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    FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Hi all. I am sorry if this is a tired question by now, but I have to ask as a newbie……

    Any thoughts why my FPS is only about 12-15, with occasional stuttering, when neither my CPU or GPU seem to be operating anywhere near capacity (percentage wise). I know that my PC spec is not great for gaming (it wasn’t bought for gaming 2 years ago), but I don’t seem to be utilizing the CPU or GPU capacities and must be able to get more out of them in order to increase performance/smoothing or graphics.

    What does seem odd is that it doesn’t seem to make a lot of difference to FPS or stuttering when I run on high, medium or low (in game video settings). So no real benefit of low video settings.

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    AMD A10-7800 APU with Radeon R7 Dual Graphics (this is a CPU and 2 GPUs on the same die)
    12 cores (4 cpu and 8 gpu)
    CPU 8GB RAM, DDR3 with 3.5GHz clock speed

    Dual GPU (Radeon R7 Graphics + Radeon R7 M260). Graphics RAM 2GB (not great, I know)

    1TB HDD hard drive

    Thanks for any help/advice offered
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    CPU Frequency?

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Hi I am playing CLOD Blitz

    I think the CPU is 3.5GHz

    Thanks

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    So maybe the problem could be the low CPU frequency...CoD Blitz I think needs at least a 4.2 GHz to run with no stutters...
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    In addition take in mind that TFS is actually working to have, in the next patch, better FPS performances so maybe the situation will improve soon.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by Werner " Blauer Teufel " Mölders View Post
    So maybe the problem could be the low CPU frequency...CoD Blitz I think needs at least a 4.2 GHz to run with no stutters...
    Nooo... way lower!

    4.2 ghz is crazy fast CPU wise

    I was running at an i5-4670 at 3.4Ghz until recently and that was fine CPU wise
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    CPU frequency means almost nothing anymore. My i5 Skylake is a 2.7ghz. Runs the game just fine.

    Basically, that AMD combo CPU/GPU just isn't really capable of running this game, without drastically reducing settings. It doesn't really matter how much the game is utilizing anything when your hardware just doesn't meet the minimum specs needed for this sim. What really kills running the game on that hardware is the integrated graphics. A separate graphics card is a must for this.

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    As FightingSteel says, that AMD integrated graphics is not going to run CloD any better than what u are experiencing.
    If there is a slot for a Graphics card in the motherboard u would do far better if u installed a dedicated card like an nVidia GTX970 or better.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Thanks for all your help. As the pc is an all in one touchscreen pc, there are few expansion options and I am not spending in the high £100's for a new pc just to play one game. It is a shame but I will probably have to go back to the dreaded War Thunder (which ran fine I should add) and avoid all those arsehole point-and-fly/shoot mouse "pilots" (Not!). I am beginning to wish that I hadn't wasted my time and money tbh but I will check that I haven't got a hard drive bottleneck issue before I give up. This is often showing at 100% with CPU/GPU usage low. Not sure how to fix it though, if a problem. Thanks again for input. Mark

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by mcbailey1 View Post
    Thanks for all your help. As the pc is an all in one touchscreen pc, there are few expansion options and I am not spending in the high £100's for a new pc just to play one game. It is a shame but I will probably have to go back to the dreaded War Thunder (which ran fine I should add) and avoid all those arsehole point-and-fly/shoot mouse "pilots" (Not!). I am beginning to wish that I hadn't wasted my time and money tbh but I will check that I haven't got a hard drive bottleneck issue before I give up. This is often showing at 100% with CPU/GPU usage low. Not sure how to fix it though, if a problem. Thanks again for input. Mark
    if your HD is indeed running at 100% it can cause stuttering.Recently afriend of mine had also problems with his pc caused by onedrive constantly trying to sync a corrupt file.
    If your system can run Clod you can test on this site:
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    It is maybe not 100% but it could show you what could maybe be the bottleneck
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Thanks Stormrider. I have double checked and the Hard Disk is running at a very low % now. I am playing Quick Mission on custom high/medium video settings and am still getting low FPS and stuttering. Using the new Task Manager with Windows 10, it shows me CPU at 20% (speed), Memory (RAM) utilisation at 50-60% (4.5/8GB) and Hard Disk at virtually zero.
    I have an AMD Integrated CPU/GPU with Dual GPU (Radeon R7 Graphics). I hear what everyone is saying about these, but Task Manager shows GPU0 as 100% utilised and GPU1 is always at zero, with shared GPU only 1.0/4GB. I dont really understand these things but this looks to me like it isnt using the beefy switchable half of the dual GPU that has all the memory - so totally under-utilising it.

