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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Looking forward to the centerline 15MM slug chucker. You thought I was mean getting engines with wing mount 20s, All I can say is OLDCROW and MOOSE your engines won't be safe once I can have me 15mm Slug from the nose. Punching holes in engine blocks and fuel tanks followed by Phosphorus (mg rounds) is a mean combination. I'm just worried about the De.520 hispanos. They were a wicked cracker to chew.

    But I don't need it rushed fellas. Team Fusion can take all the time they need to create what we should have had from the beginning. A complete game, and with the code, I believe they can muster it.

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    A Bf-109 F-4/Trop? Take my money
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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by Tibsun View Post
    Couldn't find evidence for the F-4 Kanonenboot, probably special version with heavy guns...
    The F-4s with additional wing gondolas were specially produced machines designated F-4/R1 in service. In order to allow the aircraft to carry them the wings had to be strengthened which was a standardized feature later on the G model. As such this was not a "slap on & go" modification like the R6 Rüstsatz commonly associated with the Gustav. Also as Buzzsaw already stated elsewhere the 15mm gondolas were pretty much exclusively used on the eastern front.

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Excellent news! So much new planes to play with! Geeeeeeze, where to find once all the time to dig out all the qualities of the different types and variants??? Think about stop working


    Thanks to TFS and all our enthusiasm. Carry on!

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by 69th_Spiritus_Mortem View Post
    Here is the list of flyable aircraft for TF 5.0... please note these are goals... not guarantees.

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    German

    Bf108 Taifun Advanced Trainer

    Bf109E-7 (DB601Aa)
    Bf109E-7N (DB601N)
    Bf109E-7NZ (DB601N with GM-1 Nitrous Oxide injection)
    (and Tropical versions)

    Me109F-1 with MG/FFM (DB601N)
    Me109F-2 with MG151/15mm (DB601N)
    Me109F-2 with MG151/20mm (DB601N)
    Me109F-2 with MG151/20mm Tropical (DB601N)
    Me109F-4 (DB601E 1.30ata)
    Me109F-4 (DB601E 1.30ata) Tropical
    Me109F-4 (DB601E 1.42ata)
    Me109F-4 (DB601E 1.42ata) Tropical
    Me109F-4/R1 Flugelgondelbewaffnung mit MG 151/20 (DB601E 1.42ata, underwing 20mm gunpods)
    Me109F-4/R1 Flugelgondelbewaffnung mit MG 151/20 Tropical (DB601E 1.42ata, underwing 20mm gunpods)
    (no we will not have the version with 15mm gunpods... only used on Russian Front)

    Ju-88A-4
    Ju-88A-5

    Ju-88C-2 (possibly)

    Heinkel He-111H-6 Torpedo bomber (possibly)


    Italian

    Fiat CR-42
    Fiat CR-42 Fighter-Bomber

    Macchi C-202 Series III
    Macchi C-202 Series VIII

    French

    Dewoitine D.520 (Hispano 12Y45 engine)
    Dewoitine D.520 (Hispano 12Y49 high altitude)

    British

    Gladiator II (with Tropical filter)

    Spitfire IIB (IIA with two 20mm cannon, four .303)
    Spitfire VA (eight .303 +12 boost)
    Spitfire VB (+12 boost)
    Spitfire VB (+16 boost)
    Spitfire VB (Merlin 46 High Altitude)
    Spitfire VB Tropical (+16 boost)
    Spitfire VB Tropical (Merlin 46 High Altitude)


    Hurricane IIA (eight .303)
    Hurricane IIB (twelve .303)
    Hurricane IIB Fighter-Bomber
    Hurricane IIC (four 20mm)
    Hurricane IIC Light Fighter (two 2Omm)
    Hurricane IID Tankbuster (possibly)
    (plus Tropical versions of all)

    Beaufighter Mk IF (with Hercules XI)
    Beaufighter Mk IC (with Hercules XI, bombs)
    (and versions with Tropical filters)

    Wellington IA
    Wellington IC (with waist gun positions)
    (and versions with Tropical filters)

    Blenheim IV/IF with Tropical filters

    American

    P-40C (Tomahawk IIB)
    P-40E (Kittyhawk IA)
    (Will be early and late versions of both these aircraft... different boost levels.)

    Martlet IIIB (F4f-3 with export engine)
    Any hint as to when & please not "two weeks...."

