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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    Just to add to this:
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    Is like throwing a stone from a moving car. If the car is moving at 100mph, no matter how fast you throw it out the side window, it will always fly with the sideways 100mph added to it.
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    This is a clearer explanation.

    Edited my post to add word.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    Just to add to this:
    If your plane is flying moving to one side, your bullets will exit moving to the same side.
    Is like throwing a stone from a moving car. If the car is moving at 100mph, no matter how fast you throw it out the side window, it will always fly with the sideways 100mph added to it.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    no lazzooor beeemmms , how disappoint
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Here you go. "a mod that allows aileron trim" As a bonus it also works in German and Italian planes.
    Started off as a joke but it works pretty well.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    But CH stick has this mechanical trim on X,Y axis - which displaces potentiometer center position and result in "cheat" trim.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Mechanical trim too sensitive for the very small input needed on the Hurri

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    May I recommend using the joystick. It's a top secret pilot trick... So... Hush hush eh?

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    For ones searching for "cheat" trim in any plane:

    "Universal trim" code:

    Code:
    //Trims [ HAT 1 and HAT 2]
    //Works on every simulator
    
    //X
     
    MapKey(&Joystick, H1L, REXEC(0, 100, "TrimDXAxis(DX_X_AXIS, -5);"));
    MapKey(&Joystick, H1R, REXEC(0, 100, "TrimDXAxis(DX_X_AXIS, 5);"));
        
    //Y
    
    MapKey(&Joystick, H1U, REXEC(1, 100, "TrimDXAxis(DX_Y_AXIS, -5);"));
    MapKey(&Joystick, H1D, REXEC(1, 100, "TrimDXAxis(DX_Y_AXIS, 5);"));
    
    //Z (Rudder)
    
    MapKey(&Joystick, H2L, REXEC(0, 100, "TrimDXAxis(DX_ZROT_AXIS, -5);"));
    MapKey(&Joystick, H2R, REXEC(0, 100, "TrimDXAxis(DX_ZROT_AXIS, 5);"));
        
    
    MapKeyIO(&Joystick, S1,
    EXEC("TrimDXAxis(DX_X_AXIS, CURRENT);TrimDXAxis(DX_Y_AXIS, CURRENT); TrimDXAxis(DX_ZROT_AXIS, CURRENT);"),// Locks X- Y- Z to current position 
    EXEC("TrimDXAxis(DX_X_AXIS, SET(0));TrimDXAxis(DX_Y_AXIS
    , SET(0));TrimDXAxis(DX_ZROT_AXIS, SET(0));"));  // Cancel All trims ( X- Y - Z )
    Inconvenient: Requires a Thrustmaster Warthog or T.16000M.

    I just want the correct trim that belongs to the plane. (CloD) G-50 I a looking at your fake trims.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Hi guys I have read through this because I have the same issue. Hands off the plane (Spit and Hurri) rolls strongly to the right.

    This has been programed in clearly in the interests of 'realism'.

    Yes the planes did not have trim tabs but that is not the point. The answer in reality was quite crude and involved a hammer.

    After flight testing the pilot would get the trailing edge of the aileron literally hammered slightly up or down depending on what was needed. Each plane was different because of the hand built nature of the units.

    Naturally the plane would roll against the airscrew but the aileron was adjusted on the ground to counter it and provide straight hands off level flight in the cruise. This was done during the first flight test and there is no way any plane would be allowed to go into combat without the ailerons being balanced. The last thing a fighter pilots needs is to have to provide constant heavy pressure to one side of the control column the whole flight let alone in battle.

    What we should have is a plane that flies reasonably level in normal flight but has increased torque effects as rpm rises. What we actually have would never have occurred in a battle ready plane.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by GingerWhinger View Post

    Naturally the plane would roll against the airscrew but the aileron was adjusted on the ground to counter it and provide straight hands off level flight in the cruise. This was done during the first flight test and there is no way any plane would be allowed to go into combat without the ailerons being balanced. The last thing a fighter pilots needs is to have to provide constant heavy pressure to one side of the control column the whole flight let alone in battle.

    What we should have is a plane that flies reasonably level in normal flight but has increased torque effects as rpm rises.

    It is actually doing what you say it should.
    If you take off, it rolls to the left. If you fly faster than cruise speed, it rolls right.

    The issue is, you're not flying at cruise speed and also not at normal flight.
    100% throttle and high speed level flight is not cruising.

    Fly at climbing speeds, and you will see that this is also the combat speed, where you are able to turn and roll the best withoug having you to counter any rolling! (If you didn't mess up the rudder)

    Depending on your rpm and throttle, the hands free speed rises, the higher it is. (It rolls to left when you're slower then the optimum speed for current throttle/rpm, means the torque is stronger and the plane is rolling more left)


    Solution for you is, climb more or fly slower until you do not roll anymore. This is the best climb, climbing takes long and its necessary to be higher then the enemy anyway, and you're able to turn the best with these elevator trim setting.
    So actually this is the best setting to fight and climb.
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    No sorry I can't agree. Clearly if this was the case we wouldn't have a whole topic on it here and many other forums.
    The plane violently rolls to the right at any speed which is totally unrealistic.
    Even if you fly the accu sim Spit in FSX you won't get this. And no pilot flying the real Spits will ever say this is what happens.
    Whether you believe it or not doesn't bother me. I am just stating historical fact that the ailerons were shaped post manufacture in the flight test before delivery to the squadron to counter the torque and you didn't get what you encounter with this model. Individual pilots would then alter them to suit their particular flying style and preference. You would never have to fly with a constant hard pressure to the left in normal flight.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    People begging for "Frankenstein" trims should see this video explanation about the "propeller gyro precession":

    http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.co...029#post251029

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by GingerWhinger View Post
    The plane violently rolls to the right at any speed which is totally unrealistic.
    We are always looking to improve everything and do read all the comments and suggestions and welcome them, but I feel like the above statement is a little dramatic.

