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    Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Salute All

    As we have mentioned in our updates, we are working on making the Wellington flyable.

    As part of this, of course we need to create a bombardier's station.

    The early Wellington IA/IC had both the CSBS bomb sight, (as seen already in CoD in the Blenheim) as well as the later Mk XIV/Sperry T-1 bomb sight.

    While we have a good deal of information and drawings on the Mk XIV bomb sight itself, the question as to where the various elements were placed in the bombardier's station is proving a bit more difficult to determine. The Brookings Museum Wellington has the CSBS bombsight, and we do have decent photos etc. of this type of sight and where and how it was placed.



    But no photos of a Wellington with the Mk XIV sight, only shots from other aircraft with the sight mounted.



    Anyone who has detailed information, diagrams, drawings or photos of a Wellington with a Mk XIV bombsight mounted, as well as where the computer was mounted, where bomb switches, etc. were mounted on the aircraft, we would appreciate they contact us. The material should be referenced as to source and large in format as possible. Any manuals for the use of the Mk XIV/Sperry T-1 would also be appreciated. (we do already have some material from US sources, but any RAF guides would be helpful) We do not need Pilot Notes for the aircraft.

    Thanks in advance from TF.
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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    I've got a sight that looks like that in the warehouse I'll scratch around and see what I can come up with and photograph for you. Having a fly first
    ofcourse Sir atticus the cat can't be left out ,don't know if this is the same but all that was on tag was british bomber 1940's
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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Buzzsaw,

    Just consulted some of my references. ' A Forgotten Offensive' by Christina Goulter has some passing discussion on bombsights including the Mk XIV but no technical details. She does reference 2 sources though

    Webster and Frankland 'the Strategic Air Offensive against Germany' vol IV Annex IV 'Bombs and Bombsights' p 37-38

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    Air Historical Branch 'Armament, Vol 1 pp 287-9.

    I don't have either so don't know how useful they may/ may not be. Might be worth a squiz if you haven't checked them out already and if you can find them.

    The Forgotten Offensive has an interesting discussion on adapting bomb sights for maritime use but I digress....

    Good luck

    Ps I also have 1 image of the Stirling Bombsight in Stirling in Combat but I think it's the CSBS and not what you are after.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Ezzie View Post
    Buzzsaw,

    Just consulted some of my references. ' A Forgotten Offensive' by Christina Goulter has some passing discussion on bombsights including the Mk XIV but no technical details. She does reference 2 sources though

    Webster and Frankland 'the Strategic Air Offensive against Germany' vol IV Annex IV 'Bombs and Bombsights' p 37-38
    Thanks for that... need more sources for the Night bombing campaign anyway, so ordered it.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    World War II Wings Line by +4 Publications, Vickers-Armstrongs Wellington has some crude equipment placement diagrams for various marks. Around page 50-ish, there are references to automatic bombsight equipment.

    I'm talking about this one:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Publication-.../dp/B0011OV6G6

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Quote Originally Posted by buster_dee View Post
    World War II Wings Line by +4 Publications, Vickers-Armstrongs Wellington has some crude equipment placement diagrams for various marks. Around page 50-ish, there are references to automatic bombsight equipment.

    I'm talking about this one:
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Publication-.../dp/B0011OV6G6
    Yes we have those diagrams. Was looking for something more detailed. Thanks anyway.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Hi Buzzsaw,

    Do you know this forum?

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/forum...toric-Aviation

    A lot of knowledgeable people there. Might be worth asking.

    RedToo.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Posted the request there and at 12 o'clock high, cheers, MP
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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Any change of 'bombsight man" correct the "wind arrow" in Blenheim CSBS bombsight?

    Actually the wind arrow only repeat the magnetic heading "+" needle, should be adjustable independently and thus helpful for correct the wind drift.

    http://s17.postimg.org/cukg8044v/Wind_arrow.jpg

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Yes, I am a member there.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedToo View Post
    Hi Buzzsaw,

    Do you know this forum?

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/forum...toric-Aviation

    A lot of knowledgeable people there. Might be worth asking.

    RedToo.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Buzzsaw

    im guessing you / TF have already been down this path but you didn't specifically mention it so I will just in case. Have you visited the uk national archives online re this?

    I'm currently having a look and there's a couple of files that might be useful re the Welly and bomb sights. They aren't digitised though so some one would have to go visit to check the file in person. But they might have one useful info.

    Again sorry if you have already done this.

    ezzie

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Ezzie View Post
    Buzzsaw

    im guessing you / TF have already been down this path but you didn't specifically mention it so I will just in case. Have you visited the uk national archives online re this?

    I'm currently having a look and there's a couple of files that might be useful re the Welly and bomb sights. They aren't digitised though so some one would have to go visit to check the file in person. But they might have one useful info.

    Again sorry if you have already done this.

    ezzie
    Yes, we have... (not myself, another member of the team) but not specifically for this purpose.

    Also they had limited time, so anyone who is closer, and who has more time to search, we'd be happy to see what they could turn up.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Wow, there really is a shortage of info. I spent the last 3 days looking, just to try and pitch in. I even bought the Haynes manual (not helpful, and some unrelated inaccuracies were disappointing).

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    We have now located some material which provides a good orientation.

    Appreciate the effort from the community.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    We have now located some material which provides a good orientation.

    Appreciate the effort from the community.
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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Super.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    If one are curious about the "thing":

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...75#post2229575

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Film instruction for use Mk.XIV bombsight.

    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F02489/

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Thanks 1lokos... we have the information.

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    A.P. 1730A 1944 describe bomb sight CSBS Mk.XIV operation.

    https://www.blunham.com/Radar/Signal...mbSightXIV.pdf

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    Re: Request for Information on Wellington IA/IC with Mk XIV bomb sight

    Will be interesting if this instrument - Bombing Steering Indicator, on Wellington instrument panel work:

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