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    It's 4.5 that will be there in two weeks.
    5.0 will need a bit longer.

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Any hint as to when & please not "two weeks...."
    TF has a policy of not promising dates or deadlines for delivery of our releases.

    We are working as hard as we can to finish our work and will let the community know when it is done.

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    TF has a policy of not promising dates or deadlines for delivery of our releases.

    We are working as hard as we can to finish our work and will let the community know when it is done.
    Remember that the P40E did not have a manifold pressure regulator installed until sometime into late 1942/1943, therefore manifold pressure was regulated by pilot who used prop pitch and throttle to dictate boost. This was also true for all earlier P-40 variants.

    Also note that full throttle height was around 11,000' ASL for 44" MAP, no ram.

    This makes it different than just about any aircraft in the sim as there is no artificial hard upper limit to the boost. In other aircraft this limit was given by an automatic throttle actuator which interposed between the throttle lever and the carburetor, limiting maximum throttle movement to achieve up to the maximum boost level, regardless of further increases in throttle settings.

    Rather, the upper limit was a matter of what the supercharger could deliver at a given engine RPM, throttle setting, and altitude - and what boost levels the engine could physically take without overt damage (which was given to the pilot by handbook, but which the pilot could at any time decide to disregard, as there was no mechanical limit to the boost beyond as noted above).


    [edit]Attaching a file, which I'm quite sure you already have, showing power output for V-1710-39. Note that the maximum power (boost) possible at a given RPM and altitude is delineated by the upper dashed line, and is linear (can be extrapolated). This graph is largely similar for all Allison V-1710 engine variants used in the P40 C,D,E regardless of dash number - the only difference being the durability of the engine increased, the later the variant. This is what allowed the higher rated power (boost) levels from the V-1710-33 to -39 variants.

    Sorry to belabor this point, but it is an important one.

    F3R_power_chart.JPG
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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    I am aware of the information you have mentioned and have the particular chart... as well as others. In regards to the pilot controlling supercharger pressure... this was only the case in the earlier models with the 8.8 supercharger geared ratio... later models with the 9.6 gear ratio did not have the pilot option... a limit was set by the mechanic.

    We will be basing our allowable maximums for the 8.8 geared types on what the general usage in the field was... pilots were given limits and generally adhered to them... as more experience was gained with the Allison using 100 octane, higher limits were set. So we will have early and later types.

    My last comment on this subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by aus View Post
    Remember that the P40E did not have a manifold pressure regulator installed until sometime into late 1942/1943, therefore manifold pressure was regulated by pilot who used prop pitch and throttle to dictate boost. This was also true for all earlier P-40 variants.

    Also note that full throttle height was around 11,000' ASL for 44" MAP, no ram.

    This makes it different than just about any aircraft in the sim as there is no artificial hard upper limit to the boost. In other aircraft this limit was given by an automatic throttle actuator which interposed between the throttle lever and the carburetor, limiting maximum throttle movement to achieve up to the maximum boost level, regardless of further increases in throttle settings.

    Rather, the upper limit was a matter of what the supercharger could deliver at a given engine RPM, throttle setting, and altitude - and what boost levels the engine could physically take without overt damage (which was given to the pilot by handbook, but which the pilot could at any time decide to disregard, as there was no mechanical limit to the boost beyond as noted above).


    [edit]Attaching a file, which I'm quite sure you already have, showing power output for V-1710-39. Note that the maximum power (boost) possible at a given RPM and altitude is delineated by the upper dashed line, and is linear (can be extrapolated). This graph is largely similar for all Allison V-1710 engine variants used in the P40 C,D,E regardless of dash number - the only difference being the durability of the engine increased, the later the variant. This is what allowed the higher rated power (boost) levels from the V-1710-33 to -39 variants.

    Sorry to belabor this point, but it is an important one.

    F3R_power_chart.JPG

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    I am aware of the information you have mentioned and have the particular chart... as well as others. In regards to the pilot controlling supercharger pressure... this was only the case in the earlier models with the 8.8 supercharger geared ratio... later models with the 9.6 gear ratio did not have the pilot option... a limit was set by the mechanic.

    We will be basing our allowable maximums for the 8.8 geared types on what the general usage in the field was... pilots were given limits and generally adhered to them... as more experience was gained with the Allison using 100 octane, higher limits were set. So we will have early and later types.

