Official TFS skin update for TF4.5, July 31 2017. Spitfire, Hurricane, Wellington

[major_setback]

Here are some of the new default skins that we hope to include in TF4.5

Today's update: Spitfire, Hurricane, Wellington.


Shown are some skins with specific codes. These will also be included in TF4.5. These same camouflage colours that can be seen in the screenshots will also be used on the new default skins (note that the Hurricane default skin will have a sky underside, not light-blue/black. There is a screenshot of this below).

Hurricane I DT-H 257 sqn Cotishall 1940.
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Default Hurricane:
Setbacks Hurri DTH d007 (greenBrown from SpitHand Version3 a53)s05.jpgSetbacks Hurri DTH d007 (greenBrown from SpitHand Version3 a53)s03.jpgSetbacks Hurri DTH d007 (greenBrown from SpitHand Version3 a53)s01.jpgSetbacks Hurri DTH d007 (greenBrown from SpitHand Version3 a53)s11.jpg
Setbacks Hurri DTH d007 (greenBrown from SpitHand Version3 a53)s12.jpg


Spitfire: AH-Z

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Hurricane KWZ:
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Hurricane (Joker emblem) Code DX-? Serial nr W9200:
Setbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s01 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s02 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s04 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s15 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s16 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s17 z.jpg
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Setbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s09 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s09 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s11 z.jpgSetbacks TF4.5 Hurri Joker W9200 c01s12 z.jpg
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Spitfire, Grey/Green photo recon aircraft (camera non functional, just painted on the skin). There will also be a version without the camera ports and without codes:

Setback's TF4.5 Grey-Green armed recon Spit a03lens,yellow,skyS09 z.jpgSetback's TF4.5 Grey-Green armed recon Spit a03lens,yellow,skyS10 z.jpgSetback's TF4.5 Grey-Green armed recon Spit a03lens,yellow,skyS14 z.jpgSetback's TF4.5 Grey-Green armed recon Spit a03lens,yellow,skyS16 z.jpgSetback's TF4.5 Grey-Green armed recon Spit a03lens,yellow,skyS24 z.jpg



Wellingtons (2 styles of camouflage, straight sided black demarcation with low placement on fuselage, and wavy demarcation higher up).

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Straight sided camouflage demarcation line (low demarcation placement):

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Team Fusion Simulations

[RedToo]

Great skins.

Nice to see J.W.C. Simpson's Hurricane! (DX-?)



The story of J.W.C. Simpson's BoB experience (published during the war) is a good read:

[BOO]

Lovely Work MS.

[ATAG_Vampire]

Splendid set of skins MS.

Thanks for sharing and cannot wait to fly these.

o7

[Blitzen]

I can hardly wait for the big day toget here esp. with these new skins! I am curious will there be a few new German &/or Italian oes as well?

[DerDa]

I'm just about to finish a 1:48 Hurri with my markings.
Seems I will have to make a few others as well ...

[Woop]

Great stuff sir!

Will there still be a grime/dirt/weathering slider for us who like it down and dirty?

[ATAG_Flare]

Nice skins Major Setback!

One thing I noticed though, on the Hurricane KWZ, on one side it says K-WZ and on the other it says KW-Z.

I have another question:

Did the RAF have a standard way of putting the letters on? I've seen a few different layouts in these skins. Most pictures I've seen from WWII show the two squadron letter codes forward of the roundel, and the single ID letter behind. So, if the code was AB-C, it would read AB-C on the left side and C-AB on the right side. CloD does this by default if you put your own markings on, I believe. In your screenshots, Spitfire AZ-H has the squadron code behind the ID letter. Hurricane DT-H reads the same way on both sides, with the ID code behind on the left and in front on the right. Hurricane DX-? has the squadron code behind the roundel on both sides, reading ?-DX on the left and DX-? on the right. Was the RAF really just putting the letters on in so many different ways?

[Woop]

Did the RAF have a standard way of putting the letters on? I've seen a few different layouts in these skins. Most pictures I've seen from WWII show the two squadron letter codes forward of the roundel, and the single ID letter behind. So, if the code was AB-C, it would read AB-C on the left side and C-AB on the right side. CloD does this by default if you put your own markings on, I believe. In your screenshots, Spitfire AZ-H has the squadron code behind the ID letter. Hurricane DT-H reads the same way on both sides, with the ID code behind on the left and in front on the right. Hurricane DX-? has the squadron code behind the roundel on both sides, reading ?-DX on the left and DX-? on the right. Was the RAF really just putting the letters on in so many different ways?

