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    Question for the English and Europeans here

    Just read an article about an unexploded WW2 bomb buried at a building site in England. Do the governments over there regulate building sites and builders and force them to check for this sort of thing somehow before building/digging? If so what do they do/use.

    Just curious. Some sites in the US are checked for archeological and historical. stuff but only if it is a known area to have uncovered things before. I figure you guys do.... wouldn't want the excavator to hit unexploded ordnance. Bombs aren't an issue here so I got curious after reading about it.

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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    Don't know about them, but down here is done like this:

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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    Quote Originally Posted by 69th_Spiritus_Mortem View Post
    Just read an article about an unexploded WW2 bomb buried at a building site in England. Do the governments over there regulate building sites and builders and force them to check for this sort of thing somehow before building/digging? If so what do they do/use.

    Just curious. Some sites in the US are checked for archeological and historical. stuff but only if it is a known area to have uncovered things before. I figure you guys do.... wouldn't want the excavator to hit unexploded ordnance. Bombs aren't an issue here so I got curious after reading about it.
    I believe they very occasionally encounter bombs and shells at Civil War locations in the States.... mostly in Virginia around Petersburg where the big seige was and/or on the East coast where the Confederate forts were under attack by US warships with big guns.

    In Europe it is a fairly regular occurrence both in England (London/Coventry/etc.) and in many German cities which were targets of the Allied bombing campaign.

    They also dig up shells regularly in Flanders along the lines of the Trenches in WWI.

    It's amazing how much money was spent on ordnance and how many were fired off/dropped during both wars.

    Human beings have a willingness, (encouraged by Politicians) to spend endless amounts of money on killing each other or threatening to kill each other... the money spend on wars in Vietnam/Iraq could have solved most of the education/healthcare/poverty issues in the US several times over. Could have balanced the budget while building new infrastructure which would make the US rustbelt look like downtown Shanghai. Same goes for the money spent by the Russians on their war in Afghanistan and their armament programs during the Cold War... Communism with all its huge flaws could have been a success with all the money the Politburo would have had available. The Human race could have colonies on the Moon and Mars easily with the money spent by the US/Russia/China on Ballistic missiles.

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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    Finding unexploded bombs is very common in major German cities still today.
    Page one of this site
    http://www.express.de/thema/koeln/bombenfunde-in-koeln
    lists newspaper reports from 25 bomb finds in Cologne from 2014 until today.
    Usually they are found during excavation work and professionals are called in to neutralise them. Just some weeks ago several thousand people had to be evacuated for some time, can't remember where.

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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    Quote Originally Posted by 69th_Spiritus_Mortem View Post
    Just read an article about an unexploded WW2 bomb buried at a building site in England. Do the governments over there regulate building sites and builders and force them to check for this sort of thing somehow before building/digging? If so what do they do/use.

    Just curious. Some sites in the US are checked for archeological and historical. stuff but only if it is a known area to have uncovered things before. I figure you guys do.... wouldn't want the excavator to hit unexploded ordnance. Bombs aren't an issue here so I got curious after reading about it.
    Construction in London pretty much always requires a UXO survey, also at strategic points along the southeast coast

    In Germany its pretty much routine in any city since they basically got carpet bombed

    I posted some stuff on this a while back. Search UXO. And ask away !

    EDIT

    the stuff on Canadian pipe mines alone is incredible...

    they put them under runways... gelignite... but gelignite breaks down if it gets wet... into... harmless stuff and ... Nitro-glycerine...

    so you have nitro-glycerine and gelignite in a pipe... under a runway... bad combination.

    The Canadian air force was supposed to remove them al (from multiple airfields) before they left...

    the achieved about 70% decommissioning apparently before they left

    Shoreham had those still in place until 1981 !! and the MOD knew they were there... under a waterlogged GRASS runway !!! I may have mentioned the nitro-glycerine... YIKES !!

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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    Thanks for the replys, very interesting.


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    Someone told me that if they ever find human remains on a build they sometimes don't even report them as they know it brings the building work to an absolute halt and no one can go to work again for a while...There's pressure to meet dead lines so they try not to bring attention to something that they know will down tools...

    I never did find out if that was true or not...Snopes cant tell you everything!
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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    One of the first jobs I was involved in.



    Got a call

    "erm... we found an arm. looks human. Police are here. we had to stop works"


    an hour later

    "erm... they have two arms and a leg. The site is vacated and now a crime sceme"


    next day

    "three arms and two legs. No torsos yet"


    this carried on until there were a pile of arms and legs and no heads etc...

    Deacon of the diesis was brought in to de.. I dunno... de spookiefy it ?!


    Day after that it was revealed by the local district council historian that it was an old "hospital"... surgeon cuts off limb... bury in grounds... hence no heads or torsos...

    fascinating !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post
    Day after that it was revealed by the local district council historian that it was an old "hospital"... surgeon cuts off limb... bury in grounds... hence no heads or torsos...
    So they say.....Hmmmm
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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    Quote Originally Posted by 69th_Spiritus_Mortem View Post
    Just read an article about an unexploded WW2 bomb buried at a building site in England. Do the governments over there regulate building sites and builders and force them to check for this sort of thing somehow before building/digging? If so what do they do/use.

    Just curious. Some sites in the US are checked for archeological and historical. stuff but only if it is a known area to have uncovered things before. I figure you guys do.... wouldn't want the excavator to hit unexploded ordnance. Bombs aren't an issue here so I got curious after reading about it.
    This was a planed detonation of a wwII bomb in Munich and a komplete failure...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwjmf5wwLL0
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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    What happened?

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    Re: Question for the English and Europeans here

    it couldn't be safely defused due to the state of the chemi time delay detonator so it was packed with explosive and damped with straw bales and sandbags. Some of the straw, sparks and debris set nearby building fires that were quickly brought under control by the fire services causing only relatively minor damage.

    The detonation was as controlled as could be. No one was injured.


    Not sure what checks are made in the UK (Highseas will) but I know that there are good many building erected in the 60s and 70s that NEED a bomb under them.
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