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    'The Battle Of Britain' 1969 Film Newspaper Cuttings...

    A couple of newspaper cuttings from 1969 of 'The Battle Of Britain' film....My dad must have cut these for me when I was 4 years old...





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    Nice find Lewis! Thanks for sharing them!
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    I wonder when i watch that film what the eastenders made of a HE111 (albeit with RR engines) flying over there homes for the film....

    Royton ATC apparently gave up its Spitfire and Hurricane (presumably on orders) for the film in return for a Meteor NF14 and A Vampire T something or other. I never found out if they were the real deal or fibreglass but I think they both went to museums afterwards.

    Completely off topic but my ex father in law was offered a 109 that had ended up stored behind his work shed in the mid 50s. It was "given" to his first boss for scrap after it had been dragged around the NW to raise war bonds then stored in his yard but never collected. Apparently it in shabby condition but was mostly all there albeit in pieces. It had no engine or prop. No idea of the mark but it had a yellow nose (but, as my FIL pointed out "they all had yellow noses...and bullet holes" - i doubt either were genuine but added to increase takings) The going rate was a few quid less than the scrap value (not much) and an undertaking to" get rid of the damn thing" - He turned it down but instead earned himself a few bob loading the bits onto a flatbed wagon. It ended up in landfill under the roundabout at the end of the A627M near Oldham's Football ground.

    I never liked him TBH.

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    A627M near Oldham's Football ground.
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    Re: 'The Battle Of Britain' 1969 Film Newspaper Cuttings...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boosterdog View Post
    I wonder when i watch that film what the eastenders made of a HE111 (albeit with RR engines) flying over there homes for the film....

    Royton ATC apparently gave up its Spitfire and Hurricane (presumably on orders) for the film in return for a Meteor NF14 and A Vampire T something or other. I never found out if they were the real deal or fibreglass but I think they both went to museums afterwards.

    Completely off topic but my ex father in law was offered a 109 that had ended up stored behind his work shed in the mid 50s. It was "given" to his first boss for scrap after it had been dragged around the NW to raise war bonds then stored in his yard but never collected. Apparently it in shabby condition but was mostly all there albeit in pieces. It had no engine or prop. No idea of the mark but it had a yellow nose (but, as my FIL pointed out "they all had yellow noses...and bullet holes" - i doubt either were genuine but added to increase takings) The going rate was a few quid less than the scrap value (not much) and an undertaking to" get rid of the damn thing" - He turned it down but instead earned himself a few bob loading the bits onto a flatbed wagon. It ended up in landfill under the roundabout at the end of the A627M near Oldham's Football ground.

    I never liked him TBH.

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    Hi Boo. I read your post and found it quite fascinating.....so I asked if anyone knew anymore about this 109.....here's the reply

    "Hi,
    I have pursued some leads via Local Radio, and local history groups, there certainly was 109 displayed in Oldham during the War and it seems that a German aircraft ( probably a 109) did in fact end up in a scrapyard in Shaw -
    near Oldham - at the end of the War. A listener to local radio phoned in to recall a friend of his stealing an instrument of some sort from the aircraft while it rotted in the scrapyard sometime in 1945/46. No other information, however is forthcoming.
    The landfill noted in the original topic was very extensive and ran for almost a mile from Rochdale Road following a deep valley, with a stream at its bottom, behind the football stadium right down to the site of the roundabout mentioned on Broadway .
    The land fill took place in the early 1960's and is now the site of many houses, playing fields and a major roads junction. If indeed the remnants of the 109 did finish up there then that is where they will rest."

    Well, it's buried forever but at-least the story has a conclusion

    Cheers, MP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticpuma View Post
    Hi Boo. I read your post and found it quite fascinating.....so I asked if anyone knew anymore about this 109.....here's the reply

    "Hi,
    I have pursued some leads via Local Radio, and local history groups, there certainly was 109 displayed in Oldham during the War and it seems that a German aircraft ( probably a 109) did in fact end up in a scrapyard in Shaw -
    near Oldham - at the end of the War. A listener to local radio phoned in to recall a friend of his stealing an instrument of some sort from the aircraft while it rotted in the scrapyard sometime in 1945/46. No other information, however is forthcoming.
    The landfill noted in the original topic was very extensive and ran for almost a mile from Rochdale Road following a deep valley, with a stream at its bottom, behind the football stadium right down to the site of the roundabout mentioned on Broadway .
    The land fill took place in the early 1960's and is now the site of many houses, playing fields and a major roads junction. If indeed the remnants of the 109 did finish up there then that is where they will rest."