    If your plane is truly rolling to the right in a violent manner, than we need to dig into more issues on your end on why this is happening. If so, can you post a video of this happening so we can take a look?

    Thanks
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    I am far from being a great pilot, but I have to say the only time my Spitfire rolls "violently to the right" Is after a 109 has graciously removed my starboard wing with the aid of its canon.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by GingerWhinger View Post
    Clearly if this was the case we wouldn't have a whole topic on it here and many other forums.
    True! No humans have ever been been on the moon either. There are many threads in many forums to prove it

    This thread is more about asking the possibility to adjust the trim before spawning to one's preferred speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by GingerWhinger View Post
    The plane violently rolls to the right at any speed
    As stated above, we would like to see a video of this. If the word "violently" applies to what you are experiencing, then it seems like there must be something else going on as the rest of us get just a "gentle" roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibsun View Post
    It is actually doing what you say it should.
    If you take off, it rolls to the left. If you fly faster than cruise speed, it rolls right.
    I understand about propeller torque and the pull to the left.

    But i didn't know about the tendency to pull right , at anything higher than cruising speed.

    Thanks for that Tibsun, some more excellent info to remember.

    Best regards,
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane View Post
    I understand about propeller torque and the pull to the left.

    But i didn't know about the tendency to pull right , at anything higher than cruising speed.

    Thanks for that Tibsun, some more excellent info to remember.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by Baffin View Post
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    I am a new guy here and so far I am having the same problem with the planes rolling right.... Makes it not any fun at all to try to fly level... I mean if it was just a slight bit of roll I can understand. but I can take my hand off the stick and with in 5 seconds it will be upside down and heading for the ground....
    I really want to fly this sim but it is frustrating.... spit is worse than the 109.... just curious if anyone has found out why this is happening.. I can fly DCS BOS and ROF without any issues... seems it is just COD... I like COD best but not getting much enjoyment out of it so far...

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    All aircraft have to be trimmed to stay in level flight.

    You need to set trim buttons, and you need to trim the aircraft using the ball centering on the 109, or the sideslip needle on the Spit/Hurri.

    There is no Aileron trim on any of the fighters, you can only adjust Rudder trim... which means that only at certain speeds and rpms, will the aircraft be in trim.

    This is the way they were historically, there were no prop driven aircraft which flew in perfect trim without adjustment.

    Quote Originally Posted by w0odi View Post
    I am a new guy here and so far I am having the same problem with the planes rolling right.... Makes it not any fun at all to try to fly level... I mean if it was just a slight bit of roll I can understand. but I can take my hand off the stick and with in 5 seconds it will be upside down and heading for the ground....
    I really want to fly this sim but it is frustrating.... spit is worse than the 109.... just curious if anyone has found out why this is happening.. I can fly DCS BOS and ROF without any issues... seems it is just COD... I like COD best but not getting much enjoyment out of it so far...

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Not trying to be a smart arse.

    But surely asking for aileron trim in a spitfire is like asking for your classic car to be converted from a manual gear box to an automatic. Just so you don't have to commit so much input while driving. Or in this case flying.

    You may as well ask for a chauffeur.

    And you can get that effect by watching u tube videos.

    It really doesn't make any sense to me.

    Anyway.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post
    Not trying to be a smart arse.

    But surely asking for aileron trim in a spitfire is like asking for your classic car to be converted from a manual gear box to an automatic. Just so you don't have to commit so much input while driving. Or in this case flying.

    You may as well ask for a chauffeur.

    And you can get that effect by watching u tube videos.

    It really doesn't make any sense to me.

    Anyway.

    Can anyone write a mod that gives me a Butler? Oh and a pretty French maid. ?
    Squadrons based in France during the Phoney War in 1940 often stayed in French Chateaus where there were lots of French maids.

    And I believe several titled English lords donated the use of their estates, including butlers for some RAF Squadrons during the BoB...

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Hrmph ... maybe I will have to change to the blue side after all.
    Or that's just one more reason for a Battle of France scenario!

    http://www.tipsytotes.com/assets/ima...%20%20Maid.jpg

    Oh please, please, please ...


    Aileron trim? Who need ailerons???
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Derda lets do it, I just fall in love with that geerrl.
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    You need to set trim buttons, and you need to trim the aircraft using the ball centering on the 109, or the sideslip needle on the Spit/Hurri.

    There is no Aileron trim on any of the fighters, you can only adjust Rudder trim... which means that only at certain speeds and rpms, will the aircraft be in trim.
    Before someone misread and start complain that Bf 109 "rudder trim" don't work.

    ... you can only adjust Rudder trim... in Spitfire, Hurricane, G.50 (but should not be able to do in this plane) not in Bf 109, their rudder trim is fixed for cruise speed.
    Last edited by 1lokos; Apr-08-2017 at 10:59.

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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Trim being applied by the Erks.

    ...He added: "John has got the engineers to make a few adjustments to trim NH341's ailerons which will improve her stability in flight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-39529403

    I don't know much about these things but suspect this would be to adjust the trim for stable flight at a particular preferred (probably cruise) speed?

    Septic.

    P.S. I (and I suspect many) find it possible to stooge around in a Spit or Hurri using just rudder and elevator trims. In fact I can trim straight and level for long enough to allow a frantic-quick smoke, find the figgy duffs and mash a cuppa in an emergency!
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    Re: Please please create a mod that allows aileron trim in Spits and Hurricanes

    Here is how trim a spit aileron, start watching at about 40:40 and watch for a couple minutes:




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