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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Hi Buzz,
    I used the limits from your 1F wiki checklist and added a little info from the original RAF 1C/1F manual (which was together), namely the emergency hydraulic (modified) and single-engine procedures.

    My engine/boost settings are from experimenting in-game and not at all from the wiki or the original manual, if that makes sense. It's been butchered a bit, against maintenance orders, for my own enjoyment.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Thanks for this Zeb.

    I've only flown the Beau a few times, but i will try her again, and this will come in handy.
    Looks great too!
    Very nicely done
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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Just to post here that there doesn't seem to be a clickable button to turn the directional gyro (ie to set it after setting compass) so you need to have that bound (unless somebody has now found it).
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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Great checklist, MB!

    During the beta testing for TFS 4.5 I decided I would learn to operate & fly the Beaufighter as a personal project. It’s been rewarding and a ton of fun. Out of curiosity, I printed off the Pilots Notes for the Beaufighter 1F and was immensely gratified to find that, by and large, everything in the “owner’s manual” was in the sim as far as the effective operation was concerned. Clod is not a study sim, so not every detail is covered (yet) such as nav lights, landing lights, oxygen, etc etc....but: CANNON! FOUR OF ‘EM!!!! Oh, and SPEED !!!!

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Is fuel transfer only needed when operating on one engine? Zeb, your "quick and dirty" start up/takeoff doesn't say exactly there each engine is started?

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Quote Originally Posted by =FI=Murph View Post
    Is fuel transfer only needed when operating on one engine? Zeb, your "quick and dirty" start up/takeoff doesn't say exactly there each engine is started?
    Murph this is what the AP1721A - Pilots Notes for Beaufighter Mks 1C & 1F states with regard to the Fuel suction Balance Cock.

    "Failure of one engine in flight

    (i)......

    (ii).....

    (iii) When investigating the cause of the failure try the dead engine on its own alternative tank. If this does not succeed, try setting balance cock on with all tanks on failed side off; if the live engine then shows signs of lack of fuel, turn off balance cock immediately.
    The balance cock should only be left on if this proves to be the only means of getting the dead engine to run."

    Of course this is for normal engine failure.

    The check list before take off states "F-Fuel........Check contents of tanks and cock settings to 'INNER TANK ON balance cock OFF"

    The TFS Wiki for the Beaufighter Mk 1F echoes this but does not mention the balance cock.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Quote Originally Posted by =FI=Murph View Post
    Is fuel transfer only needed when operating on one engine? Zeb, your "quick and dirty" start up/takeoff doesn't say exactly there each engine is started?
    On number one, Vampire nailed it. I use the mention of Fuel #3 to trigger my mind to troubleshoot. Are any of my tanks punctured? Will there be a fuel inbalance if I don't? Will I make it home if I leave the leaking side draining the other? etc.

    On second question regarding the start, I just made sure I select both when done:
    Engine Port: Select and Start (#1 or Left Hand)
    Engine Starboard: Select and Start, Select All (#2 or Right Hand engine, then select all)

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    Yes, I think the best time I've had, other than blowing crap up with canons, was flying it per the 1c/1f's pilot's notes, then Buzz's to see how they modeled it (which couldn't have gone better, everything felt real). Split temps man. So cool.
    Baffin and Buzz had a good discussion on the beginner's guide post about the philosophies of checklists/training.

    The 1c/1f is more of a subsystems manual than a checklist. Buzz's is the way to fly it right. Mine is just a group of items that trigger the things I want from pushing it or the brain candy I like to think about. Some of it too, like oil pressure rise on start, is good habit for me in the real world.

    My former boss was a class 5p pilot during the war, which allowed him to fly everything in the Army Air Corps. He re-wrote a bunch of flight manuals for the Army, as some of the stuff engineering came up with, didn't necessarily match with the real world. In the desert air force book I read, pilots were running high boost with low RPMs (baaaad) to crank out more range during ferry flights. One guy wrote about going down because of it. Anyways, my boss always studied the aircraft meticulously, made his own checklists (with typewriter ha), sometimes emphasizing certain things more (gear down and welded, fuel), but more often leaving stuff out. They would have made crappy checklists for me. ha ...because they were personalized per se.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    [QUOTE=TWC_Sp00k;300147]My Start up sequence.



    11. Wait 10 seconds. (Exactly 10 seconds, not a second less, not a second more)

    I feel bad that this made since to me however... thank you Sp00k I ended up unticking the ' spawn parked' box and all was well. I wanted to start in hanger and learned a lot playing with the FMB. I think I'm gonna enjoy this ride

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    I am learning this new mod..I can start in hanger with box ticked parked. I just didn't know how to start this mod is much more realistic in that dept..my bad thanks for help.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Not sure what box marked parked is mate, but if your talking about starting the Beaufighter, remember to start one engine at a time. Once one is running,, then you can start the other one. Both must be warmed up before you start to roll

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Once I have left engtrning over with throttle at 12% I start the right eng. Once the oil temp both mills tick up a bit towards 20 degrees temp, I know I'm good to throttle up and begin taxi. Sp00k I am referring to a mission I built in FMB. With a waypoint activated I then go to View-Object Browsing and in 'Group Properties" towards bottom of drop down is 'Spawn Parked'. Now I am in a hanger ready for a cold start and taxi to runway. That's what I meant.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Ahh no worries,. I probably cant help you then. I lick windows when people start talking about the FMB Good luck with it, hopefully help will follow soon.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Actually you were a big help and so was Lucky)(awk whilst flying on a server with him. 'Throttles at 12%' he says,, and voila it woiked. Actually it all me. I did not know how much more realistic the engine starts and warmups are in the new V4.50.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    The Beau's carburettor heat would mainly be used on landing approach when you haven't got much power on. It's to counteract the tendency of the carb to ice up due to the latent heat of evaporation of petrol combined with the manifold pressure or something. Don't blame me for not being able to explain it properly, I fell asleep in both physics lessons and ground school

    Without it the carb can sort of generate it's own ice, maybe enough to make the engine lose power, possibly making you go splat. When it is on the engine will run a little rougher and make a little less power because engines like cold air best.
    When I was flying ancient and crappy Cessna's part of our go around checklist was to make sure we'd deselected the previously applied carb heat, just to make sure we were getting every last tiny horse that the anaemic Lycoming was trying to give us. Maybe you would also use it in icing conditions ? I don't know, they wouldn't let me anywhere near a cloud, let alone one with ice in it - but it was always on for approach and landing.