    Well, it's buried forever but at-least the story has a conclusion

    Cheers, MP
    Yeah i saw the thread - wow some people are ever so serious.....

    Looks like the old coot's tail may have some merit after all then!!

    The Shaw scrap yard is interesting as it could tie up with a place called Higginshaw Lane which has always had a large scrap yard (the only one in shaw now but but im sure that there were others back in the day) and is also where he may have had workshops he rented off a family friend who owned the land but im not sure if the dates tie in.. So it could have been remembered as being in the yard when it was close by I suppose. One of my big "hmmmms" about the story was why it went to landfill and not scrap though. That's kinda been intensified with the notion that it was only a short drag to the yard if not actually already in it!. That said im not sure how much demand there was for the metal used in aircraft back then or if it was all about engines, copper wire and ball bearings which would seem to have already been stripped.

    One thing i do doubt is that he was spinning a yarn. He wasnt that sort (humourless and dour i would say). He may have got a few things wrong as he wasnt into aircraft (for instance it could have been a tiger moth for all he knew) but he always seemed pretty sincere about it and always insisted it was a "Messermit". My uncle also related the story of a 109 being dumped in the landfill independently so i think there is some credence if very little clearwater!!

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    Re: 'The Battle Of Britain' 1969 Film Newspaper Cuttings...

    Bloody hell lewis! these are awesome! what a find!

    Not only was the film incredible but the story behind the making of that film is almost as interesting as the battle its self!

    a few years back 2 (or 3 can't quite recal) of the 109s used in the film were found in a barn, in decent condition aswell!

    "The Battle of Britain" was one of the best films ever made IMO, and what an accomplishment it was too... says a lot when in 2016 we still have nothing that holds a candle to it, an incredible piece of work!

    great find lewis thx for sharing

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    Re: 'The Battle Of Britain' 1969 Film Newspaper Cuttings...

    Aaahhh, Lewis......this brings back a real flash of childhood magic!

    I was 12 when 'The Battle of Britain' film came out. In between building endless Airfix models of Spits, Hurri's and Mosquito's (...a favourite of mine after Dad took me to see 633 Squadron! Noooooooo...how could they burn those beautiful aircraft!!!!) my mates and I would discuss the forth coming film endlessly! We couldn't wait for it to come out....it was like they had read our minds and made it just for us!

    I was living at RAF Coltishall, in Norfolk, at the time. I had read Richey's 'Reach for the Sky' and was fully aware of the Bader/ 242 Squadron story.......as any real boy of the time, worth his salt would. Coltishall was home to E.E Lightnings that regularly intercepted Russian Bears out in the North Sea. Dad worked as an Air Traffic Controller in the Coltishall Tower and would come home full of stories of Russian gunners waving at our lads from rear turrets as they reluctantly departed our airspace. I thought it all brilliant and exciting and would endlessly cycle (as Laserlight did too) up to the crash gates at the head of the runway to watch the Lightnings taxiing and taking off. The pilots would often wave at us as we were only feet away. We felt 'dead cool' or what ever the 1971 equivalent of 'cool' was! Whatever we felt, I know, as kids, we were seriously proud of our 'boys in blue!'

    Coltishall was home to three Spitfires and one Hurricane and on Sundays, when the Lightnings weren't flying, I would cycle with my mates up to the airfield and we would lie in the long grass and wave at the Spit and Hurri pilots, who always had their canopies back for taxiing. I loved it! Those aircraft became the basis of the BBMF very soon afterwards.

    One day, having arrived back from school I was making/burning toast in the kitchen when I heard aero engines overhead. I was always alert for engine noises in those days but these were not Lightnings...or Hunters! I rushed outside and looked skywards. Right over our house, flying at about 1500 feet were three gigantic (it seemed to me) camouflaged, propeller aircraft, in a tight vic. As any young, embryonic Atag pilot would, I instantly recognised their threatening shape. 'My God...they're Heinkels! They're bl**dy Heinkels!' I whooped and screamed....'Mum! Mum! Look...look! There's three Heinkels going over OUR house! Mum seemed strangely unimpressed:

    'I saw enough of those things during the war,' she said grimly, taking another drag on a reassuring fag! (I hated those things!)

