So uh, North Africa?

[DetCord]

I've been a member here for a very short amount of time, very short. Though I have delivered some minuscule content, I absolutely love what ATAG has done with this game/sim, I mean I think its stunningly brilliant. A lot of work went into it, a whole lot, lots beneath the surface most of us will never realize. That said, is anyone really interested in North Africa? I mean it seems like a passing infatuation of a rarely explored gaming aspect and an attempt to push it out just because.

For anyone that's done any sort of research of the North African Theatre of War, dog-fights and AtA was rare, very rare in fact. No doubt that large scale aerial battles took place during said time-frame, but they were bi/tri-monthly at best, if that according to RAF and Luftwaffe records. Choosing the North African Theater is like choosing a niche within a niche within a niche with regards to the combat flight-sim community. I mean I'm a WWII aviation nut, and I couldn't give two shits about North Africa. You guys have really pigeonholed yourselves, honestly.

I can only hope that this a beginning that will eventually lead to some sort of broader-scope. Ya know, like bombing the Reich, something everyone wants.

[BlackTop]

So when it comes out don't buy it!

Yes some people are interested in the North Africa campaign and not everybody is a 'furball' AtA freak.

There is diversity and something for everybody in a Western Desert scenario but what you seem to have forgotten is that most of the TF 5.0 aircraft will be available for use on the normal CloD maps. This give the opportunity for the 'Rodeo' and 'Circus' operations of 1941/1942. This should allow plenty of dogfighting as one of the main reasons for these ops was to draw the Luftwaffe up into a fight and destroy it.

Using your own vocabulary "not everyone could give two shits" about bombing the Reich! Lol

[Mysticpuma]

DetCord......it's so much more than just the new theatre

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

I've been a member here for a very short amount of time, very short. Though I have delivered some minuscule content, I absolutely love what ATAG has done with this game/sim, I mean I think its stunningly brilliant. A lot of work went into it, a whole lot, lots beneath the surface most of us will never realize. That said, is anyone really interested in North Africa? I mean it seems like a passing infatuation of a rarely explored gaming aspect and an attempt to push it out just because.

For anyone that's done any sort of research of the North African Theatre of War, dog-fights and AtA was rare, very rare in fact. No doubt that large scale aerial battles took place during said time-frame, but they were bi/tri-monthly at best, if that according to RAF and Luftwaffe records. Choosing the North African Theater is like choosing a niche within a niche within a niche with regards to the combat flight-sim community. I mean I'm a WWII aviation nut, and I couldn't give two shits about North Africa. You guys have really pigeonholed yourselves, honestly.

I can only hope that this a beginning that will eventually lead to some sort of broader-scope. Ya know, like bombing the Reich, something everyone wants.

For someone who is supposedly '... a WWII aviation nut...', you need to educate yourself a little more.

Air to air combat and the use of air assets in North Africa was an almost daily occurence.

Many of the tactics which were developed and used in N Africa were later adopted for use in the Italian campaign and the D-Day campaign.

The Luftwaffe Ace who got more kills versus the Western Allies than any other German pilot, Hans Joachim Marseille, got the overwhelming majority of his kills in N Africa.

I don't know what kind of research you've done, but if you take a look at Christopher Shores books on the N African and Mediterranean campaigns, you will find lots of information.

The Germans lost more aircraft in the Mediterranean in 1941-1942 than they did on the Channel front. And that doesn't include the Italian losses.

Whether you can '...give two shits about North Africa...' or not... we do.

[9./JG52_Meyer]

Plus we get a good suntan and 9./JG52 will be organising a camel derby , each unit restricted to 2 camels only

Hals und beinbruch

[ATAG_((dB))]

Plus we get a good suntan and 9./JG52 will be organising a camel derby , each unit restricted to 2 camels only

Hals und beinbruch

[farley]

"....No doubt that large scale aerial battles took place during said time-frame, but they were bi/tri-monthly at best..."

Well then, whenever you fly, just believe that it is one of those days and enjoy DetCord.

I think that most of us are really going to enjoy NA when it comes out, and my bet is that you will too.
New planes to explore, etc, etc.......

And as I have said before, great company here at ATAG, in the forums and online.

It's not where you fly, it's how you fly and who you fly with.....

Added bonus, as Myers pointed out, the camel derby should be lots of fun.....

I'm thinking that maybe you just aren't a beach person?

[TURK_Enlem]

, each unit restricted to 2 camels only

You mean wingcamel?

[1lokos]

For anyone that's done any sort of research of the North African Theatre of War, dog-fights and AtA was rare, very rare in fact. .

