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    A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    It's a couple of times that when I play on the Steamworks map ( I do not remember if this is the correct map's name, somehow I intend the one where the action is focused around the Isle of Wight ) that I observe a very strange ( and impossible to be done in my opinion ) maneuver performed by some of the Blenheim pilots....

    They seems to be able to make a perfect 90° dive from very high altitude and then regaining the control of the plane without any problem.

    Some nights ago I've made a trial attempting to follow one of them in the above mentioned maneuver starting the dive from about 4200 meters. Arrived at the max dive speed for the Bf 110, as per normal, I have had to break the maneuver to avoid to get damages to my plane while, instead, the Blenheim pilot continued the dive almost until close to the ground and then he regained from the dive without any problem dropping then its bombs.

    Does the Blenheim now have some kind of airbrakes like the Stuka or there is something wrong with it?


    Just curious...maybe it's a feature that I was not aware of about the Blenny...
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    She will break apart and/or lose parts in a dive like that. Anytime I do an extreme dive in a Blenny I'll cut throttles, cowl flaps 100%, flaps down, pitch 0, and then wiggle the rudder full L/R to add more drag. I still have to come out of the dive a little bit at least once during the dive.

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    Cool Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    Quote Originally Posted by Werner " Blauer Teufel " Mölders View Post
    It's a couple of times that when I play on the Steamworks map ( I do not remember if this is the correct map's name, somehow I intend the one where the action is focused around the Isle of Wight ) that I observe a very strange ( and impossible to be done in my opinion ) maneuver performed by some of the Blenheim pilots....

    They seems to be able to make a perfect 90° dive from very high altitude and then regaining the control of the plane without any problem.

    Some nights ago I've made a trial attempting to follow one of them in the above mentioned maneuver starting the dive from about 4200 meters. Arrived at the max dive speed for the Bf 110, as per normal, I have had to break the maneuver to avoid to get damages to my plane while, instead, the Blenheim pilot continued the dive almost until close to the ground and then he regained from the dive without any problem dropping then its bombs.

    Does the Blenheim now have some kind of airbrakes like the Stuka or there is something wrong with it?


    Just curious...maybe it's a feature that I was not aware of about the Blenny...
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    It could have been possible that toward the bottom of the dive it lagged out some to make the appearance of a steeper dive and pull out than it really was? With it being that map over the island. Could have been a high possibility.
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ribbs View Post
    It could have been possible that toward the bottom of the dive it lagged out some to make the appearance of a steeper dive and pull out than it really was? With it being that map over the island. Could have been a high possibility.
    Possible but somehow strange because I've saw it more than one time happening it and also other players seen exactly the same...sincerely I have no idea what could be the cause...if possible I'll try to record it next time that map will be up.
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    Quote Originally Posted by GERMANWOLF View Post
    lol arcade mode
    Yep Teabagwunderwaffen!
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    Quote Originally Posted by 69th_Spiritus_Mortem View Post
    She will break apart and/or lose parts in a dive like that. Anytime I do an extreme dive in a Blenny I'll cut throttles, cowl flaps 100%, flaps down, pitch 0, and then wiggle the rudder full L/R to add more drag. I still have to come out of the dive a little bit at least once during the dive.
    Yep exactly...that's why when I saw it happening my eyes gone out of their orbits
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    Quote Originally Posted by Werner " Blauer Teufel " Mölders View Post
    Yep exactly...that's why when I saw it happening my eyes gone out of their orbits
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    The Blenheim will break up at approx. 320 mph indicated... so a very low speed compared to any other type out there.

    What you were observing is either a lag anomaly or perhaps the pilot deployed full flaps and sideslipped.

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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    While not recommended in the Pilots Notes, a full slip will permit very steep dives in CLoD's Blenheim. I can't remember sustaining the vertical, but a spiraling, high G (for a Blenheim) dive with max cross controls will get 'er down pretty darn fast!
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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    Yeah, a 90 degree dive is fine initially, but eventually requires a lot of drag and maneuvering. If the dive entry is at low speed it's fairly simple to keep the speed down.

    One of the more rugged aircraft I work on will do a nose-down dive with fine pitch, flaps down, and not bust VNE. Adding some slight maneuvering would slow things down even further. Also, VNE is the point where structures begin to plastically deform past yield, not necessarily lose parts. I'm not really seeing the arcadyness of it or a problem with the flight model. I could see issues come up after you pulled it into the shop (if you survived).

    This is, by all means, the Isle of Pain. Airframes are subject to unusual acts of bravery and sacrifice.

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    Re: A very strange Blenheim maneuver

    There is nothing strange or broken about the FM here. We Blenny drivers can sustain very steep angle dives by throwing the prop to 0%(full coarse) and 0% throttle (both of these are so as to not over-rev the engine in the sustained dive, but 100% prop creates more drag and is allowable for a short time); 100% rads (engine cowl flaps fully open, acts like an air brake); max side-slip (max opposite rudder and aileron input = more drag). We'll nose up if speed is approaching the 320mph critical, but it's usually not hard to keep the speed well below that limit. Flaps for more drag can increase the dive angle even more, but personally I rarely use this.

    Are you max side-slipping in your attempt to pursue this dive? Are you opening your rads and even your flaps? Even if you are, one huge advantage RAF planes have is the ability to nearly instantly change from full fine to full coarse prop pitch. You'd likely still be holding your button to manually decrease prop pitch and watching your clock unwind when your governor blows in following this maneuver, while we've long since safely lowered our RPM's to avoid the same. If you're in auto prop pitch, you haven't got a prayer. This is historically accurate, so nothing broken in the game - just one of those advantages of the way British aircraft of the time were designed.

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