    Maybe carb icing is modelled in the sim ? or maybe it's there just to complete a checklist item in the Beau ?


    But back to the Beau itself - is there a way to hide the yoke ? even with head tracking it can be a bit awkward to look around it to get a view of all the bells and whistles on the dashboard...

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    No way to hide the yoke, but if you enable the mouse (Controls/Keys Tab/Camera Category(drop down)/Toggle Independent Mode) you can roll it over the gauges for a readout. I agree though, would be nice to lean forward a touch more to see engine oil temps over the yoke.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    A couple of questions:
    Can you set a separate binding for cannons and machine guns or do they always fire together?
    When shutting down engines turning fuel cocks off has no effect.....turning magnetos off works
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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    they both fire the same time, don't know what the real one did
    and yes turning off the fuel has no effect, don't know why ?????


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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Quote Originally Posted by TWC_Birdtail View Post
    A couple of questions:
    When shutting down engines turning fuel cocks off has no effect.....turning magnetos off works
    You need to turn the 3rd fuel cock too if I recall.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Thanks for the info guys...........I'm going out in minutes to see if I can turn some German bombers into wingless projectiles. Will also try the 3rd transfer fuel cock procedure.
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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    It is historicall correct that all cannons and guns fire all together.

    On the left side of a cockpit, pretty far back is a green push, button. This will stop the engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerDa View Post
    It is historicall correct that all cannons and guns fire all together.

    On the left side of a cockpit, pretty far back is a green push, button. This will stop the engines.
    Why the hell is it green?

    Everyone knows that means go.

    Stupid brits......

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post

    Still.... in our defence at least we drive on the right side of the road.
    Unlike some other countries who drive on the right.
    Not according to the new DCS Channel map

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post
    Why the hell is it green?

    Everyone knows that means go.
    Because it turns on, the turning off-mode.
    Perfectly logical!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerDa View Post
    Because it turns on, the turning off-mode.
    Perfectly logical!
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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    I am possibly going to regret this, but...

    Bristol aircraft being made by Bristol it would surely mean that a green control would be for the starboard 'whatever' - in this case the carb cut-out. There should therefore be a similar red control for the port carb cut-out or am I wrong?

    Bristol were quite particular with their port/starboard cockpit control colourings and 'handedness' of controls, i.e. left control for left engine, right control for right engine type thing and port/starboard colouring for those that weren't sure !?!

    Also, I think IRL it was a pull type switch and not a push - it makes no difference to a clickable cockpit... but historically... just thinking out loud!

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I am possibly going to regret this, but...

    Bristol aircraft being made by Bristol it would surely mean that a green control would be for the starboard 'whatever' - in this case the carb cut-out. There should therefore be a similar red control for the port carb cut-out or am I wrong?

    Bristol were quite particular with their port/starboard cockpit control colourings and 'handedness' of controls, i.e. left control for left engine, right control for right engine type thing and port/starboard colouring for those that weren't sure !?!

    Also, I think IRL it was a pull type switch and not a push - it makes no difference to a clickable cockpit... but historically... just thinking out loud!

    I will now crawl back under my stone for a bit, cheers guys.

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    I have no idea myself......

    but:

    The logic doesn't sound overly illogically unlogical.

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I am possibly going to regret this, but...

    Bristol aircraft being made by Bristol it would surely mean that a green control would be for the starboard 'whatever' - in this case the carb cut-out. There should therefore be a similar red control for the port carb cut-out or am I wrong?

    Bristol were quite particular with their port/starboard cockpit control colourings and 'handedness' of controls, i.e. left control for left engine, right control for right engine type thing and port/starboard colouring for those that weren't sure !?!

    Also, I think IRL it was a pull type switch and not a push - it makes no difference to a clickable cockpit... but historically... just thinking out loud!

    I will now crawl back under my stone for a bit, cheers guys.

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    You are right, I left this out. There is a right and a left button, one green, one red. They stop left and right engines, which all have the same colour. So if you left the right engine on you still can shut it down with the green button to the right, right?

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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Ok, the fuel cock 3 transfer works...must be off to shut fuel cock 1 and 2 off. Looked but could not find the green or red carb cut out switches....could be old guy eyes.
    Another question.....ground handling/taxing in the Beau, Blennie and JU88 with one engine is impossible. In the 88 you can kind of creep along with tailwheel locked, full rudder, various prop pitch settings and dancing on the brakes...... but the British twin engines just go around in circles no matter what you try. Is this a bug or just the way it was?
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    Re: Bristol Beaufighter controls

    Historically Red/Port/Left button stops the Left engine and Green/Starboard/Right button shuts down the Right engine. I am assuming the game Beaufighter, since it is a TFS cockpit, is historically accurate.

    From AP1721A Beaufighter MkIC and IF.JPG

    The above is from Pilots Notes AP1721A Beaufighter Mk IC and IF and below a nice picture from the internet.

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