The location or "history background" is not problem, in flight games people do "dogfights" in any place, even inside forests.

Anyway "dogfights" are not common in any place in WWII, but instead "bounces", like JG-27 used to do in North Africa, well, DAF Hurri and P-40's try - without much success - "dogfight" that "bounces".

BTW - In other IL-2 forum are people complaining with don't go to North Africa instead Pacific.

[DerDa]

And what ever happened to the planned Alaska update???

Am I the only one to care about polar bears?

[FightingSteel1]

BTW - In other IL-2 forum are people complaining with don't go to North Africa instead Pacific.

Tell me about it...you can't make everyone happy that's for sure. I know before the TF announcement, the BOS forum was discussing (hoping?) constantly that series would get out of the Eastern Front in the future and do something like the Mediterranean.

To the OP, maybe your mind is set, but if you really researched operations over the desert I think you would find it more interesting than you give it credit for. I know I'll be having a lot of fun with it!

[Dazza]

I can only hope that this a beginning that will eventually lead to some sort of broader-scope. Ya know, like bombing the Reich, something everyone wants.

Bomber / escort runs over Germany from bases in the UK. Played out in real time ? When it comes to attention span I seriously doubt 'everyone' wants that.

N. Africa will be a much welcome change from Europe.

I'm hoping for future coverage of Malta which in it's historic scope should include a range of aircraft in air defence, Mediterranean convoys and aircraft carriers.

[ATAG_Pattle]

The RAF's top fighter ace of the war got all his kills in Nth Africa and Greece.

50+ in just 9 months of combat. That's a lot of contact.

And from a marketing point of view, to be successful, one must have a unique selling point. Do something no one else is, at the same time maintaining and greatly updating the core component - channel battles.

Otherwise you run the risk of getting lost in the clutter.

Bring it on I say!

Pattle

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

And by the way, as has already been mentioned several times:

The existing Channel map will work with all the new aircraft, ships and vehicles in TF 5.0.

[TWC_Mackers]

I myself would love to see Malta based maps/missions.

Operation Pedestal and the SS Ohio come to mind

I really doubt aircraft carriers would be a thing in Clod, but I can dream. If that dream came true, then Pacific Fighters could be reborn too.

Then again, a Minensuchboot would probably sink every convoy anyway. hehe.

I'm happy with what ever happens in the future, worst case, there is clod as it is now.

With the new content, i'm hoping the fantasy (what if) missions are removed from rotation. I'm kinda sad and can only get into missions that atleast looks like it happened - ish.

Wow, I can't help but day dream.

[SIA_Sp00k]

The RAF's top fighter ace of the war got all his kills in Nth Africa and Greece.

50+ in just 9 months of combat. That's a lot of contact.

And from a marketing point of view, to be successful, one must have a unique selling point. Do something no one else is, at the same time maintaining and greatly updating the core component - channel battles.

Otherwise you run the risk of getting lost in the clutter.

Bring it on I say!

Pattle

Curious as that's a big number? How many of those if any were on the ground Pat?

[RAF74_Buzzsaw]

Curious as that's a big number? How many of those if any were on the ground Pat?

None of these kills were against ground aircraft... but not all of them could be officially confirmed as many kills happened during the invasion of Greece by the Germans, when the RAF was changing fields rapidly and records were lost as the pilots and ground crew scrambled to avoid being over-run by Panzers. A minimum of 40+ were officially confirmed... which still makes him the leading RAF/Commonwealth Ace. His Squadron mates believe the totals were much higher.... and the Squadron unofficial records put him at 51+.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Pattle

Of course, like every single WWII pilot, some claims might not have been accurate... due to multiple pilots engaging the same aircraft, or mistaken sightings.

[SIA_Sp00k]

Thanks Buzz. I recall reading Pats post the other day now re his namesake.

Cheers.

[ATAG_Pattle]

From reading Pattle's autobiography, the guy was a freak shot.

He ended up the highest scoring Gladiator pilot at 15 and Hurricane at I think 35 if the 50+ is accurate.

Would have been fairly useful over the English coast in the summer of 1940 for sure.

[Iron Raider]

It is highly probable that Marmaduke Thomas St John Pattle was the highest scoring Western Allied pilot of the war. He was shot down during the "Battle for Athens" on 20 April 1941, aged 26, flying against orders as he was suffering from fever. He was last seen covering a fellow pilot over Piraeus Harbour. I'm proud to say he was a fellow South African as was Group Captain Adolph "Sailor" Malan. All South African's who served in both wars were to a man volunteers. ...We will remember them...