    Any more thoughts? I might see if AMD have any clues (if they even respond)

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    I think you need a dedicated GPU with at least 2G of on board memory to run this at basic settings.

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Small possibility that your dedicated GPU isn't being utilized properly by the game....for example I know someone that had a gaming laptop with a CPU/Nvidia GPU combo, but had some trouble with his system skipping using the Nvidia GPU and wanting to use the Intel HD graphics instead in some games. I'm not massively familiar with the CPU/GPU combos though, so not sure what you could do to check this out.

    What kind of all in one is this? Does it have any expansion slots?

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    Thanks Fighting Steel. I have put in a query to AMD in the vain hope I might get something useful back. The game definitely isn't using my Radeon M260 chip. Just the integrated part. Not sure if this is a hardware issue or the program? In the meantime I will look if there is room to expand but I don't think so.

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    Isn't there in the bios any setting to disable the onboard graphiccard?Often you can choose between disabled, enabled and automatic.Already checked all the energie saving settings?In the bios are probably settings for it and in Windows.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    All-in-one PC? Not sure, but me thinks there's a chance the non-integrated video card is connected to a Video out port - for use with an external (bigger - higher resolution) monitor/Tv/screen...

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    After some further checks, my dedicated graphics card is defo NOT being used for any applications. Apparently this is a known problem with these switchable graphics cards after Windows 10 upgrade/update. I have had one very helpful reply from AMD. It didnt work but I am hoping they will help more. I may need to uninstall and reinstall all the Radeon drivers and software, but we'll see what they come back with. If I get it fixed, I will post the solution, in case anyone else has same problem in future (although most people on CLOD seem to have far superior specs than me). Thanks to all. Appreciate everyones comments and advice.

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    Seems to be the bane of those integrated dedicated gpu's. Hope they come up with a fix. If so then hopefully u should get double the fps which should make CloD playable albeit at modest settings but playable nonetheless. Do post back and let us know.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Well chaps. It seems that until Microsoft and AMD get their act together and sort the long-standing Windows 10/Switchable Graphics issue out, I am wasting my time with CLOD and will go back it IL2 1946. Although its like flying through Minecraft, at least it is playable for me. Unless I win the lottery in the mean time and can afford a high spec gaming PC. Thanks for all your friendly advice. Tally ho and all that!

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Srry to hear that m8.
    What is the exact make and model number of ur PC ? Lenovo ? Dell ? Hp ?

    Edit: Have u seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLILLzE6DQ
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Torian View Post
    Srry to hear that m8.
    What is the exact make and model number of ur PC ? Lenovo ? Dell ? Hp ?

    Edit: Have u seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLILLzE6DQ
    Hi there. This is very helpful. The link you sent looks very interesting. My APU is the problem one he speaks about unfortunately AMD A10-7800 with Radeon R7. However, I will have a try. I have rolled my PC back to Windows 8.1 and it might work. The problem is mainly with Windows 10 I think. I will let you know how I get on.

    All is not lost, I can always play IL2 1946 and I have got Trackclip/Opentrack working on this (at a fraction of the TrackIR cost) so in a good mood at present. If can get IL2 CLOD working on Dual Graphics, I will be esctatics

    Really appreciate your help. Very kind

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Hi Torian

    I reinstalled the original graphics driver that my PC was shipped with (as recommended by AMD and Lenovo) and I can now get the switchable graphics working. However, it is still shite (very spikey) and my pc clearly doesnt have the cojones for CLOD. That is a shame, but I can still enjoy IL2 1946, until I can afford a higher spec gaming PC and maybe come back to CLOD

    I would like to thank all of those on ATAG who have been so patient and helpful with their advice. I will probably be joining the SAS1946 forum soon and if they are half as good as the ATAG lot I will be very happy

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    Well, glad u got the graphics switching working. I wasn't overly confident that it would make CloD playable but was worth finding out.
    Hope the finances come ur way to be able to get a reasonable gaming rig.
    Hope to see u back some time.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Torian View Post
    Well, glad u got the graphics switching working. I wasn't overly confident that it would make CloD playable but was worth finding out.
    Hope the finances come ur way to be able to get a reasonable gaming rig.
    Hope to see u back some time.

    Hi Torian. You were really helpful a while back and I am thinking of investing in a gaming PC now. Can I ask you a bit of advice on new PC specs? I can see that ATAG_Lewis posted the following minimum and recommended specs.....


    The current minimum recommended system (as suggested by Team Fusion Simulations) which will run the game fine at normal resolutions (upto 1920x1080) on a single monitor.