    My last comment on this subject.
    very clear and lets us know what to expect, thank you Buzzsaw
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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    May i ask if you will enable us to change the 20mm winggondolas in the armament tab in the mission builder to 15 mm? I mean the ballistics will have to be in it anyways thanks to the F2
    Would be interesting for 15mm damage testing hehe and slightly alternate history

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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperus View Post
    May i ask if you will enable us to change the 20mm winggondolas in the armament tab in the mission builder to 15 mm? I mean the ballistics will have to be in it anyways thanks to the F2
    Would be interesting for 15mm damage testing hehe and slightly alternate history
    Why should it be added though? The 15mm gondolas were only used on the Russian front so it's not really appropriate for the CloD settings. If you want to test the 15mm damage model why not just fly the F2 and fire only the cannon?

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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Really interesting replies here.

    Is there any thought of doing the Blenheim with the 20mm Hispano field mod in the bombardier position?

    Also the ventral/periscope turret?

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    That collective GASP you heard was the 69th squadron....
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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Flare View Post
    Why should it be added though? The 15mm gondolas were only used on the Russian front so it's not really appropriate for the CloD settings. If you want to test the 15mm damage model why not just fly the F2 and fire only the cannon?

    For What-if scenarios, I mean, why not make it like the Su trolling aircraft, you can change weapons on it, I thought like doing it like that, basicly just applying the 15mm ballistics as a "weapon switch" for the gondolas in the Mission maker

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    I don't mean to offend by putting this into the soup, that would be the last thing I would want to do. Since we're going to be flying in ATAG where the correct aeroplanes are selected for the time and place they are situated in, why stress about this?

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    Re: Update 6/16/2017: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlerkies View Post
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    No RC, just strings attached to a handle that would control the elevators.

    Used to fly that thing for hours in the back garden getting dizzy going round in circles.
    Something along these lines, man memories haha, skip to 4 mins 10 or so.
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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Sorry if I missed something, still pretty new to this ATAG version. I am showing 4.53 version when I play. Is there a release date for 5.0 ?

    I do understand the release have to slide at time due to tons of things, just looking for a rough idea.

    Thanks in advance!

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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    Hi Rat Meat,

    TFS has a very wise policy of not announcing release dates.
    Especially if the work is done by such a small group of volunteers, there is always the chance that something weird can happen in the very last moment and will cause delay.

    If something is wrong after release some guys will raise sh*tstorm (usually the same people that were moaning loudest for a quicker release). This can cause bad ratings on steam and consequently a drop in sales, which in turm might jeopardise the whole project.

    Now, believe it or not, but there are some people who, allegedly do not play CloD (because its soooo bad), but still want it to fail so nobody else can enjoy it.
    Yes, there's lots of weirdos around.

    All this said, there are some hidden remarks of TFS leaders in different forums that gave me the idea that they plan a release of 5.0 still within this year. But even if that's TFS' plan in the end the release date will be set not by them but by 1C, the company that owns the game an nobody can predict what their ideas and intentions are.

    In the flight sim community there is an ancient running gag answer to your question: 'Two weeks, be sure' which might mean anything from tomorrow to sometime in the next decade

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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    I don't see it happening this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug97 View Post
    I don't see it happening this year.

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    Re: TF 5.0 flyable A/C

    This is probably an odd question, but is there much possibility of the Spitfire Mk VI being added later on in development? From what I can tell, it's minimally different from the Mk Vb other than the wingtips and windscreen, most of the changes being in performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lythronax View Post
    This is probably an odd question, but is there much possibility of the Spitfire Mk VI being added later on in development? From what I can tell, it's minimally different from the Mk Vb other than the wingtips and windscreen, most of the changes being in performance.
    Actually there were quite a few changes... the Spit VI had a pressurized cabin, many versions had extended wingtips, reduced armament, etc.

    All of those require subtle changes in the 3D modeling... to the point many areas have to be completely redone.

    As far as gameplay is concerned, at lower altitudes it was outperformed by the Spit V's.

    It was also mostly used for Photo-Recon purposes... which really isn't something a lot of players would be interested in.

    For all the above, it doesn't really fit in with our plans... we can build a Mk IX with less time and effort.

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    "we can build a Mk IX with less time and effort."

    Don't tease me like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooch View Post
    "we can build a Mk IX with less time and effort."

    Don't tease me like that!
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