I've been searching about for a concrete answer to this for ages, would be great if someone could shed some light on the issue.

For instance:


This is on an early DH so I imagine there were quite a few different phases No.615 went through...




EDIT: It seems setback's skin is a MkIIA flown by Eric Carter Z5208 out of Northolt Oct 1940

[ATAG_Laser]

Great skins there Major

I was pleased to see the Coltishall based Hurricane skin as I was brought up near this famous ( now closed) former RAF base, and as you can see I use the station badge as my avatar.

Just a shame that the map doesn't extend far enough North for the base to feature in game

[RedToo]

Did the RAF have a standard way of putting the letters on? I've seen a few different layouts in these skins. Most pictures I've seen from WWII show the two squadron letter codes forward of the roundel, and the single ID letter behind. So, if the code was AB-C, it would read AB-C on the left side and C-AB on the right side. CloD does this by default if you put your own markings on, I believe. In your screenshots, Spitfire AZ-H has the squadron code behind the ID letter. Hurricane DT-H reads the same way on both sides, with the ID code behind on the left and in front on the right. Hurricane DX-? has the squadron code behind the roundel on both sides, reading ?-DX on the left and DX-? on the right. Was the RAF really just putting the letters on in so many different ways?

You have piqued my interest with this! From this thread here:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/i...n-serials-ww2/

It seems that there may have been a 'proper' way of painting the serials, but as often with the RAF what happened at squadron level was very laissez-faire!

Edit. This page:

http://www.rafweb.org/Squadrons/Sqn%...Sqn_codes3.htm

seems to give a rational explanation for the different ways of applying the serials.

[Woop]

You have piqued my interest with this! From this thread here:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/i...n-serials-ww2/

It seems that there may have been a 'proper' way of painting the serials, but as often with the RAF what happened at squadron level was very laissez-faire!

Edit. This page:

http://www.rafweb.org/Squadrons/Sqn%...Sqn_codes3.htm

seems to give a rational explanation for the different ways of applying the serials.

These are a great help, thanks for posting sir!

[major_setback]

Great stuff sir!

Will there still be a grime/dirt/weathering slider for us who like it down and dirty?

There shouldn't be any change to the weathering slider.

[major_setback]

I can hardly wait for the big day toget here esp. with these new skins! I am curious will there be a few new German &/or Italian oes as well?

The switch in focus to TF4.5 only came about recently, around the time that TFS gained access to the source code. Prior to this the main priority of TFS (including skinning) was the forthcoming TF5/desert release. There has been limited time to work on skins for TF4.5 (those with temperate camouflage etc.), and due to this fact there will unfortunately be a limited number of aircraft that receive new skins and new default skins. The allied skins were those in most need of replacement (the Beaufighter at present does not have a default day camouflage scheme), and therefore it is those that have received most attention. However there may be one new Luftwaffe/German skin included in TF4.5.
Please understand that it has been a very rushed process just to produce the skins shown in the recent TF4.5 skin updates.

Cheers, major_setback (TFS)

[ATAG_Scones]

Awesome skins, Major_Setback!

I eagerly await the update.

Will the recon. aircraft have any guns?

[rel4y]

Doesnt look very rushed to me. Very nice quality major_setback, keep up the good work!

What Id really love to see for 5.0 is some 4K eyecandy skins for the twin engines at least.

[Cybermat47]

Will there be versions without any markings, so that we can use them with the in-game markings?

[Kling]

The skins are perfect SM!

[major_setback]

Will there be versions without any markings, so that we can use them with the in-game markings?

Thanks everyone for the comments.

Hopefully there will be new default skins for the Spitfire, Hurricane, Wellington, Beaufighter (daytime), and Blenheim (all versions). These will naturally have no markings.
The other main aim is to include all the update skins without any markings or code, for use with in-game national markings and codes.

Space permitting, TF4.5 will also include all of these skins, both with and without my own national markings. Those with my own national markings can be used by players who simply want to add their own codes or logos, and they are intended to be used with in-game markings turned off. In-game national markings are a bit too colourful at the moment, and some people will prefer to turn them off and use their own skins (or adapt the ones provided).

Looking into the future: There are no plans to update the in-game national markings before after TF5, as skinning the desert aircraft for TF5 takes priority, and there is still work that needs doing for that release. For the same reason it is probably unlikely that all of the European default skins will be updated for TF5, though some of them will no doubt be replaced.