    Core I5 3.2 ghz
    NVidia GTX 960 2gb
    8 gb DDR3 RAM
    250 gb Solid State Hard Drive for game and system, backup 3tb SATA drive for storage

    An optimum system would use a Core I7 Quad core 4.0 Ghz, a GTX 980 6Gb (or higher such as the 1060 upwards), and 16Gb DDR3 RAM. CLOD cannot use more than 4 cores.

    Unfortunately due to issues with the AMD cards some experience land texture tiles being visible and other graphical anomalies, so for CloD Team Fusion recommend Nvidia cards.

    I am thinking of getting an Alienware Aurora with this spec:-

    CPU: Intel Core i7K 8700K (6-Core/12-Thread, 12MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.6GHz across all cores) - even though CLOD only uses 4 cores
    RAM 16GB,DDR4,2666MHz (expandable up to 64MB)
    GPU: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1070 with 8GB GDDR5
    Hard Drives: 256GB PCIe SSD (Boot) + 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)

    Would this hit all the requirements to get good quality and high fps?

    Appreciate your help

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    What resolution do you want to use?I use a resolution of 1600x1040 and have >60fps.I think you will be satisfied with that pc.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Hi Stormrider

    Thanks for your help. Screen res would be 1920 x 1080, so hopefully OK

    Cheers

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by mcbailey1 View Post
    Hi Stormrider

    Thanks for your help. Screen res would be 1920 x 1080, so hopefully OK

    Cheers

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    That lower resolution I use makes dots better and earlier visible for me.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormrider View Post
    That lower resolution I use makes dots better and earlier visible for me.
    Thanks - I will remember that. Thanks again for your help. Much appreciated

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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by mcbailey1 View Post
    Hi Torian. You were really helpful a while back and I am thinking of investing in a gaming PC now. Can I ask you a bit of advice on new PC specs? I can see that ATAG_Lewis posted the following minimum and recommended specs.....


    The current minimum recommended system (as suggested by Team Fusion Simulations) which will run the game fine at normal resolutions (upto 1920x1080) on a single monitor.

    Core I5 3.2 ghz
    NVidia GTX 960 2gb
    8 gb DDR3 RAM
    250 gb Solid State Hard Drive for game and system, backup 3tb SATA drive for storage

    An optimum system would use a Core I7 Quad core 4.0 Ghz, a GTX 980 6Gb (or higher such as the 1060 upwards), and 16Gb DDR3 RAM. CLOD cannot use more than 4 cores.

    Unfortunately due to issues with the AMD cards some experience land texture tiles being visible and other graphical anomalies, so for CloD Team Fusion recommend Nvidia cards.

    I am thinking of getting an Alienware Aurora with this spec:-

    CPU: Intel Core i7K 8700K (6-Core/12-Thread, 12MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.6GHz across all cores) - even though CLOD only uses 4 cores
    RAM 16GB,DDR4,2666MHz (expandable up to 64MB)
    GPU: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1070 with 8GB GDDR5
    Hard Drives: 256GB PCIe SSD (Boot) + 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)

    Would this hit all the requirements to get good quality and high fps?

    Appreciate your help

    Mark Bailey
    Hi Mark,
    If u are only using a standard PC monitor (eg a 27" 1920x1080p) then this rig will be more than enuff for CloD at the highest specs with excellent fps. U can even run DCS at highest specs with that. If u are wanting to use a high spec TV as a monitor at higher resolution and/or refresh rates (say120Hz as opposed to 60Hz) and/or multiple monitors then u will want a GTX 1080Ti graphics card. I use a GTX 1070 too and it's a good value for money card if u aren't going into high end TV monitors or higher refresh rates. U can always upgrade the graphics card later if needed. My only suggestion would be a 500GB SSD over the 256GB if it's not a huge price jump but 256 is great too.
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    Re: FPS/stuttering question from newbie

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Torian View Post
    Hi Mark,
    If u are only using a standard PC monitor (eg a 27" 1920x1080p) then this rig will be more than enuff for CloD at the highest specs with excellent fps. U can even run DCS at highest specs with that. If u are wanting to use a high spec TV as a monitor at higher resolution and/or refresh rates (say120Hz as opposed to 60Hz) and/or multiple monitors then u will want a GTX 1080Ti graphics card. I use a GTX 1070 too and it's a good value for money card if u aren't going into high end TV monitors or higher refresh rates. U can always upgrade the graphics card later if needed. My only suggestion would be a 500GB SSD over the 256GB if it's not a huge price jump but 256 is great too.
    Thanks Torian - really helpful

    Kind regards

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