    It was true. As a Gibraltarian, Mum had been evacuated from Gibraltar at the beginning of the war...along with virtually the whole population and had lived in Fulham, London. Unlike Dad, who had been evacuated to Haslemere in Surrey, her family, being foreigners, did not believe in letting children out of their sight and so Mum had remained in London during the Blitz.

    (Both Mum and Dad had amazing stories to tell of their experiences during the war and we would often get them to 'open up' during Sunday lunches....but that's another thread!)

    As soon as Dad came home I plied him with questions about the aircraft. What were they doing coming into Coltishall? Were they still here....would they come back?

    Dad said that he was Duty Officer in the Tower when a phone call had come through. The aircraft had been filming over the North Sea and were getting low on fuel. The film schedule for the day would be scuppered if they returned to their own base and so could they request an unscheduled visit to Coltishall to refuel? A quick phone call followed, to clear this unusual request and a deal was done! Dad was able to contact the aircraft directly by radio and direct them into the Coltishall circuit...three Heinkel 111's and a B25 Mitchell camera ship.....wisely telling the RAF Lightnings in the vicinity to keep a respectable distance.

    And so it was that Operation Sealion finally succeeded in landing German aircraft in England......albeit 35 years too late!

    There were many exciting days at Coltishall in the 70's and this was one of the best. It certainly made my day! Salute!

    P.s My mates and I loved the film when it eventually came out. Still do! It fueled another 'frenzy' of airfix building that went on for months afterwards! Most of those models are still in Dad's loft!

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    Re: 'The Battle Of Britain' 1969 Film Newspaper Cuttings...

    This is a great thread.



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    The Mitchell has a staring roll in the film...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lewis View Post
    The Mitchell has a staring roll in the film...


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    On the right Boo... The right side vertical stab (?) of the b-25, and you can even see one of the 40,000 light bulbs attached to the a/c. You know, to get the lighting just right for the shots...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lewis View Post
    A couple of newspaper cuttings from 1969 of 'The Battle Of Britain' film....My dad must have cut these for me when I was 4 years old...

    Just watched the film on netflix.

    very vaugely rembemer watching it with my dad. in black and white.



    Wow !!

    really lovely visuals.


    I note that Robert Stamford Tuck fellows response after seeing the film (accoring to the article):

    "it was fine"

    Personally I thought it was a shade better than that


    I though "it was damn fine".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Freya View Post
    On the right Boo... The right side vertical stab (?) of the b-25, and you can even see one of the 40,000 light bulbs attached to the a/c. You know, to get the lighting just right for the shots...

    Thats a shot taken from the dorsal gun position of one of the CASA2.111s. The light bulb is the DF loop shroud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boosterdog View Post

    Thats a shot taken from the dorsal gun position of one of the CASA2.111s. The light bulb is the DF loop shroud.
    Yep, that's what I always thought.

    That section of the film; if you're a brit of a certain age.....it always makes the hairs stand out on the back of the neck.

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    Is that a twin engine in that pack of fighters then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Freya View Post
    Is that a twin engine in that pack of fighters then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Freya View Post

    Is that a twin engine in that pack of fighters then?
    Er....eh? I don't think so but see for yourself


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    Quote Originally Posted by Highseas View Post
    I note that Robert Stamford Tuck fellows response after seeing the film (accoring to the article):

    "it was fine"

    Personally I thought it was a shade better than that


    I though "it was damn fine".
    i had the very fortunate opportunity to talk with a battle of britain hurri pilot (a great story ill try post one day)... on being introduced to him, his wife said "this young man (it was while ago, i was in my 20s ) would like to talk with you, he's very interested in battle of britain" the old chap stooped in his wheel chair replied without hesitation or pause "It wasnt like the film kid..... we never had that bloody music!!" i just burst out laughing.... that was a day not much work got done LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthursmedley View Post
    Yep, that's what I always thought.

