stuff!

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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    I just found this. From a Daimler Benz 601

    0246DBconrod.jpg
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    The point was made in one of the documentaries on the Battle of Britain and the 109 and spitfire that the level of engineering in the Daimler Benz compared to the Merlin meant that the Germans really struggled to produce them fast enough to keep up with their losses.

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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!



    Bran new one
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    Absolutely beautiful. At the risk of disturbing those on smartphones, such art does not deserve to hide behind a thumbnail.
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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    [IMG]066 by the big dog2, on Flickr[/IMG]

    This is more my thing........ built up fully and its about the size of a small car. The bod in the pic is my apprentice yoof and a damn good lad. Note the quality difference between DB aero and ground lugging diesels. One is built for lightness and power, the other for 30,000+ on load hours between overhauls. Or in road terms 1 million+ miles.
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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    I did have it up as a pic but I think it was too large because it got taken down in a few minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkicker View Post
    [IMG]066 by the big dog2, on Flickr[/IMG]

    This is more my thing........ built up fully and its about the size of a small car.
    What the heck is it for? Is it for a Volvo Semi truck? Three valves a cylinder? Six cylinder. Volvo trucks are all over the place in Canada. I have a 69 Dart and am putting a 340 in it.

    photo 2.JPG
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    Re: 109 Daimler Benz Lovers ..I Found GOLD!!

    That one is out of a Volvo B12 coach. 4 valves a pot, the central rocker is for the injector, much like Cummins QSL11s and NTE14s. Just wish I had a pic of the Jenbachers, they are huge.....proper big diesels.

    Any way, apologies for thread drift.
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    I work for a blasting company and everyone loves the Dodge trucks with the Commins diesels over the GMCs and Fords..The boss got her off of a B-17. She was holding a cake so he just turned her hands around and it worked out perfectly. T&A is Tao & Anne btw. Ok back to aeroplanes lol

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