Note: someone on another forum pointed out that the code on the port side of the KWZ Hurricane was incorrect, so I will edit the codes on that skin.

Cheers,
major_setback (TFS)

[Mysticpuma]

Hi MS.
Love the skins.
I hope that if there are new default skins (unmarked) that someone in the team is able to work out how to get noseart working correctly and also (crosses fingers) that default markings can be disabled in replays when using custom skins?
You have some great custom skins there but if the default markings still display in replays it'll be a huge shame

Cheers, MP

[major_setback]

Awesome skins, Major_Setback!

I eagerly await the update.

Will the recon. aircraft have any guns?

It will have guns in-game. The recon camera ports are non-functional in-game.

It is an armed low-level recon Spitfire Mk.I (PR.Mk.IG modified from the Mk.I), code ZW-C, from 140 sqn RAF Benson, Oxfordshire, during October/September 1941.

Quote:
'Spitfire P.R. Mk I Type G
The P.R. Type G was intended for low altitude reconnaissance and was the only version of these Mk. I conversions to retain its guns (eight .303 inch Brownings), intended for self-defence but which, no doubt, could also be used in an offensive way. In slightly later terms they would have been categorised as Tactical Reconnaissance aircraft rather than Photo Reconnaissance and would probably have had the F.R. designation like reconnaissance conversions of later Spitfires and Seafires. An extra 29-gallon (132-litre) fuel tank was fitted behind the cockpit; three cameras were fitted, two pointing down from the fuselage underside and one fitted in the radio bay on the left side behind the cockpit pointing backwards and downwards for oblique photography'.
From: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazin..._spitfires.htm


Cheers, major_setback

[BOO]

Note: someone on another forum pointed out that the code on the port side of the KWZ Hurricane was incorrect, so I will edit the codes on that skin.

Cheers,
major_setback (TFS)

Everyone's a critic

[Woop]

Hi MS.
Love the skins.
I hope that if there are new default skins (unmarked) that someone in the team is able to work out how to get noseart working correctly and also (crosses fingers) that default markings can be disabled in replays when using custom skins?
You have some great custom skins there but if the default markings still display in replays it'll be a huge shame

Cheers, MP

Well said. Getting the noseart to work correctly would be amazing!

[BOO]

I think Lokos/sokol found the bug for this...

And someone else too

[ATAG_Scones]

It will have guns in-game. The recon camera ports are non-functional in-game.

It is an armed low-level recon Spitfire Mk.I (PR.Mk.IG modified from the Mk.I), code ZW-C, from 140 sqn RAF Benson, Oxfordshire, during October/September 1941.

Quote:
'Spitfire P.R. Mk I Type G
The P.R. Type G was intended for low altitude reconnaissance and was the only version of these Mk. I conversions to retain its guns (eight .303 inch Brownings), intended for self-defence but which, no doubt, could also be used in an offensive way. In slightly later terms they would have been categorised as Tactical Reconnaissance aircraft rather than Photo Reconnaissance and would probably have had the F.R. designation like reconnaissance conversions of later Spitfires and Seafires. An extra 29-gallon (132-litre) fuel tank was fitted behind the cockpit; three cameras were fitted, two pointing down from the fuselage underside and one fitted in the radio bay on the left side behind the cockpit pointing backwards and downwards for oblique photography'.
From: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazin..._spitfires.htm


Cheers, major_setback

Thanks MS,

This is very informative. I had no idea that there were tactical as well as photo reconnaissance aircraft. Would the type of missions these were sent on have been of a different nature?

Regards,

'Sconesy

[Kai Lae]

Everyone's a critic

Better correct the first time than needing to be fixed.

[major_setback]

Everyone's a critic

Better correct the first time than needing to be fixed.

Are you a founder member of the BoS forum?

[BOO]

Better correct the first time than needing to be fixed.

Hello Kai - my comment wasn't intended to have a dig at someone pointing out a problem - Sorry if I caused you any offence.

[major_setback]

Hello Kai - my comment wasn't intended to have a dig at someone pointing out a problem - Sorry if I caused you any offence.

No Boo. You don't need to apologise to anybody. I think it's quite obvious his comment was directed to me.

[BOO]

I do notice a certain willingness from some to be sharp (and sometimes very unfair) in their criticism elsewhere. But the names are familiar enough and their comments boringly predictable no matter how clever they try to be in masking their barbs. I hadn't put Kai into this category though and it really was just a throw away quote............ but I'm ignorant to any recent sim world history that may lie beneath.

Enjoy your break!