    That section of the film; if you're a brit of a certain age.....it always makes the hairs stand out on the back of the neck.
    If a doctor asked me to raise the hairs on the back of my neck i could choose a few scenes from that film.... incredible! where the spits break low in formation always gets me going... after all these years it still does something to me, ive actually shed tears over some of the shots.. LOL incredible piece of work

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    Hurricane PZ865 as MI-G H3424 for the filming of the "Battle of Britain" movie. The Picture is signed be Geoffrey Page (No 56 Sqn) and C.N.S Campbeel (No 73 Sqn)

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    One of my favourite films. At Duxford (2008) there was some info about the movie as some of it was filmed there. Apparently more damage was done to Duxford during the filming of the movie than occurred in real life during the BOB and perhaps the war.

    My only downer re the film is the incorrect marks of Spit, Hurri etc which i used to notice. Says more about me than the film i guess. Apparently someone mentioned this to several veterans when the film came out but their response was that they were so emotionally transfixed by the movie's representation of the airbattles that they hadnt even noticed. So when i watch the film now i think of the human story and dont count rivets like i did as a spotty nosed teenager way back when.

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    I just realised that isn't the Mitchell is it?...My father always told me it was and I never really thought about it...but its clearly the rear of a He111...My father told me the story of the footage taken from the rear of the Mitchell that was left in the film...I need to try and find that now...
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    You need to see 'Dark Blue World' if you haven't seen it....Its a must for BOB enthusiasts...

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    Another story from the making of the film. A bit flimsy facts-wise but it always tickled me.

    I was reading an interview with a more modern RAF pilot, ie just too young for WW2, but can't remember who it was. Anyway, he said that while the film was in production he was asked if he had every flown a spitfire as they needed pilots for them. Without hesitating he lied through his teeth and answered 'Of course.' He then had to hurridly phone round a few of the other spit pilots to get some quick pointers then fly it cold a week later without ever having sat in it before Being a very good and experienced pilot it all worked out OK.

    An awesome film and still good today despite its age. I daresay they could do it all again today just using CGI and it would look just as real. It has been a while since Peter Jackson announced he was re-making The Dambusters. I suppose it has been put on a back burner as so often happens with films but I recall seeing two full size Lancaster replicas in his studio storage way back when he was making Lord Of The Rings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Lewis View Post
    I just realised that isn't the Mitchell is it?...My father always told me it was and I never really thought about it...but its clearly the rear of a He111...My father told me the story of the footage taken from the rear of the Mitchell that was left in the film...I need to try and find that now...
    If its there you'll notice it....that Mitchell was VERY uniquely painted!!
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    'The Battle of Britain' was a financial flop...and that put paid to any more Big WW2 aviation movies for a while...especially the Brits who made some great War movies during the 50s and 60s...

    Today seeing how good it was and relatively unbias its a shame it didn't make more money...That would have made a difference to how many airwar movies we would see from the 70s and such....Shame really

    With it being about a historical time it can be less dated and that helps it today...I have seen it many times...It's in my top 10 films..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roblex View Post
    Another story from the making of the film. A bit flimsy facts-wise but it always tickled me.

    I was reading an interview with a more modern RAF pilot, ie just too young for WW2, but can't remember who it was. Anyway, he said that while the film was in production he was asked if he had every flown a spitfire as they needed pilots for them. Without hesitating he lied through his teeth and answered 'Of course.' He then had to hurridly phone round a few of the other spit pilots to get some quick pointers then fly it cold a week later without ever having sat in it before Being a very good and experienced pilot it all worked out OK.

    An awesome film and still good today despite its age. I daresay they could do it all again today just using CGI and it would look just as real. It has been a while since Peter Jackson announced he was re-making The Dambusters. I suppose it has been put on a back burner as so often happens with films but I recall seeing two full size Lancaster replicas in his studio storage way back when he was making Lord Of The Rings.

    Its precisely because its NOT CGI'd that the Air to Air scenes are so enthralling. No travelling behind a bullet to its target, no Brucknobber-esque zoom views through the skin of the a/c, down the intakes and into the engine sumps but instead a REAL spitfire doing a 1 oclock highbeam filmed from the cockpit of a 111 and missing it by feet!!

    BTW Lew it would have lost £500,000 more had the Spanish asked for proper payment for all those aircraft. Instead they asked for a donation to an Orphanage supported by the air force. The film makers reportedly paid £1400!!

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